Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #17250 on: 09/10/2012 08:47:53 »
I think we are all facing the early signs of demetia,maybe alzeimers and post orgasm is one of the symptoms.pls check for any hereditary link,I have it.

Perhaps but
1) daveman and demo have had it for a while without actually becoming demented :)
2) it doesn't show up on MRI's. I'm in my mid 30s and have had 2 MRI's. Both neurologists couldn't find any sign of lesions or obvious reduction in brain tissue.
They said that if there was a problem it was either to do with transmission of nerve impulses (neurotransmitters etc.) or some form of chronic anxiety disorder. It didn't occur to them that you could have an anxiety problem mediated by a physiological issue (i.e. the body just producing too much stress hormones). Anyway, it's nice to know that I still have a brain and have the pictures at home to prove it :)

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« Reply #17251 on: 09/10/2012 17:09:38 »
Ok, the user that I found, guy26, has come over to the other forum to talk about his cure. He says he is open to answer any questions if there are any.

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« Reply #17252 on: 11/10/2012 10:28:42 »
After staying away from O I have noticed that even little love making with wife or a little less sleep is giving me pois, but the symptoms last less around a day.the new symptoms I have noticed are diarhea(loose motions),fungal infection in groin area.I think pois is attacking the immune system.

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« Reply #17253 on: 11/10/2012 11:03:02 »
After staying away from O I have noticed that even little love making with wife or a little less sleep is giving me pois, but the symptoms last less around a day.the new symptoms I have noticed are diarhea(loose motions),fungal infection in groin area.I think pois is attacking the immune system.

I absolutely think so too. Check out the new discussion on dopamine and dopac on poiscenter.com :)

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« Reply #17254 on: 13/10/2012 17:42:46 »
ONLY Urina test, morning 10 hours after an O:

DOPA                       91.50ug/g     (160 - 240)
34DOPAC                  0.40 mg/g   (0.70 - 4.00)
HVA                          1.90 mg/g    (2.43 - 5.20)
NORADRENALIN          10.30 ug/g  (15.70 - 34.30)
MHPG                          1.50 mg/g  (1.38 - 4.15)
VMA                            1.60 mg/g  (2.10 - 3.85)
ADRENALIN                  0.98  ug/g  (1.27 - 6.10)
SEROTONIN                62.40  ug/l   (61.50 - 116.80)
5HIAA                        2.30    mg/g (2.03 - 4.26)
HVA5HIAA                  0.83            (1.25 - 2.56)
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« Reply #17255 on: 13/10/2012 18:00:03 »
ONLY Urina test, morning 10 hours after an O:

DOPA                       91.50ug/g     (160 - 240)
34DOPAC                  0.40 mg/g   (0.70 - 4.00)
HVA                          1.90 mg/g    (2.43 - 5.20)
NORADRENALIN          10.30 ug/g  (15.70 - 34.30)
MHPG                          1.50 mg/g  (1.38 - 4.15)
VMA                            1.60 mg/g  (2.10 - 3.85)
ADRENALIN                  0.98  ug/g  (1.27 - 6.10)
SEROTONIN                62.40  ug/l   (61.50 - 116.80)
5HIAA                        2.30    mg/g (2.03 - 4.26)
HVA5HIAA                  0.83            (1.25 - 2.56)

Habibou,
Nice numbers!  ;)

I would love to see the same test when you're out of POIS.

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« Reply #17256 on: 13/10/2012 20:33:13 »
Habibou, I recently took a similar test, and likewise, I was in POIS at the time of the test.
I attached a jpeg of the results instead of typing all of it out.  If you believe it's all accurate, then the results are pretty shocking. 
« Last Edit: 13/10/2012 20:36:10 by B_Daniel »
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #17257 on: 13/10/2012 23:19:58 »
Habibou, I recently took a similar test, and likewise, I was in POIS at the time of the test.
I attached a jpeg of the results instead of typing all of it out.  If you believe it's all accurate, then the results are pretty shocking.

I'm interested in knowing how you measured you'r neurotransmitters. was it a blood test? urin test? what do i ask for?

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« Reply #17258 on: 14/10/2012 00:11:27 »
Habibou, I recently took a similar test, and likewise, I was in POIS at the time of the test.
I attached a jpeg of the results instead of typing all of it out.  If you believe it's all accurate, then the results are pretty shocking.

I'm interested in knowing how you measured you'r neurotransmitters. was it a blood test? urin test? what do i ask for?

Mine was a urine test, with a company named Pharmasan Labs, Inc, which I think is the same as NeuroScience.  Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the test results.  Maybe they're accurate, but it just baffles me that none of my other psychiatrists thought to give me this if it indeed produces such accurate and telling data.  I'm not completely discounting it, but take it with a grain of salt.

All that said, I like the direction this forum is headed in, analyzing hormones and neurotransmitters more closely.  That seems to be where our problems lie.
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #17259 on: 14/10/2012 01:11:06 »
So I got all that testing done on my neurotransmitters, and you did too, Habibou.  Has anyone gotten a full Hormone analysis?  I had one done but results dont come back for another 2 wks
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« Reply #17260 on: 14/10/2012 12:45:17 »
I am very sorry guys, but I think that whatever you do is just not right! All we here is an "neverending story" of a guys that has a headache after he masturbates. Go get Your life! If you have a problem with masturbating.. fine don't do that, but I am waiting for the Roman Catholic Church to say something real about it. This just doesn't mean, that as one gets the right kind of person, the headaches are gone, but (!)..
Here's the link, where You can find the truth:
https://www.facebook.com/remigiusz.fajfer?ref=tn_tnmn
and if You're really caucious, You'll find everything out there. That is oh so wrong to not speak about physics out here but about some dumb stuff.
I THINK! Scientist, nor the preachers should ever define sex, because it is a matter of our prime naivity to define that and every sex should be a teenagelike sex! Do the geno in gym and You won't get a brown-warm-discousting-in-your-mouth-sh-problem! You won't be saying that the Big-Bang is okay, but You will be sayin' it's a thing to believe when You got the Big-Dud problem.. and You'll splash particles on a bubble.

