Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18150 on: 30/04/2013 04:32:53 »
More Good News from daveman. People living in and near spain can you consider this. It can be the breakthrough we are looking for.
                                                                                         


Dr. Salamanca of Madrid, who has worked with us in the past, and who did a POIS survey, which we announced here and which many of you answered,
has begun a new treatment which seems to have fairly good results.

Unfortunately I do not know much about the treatment, but have heard from at least one of his patients, who has reported good results from this treatment.

Dr. Salamanca is looking for people near Spain who could participate in more extensive tests
of this treatment.

Those who are interested, would have to go to his office in Madrid, as the tests require strict control and regular monitoring.

Members interested would have to be pre-screened and several tests would have to be taken beforehand. Unfortunately I do not know how often you would
be required to report to his office.

Interested members send me and Demo a PM expressing your interest, and we will pass your EMail and data to the good doctor, from whence you could continue
your contact personally.

I'm sorry that he cannot open the testing for now without personal appearances in his office, we could reach many more of you this way, but it
is important that these initial tests are controlled and closely monitored.

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« Reply #18151 on: 01/05/2013 16:58:29 »
Hi another interested fact on POIS. 

As i posted around 4 to 5 months back, When I was in POIS, my AEC count was 1500 whereas the normal range is 300 to 400.  As I updated from the past one and half month, I cured from POIS due to traditional ayurvedic treatment.  Last week, I undergone AEC test again to know is there any variation after curing from POIS.  surprisiing to know that now AEC count come to normal range and it is only 350.   


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« Reply #18152 on: 02/05/2013 07:54:00 »
With POIS my brain feels dim like when someone dims a light bulb. It takes more time & effort to think even about basic things. And sometimes even simple things stress me out because my thoughts are so repetitive. Along with the physical fatigue, the mental fatigue is just so much worse for me.

About the eosinophil count, I read that high eosinophils are caused mostly by allergies or another immune response, so very interesting.

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« Reply #18153 on: 02/05/2013 12:53:51 »
Nathan,

AEC came down ,since you were taking antiparasites  medicine. Your POIS was  from  parasites.   And parasites  were from  low  acid in your stomach,  which was  causes by low thyroid.  Low thyroid  stays  as it was, and parasites will come back .  I  saw many  people get rid of POIS by drinking antiparasites  stuff,  especially in  India, where it is considered a problem.  After a  while the same  problem always came back , since  body chemistry  was not changed and parasites  wont go away.

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« Reply #18154 on: 03/05/2013 09:51:47 »
Listen guys,
You've been posting thousands of posts and I think that maybe the sollution for this problem is very simple - not that you need testosterone, because you're less man (especially because lots of you have normal testosterone). I figured out, that maybe, just maybe you just MASTURBATE TOO FAST.
Just try, because it took me years to work on my technique and not have the feeling of guilt and hangover after masturbation. For 10-15 minutes masturbate as slow as you can, and after that speed it up. Instead of hangoer you'll be having a long lasting feeling of pleasure. That's from my observations. Maybe you guys, just writing here are so impressed by the big energy and speed that you just do that too fast. Oh come on... even if you do that with yourself you still need a foreplay.

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« Reply #18155 on: 03/05/2013 11:40:25 »
Listen guys,
You've been posting thousands of posts and I think that maybe the sollution for this problem is very simple - not that you need testosterone, because you're less man (especially because lots of you have normal testosterone). I figured out, that maybe, just maybe you just MASTURBATE TOO FAST.
Just try, because it took me years to work on my technique and not have the feeling of guilt and hangover after masturbation. For 10-15 minutes masturbate as slow as you can, and after that speed it up. Instead of hangoer you'll be having a long lasting feeling of pleasure. That's from my observations. Maybe you guys, just writing here are so impressed by the big energy and speed that you just do that too fast. Oh come on... even if you do that with yourself you still need a foreplay.

