Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18350 on: 21/06/2013 05:25:49 »
my symptoms changed completly and i dont expiereince knee pain what so ever like it was never existed.knee pain replaced by abdomen pain

Do you know of any reason why your knee pain might have disappeared?
Dont know exactly but when i remained ill (hepatitis a) for 3 months after that when i recovered from illness knee pain was not there.

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« Reply #18351 on: 21/06/2013 16:49:12 »
... Dont know exactly but when i remained ill (hepatitis a) for 3 months after that when i recovered from illness knee pain was not there.

If you are looking for an organic illness which connects hepatitis and knee [joint] pain, try "cryoglobulinemic vasculitis" ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18281853  [ arthralgia = joint pain ]
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« Reply #18352 on: 21/06/2013 19:25:10 »
Hi it has been a long time to posted in the forum. 

From the blessings of god, my POIS not bounced back and enjoying third month of POIS free life.  Having O around three times a weak.   Feeling enrgetic, calm and cool. 

Further, during POIS period, I noticed premature ejaculation in me.  But after two months of POIS free life, this problem also gone now.

I would post next post in next month

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« Reply #18353 on: 21/06/2013 19:43:22 »
Hi everybody, I'm new to the forum.  I have been dealing with POIS syndrome since I was in high school.  I'm now 32.  As of last year, September of 2012, I found this forum and it was only then I knew I had this disorder all these years.

Great post, happy2. I love reading about which supplements/treatments members have found to be of benefit. Definitely try the claritin at least an hour before orgasm; benadryl should work a little faster. It seems to me that a lot of the benefit I gained from those two antihistamines was due to better quality and longer sleep. I have a question for you. What exactly are your POIS symptoms? For instance I have burning eyes and joint pain after orgasm, which not many of us experience.

Also you said that you take flush free niacin; just want to make sure you're aware that most members have required the flush in order to experience the full effect of niacin.

Thanks Vincent M.

It's really good to be a part of the effort in finding a treatment for this disorder.  My POIS symptoms are joint pain, including fingers, neck, back, and knees.  The cognitive symptoms for me are by far the worst though.  They include brain fog, "can't find the right words" when talking to people.  I can do almost anything with POIS, including hard labor, and I have seen others post that intensive exercise helps also.  The only thing I can not do is be around people and do anything that causes me to be around other people in social interaction type settings.  This in itself is extremely debilitating, and it is probably by far the most debilitating factor when dealing with POIS.  That, to me, is probably why POIS should be classified as a mental disorder.  I believe it is an allergy, as I have found tremendous relief from the more severe symptoms by taking anti-histamines.  I wanted to ask you a question, or anyone else who gets this message.  It's about the Niacin with a flush.  I have been taking flush-free Niacin.  OK.  When do I ingest the flush Niacin?  Is it before orgasm, and if so, how long before?  I think I remember someone said that once the flush occurs, after about 30 minutes, then it's safe to go.  My only thing is that I've been taking the flush-free every day because I'm surviving on nocturnal emissions alone, and have been for a long, long time.  If there's a better way I'd like to know.  Thanks.  If I could find the cure by taking something before orgasm, then that might be better than waiting for the nocturnal emissions and taking something after.

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« Reply #18354 on: 21/06/2013 19:45:28 »

Thanks B_Jim,

7-8 days was the maximum amount I had last year.  I also had some 5-6 day symptoms also sometimes.  The Benadryl and Claritin have worked really well immediately following orgasm.  I don't know if I have the cohoneys to try to alter that system.  I will definitely try to take some of the above medications before orgasm however, and see if I can maximize the effect even greater.  Thanks for the post.

Claritin has a delay of 2 hours to be active. Take claritin 2h-2h30 before orgasm and you will have the maximum effect. This is confirmed by canadian website.
On the canadian website I see they made claritine "ultra-fondant", a quick effect version of claritin. The med is used by sublingual way.

Thanks B_Jim,

That helps a lot.

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« Reply #18355 on: 22/06/2013 00:29:26 »
I'm also more timid around people during POIS, even though I enjoy being with companions. It seems a lot of us share similar personality traits. Sometimes I wonder if something about our similarities causes POIS or if POIS causes our similarities.
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« Reply #18356 on: 22/06/2013 16:59:20 »
This is my new supplementation regimen