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« Reply #17261 on: 14/10/2012 13:09:47 »
Yes Daniel, we kind of have the same results...
OUT of POIS, it would be little better I guess but not a huge difference since I always have symptoms and brain fog, it because a CFS !

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« Reply #17262 on: 14/10/2012 15:12:55 »
I answered the questionaire and I want as many as possible of us to do it. Maybe it is a good chance to get attention to our condition from medical community.

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« Reply #17263 on: 15/10/2012 15:14:33 »
Yes Daniel, we kind of have the same results...
OUT of POIS, it would be little better I guess but not a huge difference since I always have symptoms and brain fog, it because a CFS !

I believe the 2 conditions may be related.

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« Reply #17264 on: 16/10/2012 09:16:43 »
Hi all
I woud like to ask every body if pois affect body weight???

for me it does affect my body weight, I am 65kg with 174cm.

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« Reply #17265 on: 17/10/2012 00:05:32 »
Hi all
I woud like to ask every body if pois affect body weight???
for me it does affect my body weight, I am 65kg with 174cm.
How do you know it accounts for your low body weight?
Do you eat a lot, to the level where you really should be putting on weight, but can't?
Have you ever gone a decent period of time without having an O, and have noticed you put on weight?

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« Reply #17266 on: 17/10/2012 00:31:26 »
I have not seen too many posts lately with anyone reporting any sort of success with a new protocol/supplement, which is what I get excited about when viewing new posts, apart from the guy doing well with Neem. Actually I have been having pretty good recovery lately, with some supplements, but its early days. I really want to try for a number of months more before making emphatic claim, but I just thought I'd make a post, because I suspect most here like me, really hang out for posts were guy's are saying that are having some sort of success, even if its short term experience only, as it gives us hope, in the meantime before some sort of medical explanation eventuates.

I have been taking TongKat-Ali (hormones), Vital Greens (phyto-nutrients), Phytosome Curcumins (inflammation), Lipotropene (liver detox), Ammodine (iodine/thyroid), Colloidal Minerlas+Fulvic Acid (trace elements), Kefir (fermented milk), Herbal tonic (ginseng, licorice, golden seal, calendura, ginko). I suspect the TongKat-Ali, Vital Greens and herbal tonic are the main supplements that are helping me with pois, but I am unsure yet how much the other supps contribute. That will take time. I have also been diagnosed with CFS/infection, so they could be playing a role in boosting my health that has flow on effects by lessening the impact of pois. I'll report back in time if these are still helping me. I feel pretty good now just a day later, but the brain fog while not as bad, still lingers for 3-4 days, its just not as bad on day 1.

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« Reply #17267 on: 17/10/2012 10:03:35 »
I think I eat enough food to get the normal body weight ,so I thing pois is the problem!!
I wanted to know if any one have the same..
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« Reply #17268 on: 17/10/2012 11:17:43 »
I have not seen too many posts lately with anyone reporting any sort of success with a new protocol/supplement, which is what I get excited about when viewing new posts, apart from the guy doing well with Neem. Actually I have been having pretty good recovery lately, with some supplements, but its early days. I really want to try for a number of months more before making emphatic claim, but I just thought I'd make a post, because I suspect most here like me, really hang out for posts were guy's are saying that are having some sort of success, even if its short term experience only, as it gives us hope, in the meantime before some sort of medical explanation eventuates.

I have been taking TongKat-Ali (hormones), Vital Greens (phyto-nutrients), Phytosome Curcumins (inflammation), Lipotropene (liver detox), Ammodine (iodine/thyroid), Colloidal Minerlas+Fulvic Acid (trace elements), Kefir (fermented milk), Herbal tonic (ginseng, licorice, golden seal, calendura, ginko). I suspect the TongKat-Ali, Vital Greens and herbal tonic are the main supplements that are helping me with pois, but I am unsure yet how much the other supps contribute. That will take time. I have also been diagnosed with CFS/infection, so they could be playing a role in boosting my health that has flow on effects by lessening the impact of pois. I'll report back in time if these are still helping me. I feel pretty good now just a day later, but the brain fog while not as bad, still lingers for 3-4 days, its just not as bad on day 1.



Who diagnosed the infection and what was diagnosed?

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« Reply #17269 on: 17/10/2012 13:28:14 »
I have not seen too many posts lately with anyone reporting any sort of success with a new protocol/supplement, which is what I get excited about when viewing new posts, apart from the guy doing well with Neem. Actually I have been having pretty good recovery lately, with some supplements, but its early days. I really want to try for a number of months more before making emphatic claim, but I just thought I'd make a post, because I suspect most here like me, really hang out for posts were guy's are saying that are having some sort of success, even if its short term experience only, as it gives us hope, in the meantime before some sort of medical explanation eventuates.