I do think that most guys can masturbate quite frequently and in any way without severe consequences. How would this i.e. explain the flu like symptoms? I would agree to having feelings of guilt after masturbation, is quite troublesome. Reminds me of all the porn I consumed throughout the years. I do not really want to masturbate any longer since i know this effects my state of mind negatively. Upon masturbation I do get a different breathing that sometimes effects my heart, almost like a cardiac arrest for a millisecond.
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« Reply #18156 on: 03/05/2013 13:54:20 »
Found a very interesting post on yourbrainonporn.com, a guy struggling to deal with porn addiction:

- "After that, I was struggling for one month to get myself back on track with rebooting. There were relapses every few days, at least two of them with porn. I realised I had to stop visiting those dating sites immediately. It was hard, because I was already chatting with some girls, and had a prospect of at least three dates. Nevertheless, I blocked all the sites.
Now I'm back on track and this is my day 16 of no PMO. First week I experienced some cravings, but I managed.
Second week there were another bunch of symptoms that I hadn't experienced before: severe anxiety (fear of losing my mind), depression, feelings of worthlessness, whole week-long flu (which may or may not be related to my reboot)."

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« Reply #18157 on: 03/05/2013 13:56:33 »
Okay..
Do an experiment. Lay on a bed and move your arms as slow as you can. Just fold your elbows with the greatest slowlyness you can. Move for at least two hours like that (that is a long experiment). Work=slowlyness, in this case. What you'll feel in your entire body.. is something near to orgasm and you'll feel that less, but for quite a longer time.
Recently I just watched one guy on YTb prooving, that there's nothing better, (in working in gym), than very slow progress, that makes the training more efficient.
YOU will never know, unless you try.
Besides.
Lots of guys said that they have normal testosterone and most of the body parameters where normal. Yet some still claim that the testosterone is guilty. Well... maybe a higher dose of testosterone (being on dope) can mask the problem, but still not solve the problem.
I do not have POIS. But... if there's somebody with POIS willing to try, I can give you some courage saying it would be a little blast of irony - thousands tried to find the most complicated answer ever when the sollution is much more than simple.

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« Reply #18158 on: 04/05/2013 12:01:34 »
Hi nathan123

Can you make A Summary about your treatment,and what you advise us to do..
if there is Herbs please tell us how ..
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« Reply #18159 on: 08/05/2013 09:26:47 »
I have adrenal dysfunction/fatigue and this might be cause of my pois,can someone suggest anything to overcome adrenal fatigue specifically?

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« Reply #18160 on: 08/05/2013 17:40:14 »
I have adrenal dysfunction/fatigue and this might be cause of my pois,can someone suggest anything to overcome adrenal fatigue specifically?
Can you tell me what POIS feels like to you, I think I am also suffering the same.
Thanks.

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« Reply #18161 on: 08/05/2013 18:42:44 »
The taste of beer, without any effect from alcohol itself, can trigger dopamine release in the brain, which is associated with drinking and other drugs of abuse, according to Indiana University School of Medicine researchers.


I've noticed that if i have 1 - 1.5 beers, my POIS seems to get better and I feel happier.  We know there's a relationship between dopamine and POIS, so this makes sense.  However, alcohol makes my pois worse in other ways, so after beer #2 I typically no longer feel as good.  I'll have to try the fake beer, and see how that makes me feel.  Interesting post. 
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18162 on: 16/05/2013 09:19:18 »
Hi guys!

Long time no see.For a long time I thought that POIS is either a symptom of diabetes or adrenal insufficiency but rarely I get the symptoms without even having orgasm or pulling down my pants.

There has been countless amount of threads that low dopamine could be the culprit.Let me tell you this.
I did genetic testing as well as a good female friend.
Our genome is the closest,we think the same and we've been through the same traumas and we share the same symptoms (except POIS).

This will surprise you but her lab results showed EXCESSIVE DOPAMINE.I'm really paranoid and AFAIK that is a symptom of high dopamine.Do have tremors but that could be easily explained by the excessive adrenaline just the way her lab results show.

