Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18450 on: 09/07/2013 17:05:09 »
Gbolduev ,which tests to do to know the imbalance and then what supplements to eat after that?

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« Reply #18451 on: 10/07/2013 18:34:26 »
Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:
  • Zinc Citrate: 100mg
  • Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
  • Vitamin E: 400 IU
  • Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
  • Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
  • Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

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« Reply #18452 on: 10/07/2013 22:52:58 »
Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:
  • Zinc Citrate: 100mg
  • Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
  • Vitamin E: 400 IU
  • Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
  • Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
  • Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

Did you make this program based on any blood or other types of tests?
Do you already know how your adrenals and thyroid are behaving (low, high)?
Do you have any evidence (test) for cadmium toxicity?

It's difficult ot make a program without knowing where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.

Few considerations:

- 200mg zinc daily looks huge to me. Even if you had high estrogen/progesterone (Na/K) ratio and low thyroid function, that's probably too much in any case. Without knowing your situation, I would not take more than 50mg to begin with
- you can't know if you really need copper and manganese without assessing the points mentioned above
- 6g C might be unecessarily too much. Possibly also 200mg B-complex. Also, it's better to spread water-soluble vitamins (B-C) 3 times a day, to allow costant supply

I hope this helps.

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« Reply #18453 on: 11/07/2013 23:07:31 »
Hi all:

I've begun a nutritional balancing program. Please let me know your thoughts.

All of the following supplements are being taken twice a day:
  • Zinc Citrate: 100mg
  • Calcium, Magnesium: 333 mg, 167 mg
  • Vitamin E: 400 IU
  • Vitamin D3: 1400 IU
  • Vitamin B100 Complex: 100 mg of each B Vitamin
  • Vitamin C: 3000 mg

I'm doing this with the understanding that CADMIUM might be the underlying cause of my problems.

This makes sense since one of the previous individuals on this forum had success after removing his testicles, which can store most of the cadmium in our body.

How much Manganese, Malic Acid, or Copper should I add?

Did you make this program based on any blood or other types of tests?
Do you already know how your adrenals and thyroid are behaving (low, high)?
Do you have any evidence (test) for cadmium toxicity?

It's difficult ot make a program without knowing where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.

Few considerations:

- 200mg zinc daily looks huge to me. Even if you had high estrogen/progesterone (Na/K) ratio and low thyroid function, that's probably too much in any case. Without knowing your situation, I would not take more than 50mg to begin with
- you can't know if you really need copper and manganese without assessing the points mentioned above
- 6g C might be unecessarily too much. Possibly also 200mg B-complex. Also, it's better to spread water-soluble vitamins (B-C) 3 times a day, to allow costant supply

I hope this helps.

I too believe 200 mg zinc daily seems a lot. I think 10 mg is recommended daily dose. 200 might be dangerous. However I do believe the problem is that cadmium is not showed during toxidity tests, its in the testicles or shows up as abnormal calcium levels.

We should see is someone here would like to sample his balls.

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« Reply #18454 on: 12/07/2013 08:50:38 »
There are no optimal doses valid for everyone (zinc RDA is 15mg), although there are definitely safety zones.
In my opinion 200mg zinc is way too much for everyone, while 10mg might be too little for many.
It's hard to start a nutritional "balancing" program if one doesn't know in what way is currently imbalanced.

As to metals toxicity (cadmium, mercury, arsenic etc), blood tests won't say much, hair tests might give a clue but not really be conclusive (metals can be accumulated in tissues but not excreted), biopsies are not a really viable option, non-conventional tests are a question mark. So one can mainly assume, perhaps based on the exposure (dentals fillings or eating big fishes-->mercury, smoking--> cadmium, pesticides--> arsenic etc). But I don't believe that the solution will be just overloading with an antagonist metals based on this assumption (e.g. zinc for cadmium or selenium for mercury). This might make an imbalance worse, and imbalanced body won't detoxify.
Also, metal toxicity is often associated to infections, especially fungal infections (fungus typically thrives on metals). Addressing them would likely allow and speed up metals release. One can also try to get help from mild chelators like zeolite while detoxifying. And support liver detox in the meantime (MSM, Lipoic Acid, NAC..)