Magnesium consumption used to be low, but now I am going for  420 mg or maybe more (yet not in excess) due to my joint pain after O and it's apparent role in treating osteoporosis and dopamine boosting since dopamine is needed to reduce prolactin at the moment of orgasm. Prolactin is attributed to disrupting neoruhormonal balance by reducing testosterone, etc. and increases after O.The tuberoinfundibular DA system inhibits prolactin synthesis and release from the anterior pituitary. Antipsychotic drugs, which antagonize D2 receptors, elevate levels of prolactin. Conversely, D2 receptor agonists, such as bromocriptine, can be used to suppress hyperprolactemia, which is most commonly caused by prolactin-secreting pituitary adenomas I also supplemented amino acids and iron.Catecholamine biosynthesis begins with dietary tyrosine, which is actively transported into the brain (or peripheral sympathetic neurons). It is hydroxylated within neurons at the 3 position by the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase (TH) to form dihydroxyphenylalanine (dopa). TH requires Fe2+ as a cofactor, as well as molecular oxygen and tetrahydrobiopterin (a hydrogen donor). An inhibitor of TH, α-methylparatyrosine (AMPT) has been used historically as an experimental tool to study catecholamine function; more recent alternatives include mice genetically engineered to lack TH or other enzymes in the biosynthetic pathway.Meat is a poor amino acid source not only for the synthetic hormones it contains , but also because the human digestive system is not acidic enough to decompose meat like carnivores, and can cause immunologic issues in IBD patients like me. Soy protein reduces testosterone by increasing estrogen, reduces zinc absorbtion and disrupts tyroid function so I stopped soy protein. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16571087  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3559747
That is why supplements of protein/amino acids work better for me. B complex vitamins are part of my diet. I also consume olive oil wich contains building blocks of hormones and vitamin D is essential for increasing testosterone and serotonin etc.. Zinc supplementaion was the most noticable improvement since after it's supplementation I have nocturnal emmissions of 80% less symptoms.

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« Reply #18357 on: 22/06/2013 17:45:47 »
DENIED,

Just do the  testing and stop guessing.   There is a program  that I suggested which  contains everything  that you mentioned for POIS. And some people are on it and feeling better, but  for everybody there is  their own program., since POIS  is not the same thing for everyone.  Estrogen dominance  is not the only your reason .
POIS is  too much or too low  acetylcholine..    High thyroid high dopamine high progesterone   low acetylcholine,   low  thyroid  low dopamine low progesterone high acetylcholine.

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« Reply #18358 on: 22/06/2013 22:53:44 »
DENIED,

Just do the  testing and stop guessing.   There is a program  that I suggested which  contains everything  that you mentioned for POIS. And some people are on it and feeling better, but  for everybody there is  their own program., since POIS  is not the same thing for everyone.  Estrogen dominance  is not the only your reason .
POIS is  too much or too low  acetylcholine..    High thyroid high dopamine high progesterone   low acetylcholine,   low  thyroid  low dopamine low progesterone high acetylcholine.

What program? What testing should I conduct and why?

I forgot to say I supplement manganese to 22mg, it increases LH, promoting testosterone production etc. I am placing some importance to testosterone because of my poor muscle mass that I must icrease fast due to injury and my low T.
I also use H2 antagonist zantac because of this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9088875
on full blown POIS.

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« Reply #18359 on: 23/06/2013 00:07:05 »
Testosterone importance http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21693622
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15240608

Nsaids inhibit COX 1 and COX 2 inhibiting prostaglandin H2 formation.

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« Reply #18360 on: 23/06/2013 00:35:04 »
Denied,

If you carefully  read this forum you would know that I posted   different programs for different POIS  cases ,  it looks like you are taking one of my postings.   I hope it matches  your  body chemistry.   Manganese  raises acetylcholine, which raises  DHT. Manganese  raises  sodium level. Zinc chelates manganese.  To take manganese  and zinc you need certain ratio. The most important ratio in  your cell is  NA/K .  So  if you know where you are on that ratio, then you can take minerals.

They are 2 cases,     low acetycholine   high testosterone ,  low DHT  ----POIS is caused by low DHT.  Try to give  low DHT person  saw palmetto..you will go right into  POIS.

secondly,  there is high acetylcholine ,  low testosterone  high DHT high estrogen ---symptoms are caused by low testosterone.

Good luck ,

I hope it  helps

It is good that someone is using manganese for a change.

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« Reply #18361 on: 23/06/2013 01:38:18 »
Denied,

If you carefully  read this forum you would know that I posted   different programs for different POIS  cases ,  it looks like you are taking one of my postings.   I hope it matches  your  body chemistry.   Manganese  raises acetylcholine, which raises  DHT. Manganese  raises  sodium level. Zinc chelates manganese.  To take manganese  and zinc you need certain ratio. The most important ratio in  your cell is  NA/K .  So  if you know where you are on that ratio, then you can take minerals.

They are 2 cases,     low acetycholine   high testosterone ,  low DHT  ----POIS is caused by low DHT.  Try to give  low DHT person  saw palmetto..you will go right into  POIS.

secondly,  there is high acetylcholine ,  low testosterone  high DHT high estrogen ---symptoms are caused by low testosterone.

Good luck ,

I hope it  helps

It is good that someone is using manganese for a change.
High DHT apparently fits in with the rest of the puzzle.  DHT is the one that does most to promote erections, especially spontaneous ones and those experienced during REM sleep and wet dreams. I was looking for an answer to that, you indeed have helped me. I was suspecting high acetycholine for quite some time, but could not find a way to explain every single reason, how it worked and how to fix it naturally. Now I think I know what to do.

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« Reply #18362 on: 23/06/2013 12:12:22 »
My name is Jonas and i´m new to this forum, i like to get in touch with other poisers living in Sweden or Stockholm.

