Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #17500 on: 04/01/2013 20:55:34 »
Vincent M, it is quite strange that you talk about  survival,  yet you need to procreate once a day ))
If you have masturbation addiction, then this is  your problem, if not I dont see a problem  staying away from sex.
If niacin  helps you  then most likely you are  over methylated

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« Reply #17501 on: 04/01/2013 21:55:06 »
Hi, everyone a short update on me:  after having developed a rash on my scrotum 2 months ago, and embarking on a diet aimed at eliminating candida from my system, I have experienced some good results. 

I have been able to think more rationally and compose more logical statements than I usually do.  I can't say that the feeling of brain fog goes away, so my attention is still rather bad.  But I noticed a marked improvement in my ability to express myself and find the words I need.  I typically have a log-jam of vocabulary all wanting to be used. But during the various holiday parties I attended with no shortage of well-spoken people with masters and doctorate degrees, I found it especially easy to say what I wanted!  Felt nostalgic for times when I have been that high functioning :)

My rash still remains though.  I see a dermatologist next month.  I have a strong suspicion it is what is called an intertrigo, of the candidal variety.  The rash itself isn't too terrible to deal with, but I need to deal with it sooner than later.

The diet I've been on has also included taking supplements to eliminate the candida, namely natural anti-fungals and probiotics.  For the first month I was quite sick, dealing with the Herx reaction or "die off" where you feel worse before better.  I backed off the treatments during the holidays so that I could survive the germ sharing that would go on with my relatives around.  I'm back to taking them, and I see myself staying on this program for another month at least.  I think I will be taking probiotics for some time afterwards to make sure I keep my gut healthly.

In short, this experiment has made it easier to cope with my POIS symptoms, as I feel like a healthier, happier person overall.
I am pretty experienced at this program by now, so if anyone wants to know more about it I'd be happy to answer questions. 
« Last Edit: 04/01/2013 21:56:40 by Nightingale »

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« Reply #17502 on: 04/01/2013 22:11:45 »
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« Reply #17503 on: 05/01/2013 04:36:00 »
Hi, My name is sohail. i'm a 21 years old male and i'm from Iran. Now it's about a year that i've understood i have POIS.That was totally by chance after searching google "depression after sex" and reading an article about POIS in mighty wikipedia. I'm so happy i found that i'm sick. I believe this sickness badly affected all dimentions of my life.

After a little search i understood (i'm totally sure) my pois is an autoimmune reaction toward my own semen. my immune system recognise my semen(after ejaculation) as an enemy and releases histamine and all the disaster starts. Once i ate my own semen and i got sick! Therefore i try to reach orgasm without ejaculation. Sometimes i'm unable to control my orgasms and i ejaculate. I've learned i should take loratadine 2 hours before orgasm(the key factor is before orgasm); But since i'm unable to plan my ejaculations,  i take loratadine minutes after orgasm and it steal works with 50% power.
antihistamines work greatly in my case(loratadine and diphenhydramine for sleep).
loratadine works on h1 receptors. it improves 100% bodily symptoms and 50% of psycological ones for me specially if i take it 2 hours before ejaculation.
mechanism of disease:
when semen enters the urethra, immune system releases histamine.
Histamine exerts its actions by combining with specific cellular histamine receptors. The four histamine receptors that have been discovered in humans and animals are designated H1 through H4, and are all G protein-coupled receptors (GPCR).






Type   Location   Function
H1 histamine receptor   Found on smooth muscle, endothelium, and central nervous system tissue   Causes, bronchoconstriction, bronchial smooth muscle contraction, vasodilation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness; sleep and appetite suppression.
H2 histamine receptor   Located on parietal cells and vascular smooth muscle cells   Primarily involved in vasodilation. Also stimulate gastric acid secretion
H3 histamine receptor   Found on central nervous system and to a lesser extent peripheral nervous system tissue   Decreased neurotransmitter release: histamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine, serotonin
H4 histamine receptor   Found primarily in the basophils and in the bone marrow. It is also found on thymus, small intestine, spleen, and colon.   Plays a role in chemotaxis.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine#Mechanism_of_action


Decreased neurotransmitter release: histamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine, serotonin

this is the reason of psycological symptoms.
H1 receptors are the reason of physiological symptoms.





 
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« Reply #17504 on: 05/01/2013 04:37:00 »
pois lasts for 3 days generally:

***most important and painful symptom:
A)sever depression
(including: 1)anhedonia:bieng unable to experience joy. 2)suicidal thoughts 3)feeling of emptiness/void/lonliness
4)low self confidence/esteem 5)frustration & loosing hope about future 6)ADHD 7)need for Isolation)
B)anxiety/paranoia & dysphoria




***other symptoms:
- numbness(specially hands & fingers)
- myalgia(whole body)
- muscle's shake
- some parts of my body become red



- gaining APPETITE after orgasm
- seeking sugar
- excecive secretion of gastric acid



- mild headache(orgasm day)
- lack of motivation & concentration
- impatience
- fatigue & laziness
- discomfort
- sluggish/foggy/heavy cognition
- irritably(easilly getting angry & aggressive)
- remembering bad memories
- needing to sleep >1 more hour a night
- severe insomnia and change of sleep-wake time
- nightmares




***few times:
- weaker immune system and cathing cold easilly
- diarrhea
- sensitivity to light/noise
- feeling pressure on eyes
- feeling pressure on ears and change in hearing
- pale face & skin
- abnormal & weird senses of hot/cold
- once i loosed 12 kilogrames in 1 month with no reason.