When I get POIS triggered without masturbation it's usually when I look up a porn site or thinking about doing so.I think porn makes such a crazy spike in dopamine it's too much for the ANS to handle therefore your prolactin shoots up sky high to avoid brain and heart damage from the dopamine overload.

I have been very paranoid the past months and since I started smoking again I have lost motivation to exercise,feel chronic fatigue and started eating junk foods again.But the main thing is that my paranoia has lessened also.A study I've found says that people who smoke have usually high dopamine and that's how why they brain look for stimulants to try to keep the levels at bay.

I understand you will tell me that you have POIS after having sex but here's my theory: porn creates permanent damage in your brain.So does SSRIs (my case) and it's been the trigger for my POIS.
You remember your high school years where you couldn't fall asleep before an exam although you have calmed yourself down?
That is because you aren't controlling your body,it's controlling you! Your subconscious mind controlls you.
If it's occupied with negative thoughts you will have negative outcome doesn't matter if you have a clear mind,you have no idea what's going on with you subconsciously and I do think some kind of remorse or past time trauma is acting up.
I remember barricading myself in my own room with chairs and stuff and even locked the door (notice paranoid,addictive high dopamine personality) so no one could come in and I can do my masturbation sessions happily.
But prior to that I remember being caught by my mother, she opened up on me when I was standing there naked shooting my load on the floor and being embarassed.That was 10 years ago and I clearly remember her words (notice PTSD) and trying to make me feel remorse (rewiring my brain that masturbation is wrong)
So many years have passed and we have never talked about this.And I can guarantee that you can feel calm,you can make yourself feel relaxed but your subconscious mind knows what's going on and if it senses a person giving you PTSD in the past and is nearby,you will end up with POIS no matter what.
I think PTSD could be one cause for POIS.

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« Reply #18164 on: 16/05/2013 14:37:31 »
Awesome link Starsky! Reason why I was thinking of adrenal problems is because I tend to be very hypoglycemic and I was controlling my POIS for a long time by eating a protein & carb rich meal 30 minutes prior to masturbation.
I did the same thing yesterday but my carb intake has been reduced because I desperately want to lose fat but unable to due to hypothyroidism.I was eating 1500 calories a day and when I was close to 2500 my POIS symptoms were kept at bay with minimal cognitive symptoms.
I guess it's better to be fat and happy than suffer and hope to lose some weight so I'm going back to 2500 a day and report back on POIS.

By the way I also started to take trace minerals and found out I'm severly lithium deficient.Lithium is needed for B12 transportation so if you are deficient you'll be B12 deficient also and that's not all.It's also needed for cobalt to get into the cell wall.Another deficiency.
So after 4-5 days of taking liquid trace minerals,because of the lithium I was feeling so alert,my perfectionism has disappeared,I used words that I've never used before and my speech was fast and intellectual,I looked in the mirror and accepted myself,I was optimistic,my vision cleared up due to the serotonin boost from happiness.My mind was sharp and was horny as hell so I was 3 days orgasm free then masturbated to get relief.
POIS hit me bad,the easiest way I can put it is that it dropped my IQ by 50 points right after ejaculation so I came back to you guys as now I know how does it feel to be alert and think clearly and I want to get it back no matter what.

I'm also on a gluten and dairy free diet but didn't notice feeling any better,yet when I went to eating gluten I felt like the food was sitting in my stomach all day and were unable to concentrate so it's definetly bad for me.
http://www.kingmaker.net/deaddoctorssum2.htm
http://www.abundalife.com/cobalt.html (scroll down)
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« Reply #18165 on: 16/05/2013 14:52:24 »
drlwilson.com

I think you will find many answers there, over 800! interesting articles, you have there something like a free program that fits all. Im on the Herman vitamin program which has a lot with Dr Willson knowledge in common and it all seems very true.
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« Reply #18166 on: 17/05/2013 01:43:53 »
I found out that high serotonin symptoms (released after sex along with prolactin and dopamine) http://mindrenewal.us/page10.html
Serotonin excess also explains my painful diarrhea since there is a high amount of serotonin in the intestines.
Also, thyroid conditions (hypo/hyperthyroidism) have similar symptoms to POIS.