My symtoms are:

Burning eyes
Bloated stomach
Flulike state
Severe fatigue
Very sluggish cognitively
Lack of concentration
Confusion
Dizziness
Headaches
Extreme anxiety/depression
Sore muscles
Memory problems
Difficulty breathing
Difficulty sleeping
Bad temper
Lack of libido.


The symptoms last for two weeks. I have had this symptoms for about 15-18 years. I have contacted a expert in sexual medicine here in Stockholm. If you live in Stockholm or in Sweden, feel free to contact me.

So far i have tried :

Cortison
Antihistamines
Testosterone gel
And also blood tests to look for inflammation, no luck so far.



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« Reply #18363 on: 24/06/2013 01:23:35 »
I have some recent tests here done for testing looking for a way to explain weight loss, possibly thanks to POIS, but I also did a CT scan and my intestines look fine, and no problems in gonads, seminal vesicles nor prostate, they even commented my seminal vesicles were in "EXCELLENT CONDITION" salting the wound.

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« Reply #18364 on: 24/06/2013 04:22:03 »
I have some recent tests here done for testing looking for a way to explain weight loss ...

You previously said you have Crohn's , weight loss is typical in that disease because of malabsorption, and/or reluctance to eat because it causes pain ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org
Crohn's disease may manifest as weight loss, usually related to decreased food intake, since individuals with intestinal symptoms from Crohn's disease often feel better when they do not eat and might lose their appetite. People with extensive small intestine disease may also have malabsorption of carbohydrates or lipids, which can further exacerbate weight loss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohns_disease#Systemic
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« Reply #18365 on: 24/06/2013 05:47:59 »
Friends start taking b12 supplements atleast 500 mcg a day.it will take time atleast a month for the results.get your blood serum tested after a month if not much difference then go for the shots.

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« Reply #18366 on: 24/06/2013 13:41:51 »
I have some recent tests here done for testing looking for a way to explain weight loss ...

You previously said you have Crohn's , weight loss is typical in that disease because of malabsorption, and/or reluctance to eat because it causes pain ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org
Crohn's disease may manifest as weight loss, usually related to decreased food intake, since individuals with intestinal symptoms from Crohn's disease often feel better when they do not eat and might lose their appetite. People with extensive small intestine disease may also have malabsorption of carbohydrates or lipids, which can further exacerbate weight loss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohns_disease#Systemic
Indeed, a CT scan was made to explain if I had a flare up (immune system attack causing inflammation, etc.). Maybe malabsorbtion of nutrients was the POIS problem all along. This could have caused  Now I need to find a way to justify the medical plan to cover further testing ( fake an illness?). I need now to fix the hormonal disaster Crohn caused. Reducind estrogen to bring down DHT and up Testosterone to healthy levels is the first step (I am a 18 year old with low testosterone, I already tested myself). Then find the mineral dosing appropriate to reduce acetycholine and increase GABA, wich requires testing. Not very sure about the testing required for finding out how to balance neurotransmitters though.

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« Reply #18367 on: 24/06/2013 17:16:37 »
... I need now to fix the hormonal disaster Crohn caused. Reducind estrogen to bring down DHT and up Testosterone to healthy levels is the first step (I am a 18 year old with low testosterone, I already tested myself).

If you really have low testosterone, that too, like Crohn's, is possible via small-vessel vasculitis , ( rather than a consequence of Crohn's ) ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18609261


( fake an illness?)

Faking anything is just going to muddy the waters and damage your relationship with your healthcare providers and health insurance, faking is a very bad idea.
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« Reply #18368 on: 25/06/2013 08:24:22 »
The symptoms last for two weeks. I have had this symptoms for about 15-18 years. I have contacted a expert in sexual medicine here in Stockholm. If you live in Stockholm or in Sweden, feel free to contact me.

Hi im from Sthlm too, what do you need help with?

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« Reply #18369 on: 25/06/2013 12:58:02 »
The symptoms last for two weeks. I have had this symptoms for about 15-18 years. I have contacted a expert in sexual medicine here in Stockholm. If you live in Stockholm or in Sweden, feel free to contact me.

Hi im from Sthlm too, what do you need help with?

I´m interested to know if you have seeked treatment, if so were? Have you have had any success? If you want you can PM me in swedish.

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« Reply #18370 on: 25/06/2013 16:03:58 »
Last year i seeked treatment only to be met by complete ignorance, this fall i have an apointment with a allergy specialist doctor.

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« Reply #18371 on: 25/06/2013 17:08:35 »
Last year i seeked treatment only to be met by complete ignorance, this fall i have an apointment with a allergy specialist doctor.

Interesting, i have looking for a allergy specialist doctor in Stockholm, are you willing to share who you are going to?

I have seeked treatment at the centre for andrology and sexual medicine Karolinska Huddinge.

/J
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« Reply #18372 on: 25/06/2013 17:14:25 »
... I need now to fix the hormonal disaster Crohn caused. Reducind estrogen to bring down DHT and up Testosterone to healthy levels is the first step (I am a 18 year old with low testosterone, I already tested myself).