I want to thank you all great people, that article about pois in mighty wikipedia and all the  researchers. I hope we will improve by the power of science. all replies and messages are appreciated.
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« Reply #17505 on: 05/01/2013 07:00:16 »
1) Welcome Sohail! We're very happy that you found this forum. :) We really think and hope 2013 is the year that we can finally get some good research and solve this POIS problem once and for all!
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2) My eyes are pretty sensitive to sunlight. Also, I currently am in an area with a tropical monsoon climate (according to the wiki) with a very extreme UV index. This does not help my sensitivity to light. I usually wear sunglasses when I go outside during the day, or else I squint a lot. I think I blink more than average too. I notice that when I travel or vacation up north (where the UV index is lower) I don't have as much of a problem with this.
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3) Hi Vincent, I notice you say you have a hard time abstaining. I remember one time you posted about a homemade chastity device that you made to try to help you. I found a real chastity device. Just search for "CB6000" and you will see it. It is made of plastic and amazon has it. Now, I think this is really made for couples to play with, but it might have some practical use for a POIS sufferer if he desperately needs to abstain.
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4) Lastly, speaking of abstaining, it is something that I finally managed to do for over 2 weeks now. My results so far have been mixed. I think I feel about 40-50% better. But I still have some brain fog and mild headache. This could be simply because I haven't abstained long enough and also because I have still been masturbating/having sex with my gf, but NO orgasm (I know it's really difficult though). I plan to keep abstaining indefinitely and see what happens (to see if I have constant pois, to see if I can feel normal again, and just to feel better overall).

K, thanks guys and I hope to post again soon! I'll be bock (arnold voice, ha).

And before I forget, thanks Herman for all that info you've been sharing with us! It's very interesting to read.
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« Reply #17506 on: 05/01/2013 10:53:06 »
Hi, everyone a short update on me:  after having developed a rash on my scrotum 2 months ago, and embarking on a diet aimed at eliminating candida from my system, I have experienced some good results. 

I have been able to think more rationally and compose more logical statements than I usually do.  I can't say that the feeling of brain fog goes away, so my attention is still rather bad.  But I noticed a marked improvement in my ability to express myself and find the words I need.  I typically have a log-jam of vocabulary all wanting to be used. But during the various holiday parties I attended with no shortage of well-spoken people with masters and doctorate degrees, I found it especially easy to say what I wanted!  Felt nostalgic for times when I have been that high functioning :)

My rash still remains though.  I see a dermatologist next month.  I have a strong suspicion it is what is called an intertrigo, of the candidal variety.  The rash itself isn't too terrible to deal with, but I need to deal with it sooner than later.

The diet I've been on has also included taking supplements to eliminate the candida, namely natural anti-fungals and probiotics.  For the first month I was quite sick, dealing with the Herx reaction or "die off" where you feel worse before better.  I backed off the treatments during the holidays so that I could survive the germ sharing that would go on with my relatives around.  I'm back to taking them, and I see myself staying on this program for another month at least.  I think I will be taking probiotics for some time afterwards to make sure I keep my gut healthly.

In short, this experiment has made it easier to cope with my POIS symptoms, as I feel like a healthier, happier person overall.
I am pretty experienced at this program by now, so if anyone wants to know more about it I'd be happy to answer questions. 

That's good news. I think that candida growth is caused by immune system impairment from methylation defects. But then you knew that...

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« Reply #17507 on: 05/01/2013 11:00:35 »
Hi, My name is sohail. i'm a 21 years old male and i'm from Iran. Now it's about a year that i've understood i have POIS.That was totally by chance after searching google "depression after sex" and reading an article about POIS in mighty wikipedia. I'm so happy i found that i'm sick. I believe this sickness badly affected all dimentions of my life.

After a little search i understood (i'm totally sure) my pois is an autoimmune reaction toward my own semen. my immune system recognise my semen(after ejaculation) as an enemy and releases histamine and all the disaster starts. Once i ate my own semen and i got sick! Therefore i try to reach orgasm without ejaculation. Sometimes i'm unable to control my orgasms and i ejaculate. I've learned i should take loratadine 2 hours before orgasm(the key factor is before orgasm); But since i'm unable to plan my ejaculations,  i take loratadine minutes after orgasm and it steal works with 50% power.
antihistamines work greatly in my case(loratadine and diphenhydramine for sleep).
loratadine works on h1 receptors. it improves 100% bodily symptoms and 50% of psycological ones for me specially if i take it 2 hours before ejaculation.
mechanism of disease:
when semen enters the urethra, immune system releases histamine.
Histamine exerts its actions by combining with specific cellular histamine receptors. The four histamine receptors that have been discovered in humans and animals are designated H1 through H4, and are all G protein-coupled receptors (GPCR).