However I believe that a balanced metabolism is key for the detoxification. I would expect that restoring a balanced environment at cellular level will be the main prerequisite to get rid of any toxic metals, regardless of the specific type.
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« Reply #18455 on: 12/07/2013 18:08:11 »
Actually, to my understanding, niacin flush is more an inflammation than an allergy ; But i like the idea of a reducing the potentiality of a second reaction by provoking a first one.

The other link to Niacin is serotonine through tryptophane

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« Reply #18456 on: 13/07/2013 14:14:54 »
Hi, I am following this forum form the past 2 years. For me symtoms, as usual explained by you and all. From past 5 years, I contacted many doctors and undergo many test and found all the tests are normal. But today, I undergo Abdomen Ultrasound Scan and found few things abnormal. Whether these have any relation with my POIS.
I got a appointment with my Gasterolist only in next week.
The abnormal findings in Abdomen Ultrsound scan are :
a) Liver: Mild parenchymal hyperechogenecity noted.
b) Kidney: Left renal mildly ectatic extra-renal pelvis seen.
Impression: Mild Fatty changes in Liver

Please help

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« Reply #18457 on: 13/07/2013 15:38:27 »
Sorry it's taken so long for me to respond.

I was quite busy for the past few days.

Thank you very much for your suggestions!

I've reduced the dosages to around half, more for Vitamin C.

I feel like I'm feeling some benefits from the balancing. But I'll give it a few weeks to see.

In regards to the cadmium, I had a urine test quite a while back (around a year ago). It was a forced DMPS test. My cadmium level was slightly elevated.

I didn't think much of it back then (because my main concern was the mercury, which I thought was responsible for my POIS), but now it seems to make a lot more sense as the real culprit.

This seems particularly true, if my cadmium level was elevated when I wasn't in a state of POIS. I'm assuming that having an orgasm forces the testicles to start working again and thus release some cadmium into the body?

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« Reply #18458 on: 14/07/2013 09:59:19 »

In regards to the cadmium, I had a urine test quite a while back (around a year ago). It was a forced DMPS test. My cadmium level was slightly elevated.

I didn't think much of it back then (because my main concern was the mercury, which I thought was responsible for my POIS), but now it seems to make a lot more sense as the real culprit.


Adding 200-400mcg selenium to your regimen could help, regardless of where you are now from a metabolic and toxicity perspective.
It will help normalize thyroid function, antagonize heavy metals (especially mercury), promote detox activity (via glutathione).

Another possible one to consider is chromium (400-600mcg) to help with sugar metabolism.

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« Reply #18459 on: 17/07/2013 03:54:49 »
Been a long time since my last visit. the pages have doubled!

I see a lot of progress and while I'm usually too busy or too lazy to post, I just had to post something I noticed that might blow your mind away!

I don't know if I said this before here or not but I don't masturbate and are not currently in a sexual relationship so all my ejaculations are from wet dreams. I get these wet dreams anywhere from every 1-11 days. I got so tired of having POIS dropped on me without it being my fault AT ALL (I didn't even want the wet dreams - I HATE THEM), that I started experimenting with different things.

I stayed in bed after waking up from a wet dream for 30 mins to an hour. did this a few times. I noticed my symptoms did not start then! I was so happy obviously thinking that if I stay in bed after ejaculation I will have cured my POIS. WRONG!

Somehow after getting up and going around a bit, I had symptoms coming in 5 minutes.
All of them rushed in and I started cursing myself for even getting up. But we can't all always stay in bed.

So for the next time, I noted down my actions in that 5 minutes after getting up.

First thing I did was drink water or another drink, eat a little something as breakfast then proceed to go to the bathroom to change underwear and pee.

Next time I had a wet dream, I eliminated the drinking water part.

The difference? I still had POIS within 5 minutes and I felt extremely dehydrated afterwards (more than usual POIS)

The next time, I drank the water, skipped the food and went to pee.

The difference?  I still had POIS within 5 minutes and I felt more hungry and had more sore muscles afterwards (more than usual POIS)

Thinking I may have found the answer and needing a confirmation, the next time I tried drinking the water, eating my cereal and then NOT PEEING!

You will be amazed at what happens next!

I held my pee in for 2 more hours and the minute I couldn't take it anymore and peed, my POIS started!

Mind blown yet?

No?

Next time, the time when I was sure I will have a wet dream that night, I drank less fluids to test my idea even further (not having to go to bathroom until a longer time has passed).