If you really have low testosterone, that too, like Crohn's, is possible via small-vessel vasculitis , ( rather than a consequence of Crohn's ) ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18609261


( fake an illness?)

Faking anything is just going to muddy the waters and damage your relationship with your healthcare providers and health insurance, faking is a very bad idea.
The vascularity of my intestines  was normal after a colonoscopy study. Also, the most probable cause of my Crohns was heavy antibacterial medication when I was six years old after a Vesicoureteral reflux surgery( because Secondary vesicoureteral reflux is due to a urinary tract malfunction, often caused by infection.) promoting  bad bacteria proliferation and a violent immune response or that I have Celiac disease excacerbated by Nsaids. I used to have asthma though, around that age too, vasculitis can cause that. I have no pysical direct indications of vasculitis, and I can't afford testing vasculitis.

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« Reply #18373 on: 25/06/2013 18:38:21 »
The vascularity of my intestines  was normal after a colonoscopy study

Crohn’s does not necessarily affect the colon , it can be confined the small intestine [it can be “ileal”]. Nor need active disease be permanently present.

... my Crohns ... I have Celiac disease

Celiac or Crohn’s is more likely to be true than Celiac+Crohn’s . There are blood tests to confirm Celiac …

Quote from: nih.gov
Celiac disease can be confused with irritable bowel syndrome, iron-deficiency anemia caused by menstrual blood loss, inflammatory bowel disease, diverticulitis, intestinal infections, and chronic fatigue syndrome. As a result, celiac disease has long been underdiagnosed or misdiagnosed. As doctors become more aware of the many varied symptoms of the disease and reliable blood tests become more available, diagnosis rates are increasing.

Blood Tests

People with celiac disease have higher than normal levels of certain autoantibodies—proteins that react against the body's own cells or tissues—in their blood. To diagnose celiac disease, doctors will test blood for high levels of anti-tissue transglutaminase antibodies (tTGA) or anti-endomysium antibodies (EMA). If test results are negative but celiac disease is still suspected, additional blood tests may be needed.

Before being tested, one should continue to eat a diet that includes foods with gluten, such as breads and pastas. If a person stops eating foods with gluten before being tested, the results may be negative for celiac disease even if the disease is present.
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/celiac/

There are also blood tests for vasculitis , e.g. ANCA test ...
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p-ANCA with specificity to other antigens are associated with inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, drug-induced vasculitis, autoimmune liver disease, drug induced syndromes and parasitic infections. Atypical ANCA is associated with drug-induced systemic vasculitis, inflammatory bowel disease and rheumatoid arthritis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-neutrophil_cytoplasmic_antibody#Disease_associations

[NB:  ANCA-Negative vasculitis is possible ]

I have no pysical direct indications of vasculitis, and I can't afford testing vasculitis.

Free test #1: keep an eye out for "splinter haemorrhages" ...


http://www.hopkinsvasculitis.org/types-vasculitis/microscopic-polyangiitis/

Free test #2 : petechiae  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petechia

Free test #3: frothy urine can be caused by vasculitis ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteinuria
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« Reply #18374 on: 25/06/2013 19:13:32 »
I have splinter hemorrhages. Not as much today but more some years ago.

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« Reply #18375 on: 26/06/2013 00:24:04 »
I have splinter hemorrhages. Not as much today but more some years ago.

If not due to trauma, (e.g. hitting the wrong nail with a hammer), then you should definitely report [recurring] splinter haemorrhages to your doctor. [ Take some pictures of them with the date on to show your doctor ].

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« Reply #18376 on: 26/06/2013 07:13:42 »
since last year I felt stabbing in the bladder/prostate area half an hour after arousal without an 'O'
this happens only 3 times max

does anyone have had a similar experience, did I harm my bladder/prostate or is it a muscle nerve problem?

I've never had pain or POIS symptoms from sexual activity that doesn't end in orgasm.

Rarely if I have two orgasms quickly in a row within only a few minutes I get an intense, unbearable, burning pain that I suspect is originating from my prostate. The pain is so strong that I'll need to drink 3-5 beers in order to make it disappear and it usually lasts for about an hour or maybe 2. I've noticed that this pain is also more likely to occur if I have an ejaculation soon after drinking alcohol. It has only been happening the last 2-3 years so it started 3-4 years after my POIS developed.

I have some CPPS and Hard Flaccid and what the two of you describe sounds exactly like some minor symptoms of it. I recommend going for a walk afterwards, doing some soft yoga or doing some internal trigger point massage in your pelvic floor. sounds uncomfortable, but if the pain gets worse it should do the trick (at least it does for me)...

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« Reply #18377 on: 26/06/2013 15:02:31 »
since last year I felt stabbing in the bladder/prostate area half an hour after arousal without an 'O' this happens only 3 times max

does anyone have had a similar experience, did I harm my bladder/prostate or is it a muscle nerve problem?

... The pain is so strong that I'll need to drink 3-5 beers in order to make it disappear and it usually lasts for about an hour or maybe 2. I've noticed that this pain is also more likely to occur if I have an ejaculation soon after drinking alcohol.