Yet I can't find the answer to key questions. What normalizes serotonin/prolactin/dopamine levels after ejaculation? What is the relationship between thyroid hormones and sex/ejaculation? Relationship between adrenal hormones and sex/ejaculation? Body chemistry while sexually aroused? What exactly happens when semen enters in contact with blood, desensitization?


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« Reply #18167 on: 17/05/2013 04:05:07 »
I found out that high serotonin symptoms (released after sex along with prolactin and dopamine) http://mindrenewal.us/page10.html
Serotonin excess also explains my painful diarrhea since there is a high amount of serotonin in the intestines.
Also, thyroid conditions (hypo/hyperthyroidism) have similar symptoms to POIS.

Yet I can't find the answer to key questions. What normalizes serotonin/prolactin/dopamine levels after ejaculation? What is the relationship between thyroid hormones and sex/ejaculation? Relationship between adrenal hormones and sex/ejaculation? Body chemistry while sexually aroused? What exactly happens when semen enters in contact with blood, desensitization?



if you mean blood as in blood stream semen does not go there. It goes in the layer between skin and muscle.
In that layer the semen interacts with immune cells. Because of the slow build up of concentration and high frequency, the body builds antiblocking igg cells against allergy reaction.
Normal allergic reaction  is made worse by ige cells and other immune cells that cause the cascade of reaction.
igg blocks that.

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« Reply #18168 on: 17/05/2013 06:04:53 »
drlwilson.com

I think you will find many answers there, over 800! interesting articles, you have there something like a free program that fits all. Im on the Herman vitamin program which has a lot with Dr Willson knowledge in common and it all seems very true.

Please compare ... www.drlwilson.com/do%20hair%20analysis.htm
with ... www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

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« Reply #18169 on: 17/05/2013 06:13:41 »
... Serotonin excess also explains my painful diarrhea since there is a high amount of serotonin in the intestines ...

You mentioned previously that you had been diagnosed with Crohn's Disease , that routinely causes diarrhoea ...

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Abdominal pain may be the initial symptom of Crohn's disease. It is often accompanied by diarrhea ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohn%27s_disease
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« Reply #18170 on: 17/05/2013 19:25:45 »
I know, but I am in remission, zero diarrhea and little pain, that is, until I ejaculate. POIS triggers the diarrhea.

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« Reply #18171 on: 17/05/2013 21:06:09 »
I know, but I am in remission, zero diarrhea and little pain, that is, until I ejaculate. POIS triggers the diarrhea.

More likely some consequence of orgasm triggers your IBD ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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« Reply #18172 on: 18/05/2013 13:12:40 »
Do anyone of you get facial swelling,puffiness after ejaculation? Also,do you have low sodium levels?
Seem to be silly questions but I need you to answer them.

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« Reply #18173 on: 18/05/2013 14:45:59 »
I dont have it

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« Reply #18174 on: 19/05/2013 09:52:19 »
I can happily report that after 4-5 days (don't remember exactly,POIS comes with amnesia for me) of abstaining,big spoon of cod liver oil daily,lots of digestive enzymes,B12,niacin,liquid trace minerals,trying to eat more calories and rest  I'm around 90% of what I was prior ejaculation.That 10% is exactly what I want,using words I've never used before in a conversation and speaking fluidly.
Still trying to figure out what I'm missing.

The puffy face after ejaculation could indicate Addison's-type phenomen.Or the other extremity, a form of Cushing's maybe?
Definetly adrenal related issue and not allergic reaction in my case.I get it after heavy exercise also.

Somewhere I remember reading a guy's post over the web that people with adrenal fatigue/insufficiency can't make up for the huge demand of GH secretion during heavy exercise because of the low cortisol,that's why they end up with a swollen face the very next day.