I have been taking TongKat-Ali (hormones), Vital Greens (phyto-nutrients), Phytosome Curcumins (inflammation), Lipotropene (liver detox), Ammodine (iodine/thyroid), Colloidal Minerlas+Fulvic Acid (trace elements), Kefir (fermented milk), Herbal tonic (ginseng, licorice, golden seal, calendura, ginko). I suspect the TongKat-Ali, Vital Greens and herbal tonic are the main supplements that are helping me with pois, but I am unsure yet how much the other supps contribute. That will take time. I have also been diagnosed with CFS/infection, so they could be playing a role in boosting my health that has flow on effects by lessening the impact of pois. I'll report back in time if these are still helping me. I feel pretty good now just a day later, but the brain fog while not as bad, still lingers for 3-4 days, its just not as bad on day 1.



Who diagnosed the infection and what was diagnosed?

An infectious diseases specialist and also a doctor who specializes in chronic conditions/CFS. Basically infection of unknown origin, based on certain immunity markers having irregular readings. Pathology blood tests for the common infections come back with negative alas.

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« Reply #17270 on: 17/10/2012 18:53:16 »

Hi, there is an interesting and good news for all the POIS suffers.  After my failure of Neem, I started searching for the product which contain Amino acids, Proteins and complete set of nutrients.   then I found Herbal life products.  After using this products for 20 days, now in POIS reduced by 80% and brain congnitive symptoms, difficulty in speaking, heaviness in head has reduced severely and started having a  normal life like every men.  I think I am near to find a solution for POIS.  I am taking following products of Herbal life.

a) Nutritional Shake : Formula 1:
Contents: Whey protein, soy Protein, Corn bran, stabilizer, INS 412, calcium, vitamins, potassium chloride, minerals, and other powders.

2) Protein powder containing  Soy & Whey Protein.

Please try this and provide your comments.

Do you still having sucess with herbalife?

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« Reply #17271 on: 17/10/2012 23:16:51 »
I have not seen too many posts lately with anyone reporting any sort of success with a new protocol/supplement, which is what I get excited about when viewing new posts, apart from the guy doing well with Neem. Actually I have been having pretty good recovery lately, with some supplements, but its early days. I really want to try for a number of months more before making emphatic claim, but I just thought I'd make a post, because I suspect most here like me, really hang out for posts were guy's are saying that are having some sort of success, even if its short term experience only, as it gives us hope, in the meantime before some sort of medical explanation eventuates.

I have been taking TongKat-Ali (hormones), Vital Greens (phyto-nutrients), Phytosome Curcumins (inflammation), Lipotropene (liver detox), Ammodine (iodine/thyroid), Colloidal Minerlas+Fulvic Acid (trace elements), Kefir (fermented milk), Herbal tonic (ginseng, licorice, golden seal, calendura, ginko). I suspect the TongKat-Ali, Vital Greens and herbal tonic are the main supplements that are helping me with pois, but I am unsure yet how much the other supps contribute. That will take time. I have also been diagnosed with CFS/infection, so they could be playing a role in boosting my health that has flow on effects by lessening the impact of pois. I'll report back in time if these are still helping me. I feel pretty good now just a day later, but the brain fog while not as bad, still lingers for 3-4 days, its just not as bad on day 1.



Who diagnosed the infection and what was diagnosed?

An infectious diseases specialist and also a doctor who specializes in chronic conditions/CFS. Basically infection of unknown origin, based on certain immunity markers having irregular readings. Pathology blood tests for the common infections come back with negative alas.

Interesting. I suspect that most of our symptoms are caused by an inability to metabolise dopamine effectively, which leads to severe symptoms when catecholamines spike during an O or during a stressful situation.
I suspect either poisoning or inability to process acetaldehyde effectively such that POIS sufferers have low or normal dopamine but consistently low DOPAC.
Whether this is brought on by genetic disorder (mutation of ALDH genes) or poisoning environment or by parasites that increase acetaldehyde levels in the body, I don't know. Could be any of all of these. It's a rare disease so more than one causative factor is possible.

I have 2 confirmed fungal infections by my doctor. A yeast infection, you can guess where, and a fungal rash on my skin.

I'm currently taking niacinamide, methionine and a collection of anti-fungal and anti-parasitic agents. I felt ok the first few days, I've felt terrible for the past 2 days (constant POIS symptoms without an orgasm for a week) and I believe it will clear soon.
I'm also taking some piracetam today which takes the edge of the worst feelings of dizziness and confusion. So I'm still quite lucid but I developed the same headache, eye pain, dizziness and fatigue I get after an O, just by taking anti-fungals.

Just to reiterate that, I'm feeling all the symptoms of POIS without an orgasm. I've done this deliberately, I guess to test my hypothesis. I'm taking neem, doctor-prescribed nystatin and some garlic.

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« Reply #17272 on: 19/10/2012 16:35:05 »

Hi, there is an interesting and good news for all the POIS suffers.  After my failure of Neem, I started searching for the product which contain Amino acids, Proteins and complete set of nutrients.   then I found Herbal life products.  After using this products for 20 days, now in POIS reduced by 80% and brain congnitive symptoms, difficulty in speaking, heaviness in head has reduced severely and started having a  normal life like every men.  I think I am near to find a solution for POIS.  I am taking following products of Herbal life.

a) Nutritional Shake : Formula 1:
Contents: Whey protein, soy Protein, Corn bran, stabilizer, INS 412, calcium, vitamins, potassium chloride, minerals, and other powders.

2) Protein powder containing  Soy & Whey Protein.

Please try this and provide your comments.

Do you still having sucess with herbalife?

Hi, fidalgo, from last two or three week, I had 7 orgasm and I did not noticed any POIS symptoms.  But one night, I got disturbed sleep and next morning I got POIS symptoms.  But within one day, it disappeared. Presently feeling well and not as normal man.   I also had complete thyroid profile and all symtoms are normal.