I tested it with 3:30 hours. Surely enough, my symptoms only started after I peed.

Next times I even reached around the 4:30 mark, but you can understand that doing so might hurt the body so I put my limit at 3 hours now.

This also reduces symptoms by about 5% every hour it is delayed, not so big of a difference but still a bit noticable.

This is not a cure, but it might show us that this is actually something that happens when semen is still in the tract and this might just shed a big light on what's wrong.

NOTE: Do not try this method if your kidneys don't function well or you have consumed a large amount of liquids before ejaculation as this is clearly risky for the kidney and any other body parts involved when delaying the relieving of urine. I do not take any responsibility if you test this method in a wrong manner that leads to more illness.


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« Reply #18460 on: 17/07/2013 16:43:26 »
Nathan 123
Where is your Indian doctor?

Kim.

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« Reply #18461 on: 17/07/2013 17:15:55 »
Hey bastianb, nice to have you back! So that's interesting. Yes, mind is blown. I noticed it too, especially with being really thirsty. My instinct tells me that what's really happening is just a masking of our symptoms. Sometimes I take niacin during POIS just so that I can feel a temporary relief. I think the itching and tingling overpowers the discomfort caused by POIS, but once it stops the POIS comes back. Likewise, last month I almost broke my ankle, and during the severe pain I felt, my POIS was almost unnoticeable. In summary, my feeling is that discomfort overpowers POIS temporarily, but as soon as the discomfort wears off, the symptoms will "come back" (when in reality they never left).

Here's a quote about why scratching (or any other pain) relives an itch:
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"One theory says that scratching provides a counter-irritation which is a slight pain that distracts the brain to focus on the discomfort of the scratch instead of the itch."
I think something similar might be happening with us POISers, except it's not an itch we're masking. (It's our POIS symptoms.)


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« Reply #18462 on: 19/07/2013 00:55:20 »
I am not cured, ejaculating at daytime leaves me sleepy, fatigued, and some brain fog for the rest of the day. Time for mineral ratio change, I shall introduce taurine to the mix next, also the process of testing is taking a long time. Despite the HUGE improvement of my symptoms, the fatigue still ruins my freedom Testosterone increased to 5.12 ng/mL but it is still damn low. Free testosterone 20.21 pG/mL .

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« Reply #18463 on: 19/07/2013 01:15:12 »
I am not cured, ejaculating at daytime leaves me sleepy, fatigued, and some brain fog for the rest of the day. Time for mineral ratio change, I shall introduce taurine to the mix next, also the process of testing is taking a long time. Despite the HUGE improvement of my symptoms, the fatigue still ruins my freedom Testosterone increased to 5.12 ng/mL but it is still damn low. Free testosterone 20.21 pG/mL .

Gastro intestinal issues now 0%, cognitive improved 65% without taking anything after O.

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« Reply #18464 on: 19/07/2013 02:14:12 »
I was planning on taking vitamin E to reduce prolactin but what is its effect on acetycholine levels, receptors and synthesis?

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« Reply #18465 on: 19/07/2013 09:13:26 »
Unfortunately i have this syndrome,i found out

http://rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseasesw/a/100304.htm

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« Reply #18466 on: 19/07/2013 14:59:07 »
nathan123

how are you?

kima.

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« Reply #18467 on: 19/07/2013 20:06:29 »
Since the last 3-4 months I hve stopped consuming all milk products,I am feeling a lot better then previously.

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« Reply #18468 on: 20/07/2013 00:46:00 »
My diet has zero cholesterol, thanks to Crohn disease I can't eat meat, no cheese nor fried crap since the immune system attacks my intestinal walls when I eat it, I have experienced pain whit meat consuption, but I developed an egg allergy also. After a while of no eating eggs, I ate two whole eggs and had an asthma attack. Cholesterol is EXTREMELY important for hormone production but I have absolutely none on my diet. Any ideas where I can get my cholesterol?