Type   Location   Function
H1 histamine receptor   Found on smooth muscle, endothelium, and central nervous system tissue   Causes, bronchoconstriction, bronchial smooth muscle contraction, vasodilation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness; sleep and appetite suppression.
H2 histamine receptor   Located on parietal cells and vascular smooth muscle cells   Primarily involved in vasodilation. Also stimulate gastric acid secretion
H3 histamine receptor   Found on central nervous system and to a lesser extent peripheral nervous system tissue   Decreased neurotransmitter release: histamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine, serotonin
H4 histamine receptor   Found primarily in the basophils and in the bone marrow. It is also found on thymus, small intestine, spleen, and colon.   Plays a role in chemotaxis.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine#Mechanism_of_action


Decreased neurotransmitter release: histamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine, serotonin

this is the reason of psycological symptoms.
H1 receptors are the reason of physiological symptoms.

 

Hi,
We had a big discussion about histamine receptors over on poiscenter.
There's some stuff here http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=795.30.
I think it's best not to post about new theories over there (as it's against the rules) but you could read the posts if you want. The h3 idea isn't new. H3 blockers aren't widely available. Alternatives are mast cell stabilisers.

Just so you know, everyone releases histamine when there's an erection. When h2 blockers are given to someone, it impedes them getting an erection.
That doesn't mean there's not an immunological reaction going on here but the question is why are POIS sufferers different rather than why do POIS sufferers have histamine release upon an O.

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« Reply #17508 on: 05/01/2013 11:30:29 »

4) Lastly, speaking of abstaining, it is something that I finally managed to do for over 2 weeks now. My results so far have been mixed. I think I feel about 40-50% better. But I still have some brain fog and mild headache. This could be simply because I haven't abstained long enough and also because I have still been masturbating/having sex with my gf, but NO orgasm (I know it's really difficult though). I plan to keep abstaining indefinitely and see what happens (to see if I have constant pois, to see if I can feel normal again, and just to feel better overall).

K, thanks guys and I hope to post again soon! I'll be bock (arnold voice, ha).

And before I forget, thanks Herman for all that info you've been sharing with us! It's very interesting to read.
Do you feel the headache come on when you masturbate, even without orgasm i.e. release of seminal fluid.
I do... Not all POIS sufferers seem to have that problem or maybe they don't notice it. It's interesting...

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« Reply #17509 on: 05/01/2013 15:52:51 »
Vincent M, it is quite strange that you talk about  survival,  yet you need to procreate once a day ))
If you have masturbation addiction, then this is  your problem, if not I dont see a problem  staying away from sex.
If niacin  helps you  then most likely you are  over methylated

Okay,what supplements do you think an over-methylated person should take?

My minor problem is masturbation addiction, but my major problem is POIS. If you don't see a problem staying away from sex than my sex drive is obviously much higher than yours. I've been thinking of trying 5-htp to see if that might reduce my libido - I've heard some reports of it having that effect. SSRIs have reduced my libido in the past and thus also my masturbation frequency, but they worsened all my POIS symptoms which wasn't acceptable.

Prancer, I have read of those devices. Perhaps eventually I will try buying one. However I doubt I'd ever trust anyone to hold  a key for me especially with my social anxiety. I'd rather shoot myself than have paramedics try to cut one of those things off me.
« Last Edit: 05/01/2013 16:08:27 by Vincent M »
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #17510 on: 05/01/2013 21:59:00 »
Vincent M.   It has nothing to do with sex drive.  My sex drive is  much higher than yours I bet,  since my testosterone levels are really high now and  DHT is low.  In your case  your DHT(your  libido)  is killing you  by controlling your  thinking process,  and testosterone(erection and ability to perform)  is low  since  you are  missing   a lot of nutrients and you are in POIS.   It is silly to try stuff  out they way  you do,  why dont you  do   the blood  tests I will try to help you ...I need to know your body chemestry to  suggest you things.

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« Reply #17511 on: 05/01/2013 22:04:31 »
Chris,   as I mentioned  before ,  heavy exercise helps people with  problematic sodium level, since it stresses out the adrenal gland and it starts  pumping aldosterone,  which  in  turn  helps to  increase the accumulation  of sodium by  the kidneys.   But  if you do this  for a while,  you will burn out, and  also your  thyroid  will  adjust.  Your POIS will get  worse..I tried  this too,


I hope this helps.
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« Reply #17512 on: 05/01/2013 22:08:46 »
Vincent M,  when you  start  to  balance,  your  libido,( DHT)  unhealthy   obsessive compulsive  disorder,  will  diminish  a lot and  you will  have no problems obstaining from  sex, Your erections and ability to perform  will get  to the maximum. And  your brain will relax   feeling this inside power.  Now you are obsessed with it,  and constantly trying to prove yourself something.  I went  thru all  stages  of POIS.. I know  what you are going thru,  and I know how  bad this is.   

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« Reply #17513 on: 05/01/2013 22:38:51 »
Gbolduev, here is a general blood test I got from my GP a few months ago. Let me know if you see anything that sticks out to you. I had my thyroid hormones tested 3 times and they were fine every time.