Alcohol can be the cause of such problems rather than a therapy ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Alcoholic_polyneuropathy
Pain experienced by individuals depends on the severity of the polyneuropathy. It may be dull and constant in some individuals while being sharp and lancinating [aka stabbing] in others .... Certain people may also feel cramping sensations in the muscles affected and others say there is a burning sensation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_polyneuropathy

Vasculitis can also cause neuropathy : vasculitic neuropathy
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« Reply #18378 on: 26/06/2013 23:45:27 »
Hello everyone:

I have been a silent observer of this forum for the past 4 or 5 years.

I am 18 to 22 years old and have greatly suffered from all the symptoms that you do as well.

Right now, I'm in a very dark place. So, I've decided to finally join the forum and ask for your help.

I noticed that Glodulev? and Nathan had both found solutions that have worked so far.

Would it be possible to ask for a hard guideline on how I would go about curing myself like they did?

I have tried Niacin, Benadryll and the other treatments to no avail.

Please help. I feel like my life is a waste and that there is no future for me. I just want to escape from his living hell. Sometimes, I feel like there's no point in living on.....  :-'( :-'(

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« Reply #18379 on: 27/06/2013 07:53:48 »
Hello everyone:

I have been a silent observer of this forum for the past 4 or 5 years.

I am 18 to 22 years old and have greatly suffered from all the symptoms that you do as well.

Right now, I'm in a very dark place. So, I've decided to finally join the forum and ask for your help.

I noticed that Glodulev? and Nathan had both found solutions that have worked so far.

Would it be possible to ask for a hard guideline on how I would go about curing myself like they did?

I have tried Niacin, Benadryll and the other treatments to no avail.

Please help. I feel like my life is a waste and that there is no future for me. I just want to escape from his living hell. Sometimes, I feel like there's no point in living on.....  :-'( :-'(
welcome sadandfrustrated,

you've been a silent reader for a long time - way, way longer than i have.
it's great that you're posting. so about herman and nathan's solutions, i'll leave those q's for someone like b_daniel who likely has more knowledge about those two solutions than i do. but again, welcome and hopefully you'll find something that works well for you.

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« Reply #18380 on: 27/06/2013 16:16:41 »
I just got my tests back from the doctor. Was a blood test and result is I dont have IgE antibodies against sperm and doctor concluding can not be allergy.

What a disappointment, in a way.

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« Reply #18381 on: 27/06/2013 19:15:11 »
I just got my tests back from the doctor. Was a blood test and result is I dont have IgE antibodies against sperm and doctor concluding can not be allergy.

What a disappointment, in a way.

Where did you get tested?

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« Reply #18382 on: 27/06/2013 20:21:47 »
Hi Prancer,

Thank you for the words of welcome.

I have been avoiding talking to doctors about this problem after constantly getting the cold shoulder. Should I keep looking for a helpful physician?

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« Reply #18383 on: 27/06/2013 21:58:37 »
it's totally up to you. in my case, since first getting pois nearly a decade ago in august when i was 14 i've always known that any doctor i saw would have no idea what my problem was. still, in the early days of having pois i did go to about 3 or 4 doctors and just like i thought, they found nothing wrong. it's not necessarily their fault though (if i were them i probably wouldn't know what it was either because it's so new).

however, if you do lots research and find a really good one that's very open minded, then you have good chance. even show him/her this forum. there are lots of open-minded doctors out there willing to look at every possible cause, but sadly most of them just go by what they already understand. even so, in the near future we are expecting some good researchers taking at look at pois and trying their best to find a solution.

good luck, hopefully you'll find the perfect doctor!

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« Reply #18384 on: 28/06/2013 05:05:01 »
how do you guys avoid wet dreams? I'm getting once a week.

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« Reply #18385 on: 28/06/2013 16:49:49 »
I just got my tests back from the doctor. Was a blood test and result is I dont have IgE antibodies against sperm and doctor concluding can not be allergy.

What a disappointment, in a way.

I want to recall an important point.
There are 2 ways (at least) to explain allergic symptoms in Pois.
First is allergy to sperm. But IgE are the mediators for type I allergy only.
Second is histamine release after orgasm.

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For the first time I have a new symptoms in Pois Day 1, blurred vision.
It seems linked to general fatigue and visual fatigue. It was a tiring week for me.
At wake, my long distance view is blurred. The symptom is slowly decreasing after some hours.
Allergy is not the only thing that can cause histamine release from mast cells, examples are opioids and acetycholine. There is a presence of cholinergic muscarinic receptors on mast cells, but there is not many info available about that. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1279398/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14742371

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« Reply #18386 on: 29/06/2013 17:41:01 »
Hello everyone:

I have been a silent observer of this forum for the past 4 or 5 years.

I am 18 to 22 years old and have greatly suffered from all the symptoms that you do as well.

Right now, I'm in a very dark place. So, I've decided to finally join the forum and ask for your help.

I noticed that Glodulev? and Nathan had both found solutions that have worked so far.

Would it be possible to ask for a hard guideline on how I would go about curing myself like they did?