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« Reply #18469 on: 20/07/2013 06:24:48 »
Even i am allergic to a lot of things like all milk products they make me go crazy like adhd kind of,then metals like in watches,spectacles,belt buckle they react with my skin so I use titanium or plastic spectacles,then ciggrette smoke if I smoke it gives me brain fog ,same goes wiith alcohol,nowadays I have figured a new one that is vaginal fluid after having sex if ii don't wash properly and go to sleep I get reaction on my penile skin my skin doctor diid not believe the last one he gave me an anti histamine and the moment I had iit all the ithcing and redness on the skin goes away.I was told to do the blood ige test and the result was a lot higher then the normal values.i wonder if this allergies have something to do with pois?I have a history of asthama and skin eczema too.

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« Reply #18470 on: 20/07/2013 07:48:55 »
My diet has zero cholesterol, thanks to Crohn disease I can't eat meat, no cheese nor fried crap since the immune system attacks my intestinal walls when I eat it, I have experienced pain whit meat consuption, but I developed an egg allergy also. After a while of no eating eggs, I ate two whole eggs and had an asthma attack. Cholesterol is EXTREMELY important for hormone production but I have absolutely none on my diet. Any ideas where I can get my cholesterol?

Saturated fats mainly boost cholesterol production by the liver, you don't need directly eat cholesterol. Your total cholesterol level should ideally be about 200.
Try to use clarified butter (ghee) which has the casein part removed (but maybe you can tolerate normal butter too). Try to use coconut oil, also for cooking. Use olive oil, but not so much for cooking. Try to see if you can tolerate raw egg yolks. Typically the allergen part is in the white, and cooking the yolks makes them hard to digest and the cholesterol will oxidize. Try using digestive enzymes, especially to help digesting proteins and fats. You can either use a pancreatin+bile mix (especially for digesting fats), or a protease+lipase+amylase+lactase+... mix, plus possibly containing DPP-IV if digesting casein and gluten is an issue.
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« Reply #18471 on: 20/07/2013 16:54:59 »
Hello to everyone.

I am doctor of Mr.Nathan and come to this forum on invitation by Nathan. For first few days, I observed the discussion on the forum and now I am posting my views. Nathan has explained me all the symtoms he has faced. I also seen the old posts where members have described their symtoms.

My view on this problem are as follows:

a) I read the Waldinger paper on this and I agree with the research submitted by him. As he stated, the main problem you are facing is allergic to orgasm. ( I not agree with allergic with semen). 

b) Once Nathan came to me, his AEC count was 1400. First, I provided the medicine to decrease the AEC count. After 10 days, the same came to around 270. But he had orgasm on the next day, suddenly AEC count increased to 1200 again. It confirmed me that, the problem faced by him not a psychological once and has a relation with orgasm.

c) I have seen the report of Nathan and observed that there was no abnormal in any area he was diagnosied except AEC. Hence, I came to a conclusion that so called disease has a link with the Immune system.

d) I would like to highlight here that in my career of 20 years, I have handled around 20 to 30 patients like this where because of no reason, they suffered from Brain fog like in POIS.  But my patients don't know that this is link with orgasm. They just told me that, they are suffering from symtoms you have which is variable every day. I cured all of them. (That treatment I will discuss later).


e) As per my experience and discussion with Nathan, I came to view that after orgasm, immune system of the body would over reach and produce excess histamine. Due to abnormal increase in histamine levels, other hormones and chemicals in the body would vary. Because of this, you would face, physical symptoms and mental symptoms.

f) To Nathan, for first two months, I have prescribed tablets. From this, I initially know that that will provide temprovery relief to him. As expected, he found a temprovery cure.  But to increase his confidence, I told him to he fully covered and symtoms never come again.  But, at that time, I was aware that the main cause of POIS is still in the body and it can come at any time.

g) Accordingly, I suggested the main treatment to Nathan where I told him that it is only to decrease weight and for refreshment (actually it was for removing the cause of POIS from the body). He undergone the treatment in the third month of my consultation i.e. in May and due to that treatment, his prime cause of POIS was removed / balanced from the body and now he is perfectly alright.

h) Before telling the treatment, I want to know some of the things from your side. Please do the following.
   (i) Have AEC count test on the second day of the orgasm (for most of the patients - this will be two times of normal limit).
   (ii) Don't have orgasm for 8 days.
   (iii) From second day to 8th day, please drink 20 to 30 ml of bitter gourd juice daily two times (morning and night - after food).
   (iii) On the 9th day, please have AEC Test.
   (iv) You will notice - your AEC level is in normal.   But I experienced from Nathan, even though the AEC symtoms came to normal, but still there is no relief from cognitive symtoms.  For this I don't have any answer and still not able to find the reason.
 