White Blood Count         6.2K/UL            4.5-11.0
Red Blood Count          5.01M/UL                 4.70-6.10
Hemoglobin            15.1 g/dl            14.0-18.0
Hematocrit            42.6%            42.0-52.0
MCV                       85.0 fL            80.0-94.0
MCH                       30.1 pg            27.0-34.0
MCHC               35.4 g/dl            32.0-36.0
RDW               12.3%            11.0-15.0
MPV                       9.6 fL            7.4-10.4
Platelet Count            332 K/UL                 150-450
Neut%               54.7%            42.0-75.0
Lym%               32.3%            15.0-40.0
Mono%               12.0%         H   3.0-11.0
Eos%               0.5%            0.0-7.0
Baso%               0.3%            0.0-3.0
Neu#               3..3 K/mm3         1.5-7.7
Lym#               2.0 K/mm3         1.4-3.9
Mono#               0.7 K/mm3         0.2-1.0
Eos#               0.0 K/mm3         0.0-0.7
Baso#               0.0 K/mm3         0.0-0.3
IG%                       0.2%            0.0-1.0
IG#                       0.01 K/mm3         0.00-0.10

Test Name                                Result                    Flag     Reference
Sed Rate                                  5 mm/hr                           1-15

NA                      138.0 mmoI/L         137.0-145.0
K                      3.70 mmoI/L         3.60-5.30
Cl                      97.0 mmoI/L      L    98.0-110.0
CO2                      26.0 mmoI/L         22.0-32.0
Glucose               88 mg/dl                 65-99
BUN                      16.0 mg/dl                     7.0-23.0
Crea                      1.00 mg/dl                 0.70-1.30
Ca                      9.6 mg/dl                 0.70-1.30
Total Protein            8.80 g/dl            H    6.30-8.20
AlbuminP                   5.40 g/dl            H   3.50-5.00
AST                      25 iu/l            15-46
Alkaline Phosphase         61 iu/l            38-126
ALT                      7 iu/l                L   13-69
T. Bilirubin                   1.20 mg/dl                0.20-1.30
cGFR-AA                   >60 ML/MIN/1.7      60-125mL/min/1.73m/S/2
cGFR-O               >60 ML/MIN/1.7      60-125mL/min/1.73m/S/2
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Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #17514 on: 05/01/2013 22:55:35 »
Also my erections are fine. I do agree that if I had more energy my willpower to abstain would increase a bit, but it's silly to say that sex drive is not a factor in masturbation frequency.
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« Reply #17515 on: 06/01/2013 05:59:50 »
Do you feel the headache come on when you masturbate, even without orgasm i.e. release of seminal fluid.
I do... Not all POIS sufferers seem to have that problem or maybe they don't notice it. It's interesting...

Often I get a headache from just masturbating with no orgasm. Mainly though the effects I feel are cognitive problems such as unexplained mental exhaustion and a weird lightheaded feeling and also tightness feeling in my scalp. This is pretty much the same feeling I get after an orgasm, except it is a lot worse. I remember someone describing here one time a feeling like hot wax over their head. This is what I feel too, and it's one of my worst and most disliked pois symptoms; it also corresponds with a lot of brain fog/mental fatigue. POIS can be really weird.

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« Reply #17516 on: 06/01/2013 07:21:10 »
Also my erections are fine. I do agree that if I had more energy my willpower to abstain would increase a bit, but it's silly to say that sex drive is not a factor in masturbation frequency.

I don't think Herman's saying that sex drive/testosterone levels/etc are not factors in your desire to masturbate so frequently.  What he's saying is that sex drive is not your problem.  There are many factors that are likely influencing your desire to masturbate so frequently:
  • low serotonin levels can result in a significantly higher sex drive to the point of potential sexual addiction.
  • low dopamine can cause addictive behavior.
  • Also, Kurtosis would not let me forget that histamine levels play a large role too.  If you believe you need to wear a chastity belt, I'd bet your histamine levels are super high and you're very easily stimulated.
   
« Last Edit: 06/01/2013 08:11:33 by B_Daniel »
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #17517 on: 06/01/2013 07:42:37 »
Often I get a headache from just masturbating with no orgasm. Mainly though the effects I feel are cognitive problems such as unexplained mental exhaustion and a weird lightheaded feeling and also tightness feeling in my scalp. This is pretty much the same feeling I get after an orgasm, except it is a lot worse. I remember someone describing here one time a feeling like hot wax over their head. This is what I feel too, and it's one of my worst and most disliked pois symptoms; it also corresponds with a lot of brain fog/mental fatigue. POIS can be really weird.
Prancer

Hey Prancer! I dont experience a hot wax sensation, but like you, I get about a day of pois symptoms from edging.
« Last Edit: 06/01/2013 08:05:44 by B_Daniel »
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #17518 on: 06/01/2013 09:34:20 »
Vincent M.      When were these done?    Also   please post your  thyroid  tests here.  There is no such thing as  normal tests.  The ranges used in the labs are worthless/    The important thing is  how one gland  works against  another. 

Looking at your tests,  your problem is quite clear.  You  might be  in POIS type  1. ( I still need  the thyroid to prove that) .   Му e-mail  is gbolduev@mail.ru
Can you please send me stuff there. And I will respond to you with more explanation  on  what is  going on.

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« Reply #17519 on: 06/01/2013 09:49:19 »
VIncent  M?  your corstisol is low?