I have tried Niacin, Benadryll and the other treatments to no avail.

Please help. I feel like my life is a waste and that there is no future for me. I just want to escape from his living hell. Sometimes, I feel like there's no point in living on.....  :-'( :-'(
welcome sadandfrustrated,

you've been a silent reader for a long time - way, way longer than i have.
it's great that you're posting. so about herman and nathan's solutions, i'll leave those q's for someone like b_daniel who likely has more knowledge about those two solutions than i do. but again, welcome and hopefully you'll find something that works well for you.

As far as i know, the supplements Nathan used in his cure can only be found in India.  I wish we had another Indian POISer who would try this protocol but so far it appears as if we don't.  It's kinda frustrating actually.

If you want to work with Herman you need to get a hair test analysis performed through ARL, which will cost about $150.  Many people, including myself, have been helped by Herman but to date many fewer have been cured. 
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18387 on: 30/06/2013 10:45:03 »
I just got my tests back from the doctor. Was a blood test and result is I dont have IgE antibodies against sperm and doctor concluding can not be allergy.

What a disappointment, in a way.

Where did you get tested?

Vårdcentral i Göteborg

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« Reply #18388 on: 30/06/2013 12:04:22 »
Hi guys, I am new to this forum. I really think I am on to something here. It is very different from what I have believed before regarding my symptoms.
I wanted to share my struggle and recent success with fighting POIS. From my experience with it, I believe that POIS is a form of a lipid disorder that leads to the other downstream effects we all have experienced.
I have been struggling with the effects of this syndrome for about 7 years until the last few weeks. Previously after ejaculation, within 1/2 hour I would start feeling brain fog, really tired, sore eyes, complete lack of focus/retention of anything new, general sickness, complete lack of sex drive, muscle weakness, and soreness in my joints which increased for about 2 days and then would begin to subside and I would feel normal again after about 6 days.
These symptoms began during my undergraduate years and I'm now in my doctorate to become a health care professional. These symptoms have basically ruined my life especially when it come to trying to treat patients on days where I can't even remember how to do basic things I have learned because of the disorder.
I recently started drinking olive oil, increased the amount of fat in my diet, and take fenugreek and I noticed that I would feel a LOT better. Then it made me start thinking about why that may be. I know that one thing that I changed around the time I began feeling POIS symptoms 7 years ago was that, I completely eliminate most fats from my diet. I would not eat anything fried or heavy/ etc. After sometime, I realized that when I would eat something fatty, I would get headaches and it would exacerbate my symptoms if I had recently ejaculated. Therefore as a result, I would continue to completely avoid fats/ oily food. So as to propose a mechanism of action for the disorder, I know a lot about physiological science but this explanation to me doesn't make sure sense for now but its what I believe from what I have experienced. I believe that after ejaculation, something is happening with our lipids. Perhaps they are being used as an energy source for the ejaculation and if the lipid levels are too low, our bodies are getting the energy sources from somewhere else that it is not suppose to be. Maybe proteins and as a result your body is breaking down specific proteins for energy that it shouldn't be so our bodies ellicit an antibody mediate response against our own proteins which leads to the symptoms that seem like an autoimmune disease. I find that when I increased the amount of oils/ lipids in my body via eating a higher fat diet, drinking olive oil, and fenugreek my symptoms seem like they are going to come on but then are COMPLETELY GONE WITHIN A FEW HOURS!!! Within the last 2-3 weeks, I haven't felt more than 10% of the original POIS symtoms at any time. I have had sex probably 20 times during that time period because it has been almost a decade since I could enjoy sex and not feel my impending doom afterwards. I never in my life to say this after all the doctors I have seen who didn't know what to tell me. In addition, I have been taking a test booster (Kiazen PM) but I don't know if that has anything to do with the results, I was just taking that for my loss of libido/ low test symptoms from the POIS. Guys, I really hope this is something that will help everyone. If you guys could try this and let me know, that will be great. I am almost in tears while writing this post because POIS has ruined a large period of time in my life that I will never get back. Now, I have been having sex and feeling great for almost 3 weeks now. I will provide an update on how I feel in a couple weeks and let you know if anything has changed. I hope this can be a new beginning for everyone.

I'm back after a long and non-POIS related illness.
The fat consumption suggestion is a really interesting idea. The connection could be Acetylcholine and Acetyl-CoA.
The latter is used in fatty acid synthesis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetyl-CoA
The former is a neurotransmitter of the parasympathetic nervous system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine
I noticed that I felt most drained not after an O but after a night when I had many erections. These require Acetylcholine to be produced, using up the bodies supply of Acetyl CoA. It's very difficult to talk about symptoms of high and low acetylcholine as it will cycle. i.e. anyone who has looked at it will notice that high and low Acetylcholine have similar symptoms. Examples include concentration issues and eye control problems which may mimic a mild form of myasthenia gravis.
(I don't have myasthenia gravis - although the antibodies test appears to not be 100% reliable - but I definitely have POIS related eye muscle control problems).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasthenia_gravis

Glucose metabolism also reduces Acetyl-CoA levels in favour of Malonyl-CoA (I think) and many of us report feeling "brain fog" after consuming a lot of sugary drinks. I know I do.