It could still be a culprit. The "21st century stress syndrome" + PTSD + rewired brain from porn = POIS  ?
And if that's the case,starvation is the worst thing you can do to your adrenals and that's the reason it hit me so bad last time.
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« Reply #18175 on: 19/05/2013 10:02:47 »
Do anyone of you get facial swelling,puffiness after ejaculation? Also,do you have low sodium levels?
Seem to be silly questions but I need you to answer them.

I get pale and look dead and weak in the face after ejaculation  ;D
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« Reply #18176 on: 19/05/2013 10:13:23 »
I think PTSD could be one cause for POIS.

I most certainly suffered a complete mental breakdown 10 years ago most likely followed by PTSD. However I do believe porn came first, then porn-addiction, then some physical change like allergy to semen, then the complete mental breakdown and after that POIS.

I am quite certain that, at my worst moments, I today have only 5 % of the brain capacity I had 10 years ago. Sometimes when I do fun things like programming, I would say I get up to 75 %, however I am starting to think I am nowadays addicted to computers and Internet and get up to 75 % capacity then followed by a severe drop in mood and performance after it.

It seems that whatever I do nowadays, I develop an addiction to it.
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« Reply #18177 on: 19/05/2013 10:19:34 »
Some foods and ingredients make me more horny, pasta most certainly and nicotinamide. Is it because I get more energy or does it trigger something?

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« Reply #18178 on: 19/05/2013 13:09:59 »
Has anyone cured from POIS been able to consume porn in quantity and still not suffer from symptoms?

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« Reply #18180 on: 20/05/2013 11:07:28 »
"The main ingredient of S.S.R.I. anti-depressant drugs is fluoride, so they they dramatically increase the likelihood of thyroid disorders, and in some cases may be the primary cause. S.S.R.I. drugs are also notorious for causing nutritional deficiencies by reducing the absorption of nutrients in the gastrointestinal tract. Without the proper nutrients, hypothyroidism cannot be cured, because those nutrients are needed to balance the hormones, and strengthen the thyroid. S.S.R.I. drugs reduce usable calcium in the body, and thereby make magnesium unusable; since magnesium and calcium are interdependent."

source: http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/211-how-to-cure-hypothyroidism-naturally.html

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« Reply #18181 on: 20/05/2013 17:05:53 »
Hi, from the god sake POIS not bounce back even after one and half month and having an avg of three o's in a week. 
Today visited the doctor for further appointment had a discussion for 2 hours and I would like to explain the discussion as per with my doctor. 

In the earlier post, I posted only there was only numerological imbalance in me due to over masturbation resulted in POIS.  Today I asked in depth.  As per doctor for me, there was a over stimulation of acetylcholine parasympathetic nervous system.  Due to there was a imbalance in CNS and over production of acetycholine leading to imbalance in brain chemistry.  Further, there was also imbalance in digestive system and function of liver.  That's why he has prescribed me four different varieties (one for CNS, one for digestion, one for parasite and another for stress and another for increasing vitamin C i.e. amla juice) and also suggested to follow one diet system for one month so that brain chemeistry should be normal. 

After following the medicine and diet, brain chemistry i.e. ratio of various hormones and CNS came normal.  He warned if any time continues Over masturbation for one month, again POIS will come.   

To confirm this, pl check google for symtoms of over stimulation of acetylcholine parasympathetic nervous system and also for symtoms of high acetycholine.  Also for masturbation and acetycholine parasympathetic nervous system.

Also I found one of the symtoms of high acetycholine is flu like symtoms that we have in POIS. 

Further he also mentioned that there is no medicine to restore this in allopathy medicine.  for this the only solution through herbal. 


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« Reply #18182 on: 20/05/2013 20:53:50 »
Nathan,

If you read my previous posts that is what  I wrote exactly,    about acethycholine and gaba imbalance and  POIS as an effect of post marijuana  smoking.