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« Reply #17520 on: 06/01/2013 15:55:41 »
how can one masturbate without O plz explain,i dont understand this..on a side not you people dont reply to me.i dont know if u dont see my post or just ignore

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« Reply #17521 on: 06/01/2013 16:28:59 »
how can one masturbate without O plz explain,i dont understand this..on a side not you people dont reply to me.i dont know if u dont see my post or just ignore

gondal4, I'm not sure what you mean. I see that joint pain and fatigue are part of your symptoms. Fenugreek + tea helped me with these two symptoms. 1/3 of a teaspoon of nutmeg will reduce my joint pain a lot, but will make me a little sleepy. You should take a look at the treatments that have helped me at this link: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513
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« Reply #17522 on: 06/01/2013 16:32:23 »
Vincent M.      When were these done?    Also   please post your  thyroid  tests here.  There is no such thing as  normal tests.  The ranges used in the labs are worthless/    The important thing is  how one gland  works against  another. 

Looking at your tests,  your problem is quite clear.  You  might be  in POIS type  1. ( I still need  the thyroid to prove that) .   Му e-mail  is gbolduev@mail.ru
Can you please send me stuff there. And I will respond to you with more explanation  on  what is  going on.


I don't know a good doctor to do tests for me at the moment.

Do you see any value in herbs for POIS? Are vitamins the only thing you think can help us?
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« Reply #17523 on: 06/01/2013 17:27:54 »
low serotonin levels can result in a significantly higher sex drive to the point of potential sexual addiction.

This is why I'm thinking about trying 5-htp.

low dopamine can cause addictive behavior.

I tried mucuna pruriens to address it through this pathway with no effect on libido. Ritalin does help reduce libido for me, although I think it does it by increasing my cognitive energy and thus my willpower in general.


Also, Kurtosis would not let me forget that histamine levels play a large role too.  If you believe you need to wear a chastity belt, I'd bet your histamine levels are super high and you're very easily stimulated.

H1 receptor inverse agonists such as benadryl and claritin have no effect on how easily I'm stimulated. Perhaps methionine might. Alcohol and klonopin on the other hand are somewhat effective at increasing the time it takes for me to become stimulated, although probably by depressing the CNS. My CNS is definitely overstimulated, but I'm not sure if high histamine is the reason behind that.

If Gbolduev wants to help me then he can tell me what I might want to take to address my high sex drive and stop repeating the same theories over and over again.
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« Reply #17524 on: 06/01/2013 17:48:26 »
Hi everyone, I was experiencing some post orgasm symptoms that led me to this forum (and to many others).  I have pretty much cured my POIS symptoms through diet, exercise, and supplementation, so I thought I would share my experience with anyone interested.  Also, I realize this is a science forum, so forgive my lack of scientific content, this is mostly just empirical evidence.

I began ejaculating when I was around 12-13, and ejaculated close to every day, many times multiple times a day, until I was 23, when I began experimenting with abstinence (NoFap).

My symptoms began when I was around 17 (I'm almost 30 now).  Symptoms included:
- Fatigue
- Social Anxiety
- General lack of interest in life
- Lack of Self-Confidence
- Constantly not feeling like myself
- Erectile Dysfunction
- Lower Back Pain
- Irritability
- Testicular Aching
- Something I don't know how to classify other than a hyper-active mind (ADD perhaps?)
- Also, my hair began to fall out when I was 17, which I consider to be exceptionally young

Of course, some of these "symptoms" may be attributed to puberty, and me generally being an asshole, but some of them, especially the physical ones, I found, were directly related to my body not being able to "keep up" with my sex drive.

So, eventually I found the NoFap community on Reddit.  Great group of people who have, or are trying to, give up masturbation all together.  Though this probably isn't the ideal solution for most men, for me, it works 100%.  All symptoms listed above disappeared or lessened greatly within 5 weeks of abstinence.

However, while not ejaculating cured my symptoms, I kept wondering why I was having trouble with frequency of ejaculation, and others were not.  So, my research took me to a popular bodybuilding forum, where I wanted to find out from men with good strong libidos and normal, healthy recovery times, what works and what doesn't.

So, obviously, these healthy men have several things in common, and they worked for me as well.  They are:
- Resistance Training… Increases testosterone production and blood flow to extremities.
- Cardio… Increases blood flow, generally just great for your body.
- Diet… For your hormonal levels to be optimum, so needs to be your body fat percentage.  The only way to lose fat is by eating at a "caloric deficit".

- Supplements… There is a massive amount of supplements that work to help the body produce testosterone and dopamine (which are chiefly responsible for the male libido), as well as help with things like semen production, smooth muscle relaxation, and circulation.
You'll have to do your own research on these and find something that works for you, but my current "stack" consists of:
- Multi-Vitamin…  to ensure that I don't have any deficiencies.  The one I take also has some libido and prostate supporting ingredients which is a bonus.
- Iron… because my multi doesn't contain it.  Careful not to over do it on the iron.
- ZMA… it contains zinc, magnesium, and vitamin b, all of which your body needs to produce test and semen.
- Omega 3's… Very good for sexual and brain health.  Also, your body needs cholesterol to produce testosterone, so be sure to get enough either through diet or supplementation.
- Amino Acids… These are essential for test and semen production as well.
- Maca… an "adaptogen", great for libido semen, and testosterone production.
- Horny Goat Weed… Smooth muscle relaxer, similar to prescription drugs for ED.
- L-DOPA (Mucuna Pruriens), converted to dopamine in the brain.

These all make noticeable improvements to my libido, reduce the sexual refractory period, and make erections easier to achieve and maintain.