Acetyl-CoA depletion may also produce symptoms of hypoglycemia and hunger as the person cannot adequately convert fats into energy.

Fat intake may increase the rate of synthesis of Acetyl-CoA and perhaps, as a byproduct of this, permit a faster normalising of the levels of acetylcholine following an erection. Ideally, this would be supported by vitamins B1, vitamin B5 (multivitamins have enough b5 tbh) and possibly additional acetyl-carnitine.
Carnitine has been positively evaluated for treatment of Malonyl-CoA decarboxylase deficiency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malonyl-CoA_decarboxylase_deficiency
Acetyl-carnitine is an acetylcholine receptor agonist.
As Herman has pointed out a few times, nicotine mimics acetylcholine at its respective receptors also.

I read a theory of acne a few years back that suggested low Acetyl-CoA was a contributing factor as it would increase fats in the sebacious glands. I'm saying "contributing factor" rather than cause and I know that there are POIS sufferers who don't have acne.

Anyway, Acetyl-CoA is one more thing to think about.

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« Reply #18389 on: 30/06/2013 16:34:25 »

If you want to work with Herman you need to get a hair test analysis performed through ARL, which will cost about $150.  Many people, including myself, have been helped by Herman but to date many fewer have been cured.

Actually while working with Herman for about two months I've seen some improvements, in particular recurring viral infections have disappeared, and an ongoing fungal infection is getting under control, all things which drained my energy a lot and aggravated POIS. Seasonal allergies look slightly improved too.
Also, I've been able to wean off all the hormones I was on (thyroid and adrenals) and to simplify my regimen somewhat (e.g. methylation didn't really make a difference in my case).
Finally, my POIS is lighter and lasts about half a day after sex, and I have experienced times of improved libido, even though it seems I need finding my optimal balance yet.
I associate most of my improvements to the introduction of manganese and rebalancing zinc, copper and manganese intake, which is still work in progress anyway.
At this point I personally believe that hairtest can give some useful insight, yet I would not use it without blood (and possibly salivar when needed) diagnostics, and objective signs observation (body temperature and pressure) because I prefer seeing how different systems match rather than relying on one alone.

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« Reply #18390 on: 30/06/2013 16:42:04 »
Kurtosis,

I like your thinking.  About a month ago I was asked by some professor in Russia the  reason  of  the muscle  weakness after  ejaculation.  I was thinking long about it, and  I  came up with  mysthenia  gravis, same as you.
to me POIS is definetely  low and high acetylcholine.   Acetylcholine  parallels  DHT, since acetylchoine is supressed by progesterone.  So basically  when you have low acetylcholine  that means  you have low DHT.  And DHT could be the cause of POIS  in this case.   lManganese is used to  treat mysthenia gravis.  Manganese increases  acetylcholine, increases  DHT.    Zinc  decreases  DHT and acetylcholine, since it chelates  manganese.   SO basically  you need a certain ratio with iron zinc copper and  manganese to   get rid of POIS.

I am looking for the pefect ratio among these four/  But   for POIS  you just need to balance zinc with manganese.     Candida problem will go also /

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« Reply #18391 on: 30/06/2013 17:43:15 »

HI REM
Stay away Gunn masturbation and views of nudity and then wait for a time until your body get used to it

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« Reply #18392 on: 30/06/2013 18:09:20 »
I have a question.
How can Myasthenia gravis affect the intestines? I assume it would cause constipation with lack of acetycholine, but after sex could this cause a serotonin excess?
The intestinal issues seem to be ignored on this illness, I can't find information.

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« Reply #18393 on: 30/06/2013 18:15:20 »
CoA synthesis which is a precursor to Acetyl CoA production in lipid metabolism involves cysteine (back to methylation) and vitamin b5.

On another note, I have a hunch that anyone who responds to niacin, niacinamide or NADH and has their POIS symptoms improved by taking whey protein may get some of the same benefits by trying nicotinamide riboside. Hydrolysed whey has a bunch of useful benefits beyond building muscles. It contains easily absorbed amino acids together with interesting forms of vitamins such as nicotinamide riboside. Anecdotally and in empirical study, whey seems to promote relaxation and vasodilation i.e. it has an anti-hypertensive effect. Some of what we experience in POIS feels like hypertension which I associate with imbalances in NO production.

Anyway, I will see if nicotinamide riboside works the same or better than whey for me & report back at some stage. I'm happy with whey hydroslates so far.

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« Reply #18394 on: 30/06/2013 21:01:57 »
Encouraging to see everyone here so determed to help out.

Just want to add I had much acne as young and always gets acne after ejaculation.
« Last Edit: 30/06/2013 21:24:19 by johanstefansson »

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« Reply #18395 on: 30/06/2013 21:08:04 »
I'm not saying I or anybody else with POIS has MG. Just that some of the symptoms of MG which are attributed to low acetylcholine levels are similar.

