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Lastly, I also have experienced this cloudy urine. For a long time I have suspected that it is semen. Some places you read will tell you that it is phosphates and I think a way to test this is to add a potent acid to a beaker of the cloudy urine (like a strong vinegar or something) and it should go clear if it is phosphates. Like amijgoro I also have this "hair trigger penis". It makes riding the bus, cycling and some trousers very very uncomfortable - I hate it, it makes me feel very lightly POISy. So even when I haven't had an orgasm for a very long period of time, I still have this to contend with which gives me light POIS symptoms, so pure blissful mental clarity is something I don't often have I'm not sure if this is different from persistent sexual arousal disorder, I think it is because it is not that I have an erection all the time. Makes me suicidal sometimes! ^^ Nobody would understand though except for the people on this forum.
Quote from: Prancer on 07/08/2012 22:42:58So I wonder if anyone has ever tried an anti-androgen. They're sometimes used by people who have a hair loss problem or who have severe acne, but a side effect is lower sex drive. I came across a site where they were talking about reducing their drive because some of them are orgasm addicts.(http://www.eunuch.org/forums/showthread.php?1018-30-Days-of-Androcur). One of the interesting things I read was that it made one of the users clear minded and relaxed after taking it. It also significantly reduces semen volume. Many of the POISers here also have a very high libido, including me. I always wondered if a very high libido is a symptom of POIS, or if it is the other way around. I'm very casually thinking about trying something like this, but I wouldn't take such high doses that the users are taking over there, as I would want to lower my drive, not eliminate it. At the very least, it would reduce the amount of orgasms I have and allow me to abstain for way, way longer. This is just a question and not a recommendation to anyone. Also, there are a few side effects such as hot flashes lower muscle density.It is interesting that Demografx has been "cured" effectively by testosterone patches which would have the opposite effect of an anti-androgen.
So I wonder if anyone has ever tried an anti-androgen. They're sometimes used by people who have a hair loss problem or who have severe acne, but a side effect is lower sex drive. I came across a site where they were talking about reducing their drive because some of them are orgasm addicts.(http://www.eunuch.org/forums/showthread.php?1018-30-Days-of-Androcur). One of the interesting things I read was that it made one of the users clear minded and relaxed after taking it. It also significantly reduces semen volume. Many of the POISers here also have a very high libido, including me. I always wondered if a very high libido is a symptom of POIS, or if it is the other way around. I'm very casually thinking about trying something like this, but I wouldn't take such high doses that the users are taking over there, as I would want to lower my drive, not eliminate it. At the very least, it would reduce the amount of orgasms I have and allow me to abstain for way, way longer. This is just a question and not a recommendation to anyone. Also, there are a few side effects such as hot flashes lower muscle density.
Here's another back story. I was out in Coventry on the street and it got quite late. I was on the way back to the bus stop when two guys started giving me some trouble. A fight broke out and I fought them for a bit but being two against one they beat me down quite a bit until luckily some other people ran over and chased them off. I wasn't too bad, I had no blood or anything but I was quite dazed. The people called for an ambulance and when the paramedics arrived they looked at my pupils and kept asking me if I had "taken something". I repeatedly said no (not even alcohol) and they were very sceptical. So keywords aresympathetic nervous systemeye dilationfight-or-flightdopamine but here's the thing, dilated pupils from what I have read are caused by an EXCESS of dopamine. Isn't the general concensus that POIS is related to a lack of dopamine? Your thoughts please ^^
Acronym, only thing that I can think of is that I stopped smoking then, after being hevy smoker for 20 years or so(2-3 packs a day). I also got cardiac arhytmia after I kicked it and started using magnesium+b vitamin supplement. My mold/fungus/candida theory is based on my habit of having 4-5 beers (and sometimes even more) every night after work, that means a lot of yeast. That combined with antibiotics (whitch kill every useful microbe in your stomach, but yeast) is not a pleasent mix. I got white tongue and viscid saliva, developed lichen planus(spots on skin, bloody ulcers in my mouth-theyre worse when Im very worried and distressed) and nail fungus. So I kicked beer and other alcohol too, trying to get rid of them, stopped eating sugar etc. As I said I never had so severe POIS, as others here describe, or my other problems are equally annoying... Don`t know. Im a pack of problems . Didnīt mean to whine though. I had hairtrigger penis in my young puberties, but then again, who doesnīt. It kinda went away after 17 or so. Seems to me, that I developed POIS after kicking my bad habits