I enquired with doctor and herbal life people, (nutrientist) what is my problem.  Another interesting is I browsed for symtoms of testerone deficiency and shocking to know that I had all the symtoms of testerone deficiency such as low muscle growth, breast enlargement, lack of hair on the body, not having deepen voice, high body mass index, disturbed sleep, low concentraion, memory problem.  Please see this link.  http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/746602

So, I am thinking how herbal life product is helping in increase in testerone levels.  Can any one help what test I require to do for testing testerone levels.  At what time?

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« Reply #17273 on: 19/10/2012 16:54:52 »
My mother made a donation of 200$ and my father one of 300$ for a total of 500$ for NORD research 
Message for everypeople willing to donate : benefit from the SPONSOR so that we convert our pledges into real research and the 33.500 $ is reached this month !

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« Reply #17274 on: 19/10/2012 19:41:06 »
 Have we tracked how many of us have either been labeled(or actually have) bipolar or some other mood-related disorder?
I've been searching the forum but not coming up with much discussion on the topic. If it's definitely 'out there,' will someone please direct me to it?

Also, is there a summary of ideas from this forum that's been collected and put in some sort of abstract that's easy to access and review over time? (i think this used to be sent out with every new member's Welcome package). My (and several others) participation here can be sporadic, spanning months at a time, and having such a link would be nice. -thanks!

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« Reply #17275 on: 19/10/2012 23:41:28 »
So, I am thinking how herbal life product is helping in increase in testerone levels.  Can any one help what test I require to do for testing testerone levels.  At what time?
Nathan - when you see your doctor about blood test for your testosterone levels, double check he is going to test for your Free Test levels. (you want to check your bioavailable levels) Ask if he thinks its also worthwhile checking your estradiol levels as well since you mention breast enlargement (maybe mild gynecomastia). He might check your DHT levels as well. Blood test is required to be taken in the morning (when T levels are at their highest for the day) and not having eaten anything that morning. After you have your test, start taking a good zinc supplement.

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« Reply #17276 on: 20/10/2012 14:23:08 »
People, this month (October) may be the biggest opportunity someone could give us to make a huge difference in our lives.
We could be closer than ever to start a serious and dedicated research to cure POIS.

Think on the following things for a minute:

What would you do to get rid of POIS?

What could you do if you were POIS free… forever?

Think on your family, your friends, your girlfriend, your job.


How much money and time have you wasted because POIS is present all the time?

This month someone is giving us the opportunity to research for a POIS free life by duplicating each dollar we donate.
Don’t wait any more, do yourself a favor and donate to NORD!

NORD Research Donations webpage:
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You can find out more about this on the POIS New Forum:
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« Reply #17277 on: 20/10/2012 15:58:23 »

Hi, there is an interesting and good news for all the POIS suffers.  After my failure of Neem, I started searching for the product which contain Amino acids, Proteins and complete set of nutrients.   then I found Herbal life products.  After using this products for 20 days, now in POIS reduced by 80% and brain congnitive symptoms, difficulty in speaking, heaviness in head has reduced severely and started having a  normal life like every men.  I think I am near to find a solution for POIS.  I am taking following products of Herbal life.

a) Nutritional Shake : Formula 1:
Contents: Whey protein, soy Protein, Corn bran, stabilizer, INS 412, calcium, vitamins, potassium chloride, minerals, and other powders.

2) Protein powder containing  Soy & Whey Protein.

Please try this and provide your comments.

Do you still having sucess with herbalife?

Hi, fidalgo, from last two or three week, I had 7 orgasm and I did not noticed any POIS symptoms.  But one night, I got disturbed sleep and next morning I got POIS symptoms.  But within one day, it disappeared. Presently feeling well and not as normal man.   I also had complete thyroid profile and all symtoms are normal.

I enquired with doctor and herbal life people, (nutrientist) what is my problem.  Another interesting is I browsed for symtoms of testerone deficiency and shocking to know that I had all the symtoms of testerone deficiency such as low muscle growth, breast enlargement, lack of hair on the body, not having deepen voice, high body mass index, disturbed sleep, low concentraion, memory problem.  Please see this link.  http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/746602

So, I am thinking how herbal life product is helping in increase in testerone levels.  Can any one help what test I require to do for testing testerone levels.  At what time?

Very intersting, I have breast enlargement too. Nithingale said one time that he had that too. My family is too thin, so I can't say that i have low muscle grow, but I am a weak boy. I don't have lack of hair, in the reality I have a lot. And, I had test my hormone level and it came normal.

You must do the testosterone exams...

Anyone more in the forum have breast enlargement? It may have some relation with POIS...

I think i will try the herbalife diet in the future...

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Hi, there is an interesting and good news for all the POIS suffers.  After my failure of Neem, I started searching for the product which contain Amino acids, Proteins and complete set of nutrients.   then I found Herbal life products.  After using this products for 20 days, now in POIS reduced by 80% and brain congnitive symptoms, difficulty in speaking, heaviness in head has reduced severely and started having a  normal life like every men.  I think I am near to find a solution for POIS.  I am taking following products of Herbal life.

a) Nutritional Shake : Formula 1:
Contents: Whey protein, soy Protein, Corn bran, stabilizer, INS 412, calcium, vitamins, potassium chloride, minerals, and other powders.

2) Protein powder containing  Soy & Whey Protein.

Please try this and provide your comments.

Do you still having sucess with herbalife?