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« Reply #18396 on: 30/06/2013 21:09:33 »
A female patient with a three year history of Crohn's disease of the colon developed myasthenia gravis. Despite diversion of the faecal stream by an ileostomy, and total colectomy, the patient had continuing problems with perineal and perianal abscesses and fistulas. Her myasthenia gravis became unresponsive to anti-cholinergics so a thymectomy was performed. The perineal and perianal disease improved subsequently. This case supports the theory that functional disturbances of the thymus may have a role in the pathogenesis of inflammatory bowel disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1374509/

Thymic abnormalities are clearly associated with myasthenia gravis but the nature of the association is uncertain. Ten percent of patients with myasthenia gravis have a thymic tumor and 70% have hyperplastic changes (germinal centers) that indicate an active immune response. These are areas within lymphoid tissue where B-cells interact with helper T-cells to produce antibodies. Because the thymus is the central organ for immunological self-tolerance, it is reasonable to suspect that thymic abnormalities cause the breakdown in tolerance that causes an immune-mediated attack on AChR in myasthenia gravis. The thymus contains all the necessary elements for the pathogenesis of myasthenia gravis: myoid cells that express the AChR antigen, antigen presenting cells, and immunocompetent T-cells. Thymus tissue from patients with myasthenia gravis produces AChR antibodies when implanted into immunodeficient mice. - See more at: http://www.myasthenia.org/HealthProfessionals/ClinicalOverviewofMG.aspx#sthash.PfxL2dTB.dpuf

Autoimmune diseases are caused by a hyperactive immune system that instead of attacking foreign pathogens reacts against the host organism (self) causing disease. One of the primary functions of the thymus is to prevent autoimmunity through the process of central tolerance, immunologic tolerance to self antigens.
The thymus is largest and most active during the neonatal and pre-adolescent periods. By the early teens, the thymus begins to atrophy and thymic stroma is replaced by adipose (fat) tissue. Nevertheless, residual T lymphopoiesis continues throughout adult life.
Around pre adolescent- adolecent time periods I developed both POIS and Crohn disease, POIS first though. I think I obtained negative results from IgG and IgA antibodies, wich made me disregard Myastenia Gravis some time ago, and MG does not explain my diarrhea just after orgasm.

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« Reply #18397 on: 30/06/2013 21:54:38 »
Same as Kurtosis, I dont  think anyone has myasthenia gravis here at the clinical form of it.   And also I think we are talking only about one case  of POIS here,   with low acetylcholine and low DHT. 
One time I was taking  too much zinc, and   my progesterone  went way up  and my DHT  went way down. 
My estrogen was  down my dht was down , and my progesterone up. 

So at the same  time I was thinking and experimenting with acetylcholine ,  myastenia gravis  manganese  and acetylcholine connection with  DHT.
I took 2 pills of saw palmetto,  in 15 minutes I had POIS without even  sex.   
So I poisoned myself on purpose .AHAHA   Since saw palmetto  lowered my low DHT

then I took 50 mg of manganese.  POIS was gone  within 1 hour completely

I am wondering  how many people got POIS from  Finasterid.
Since in  low DHT layout , that is exactly what  that is


I dont recommend anyone  screwing with your neurotransmitters,   niacin  raises  acetylcholine , lowers thyroid hormones and progesterone.
You need to get balanced,  only  that way  you can help yourself...You need to chelate  free copper, since that interferes with  manganese and zinc.

To do all that, you need to lock your metabolism  in the middle,  it is very hard to do.   Since no matter what you are taking   you will go from  side to side, and you will get POIS in both sides.   


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« Reply #18398 on: 01/07/2013 06:18:30 »

I'm back after a long and non-POIS related illness.

Very nice to have you back, Kurtosis
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18399 on: 01/07/2013 08:31:38 »
Hello everyone:

I have been a silent observer of this forum for the past 4 or 5 years.

I am 18 to 22 years old and have greatly suffered from all the symptoms that you do as well.

Right now, I'm in a very dark place. So, I've decided to finally join the forum and ask for your help.

I noticed that Glodulev? and Nathan had both found solutions that have worked so far.

Would it be possible to ask for a hard guideline on how I would go about curing myself like they did?

I have tried Niacin, Benadryll and the other treatments to no avail.

Please help. I feel like my life is a waste and that there is no future for me. I just want to escape from his living hell. Sometimes, I feel like there's no point in living on.....  :-'( :-'(
welcome sadandfrustrated,

you've been a silent reader for a long time - way, way longer than i have.
it's great that you're posting. so about herman and nathan's solutions, i'll leave those q's for someone like b_daniel who likely has more knowledge about those two solutions than i do. but again, welcome and hopefully you'll find something that works well for you.

As far as i know, the supplements Nathan used in his cure can only be found in India.  I wish we had another Indian POISer who would try this protocol but so far it appears as if we don't.  It's kinda frustrating actually.

If you want to work with Herman you need to get a hair test analysis performed through ARL, which will cost about $150.  Many people, including myself, have been helped by Herman but to date many fewer have been cured.
i live in pak near india i will try to get these medicnies and will try them