Not one doctor, of altogether 4, took seriously my candida theory, they all just talked about yeast infections of genitals. I took blood tests that turned out normal, including testosterone level (they didnīt test candida). I remember couple of times, that I had longer period (2-3weeks) without sex and Ive got itchy, reddish genitals, I blamed it to low hormone level and it wasnīt the same issue to me then. Anyway somehow I think all autoimmune disorders and allergies are related with mold/fungus toxines in our bodies. I took lamisil for three months 2 pills per day (twice the normal amount). At the same time I used terbinafinum ointment for my nails with a good outcome . But the fungus came slowly back after some time, so I blamed my working conditions and humidity. Basically I think, that candida/fungus gets stronger and immune to treatment, this explains the short term improvement with medications like nizoral and lamisil. At the moment I try all fresh vegetables diet, with two boiled eggs per day. The idea is cut off the starch/sugar as much as possible. Itīs my third day now and I expected some severe revenge, but so far I have only fatique, mild headache and mild insomnia, that can be just malnutrition. And Im not sure I got POIS before or after kicking my bad habits, maybe it was one of the reasons I came clean... Im pretty sure it was the same time period though. I can do this diet only because Im in my summer vacation now, I must eat normal to cope with my everyday job ,which starts again next week. Oh, and I belive that mild POIS is bodys normal responce to losing bodily fluids, hormones and minerals, you just donīt notice it before it gets acute and it gets acute only if your balance is way off because of other possible factors. Mine is not so mild, but bearable compaired to the others here. And having a vacation helps in many ways. I think that stress is the vital factor too, with Pois and allergies and autoimmune diseases. Itīs kinda like they work together- stress triggers them and they bring stress along with them, so itīs like an endless circle.
...Sorry to hear your gf broke up with you over pois. Its happened to me a few times, and I suspect more even if they try to make out its not because of that. I feel having pois also makes it hard to get a gf (in terms of having vitality & confidence) to begin with for some of us and that has definitly been the case for me + I am a skinny guy also and most girls are less friendly to begin with because of that. I initially dont tell a new woman I have pois, but after a while when she complains and wanting more sex I explain it. Because the relationships have not been long term to begin with, the last few lost interest in me after I told them. A number of guys here are married or have gfs. I wonder if most have found it a big negative when it came to gfs.
THEORY: ADRENALINEIn the last 4 months my wife and I have been trying to have children. At first this was a terrifying prospect for me as I get severe psychological problems with the O. So bad I would normally only have one once every month or two. Anyway before this stage in our life I was terrified to have sex but something interesting has happened. Every time I have the "O" I have used my knowledge of how it effects me in a positive way. For example I thought to lay low with my social interactions because normally POIS challenges my social confidence, make a greater effort in my work performance because normally I perform poorly experiencing the brain fog, know I'm not seeing things to clearly so not respond to critically etc. And I found that I some how coped with the POIS effects ok. Then trying for babies again and another "O" and I have to be on guard again! And this experience has been repeated over and over. When I had breaks and the fog cleared for a short while I noticed I had performed better at points when I had severe POIS? Generally life is not worth living and everything feels bad with POIS, so the question is why is there a change? After some thought I've come up with the idea of adrenaline. Ok here's the theory I get so mentally psyched up that I produce natural adrenaline out of a pure desire to exercise as much control over my POIS as possible. I guess its like when I kayak a hard rapid, first I prepare for it by studying the danger areas and mentally rehearse my decent down the rapid. Then I get on the water and it's clam and glassy before leading into the big water, I'm pumped and focused on what I have to do then finally I hit the big water and I'm trying to stick to the plan the best I can through the rapid. And eventually I pop out in one piece down the other side. It's the adrenaline,will desire and having some knowledge of my POIS experience that gets me POIS moments. The POIS problems don't go away but I prepare for them so I can come out the other side in one piece. I don't know how adrenaline works when given to people but I wonder how it would work if I took it in small doses when I have POIS? I know there are views about antihistamines on this site so I wonder if this has any links to antihistamines? Because when a person has allergies they need antihistamines when they get a bad reaction but in severe reaction adrenaline is given to fight the infection. Do antihistamines carry adrenaline like properties? Is being given some adrenaline a good idea? Will it give us the energy, vitality and clarity in our moments of brain fog? Anyway look forward to hearing your thoughts : ) b_racer
Kurtosis, that sounds very logical.This kind of plays into my dopamine theory...during sexual arousal the body uses up a lot of dopamine...some of it is converted to norepinephrine (adrenaline). Since the hypothalamus is compromised by an immune reaction (elevated cortisol), the body is unable to replenish dopamine levels and therefore natural adrenaline response is also affected (feeling fatigued).Have any of you noticed that you look different after "O"...like more pale and swollen eyes...and just a really tired look?The symptoms of POIS and sexual exhaustion are very similar...from what I understand sexual exhaustion is caused by neurotransmitter depletion...