Hi, fidalgo, from last two or three week, I had 7 orgasm and I did not noticed any POIS symptoms.  But one night, I got disturbed sleep and next morning I got POIS symptoms.  But within one day, it disappeared. Presently feeling well and not as normal man.   I also had complete thyroid profile and all symtoms are normal.

I enquired with doctor and herbal life people, (nutrientist) what is my problem.  Another interesting is I browsed for symtoms of testerone deficiency and shocking to know that I had all the symtoms of testerone deficiency such as low muscle growth, breast enlargement, lack of hair on the body, not having deepen voice, high body mass index, disturbed sleep, low concentraion, memory problem.  Please see this link.  http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/746602

So, I am thinking how herbal life product is helping in increase in testerone levels.  Can any one help what test I require to do for testing testerone levels.  At what time?

Very intersting, I have breast enlargement too. Nithingale said one time that he had that too. My family is too thin, so I can't say that i have low muscle grow, but I am a weak boy. I don't have lack of hair, in the reality I have a lot. And, I had test my hormone level and it came normal.

You must do the testosterone exams...

Anyone more in the forum have breast enlargement? It may have some relation with POIS...

I think i will try the herbalife diet in the future...

My body mass index is very abnormal and my body is more in Fat and low muscle growth.  Thursday I am going to test my Testerone levels and see what will be the result.  Presently, I cannot say 100% normal.  But my symptoms would not increase / decrease with orgasm.  Say I need to improve a lot.  Updated my result in next week

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« Reply #17279 on: 22/10/2012 23:20:25 »
You hit the nail on the head Habibou. I encourage everyone of you: The silent readers who are suffering from POIS and are following this forum, to donate https://www.rarediseases.org/about/support/research-donations/fg_base_view_p3 to the Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome fund. It does not matter the amount, probably you have saved some money - and this is the better investment you can do. 5$, 10$, 20$ can make a BIG difference. And 5$ now is 10$, and 40$ is 80$. I am sure that you want to get rid of this misery, so please do not ignore this message and do not waste this opportunity. A moment feeling POIS is a moment when all of your dreams and your life, just make no sense, so please, think again!
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« Reply #17280 on: 23/10/2012 17:23:55 »
Hi folks,

I'm speaking here as a moderator.  We do appreciate the good this thread has done for those suffering with POIS and the value of this forum for collecting and sharing information about POIS. 

However, we do not currently allow users to engage in fund raising via the forum.  Posts soliciting donations on this forum will be removed.  I know that poiscenter.com does allow donations, and you are free to refer members to that site so long as you are not asking for donations your referral post. 

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To all of you out here - I am speechless...and in shock.

For over 10 years I have been trying to find OTHERS who are having the same "issues" I have been having immediately after ejaculation...that then last for up to 3 days....usually 2.5 days (two full nights of sleep) on average before I can safely re-emerge to society.  I just 10 minutes ago, through a fluke, came upon this site: https://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/home AND FREAKED OUT.

I am a POIS sufferer (there's a name for it!) and have been looking for others for years....I am in shock - sorry if I may babble a bit here.  Here is the letter I just wrote to Dr. Waldinger:

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Dear Doctor Waldinger,
All I CAN SAY IS O MY GOD …..for over 10 years I have been suffering from POIS…at times frantically trying to find others on the internet who have this issue – to no avail.  I am 37, male, 135lbs over all generally healthy.

I have never met ANYONE else who has this issue…and then…right now….2 minutes ago I came upon the Google POIS site which led me to you.  I am so incredibly happy I can't put effective words to it.

For years I have described what is happening to just a few of my closest friends and all of them are like I have never ever heard of that and know of no one else who does.  It appears though I AM NOT ALONE!!!! 

I have this infliction.  After orgasm…I AM EXTREMELY irritable and despicably tense (including muscle tension curling) and it lasts usually 2.5 days almost to a T.   I usually try to immediately go to sleep as I am convinced it has to do with my pituitary and that something in me needs to reset – the faster I am to sleep and in REM sleep creating GH the better.  I am terrified of any non-sexual intercourse ejaculation because of this – though I have found if I am having sex with a women…(no condom) I believe potentially this BALANCES me somehow lessening the effects due to her chemical interactions – though this maybe just in my mind - but that has tended to be the case.

I have taken GABA for years immediately after ejaculation and this often lessens the effects and am terrified of unintended masturbatory/dream related ejaculation due to all of this.

TO say I am flabbergasted to have found this site and community is an understatement.

That I have a community I can talk with about this makes me happy.

Please send me any questionnaire you need.
----END OF EMAIL----

Continuing on...I have found GABA works very very well for me in SPEEDING up my recovery time and I swear by it.  5-HTP also helps but not as much as GABA - I have taken 5-HTP for over 20 year for sleep - but GABA soothes my intense crankiness - if I take enough GABA I can often bounce back incredibly fast sometimes allowing me to get through the day without intense flashes anger/anxiety/tension.  FYI...I switched from GABA to PICAMILON about 1 year ago (Picamilon is GABA bonded with NIACIN) and I believe the Picamalon is effectively allot better than GABA alone as it does not make you sleepy like GABA alone does.  I am convinced this inflection has to do with my pituitary and related nervous system as deep sleep seems to be the only thing that allows me to fully restore myself...but at least two sleep cycles of such is required...making me think the large GH pulse you get from REM sleep helps to restore the balance. 

Note I have symptoms that are EXACTLY POIS...I could jump through hoops right now. I try my hardest to not go to any social function after as I have no ability to socialize normally.  I try to avoid all people for 2 to 3 days... ...friends who have known me for years will be like..."why are you so irritated"....and I have never had the gall to tell them cuz they would not understand...this has gone on for so many years now many know me to be moody....when I know its actually cause of what has been going on!!!!!