 Here are some that I don't have experience with, but are worth looking into:
- D-Aspartic Acid… Amino acid that has been shown to increase testosterone.
- Ginseng… Possibly an adaptogen like Maca.  Really looking forward to trying it.
- Ginko… Apparently inhibits prolactin, as well as provides numorus other health benefits.
- Tribulus
- Eurycoma longifolia (Long Jack)
- Yohimbe… Be careful with this one as it is a stimulant and some people don't react well to it.
- L-Arginine
- Cissus
- Fenugreek… Raises testosterone
- DHA is interesting.  It can, however be synthesized from ALA.  It is essential for sperm production and many parts of the body, including testicles are made from it.
- L-tyrosine - Precurser to dopamine a norepinepherine - reduces stress hormones not as effective as L-DOPA.
- Reservatol - Studies in animals show that it increases testosterone and sperm production.
- GABA -  Neurotransmitter - Studies show it increases HGH in humans.
- Lecithin

Also, I recommend looking into the practice of "edging".  It's a way to experience some sexual pleasure and raise dopamine and testosterone levels,  without losing all of those valuable fluids and falling into the refractory period.  It's perhaps the thing that has helped me the most.

Anyway, you guys will have to do your own research and find out what works for you.  I hope this is legible enough to get the point across.  Just took a few minutes to write my findings down, so I HOPE IT HELPS!

Take Care,
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« Reply #17525 on: 06/01/2013 18:05:36 »
Vincent M,  why  would I go  with some herbs, if you  dont even know exactly how  they work. Medical knowledge is totally in control of things.  So far the only bullshitting done here is by you...My suggestions are simple.  DO the tests and you will get what is wrong with you. and how to fix it.  And people like you  go from one thing to another   , read the internet for what the herbs do  and completely  are unaware of the biochemistry...Not   the herbs make it .
This is  a systemic probl em and  this problem  is    way over you r head here.  But you  still  are going on  with your  OCD.
 I am not selling you  anything  .  I am trying to help  you from the  warmth of my heart..  And I get  the attitude from the guy , who has not  even submit ted  his tests.   You dont want to get better,  this POIS is your life now , you want to sit here and bs about  nothing  with all these people.  This is your choice. 

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« Reply #17526 on: 06/01/2013 18:33:46 »
Really dude? I've given you plenty of data. If you can't even say what treatments I *might* benefit from then you have no right claiming that you know everything about POIS.

I've read your theories. Most of it barely even relates to POIS. I don't have the time, money, or energy to go out and bug doctors for tests every time some self-deluded fool comes here claiming to know the cure for everything under the sun.
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« Reply #17527 on: 06/01/2013 18:38:12 »
Romuloid Raimus, I'm curious to know if you tested any of these supplements separately or if you just began them all at the same time.

I've had a lot of luck with herbs, but no luck with vitamins. Can you attribute any improvement specifically to the vitamins that you're taking or do you think most of your symptom reduction has been from the herbs?
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« Reply #17528 on: 06/01/2013 18:47:24 »
VIncent M,  what are you trying to do with methionine.   TO detoxify your liver you need choline, inositol  and methionine.  500 mg   3 times a day but it wont have  any effect on POIS even if you do this  for a year.  You  cant take  stuff before orgasm and hope for it to cure your POIS, since  it takes 3 months to break the cycle with no sex.

Okay I admit you did mention these things, but only for liver detoxification. Anyway I'm not going to get these tests for you any time soon so I guess I'm done talking to you.
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« Reply #17529 on: 06/01/2013 18:51:51 »
Most of the theories  are not related to POIS?  HAHAHAHA         I cured my POIS?    You? 
I gave a list of tests that I need for  POIS.  And not  some  BS  old test,  which misses half of the components.  How can you put anything into your body ,  DUDE,   if you dont know what your  chemestry is?   Your adrenals are shot from what I see,   I bet you  your thyroid is trying to compensate  for them,   Your ionized  calcium  is low, and your bound calcium  is high  since your albumin is high.   You have alkalosis.  Good luck  on fixing this  with herbs. LMAO

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« Reply #17530 on: 06/01/2013 19:06:53 »
Alright, so how might you fix those problems with vitamins?
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« Reply #17531 on: 06/01/2013 21:06:53 »
It would be interesting to hear from some of the POIS members you attempted to treat. How many POIS cases have you solved? I see you've been active on the Russian POIS site for at least a year now. Would any of our fellow sufferers over there have anything to say about your protocol?
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« Reply #17532 on: 06/01/2013 21:59:39 »
Romuloid Raimus, I'm curious to know if you tested any of these supplements separately or if you just began them all at the same time.

I've had a lot of luck with herbs, but no luck with vitamins. Can you attribute any improvement specifically to the vitamins that you're taking or do you think most of your symptom reduction has been from the herbs?

Good question... Yes, I've tested them all separately.  I feel a small improvement in symptoms from taking the multi-vitamin alone... I take it mainly for general health and well being, and like I said, to ensure I have no deficiencies.  The iron is precautionary as well.  ZMA, on the other hand, has a profound impact on me, and many who take it.  The ingredients are simple, but it is very powerful, maybe the most powerful in my stack.  I recommend that if you try it, you start with a low dose, and increase slowly.  I notice smaller-but-noticable improvements with the omega 3's and the aminos as well.  I take considerably low doses of everything in my stack, my logic being that its probably better to spread out your intake of these substances, rather than to take massive amounts of one or two.  Just seems more balanced to me.  Hope this helps.