JP's PROFILE QUESTIONI agree with JP that if we learn more about each others' shared traits and similarities, we may learn more about POIS contributing factors.I won't lay out my life story here, but I'll try to check in time to time with tidbits that may be relevant.I suffer terrible jet lag, almost like POIS. The most disturbing part is an incredibly intense feeling of disorientation, particularly after the return home. Like the proverbial fish out of water. It can last a week on both sides.Depression and ADD have periodically been problems as I noted earlier.POIS has ruined a good chunk of my life, either beause of active symptoms or "hanging over my head" like a curse.Enough for now, thanks
There are some studies that show that neem bark extract and neem seed oil caused arrest of spermatogenesis within 2 months, with a decrease in the number of Leydig cells (responsible for the manufacturing of testosterone) (Randhawa 1996)
It seems my POIS is cured.. Almost 90% of the symptoms gone in just two months of medicine. ..........Also see the benefits of Neem power capsule for allergy. thanks to god once.
It seems my POIS is cured.. Almost 90% of the symptoms gone in just two months of medicine. As I posted in my previous post, my doctor has suspected muscle weakness and prescribed Homeopathic medicines. But this not work for me. and I found that POIS is not due to muscle weakness and I stop this medicine. then I started for searching effective medicine for allergy. By god's grace, my friend suggested me to take Neem Capsules daily one after wakeup. I took this for two months and my POIS symptoms started declining. Now even I had two or three o in a day. I will be affected for very mild POIS symptoms say only 10% of earlier. Hopefully to clear this 10% in some time by continuing neem capsules. Further, this result is constant from the last one month and I followed two weeks rule here. Also see the benefits of Neem power capsule for allergy. thanks to god once.
nathan - did you use seed or leaf neem?
Quote from: acronym on 17/08/2012 06:46:31nathan - did you use seed or leaf neem?I used Neam leaf powder. I bought this powder from the herbal shop and I fill this into empty capsules. I eat this daily one (after wakeup, before eating / drinking) from the past two and two half months. I got the result within 20 days after this usage. As posted in my previous mail, my doctor suspected muscle weakness. Over a period of time, my doctor and I both concluded that it is not due to muscle weakness for the following reasons.a) Some times I experienced POIS symptoms starting after 15 to 20 hours after orgasm. b) Some times without having orgasm, I got POIS symptoms by watching sexual scenes and movies.c) further doctor told if it is a mucle weakness then there will be a heavy physical strain. But in POIS period, physically I am very strong. I can hit even 10 people if required, but my mental status was worst. d) Further, on my face, I had white patches like pimple which is filled up with white liquid. skin specialist tested this and he concluded that this is not a pimples, rather a patches because of allergy in the body. So, I started searching for cure for allergy. In one of the website I found a post by one person who was suffering from depression, headche, mental stress, reddish eyes, brain fog (same as POIS symtoms) after eating sea foods and this will gradually cured in 3 days. He took neem capsule for 4 months. Afterwords his problem was completely cured. Based on this, I asked my friend who is a herbal products dealer. He suggested me to try this. Because of this I tried this product and it has worked for me. Further, Yesterday I tested my sperm levels, as in some website it says Neem will decrease the sperm counts which is reversible nature. But for me there was no decrease and all levels are normal in semen. So, I thought I may be cured (not fully say 90%) because of following benefits of neem1) It increases immune system capability.2) Decreases auto immune diseases.3) Decreases allergy4) one of the good anit-oxidant5) Fight against virus, bacteria if it is there in body.