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« Reply #18183 on: 20/05/2013 21:21:22 »
Acethylcholine  GABA balance is   adrenal  thyroid  balance,   copper zinc/     
One day  you will remember what I told you .  Make sure   to keep your  zinc  and thyroid up and your Gaba will be up and you wont have  acethylcholine overload.  But some people  have it  other way  around,  and in both cases,  you will  end up with  estrogen   dominance,  like you had,   high thyroid or low thyroid  equals  estrogen  dominance and POIS

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« Reply #18184 on: 21/05/2013 07:50:51 »
Acethylcholine  GABA balance is   adrenal  thyroid  balance,   copper zinc/     
One day  you will remember what I told you .  Make sure   to keep your  zinc  and thyroid up and your Gaba will be up and you wont have  acethylcholine overload.  But some people  have it  other way  around,  and in both cases,  you will  end up with  estrogen   dominance,  like you had,   high thyroid or low thyroid  equals  estrogen  dominance and POIS

TRUE! I have choline deficiency. Hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue will be enough to give you POIS.
I'm like 6 days ejaculation free and just started having symptoms of POIS without even doing anything at all.
Now I really really feel that my POIS is tied together with adrenal fatigue and it will have more impact on me if I masturbate in the morning but not in the evening.

Why? Most likely because my cortisol is low in the morning and high in the evening. It's the blood sugar imbalance + low cortisol induced by AF that triggers this nightmare but the funny thing is I can get rid of this feeling if I go eat something that elevates my blood sugar and take a 30 minute nap on the bed.

If I ejaculate it will take me 4-5 days to recover.Having a hard time thinking right now but it also could be brain inflammation from heavy metal toxicity that over-excites the neurons and that leads to AF and POIS.

Is there any of you who haven't started masturbating to porn in their teens? Why can't I see 50 or 60 years old POIS patients around?
I'm guessing that porn does permanent damage to the developing brain and will alter firing rate in those WHO ARE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED TO IT.

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« Reply #18185 on: 21/05/2013 12:21:29 »
Nathan,

If you read my previous posts that is what  I wrote exactly, about acethycholine and gaba imbalance and  POIS as an effect of post marijuana  smoking.

I have never smoked anything in my entire life and I have POIS.

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« Reply #18186 on: 21/05/2013 14:51:46 »
Hi All,

I had a 12 days vacation in a tropical country ; As I was in holiday, I O everyday ; Strangely, I felt great(maybe 20% of my usual POIS symtoms) ; what is interesting I spent two days in the mountains(2400m altitude) and my POIS symtoms came back. For me 4 explanations :
-No stress = less POIS ; in addition being in hollidays, we don't need to use our brain so POIS is less noticable
-Food was different : i ate a lot of fruit and raw food
-The climate has an important in POIS(not the first one too notice)..I would like to understand what in the climate has an influence inb biochemistry ; D vit ? What elses.
-O everyday allow me to remain reasonably high and not experience deep POIS symtoms(not the first one also to try this strategy)

Since I'm back, I stopped Sex and I slowly dive into POIS symtoms to reach a peak about 1 week after.

It's very similar to after drug usage crash ; It's like I was high for 10 days and now i've been down for a week.

I thought it could help.

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« Reply #18187 on: 21/05/2013 15:17:20 »
Hi, from the god sake POIS not bounce back even after one and half month and having an avg of three o's in a week. 
Today visited the doctor for further appointment had a discussion for 2 hours and I would like to explain the discussion as per with my doctor. 

In the earlier post, I posted only there was only numerological imbalance in me due to over masturbation resulted in POIS.  Today I asked in depth.  As per doctor for me, there was a over stimulation of acetylcholine parasympathetic nervous system.  Due to there was a imbalance in CNS and over production of acetycholine leading to imbalance in brain chemistry.  Further, there was also imbalance in digestive system and function of liver.  That's why he has prescribed me four different varieties (one for CNS, one for digestion, one for parasite and another for stress and another for increasing vitamin C i.e. amla juice) and also suggested to follow one diet system for one month so that brain chemeistry should be normal. 