I would love to Skype with anyone who also has this just to talk to someone else.....who can be like..."..ya dude...i know what ur talking about..."

I am in shock....I am not alone.........
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« Reply #17282 on: 25/10/2012 08:35:08 »
My mother made a donation of 200$ and my father one of 300$ for a total of 500$ for NORD research 
Message for everypeople willing to donate : benefit from the SPONSOR so that we convert our pledges into real research and the 33.500 $ is reached this month !
this is so nice Habibou. many thanks!

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« Reply #17283 on: 25/10/2012 08:45:32 »
To all of you out here - I am speechless...and in shock.

For over 10 years I have been trying to find OTHERS who are having the same "issues" I have been having immediately after ejaculation...that then last for up to 3 days....usually 2.5 days (two full nights of sleep) on average before I can safely re-emerge to society.  I just 10 minutes ago, through a fluke, came upon this site: https://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/home AND FREAKED OUT.

I am a POIS sufferer (there's a name for it!) and have been looking for others for years....I am in shock - sorry if I may babble a bit here.  Here is the letter I just wrote to Dr. Waldinger:

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Dear Doctor Waldinger,
All I CAN SAY IS O MY GOD …..for over 10 years I have been suffering from POIS…at times frantically trying to find others on the internet who have this issue – to no avail.  I am 37, male, 135lbs over all generally healthy.

I have never met ANYONE else who has this issue…and then…right now….2 minutes ago I came upon the Google POIS site which led me to you.  I am so incredibly happy I can't put effective words to it.

For years I have described what is happening to just a few of my closest friends and all of them are like I have never ever heard of that and know of no one else who does.  It appears though I AM NOT ALONE!!!! 

I have this infliction.  After orgasm…I AM EXTREMELY irritable and despicably tense (including muscle tension curling) and it lasts usually 2.5 days almost to a T.   I usually try to immediately go to sleep as I am convinced it has to do with my pituitary and that something in me needs to reset – the faster I am to sleep and in REM sleep creating GH the better.  I am terrified of any non-sexual intercourse ejaculation because of this – though I have found if I am having sex with a women…(no condom) I believe potentially this BALANCES me somehow lessening the effects due to her chemical interactions – though this maybe just in my mind - but that has tended to be the case.

I have taken GABA for years immediately after ejaculation and this often lessens the effects and am terrified of unintended masturbatory/dream related ejaculation due to all of this.

TO say I am flabbergasted to have found this site and community is an understatement.

That I have a community I can talk with about this makes me happy.

Please send me any questionnaire you need.
----END OF EMAIL----

Continuing on...I have found GABA works very very well for me in SPEEDING up my recovery time and I swear by it.  5-HTP also helps but not as much as GABA - I have taken 5-HTP for over 20 year for sleep - but GABA soothes my intense crankiness - if I take enough GABA I can often bounce back incredibly fast sometimes allowing me to get through the day without intense flashes anger/anxiety/tension.  FYI...I switched from GABA to PICAMILON about 1 year ago (Picamilon is GABA bonded with NIACIN) and I believe the Picamalon is effectively allot better than GABA alone as it does not make you sleepy like GABA alone does.  I am convinced this inflection has to do with my pituitary and related nervous system as deep sleep seems to be the only thing that allows me to fully restore myself...but at least two sleep cycles of such is required...making me think the large GH pulse you get from REM sleep helps to restore the balance. 

Note I have symptoms that are EXACTLY POIS...I could jump through hoops right now. I try my hardest to not go to any social function after as I have no ability to socialize normally.  I try to avoid all people for 2 to 3 days... ...friends who have known me for years will be like..."why are you so irritated"....and I have never had the gall to tell them cuz they would not understand...this has gone on for so many years now many know me to be moody....when I know its actually cause of what has been going on!!!!!

I would love to Skype with anyone who also has this just to talk to someone else.....who can be like..."..ya dude...i know what ur talking about..."

I am in shock....I am not alone.........

 is nice you have finally found this website.  You are among people that understand how you feel.   
As of late we have transition to our own website called poiscenter.com, it is also a forum. Come over there and register with the name you are using for this site. There, the conversation is still going and you can find out about other methods people are using to alleviate their symptoms.   One of those methods involve flush niacin which pretty much cures some 100%, you will be interested in that thread.
It is no surprise you just found this site eventhough it is almost five years old. It took months of searching the internet to find it.

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Dear All,
To say the least I am relieved I am not the only person on earth with this issue - for a while I truly believed this was the case.

I find it rather stunning/serendipitous having been 10+ years in the woods alone - I too stumbled upon niacin-related treatment on my own - HOWEVER I stumbled into niacin AS A RESULT OF GABA in the form of PICAMILON. GABA has always been at the center of my POIS treatment and niacin second - and when the two are bonded (as they are in Picamilon) you get a very special effect you will not get on either of them alone.

Deeper explanation:

My primary treatment for POIS has for years been to take GABA immediately after O - usually 1000 to 2000mg.  I have been doing this for years and it helps allot (100% recovery much faster than without), however, GABA alone will make you sleepy/drowsy immediately and I quickly go take a nap - which I believe the immediate REM sleep and related natural growth-hormone (GH) pulse that follows likely plays a supportive role in helping "reset" my system.  Due to a close friend in the neurological sciences, however, I learned about Picamilon and immediately switched over to it about 2 years ago upon finding the results much better without the immediate need for sleep caused by GABA alone.