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« Reply #17533 on: 06/01/2013 22:00:31 »
Vincent M,  I posted on the russian POIS site  on the same day I posted here, which is  couple of days before New Years,  since it was my New Years  resolution. 

Your problem is  that you    dont understand that  over and undermethylation  does not mean  anything for  POIS  sufferer at all...what  matters is dopamine/ serotonin   ratio.   That is why    you are   taking   stuff for low serotonin and low dopamine ,  taking SAMe and  all other   delitant  stuff  where you  have to be  fixing  the actual ratio of dopamine/serotonin.     If you  have  low serotonin and high dopamine  and  you take SAMe, you will get  screwed. LMAO     
Most severe POIS suffers are mixed,  with  screwed up  dopamine./ serotonin  level...    You cant know that ratio from blood tests ,since  the levels  are changing really fast.... this is  systemic  knowledge,  that is why you should give me tests and stop being a delitant in  denial, LMAO

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« Reply #17534 on: 07/01/2013 00:58:24 »
Good question... Yes, I've tested them all separately.  I feel a small improvement in symptoms from taking the multi-vitamin alone... I take it mainly for general health and well being, and like I said, to ensure I have no deficiencies.  The iron is precautionary as well.  ZMA, on the other hand, has a profound impact on me, and many who take it.  The ingredients are simple, but it is very powerful, maybe the most powerful in my stack.  I recommend that if you try it, you start with a low dose, and increase slowly.  I notice smaller-but-noticable improvements with the omega 3's and the aminos as well.  I take considerably low doses of everything in my stack, my logic being that its probably better to spread out your intake of these substances, rather than to take massive amounts of one or two.  Just seems more balanced to me.  Hope this helps.

-RR

Thanks for your detailed response. I have tried magnesium and zinc with no effect, but they weren't good quality and I only took them for about a week. How long did you have to take the vitamins for before you noticed an improvement?
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« Reply #17535 on: 07/01/2013 01:07:17 »
Ah. So I see that you haven't successfully treated anyone else's POIS except yours, Herman.
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« Reply #17536 on: 07/01/2013 01:08:58 »
Vincent M,  I posted on the russian POIS site  on the same day I posted here, which is  couple of days before New Years,  since it was my New Years  resolution. 

Your problem is  that you    dont understand that  over and undermethylation  does not mean  anything for  POIS  sufferer at all...what  matters is dopamine/ serotonin   ratio.   That is why    you are   taking   stuff for low serotonin and low dopamine ,  taking SAMe and  all other   delitant  stuff  where you  have to be  fixing  the actual ratio of dopamine/serotonin.     If you  have  low serotonin and high dopamine  and  you take SAMe, you will get  screwed. LMAO     
Most severe POIS suffers are mixed,  with  screwed up  dopamine./ serotonin  level...    You cant know that ratio from blood tests ,since  the levels  are changing really fast.... this is  systemic  knowledge,  that is why you should give me tests and stop being a delitant in  denial, LMAO

If you really have a "pure heart" and want to help some people here, the worst you can do it's to laugh at them and the possible effects they can suffer. If you really suffered a bad POIS, I do not know how you dare to treat so bad some people with the same condition as you. Your "LMAO" bs is not appropiate here, stick it *somewhere else* ::) we are talking about our deepest feelings and our own life; If you really want to help them, you can offer your advice, your counsel, your scientific reasoning about POIS and how you obtained it, BUT NOT your attacks. They don't deserve to stand your mockery.
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« Reply #17537 on: 07/01/2013 02:03:59 »
Good question... Yes, I've tested them all separately.  I feel a small improvement in symptoms from taking the multi-vitamin alone... I take it mainly for general health and well being, and like I said, to ensure I have no deficiencies.  The iron is precautionary as well.  ZMA, on the other hand, has a profound impact on me, and many who take it.  The ingredients are simple, but it is very powerful, maybe the most powerful in my stack.  I recommend that if you try it, you start with a low dose, and increase slowly.  I notice smaller-but-noticable improvements with the omega 3's and the aminos as well.  I take considerably low doses of everything in my stack, my logic being that its probably better to spread out your intake of these substances, rather than to take massive amounts of one or two.  Just seems more balanced to me.  Hope this helps.

-RR

Thanks for your detailed response. I have tried magnesium and zinc with no effect, but they weren't good quality and I only took them for about a week. How long did you have to take the vitamins for before you noticed an improvement?

Several hours.  Perhaps I should note that I only take high quality supplements, i.e. I buy from the big brands only.
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« Reply #17538 on: 07/01/2013 04:12:06 »
This forum sure is a lot more exciting without a strict moderator :P

VM you can't just send random labs and assume that the answer is within there, you know that.  Herman, it takes time and a track record to prove you know what you're talking about.  We have over 700 pages of "cures" that largely don't work so we're all trained to be skeptical.  We're from all around the world speaking many diff languages... Plus we all suffer from a disease that makes us irritable!  So let's be more understanding.  At the end of the day, we're jsut trying to help one another.