I have a rather strange story about my muscle growth as a teen while having POIS. I am curious about this now as I'm starting to find I have circulation issues, and muscle growth is very related to good/bad circulation. This is why you see many muscle growth products advertising circulation enhancing products (many contain products that increase nitric oxide (NO) for example).My strangeness is that by the age of 16, I had developed large neck, back and butt muscles, without exercising them. I was having people tell me "wow your neck is so thick, you look so big!" This is in contrast to the front of my body and arms, which were much less developed. I wasn't complaining, I looked like I was a physically fit guy (from the front and back) which helped me get the attention of women But if you view me from the side, it was not such an appealing sight. Firstly, I have mild pectus excavatum, or a "bowl chest" which makes sort of a cave in the middle. This made my lower ribs stick out, and if I wore a shirt some mean people would say I looked like I had breasts. There was so much muscle mass on my back, that it gave me an imbalanced look from the side. I was almost hunchbacked, my neck and trapezoidal muscles were (are) so large. Also, my jaw may have not developed as it should, since I have a mild overbite and a small jaw.Also strange are that I have narrow wrists and forearms, which looked quite scrawny when I was young. I later was motivated to exercise my arms and chest to try to improve my figure. I have developed large biceps/triceps and have larger chest muscles, but the chest has been very hard to grow. I am thinking, maybe I have circulation issues with the front of my torso that diverted blood/nutrients to my rear that caused it to grow so much but out of balance with the rest? If that's true, did this also contribute to my "bowl chest" by stopping/weakening it's growth, and the same for my forearms and jaw? Your front and back are innervated (supplied) by different nerves. The main nerve in the front is the vagus nerve, which if understimulated has been shown to cause depression (there is a treatment for depression where they install a vagus nerve stimulator in your body).And equally strange is the muscle distribution in my legs. It's the same imbalance but reversed, the front (quadriceps) is really strong while the back (hamstrings) are seriously weaker. I ran on my highschool track team, and was a very good sprinter, and I could kick a soccer ball very hard and far. But I found out, when I played football (American), that I could not push others out of my way nearly as hard with my legs. This motion involves your rear leg (hamstrings) much more! On weight training days, I would be embarassed when I had to perform "squats" with my legs because I couldn't do half as much as the other guys for nearly as long. I work on those muscles to this day, and it has been hard to grow them!I'm wondering if this has to do with POIS and my findings that I have circulation issues. My doctor told me I have Raynaud's Disease, where my hands and feet are purplish and blotchy showing bad circulation. Niacin, ginko, fenugreek all dilate your vessels, improving circulation and helping our POIS. I'm having trouble taking anything that promotes nitric oxide (NO), it's causing interactions with my psychiatric medications. I wish that didn't happen.EDIT: the niacin flush is really centered around the front torso and arms. Coincidence or important?Anyways, I'm curious if other guys here have similar stories. Also, in the days before niacin and vitamins, if I had a "hard" orgasm (basically where it felt REALLY good), the weaker muscles in the back on my leg would feel soooo sore the next day, like I had old-man muscles. I know you guys have soreness. Where is it the most?
Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction?
The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).
Nightingale,I have also been interested in a part POIS hypothesis that includes circulations issues. When in my POIS I have a lot of dizzy spells, especially when I get up from sitting or laying down. I am also unable to focus my eyes on things and they get bloodshot. My head also feels restricted and clogged. I am also unable to be still without my hands or mouth mildly shaking. I sometimes wonder if this is also a product of imporper circulation. Improper circulation to the brain can also cause a multitude of problems, including cognitive. Now I don't believe that circulation is the cause of all cognitive symptoms but it could certainly contribute.I have tried things like hanging upside down and such to little or no avail.
The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS). Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Thanks for comments. Joe L. Ogan
Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???
Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.
Kurtosis, you said that "after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy". What blood tests your doctor do?
Please permit me to say that there is nothing wrong with having a psychological problem. Please do not misinterpret this statement to mean that I believe the problem to be psychological. With all due respect, is the problem more prevalent among people who have a scientific background? This does not seem logical to me but, since the only people that I know that have it, are people with scientific backgrounds, it poses the question. No offence meant to anyone. Thanks for comments. Joe L. Ogan
Please permit me to say that there is nothing wrong with having a psychological problem.
Please do not misinterpret this statement to mean that I believe the problem to be psychological. With all due respect, is the problem more prevalent among people who have a scientific background? This does not seem logical to me but, since the only people that I know that have it, are people with scientific backgrounds, it poses the question. No offence meant to anyone. Thanks for comments. Joe L. Ogan