Picamilon, as a substance, is focused on the GABA...not on the niacin. The niacin has been bonded to the GABA to act as a DELIVERY MECHANISM for the GABA....assisting the GABA cross the blood brain barrier faster and in a more concentrated form. Taking the two substances separately is NOT the same thing. Picamilon is about getting GABA to the brain - not about taking niacin.

Wikipedia entry on Picamilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picamilon

Info on Picamilon:  http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/drugs/picamilon

To purchase high-grade Picamilon: http://www.biologicsnutra.com/productdetails.asp?productid=460

Enhancing Orgasm with GABA:

Orgasm release is controlled by the body?s levels of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). GABA (synthesized from glutamine and inositol) is considered to be one of the most important inhibitory neurotransmitters in the central nervous system. GABA helps inhibit excitatory neurotransmitters that can cause anxiety if the system is overstimulated. This is important, since chronic anxiety can lead to loss of sexual interest and sexual dysfunction.

GABA is responsible for regulating sexual tone and plays an important role in brain hypothalamic/pituitary function.21 Therapeutic drugs that increase the available amount of GABA typically have relaxing, anti-anxiety, and mood-soothing effects.22 Conversely, when GABA becomes depleted, it is difficult to relax and let go of fear and negative feelings. Hence, orgasm becomes difficult. GABA-enhancing compounds could help increase dopamine levels, which may enhance sexual satisfaction.

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I hope this is of help to some of you.  I have never tried niacin alone - but may just as a comparative test and report back here.  On the whole I will continue to stick with Picamilon (and GABA alone when Picamilon is not available) as it has been working for me for years without fail.

Again really glad to know I am not alone!

Cheers!  ;D

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« Reply #17285 on: 25/10/2012 21:10:34 »
Picamilon, does this create a flush.... I really hate the Niacin flush!

Thanks!

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« Reply #17286 on: 25/10/2012 21:16:02 »
I have never experienced a flush...but it may well still create one if taken in high enough dosages.  I usually take 100 to 200mg of Picamilon immediately after O and then every 4 to 6 hours until I am safely out of the woods.

It may well create a flush if taken at much higher dosages...but I have never experienced one.

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« Reply #17287 on: 26/10/2012 00:02:15 »
Copperred, WELCOME!!!

I'm the webmaster of the site you found us in first, so I'm happy twice   :)

Please, take a look at the New POIS Forum, where you can find the most up to date data and discussions:
http://www.poiscenter.com/forums/index.php

Please, introduce yourself there too, so the rest of us know about your case.

You can also take a look at our POIS YouTube Channel, where you can find at least two documentaries, where POIS is mentioned. One is from The Learning Channel and the other from ABC Australia.
http://www.youtube.com/user/POISchannel

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« Reply #17288 on: 26/10/2012 16:07:20 »
Hi folks,

I'm speaking here as a moderator.  We do appreciate the good this thread has done for those suffering with POIS and the value of this forum for collecting and sharing information about POIS. 

However, we do not currently allow users to engage in fund raising via the forum.  Posts soliciting donations on this forum will be removed.  I know that poiscenter.com does allow donations, and you are free to refer members to that site so long as you are not asking for donations your referral post. 

Thank you for your understanding,
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Thank you for your reminder JP, Habibou and me were only trying to catch everyone attention. Regards.

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« Reply #17289 on: 27/10/2012 23:23:19 »
Hello,

I have been taking Lovan for about 12 weeks. That didn't help during POIS at all but did a little outside of POIS. I have been taking Doxycycline (an antibiotic) for 3 days and my POIS has decreased by 95%. I have had about 10 blood tests over the last 10 years and nothing abnormal was ever detected.

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« Reply #17290 on: 28/10/2012 00:03:10 »
Doxycycline has strong antiinflammatory properties/

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« Reply #17291 on: 28/10/2012 04:15:03 »
Hello,

I have been taking Doxycycline (an antibiotic) for 3 days and my POIS has decreased by 95%.

Hey Over It, can you keep us posted on the doxycycline, please?  You've only been at it for 3 days, which isn't a long enough test period to draw any conclusions, but it is a promising sign that it's working so far.

I've been trying to really focus on my POIS symptoms lately to try to connect some of the dots.  While I don't have much/any acne, one thing I've noticed is that my face is always more oily on days with POIS.  Doxycycline reduces acne, so is there a link here??  If there is it seems to be a stretch.

Another thing POIS reminds me of is that hangover feeling a few hours after smoking pot.  Anyone know chemically what the link could be between pois and smoking mj? (From all the posts of Kurtosis I've read, I know his answer to this will be definitely be acetaldehyde poisoning... which I suspect is the case here!)
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2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #17292 on: 28/10/2012 06:32:59 »
Even I have noticed a better feeling with antibiotics,less brain fog.I think the good and bad bacterias in our gut are killed and because of that I get a clearer thinking,I am even having yoghurt on regular basis so that the ratio of good bacteria remains healthy in the gut

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« Reply #17293 on: 28/10/2012 11:07:22 »
Hello,

I have been taking Doxycycline (an antibiotic) for 3 days and my POIS has decreased by 95%.

Hey Over It, can you keep us posted on the doxycycline, please?  You've only been at it for 3 days, which isn't a long enough test period to draw any conclusions, but it is a promising sign that it's working so far.

I've been trying to really focus on my POIS symptoms lately to try to connect some of the dots.  While I don't have much/any acne, one thing I've noticed is that my face is always more oily on days with POIS.  Doxycycline reduces acne, so is there a link here??  If there is it seems to be a stretch.