I think I'm the only person to send Herman most of the blood work he's requested.  Upon first glance, he noticed something that my doctor completely missed: a Free T3 to Reverse T3 ratio that's extremely low (24 is ideal, 20 and lower is bad; mine is a 10).  So I guess that's the extent of his track record.  I need to get a couple more labs for herman before i continue moving down the road.  I'll keep everyone posted how things work out.  I believe nomore is also getting herman's labwork done.
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« Reply #17539 on: 07/01/2013 04:24:33 »
Thanks for your detailed response. I have tried magnesium and zinc with no effect, but they weren't good quality and I only took them for about a week. How long did you have to take the vitamins for before you noticed an improvement?

Several hours.  Perhaps I should note that I only take high quality supplements, i.e. I buy from the big brands only.

That's fast to get results from vitamins. I should try some high quality ones next time. Thanks for letting us know what worked for you.
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« Reply #17540 on: 07/01/2013 04:31:25 »
Daniel, I agree with what you said. Also it's good that you let us know how Herman is attempting to treat you. I hope everyone who emails Herman will keep us all in the loop so that information isn't lost to us.
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« Reply #17541 on: 07/01/2013 05:00:52 »
Thanks VM- Yeah I'll def keep ya'll updated!
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« Reply #17542 on: 07/01/2013 07:23:34 »
Observercenter   and Vincent M,

I think  the attacks  started from the  other end. I can always  quit  and go away. But I wont.  It is  just silly to judge someone just because you yourself  are not aware . I сured my POIS, I dont  feel the irritability. So I guess  I am sorry if   I dont completely put myself into your shoes. I know  it sucks. 
But one thing  I gaurantee you  is that I know how to cure this thing . Each person   is different, and I would never try to give any cures  untill I see tests.( it does not make sense at all).   
When I  was in POIS   I would listen to anyone to get rid of this thing.  I would pay any money  to get rid of this thing. 
So for me it is hard to understand  when  someone denies help, especially  from someone who is  a lot more clear on this particular topic.
As an example , on the Russian POIS site,  the moderator   put  the blood tests that   I require  in the  head topic of the forum, so everyone   can see those and   have a chance for the cure...This is called  team work... 
6  tests, and a  chance to get cured for free,  arent you tired of this thing?

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« Reply #17543 on: 07/01/2013 10:56:52 »
Kurtosis,

I have sent some info  to Daniel.  I think  you will find it very useful.   And may be we  can collaborate on this, since you have  been on this forum  for a while   and  you seem to be  quite aware.  You might help me  convience  these people  that  there is no way  one should be  shooting in the dark with this  with no tests.  Calcium metabolism is impaired in  POIS sufferers and  if you  take wrong stuff,  you could have a heart attack, people,  wake up.

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« Reply #17544 on: 07/01/2013 15:08:57 »
Hi,

An update after 2 and half months of after starting Calcium channel blocker.  Presently I can say it is best medicine I found for my POIS say 60% of my POIS depth has been cured now.  Further, now after orgasm I am not getting any POIS effects, rather after stress, travelling, nightout i am getting POIS symptoms. 

Disadvantage:  Increased 8 kg in 2 months.  Doctors telling to continue for next four months.  But decided to quit as my weight reached 100.  Will update the more updates.  Soon.

@ German:  I thankful for your help in this site.  Pl explain, how calcium channel blocker i.e. fluneraize helps me in reducing the depth of my POIS.  further, I already done all the tests prescribed by you and I will get the result on 10th of this month.  I will mail you all my results. 

Finally thanking for this forum. 


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« Reply #17545 on: 07/01/2013 15:37:30 »
one thing  I gaurantee you  is that I know how to cure this thing .

I still disagree with you on this point, but as Daniel said there's no point in fighting amongst ourselves.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #17546 on: 07/01/2013 15:51:04 »
OK, Vincent,  no hard feelings.

Good luck,
Herman

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« Reply #17547 on: 07/01/2013 16:02:28 »
Nathan,

Flunarizine inhibits the influx of extracellular calcium through myocardial and vascular membrane pores by physically plugging the channel. The decrease in intracellular calcium inhibits the contractile processes of smooth muscle cells, causing dilation of the coronary and systemic arteries, increased oxygen delivery to the myocardial tissue, decreased total peripheral resistance, decreased systemic blood pressure, and decreased afterload.

Basically this effects the permeability of your cells, and most  this effects your thyroid hormones, since with little  calcium  in the cell,  you get more pottasium there,  which makes your cells more sensetive to  thyroid hormones.



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« Reply #17548 on: 07/01/2013 16:19:48 »
Nathan,  the only problem with this that I see, if   this blocks  the channel physically completely  not only calcium  pathway.,  then  I guess the  thyroid  hormones might not get in  at all .. and thus you are gaining weight,  but your ionized calcium  gets restored in blood,  and you  feel better.   

If this is  the case,  than  this  channel  calcium blocker  blocks the channel  physically  and your  thyroid  hormones dont enter the cell, then this is  not good, and that is why you are  gaining weight,since your thyroid is totally deactivated. 

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« Reply #17549 on: 07/01/2013 16:26:50 »
so there are 2 ways with this calcium channel blocker,   I did not produce it so I dont know exactly how it works.  But from you  gaining weight I would assume it  is blocking the pathway completely,  which is  very very bad. Since  your  thryoid  will  adjust  to even higher,  and when you quit   the channel blocker,  in a while you will have a major problem.