After following the medicine and diet, brain chemistry i.e. ratio of various hormones and CNS came normal.  He warned if any time continues Over masturbation for one month, again POIS will come.   

To confirm this, pl check google for symtoms of over stimulation of acetylcholine parasympathetic nervous system and also for symtoms of high acetycholine.  Also for masturbation and acetycholine parasympathetic nervous system.

Also I found one of the symtoms of high acetycholine is flu like symtoms that we have in POIS. 

Further he also mentioned that there is no medicine to restore this in allopathy medicine.  for this the only solution through herbal.

Problem is symtoms of excess or deficience acetilcholine or pretty much the same ; My doc prescribed me two drugs to try : it's deanol and sulbutiamine ; they apparently both stimulates cholinergic activity ; As I fell like sh1t anyways, i'll give a try...i should be fixed about wich side I am.

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« Reply #18188 on: 21/05/2013 15:50:00 »
Nathan,

If you read my previous posts that is what  I wrote exactly, about acethycholine and gaba imbalance and  POIS as an effect of post marijuana  smoking.

I have never smoked anything in my entire life and I have POIS.

Look, i don't the raionale on smoking an acethycholine imbalance.  But over masturbation or over sex leads to high acethycholine imbalance.  For me the problem was come from over masturbation and leading to over stimulation of acethycholine parasthetic nervous system and resulting in over production of sex hormones i.e. acethycholine leading to imbalance in other hormones in the brain.  I never spoken on smoke.  To confirm my view you just search in google for excesssive masturbation and acethycholine. 
« Last Edit: 21/05/2013 15:52:26 by nathan123 »

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« Reply #18189 on: 21/05/2013 17:30:19 »
Hi All,

I had a 12 days vacation in a tropical country ; As I was in holiday, I O everyday ; Strangely, I felt great(maybe 20% of my usual POIS symtoms) ; what is interesting I spent two days in the mountains(2400m altitude) and my POIS symtoms came back. For me 4 explanations :
-No stress = less POIS ; in addition being in hollidays, we don't need to use our brain so POIS is less noticable
-Food was different : i ate a lot of fruit and raw food
-The climate has an important in POIS(not the first one too notice)..I would like to understand what in the climate has an influence inb biochemistry ; D vit ? What elses.
-O everyday allow me to remain reasonably high and not experience deep POIS symtoms(not the first one also to try this strategy)

Since I'm back, I stopped Sex and I slowly dive into POIS symtoms to reach a peak about 1 week after.

It's very similar to after drug usage crash ; It's like I was high for 10 days and now i've been down for a week.

I thought it could help.

Folic acid deficiency can lead to decreased levels of serotonin in the brain. Fruits and vegetables that contain folic acid can help to boost serotonin levels. There is an inverse, antagonistic relationship between acetycholine (ACh) and serotonin (SE) in the brain. In other words as the quantity of one increases, the quantity of the other decreases.

Acetylcholine excess includes all my symptoms, brain fog, nightmares, diarrhea, flu like symptoms, and maybe decreased levels in the brain of the neurotransmitters: serotonin, norepinephrine,  and dopamine . But why we have an imbalance? I don't buy the over masturbation (because if it were true POIS would be an epidemic), it must be something, else, a mutation in our DNA causing  acetylcholinesterase (Acetylcholine breaking enzyme) deficiency?

http://mindrenewal.us/page13.html


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« Reply #18190 on: 21/05/2013 17:43:39 »
I do not fully understand this balancing/lowering of Acetylcholine. Where can I find detailed information about this?

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« Reply #18191 on: 21/05/2013 18:24:49 »
Do anyone of you get facial swelling,puffiness after ejaculation? Also,do you have low sodium levels?
Seem to be silly questions but I need you to answer them.