Another thing POIS reminds me of is that hangover feeling a few hours after smoking pot.  Anyone know chemically what the link could be between pois and smoking mj? (From all the posts of Kurtosis I've read, I know his answer to this will be definitely be acetaldehyde poisoning... which I suspect is the case here!)

Not just acetaldehyde, histamine. You're introducing a allergen into a body that may have too high histamine. It just makes it worse that it increases acetaldehyde load as your body tries to get rid of it. (as does histamine and some other neurotransmitters).

We can't get rid of acetaldehyde from our bodies and we can't avoid all allergens. All we can do is try to help our body reduce the levels of both histamine and acetaldehyde over time.

So increasing methylation and cellular ATP (see discussion on poiscenter, it would take me hours to describe it all here) seem a better idea than these elimination diets which are impossible to stick to. Actually I think most elimination diets are given to people who are simply overproducing histamine and they're misguided in that the foods ruled out often contain vital nutrients.

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« Reply #17294 on: 28/10/2012 16:51:22 »
I've been doing some research on mj this morning.  I can't find much information on histamine releases with use although I don't doubt that it's a factor.  Even in regards to the red eyes, supposedly that's not cause by histamines but by blood vessels dilating due to increased pressure and decreased bloodflow.  There's a lot more talk about weed's affect on cholinergic transmissions i.e. choline & acetylcholine.

"Choline is the precursor molecule for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine which is involved in many functions including memory and muscle control."  THC's effects on acetylcholine as a neural correlate of reduced cognitive function involve its regional effects on cholinergic transmission in brain regions relevant to learning, memory, etc. Weed has a way of dampening choline all over the place, resulting (at least partly) in the cognitive impairment following acute and chronic use."

I don't really know how this is relevant, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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« Reply #17295 on: 28/10/2012 22:12:03 »
Please watch this TED Talk : The Great Porn Experiment: Gary Wilson at TEDxGlasgow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU&feature=youtu.be

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« Reply #17296 on: 29/10/2012 00:15:49 »
I've been doing some research on mj this morning.  I can't find much information on histamine releases with use although I don't doubt that it's a factor.  Even in regards to the red eyes, supposedly that's not cause by histamines but by blood vessels dilating due to increased pressure and decreased bloodflow.  There's a lot more talk about weed's affect on cholinergic transmissions i.e. choline & acetylcholine.

"Choline is the precursor molecule for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine which is involved in many functions including memory and muscle control."  THC's effects on acetylcholine as a neural correlate of reduced cognitive function involve its regional effects on cholinergic transmission in brain regions relevant to learning, memory, etc. Weed has a way of dampening choline all over the place, resulting (at least partly) in the cognitive impairment following acute and chronic use."

I don't really know how this is relevant, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Not the cannabis in particular, just smoking produces an allergic response.
If someone has high histamine levels then they're more likely to have some respiratory allergies. Smoking is one of the things which further increases histamine levels and leads to allergic response.
See paper at http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(06)00942-0/abstract

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« Reply #17297 on: 29/10/2012 11:04:53 »
Ok, so this might sound a bit random.  But can someone give this is a go.  Its perfectly safe.
Buy some DMSO cream (its very cheap and perfectly safe for delivering nutrients through the skin)
Apply to the inside of the arm - i do mine in the middle on the other side of the elbow.
Take a capsule of amino acids supplement (find one that cover most of the amino acid range - i use kirkman Amino Support)
Apply the powder on top of the DMSO cream on your arm
Apply more DMSo on top and rub into the skin.

It can be a bit messy.  But if anyone is willing to try this please let me know how you get on.  Perhaps do this at the height of your POIS symptoms.  If this helps you i can explain my theory.  Ps sorry kurtosis for taking you off topic from above.

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« Reply #17298 on: 29/10/2012 11:43:38 »
DMSO without any adds doesnt work?

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« Reply #17299 on: 29/10/2012 15:49:20 »
Ok, so this might sound a bit random.  But can someone give this is a go.  Its perfectly safe.
Buy some DMSO cream (its very cheap and perfectly safe for delivering nutrients through the skin)
Apply to the inside of the arm - i do mine in the middle on the other side of the elbow.
Take a capsule of amino acids supplement (find one that cover most of the amino acid range - i use kirkman Amino Support)
Apply the powder on top of the DMSO cream on your arm
Apply more DMSo on top and rub into the skin.

It can be a bit messy.  But if anyone is willing to try this please let me know how you get on.  Perhaps do this at the height of your POIS symptoms.  If this helps you i can explain my theory.  Ps sorry kurtosis for taking you off topic from above.
Nah, that's cool.
I've used MSM as well as methionine by itself. MSM is similar to DMSO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane

There's a big discussion on histamine and methylation over on poiscenter.com.
The discussion is about whether POIS may have aspects of mitochondria dysfunction (including extreme fatigue) and high histamine producing persistent and chronic inflammation.

I find the ability of methionine (and other methyl group providers) to help overcome POIS depends on how energetic I feel. I think this is because the body requires a methionine source and ATP (a byproduct of glycosis) to make SAMe. But yeah, in principle DMSO might reduce inflammation and lessen POIS symptoms by helping to reduce histamine levels, among other things. 

I've now switched to SAMe as it gives results faster and I'm taking it every day rather than just O days.

For best effect, take some b vitamins, especially b3 (niacin/niacinamide) and b6 as these are crucial in the 2nd stage of a lot of methylation reactions including for neurotransmitters like histamine, dopamine etc.