I get noticeable facial swelling and face and scalp irritation within an hour after an ejac. When I first began developing pois my friends commented that I appeared to be getting fatter, even though I was actually not gaining any weight - it's just that my face seemed fatter due to the inflammation/swelling. Also my muscles around my face seemed to slacken slightly causing some of the flesh to sag lower on my face. Not sure about low sodium, but I once had a blood test that showed I was slightly low in potassium and the doc suggested I might need to add more salt to my diet. I feel slightly better after having a glass of salt water, but the effect is barely noticeable.

Saw palmetto and fenugreek+tea/garlic reduce a significant amount of the face swelling and irritation.
« Last Edit: 21/05/2013 18:32:33 by Vincent M »
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #18192 on: 21/05/2013 18:59:19 »
Huperzine is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor and improves my cognition during pois after 2 days of 200 micrograms per day. There is some good lab evidence of its ability to improve cognition in alzheimer's patients. That's all I have to add about acetylcholine.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #18193 on: 21/05/2013 19:47:05 »
Everybody one of the rules of the forum is to not use adult language because of kids that come by the forum.

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« Reply #18194 on: 21/05/2013 21:02:14 »
Desperate, Some of the things youre saying resonate with my own experiences. For instance, i have weak adrenals. And, my blood-sugar is definitely tied to my pois. Even if im experiencing a fantastic day, and i go most the day without eating, my pois will come back, very strongly. I'll basically become a mute. And even if i eat a big meal, it's too late. My pois is there to stay. After times like these my pois will be bad another 2-4 days. Consequently, I never allow myself to get too hungry anymore.

 I'm not sure  I'm not sure whether morning Os or having an O on an empty stomach translate to worse pois, but ill try to pay attention to that in the future. Seems plausible.

Ive personally never had a negative sexual experience so i dont think ptsd plays a role w me.

My sodium is 138 within a 135 to 145 reference range, so low depending upon who u ask.
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« Reply #18195 on: 21/05/2013 22:22:17 »
Hi All

-for me if I smoke I well  get my hed lost(I dont smoke).
-mast. has powerfull pois than sex.

masturbation is the reason of pois.

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« Reply #18196 on: 22/05/2013 06:07:44 »
Nathan

 I am not talking about smoking anything/  I said   that  marijuana  inhibits acethylcholinesterase  which  increases  acethylcholine.  I also said that masturbation and excessive sex  will deplete zinc,    which  will lower your gaba  which will automatically  increase  acethylcholine  gaba balance and  make your thyroid low.  This is your case.  It is not like your replenished  zinc,  you just  induced  acethylcholine  with  your medicine, which  is not going to last,  especially  since you are having orgasms,  depleting zinc even more.  Vitamin  C  increases   iron which  decreases copper and  automatically increases zinc  relatively , but   in your case 3-4 orgasm a week is  insane. 

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« Reply #18197 on: 22/05/2013 06:12:50 »
zinc  and copper    control   gaba and  acethylcholinesterase/    There are no mutations, there is simply deficiencies.  You have to stay away from sex and  replenish   these metals,   including  iron manganese  copper and zinc , and all your enzymes will  work again.  Zinc increases gaba , lowers  acethylcholine for instance , if you have that imbalance/  POIS is caused by inflammation from  low testosterone levels, since  your horomones are not balanced. 

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« Reply #18198 on: 22/05/2013 08:22:42 »
Hi All,

I had a 12 days vacation in a tropical country ; As I was in holiday, I O everyday ; Strangely, I felt great(maybe 20% of my usual POIS symtoms)

I have had the same experience but I think the sunshine was what made me feel better.

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« Reply #18199 on: 22/05/2013 08:27:25 »
Since 1st of May I have abstrained from sex with my partner, taken niacin more often and kept a strict diet, making sure i always eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Here´s what has has happened.

- improved sleep, quite better and more regular
- more nocturnal emissions, drastic increase
- less sex drive
- more calm and relaxed
- overall more healthy, no anxiety for quite some time.