If the result of the above test as I explained, as per my view the main reason for the POIS is Accumulation of Toxins / Accumulation of Chemicals in body tissues / accumulation of any other waste.  Due to this, your minerals level in the body would be abnormal. Further, the immune system starts to over react for certain situation. As I explained, my earlier patients were having the trigger of this symtoms for different situations.  But in POIS, the immune system is over reacting after Orgasm which results in excess release of histamine resulting in abnormal levels of other chemicals and hormones and finally physical and mental symtoms.

Cure for this:
As explained, the main reason for POIS is accumulation of toxins in body and tissues, which is result of bad life style or may be because of food habits. Hence, the first step in the cure is removal of those accumulation from the body. This will not happen in the ordinary course of life as the accumulation would be in tissues and these will not remove in daily routine.

Hence, for this I suggest to undergone Panchakarma Treatment.  In this treatment, there are three steps which are as follows.

a) First Stage: Objective is to loosen the accumulation of toxins in the body tissues.
Snehana: Application of herbal oils on the body.
Swedana: Applying Steam herbal bath on the body, to move loosen toxins to stomach side.

b) Elimination Stage: In Panchakarma, we have five types of elimination stage, normally one elimination program will be selected depending upon the disease.  For POIS problem, one needs to undergone, Virechana i.e. induced loose motion. Due to this, all the toxins which came to stomach side will be removed from the body.

c) Post Panchakarma Stage: Strict following of diet for 7 to 8 days.

In the above steps, I explained only brief summary of the treatment. Further, in each treatment, there will be many more procedures and use of herbal medicines to achieve the objective and not so simple as explained above.

After, this, body would be free from all the accumulation and all the chemicals and hormones would be normal. From next orgasm, this symtoms will not occur and you will find a cure.  For above treatment, patient requires to admits to Panchakarma centre and it will take approximately 12 to 14 days.

I will visit after 10 days, meanwhile please post the result of the test as I mentioned above. Further, one of the member i.e Gaurav has approached last week and as per suggestion he is starting his Panchakarma treatment from tomorrow.


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« Reply #18472 on: 20/07/2013 17:18:04 »
Same as I  said  many months ago.

But  chelation  therapy even with  herbs  is not good.  And  even after  removing  those toxins from Nathans body ,  POIS will come back, since  accumulation of the metal will proceed,  nothing  changed.

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« Reply #18473 on: 20/07/2013 17:24:18 »
PLus   some of  people here got  POIS at 15 years old.   It has nothing  to do with the life style really, but with  copper imbalance, which is inherited/   Others  might have gotten toxic  over  the years.

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« Reply #18474 on: 20/07/2013 17:27:34 »
The best program  to remove toxins  safely is nutritional balancing,   in which  you  would not chelate  good  minerals  also.

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« Reply #18475 on: 20/07/2013 19:01:47 »
Hello to everyone.   I am doctor of Mr.Nathan and come to this forum on invitation by Nathan.....
 
Thanks for taking the time to share this information with us.  In the 6 years this forum has been around, we've had very few cases of people finding cures, so the prospect is exciting for us.  With regards to your question about our AEC count, I had mine tested earlier this year.  The lab work was performed one day post orgasm.  My Eosinophil % was 4% out of a 0-5% range, and my Absolute Eosinophil was 0.2 on a 0.0-0.5 K/uL range. 

That said, I certainly don't represent everyone on the forum and I'm interested to see the lab reading of others.  Even more so, I'm interested to hear about Gaurav's results with the panchakarma treatment.  Panchakarma is offered where I live in san francisco, but the cost is prohibitively expensive to try ($200 a day for 12 days).  I'm relying upon those of you in India to try this out and determine whether Nathan's results are repeatable. 

Thanks again.
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« Reply #18476 on: 20/07/2013 19:06:28 »
Virechana: Purgation Therapy
When excess bile, Pitta, is secreted and accumulated in the gall bladder, liver and small intestine, it tends to result in rashes, skin inflammation, acne, chronic attacks of fever, vomiting, nausea and jaundice. Ayurvedic literature suggests in these conditions the administration of therapeutic purgation or a therapeutic laxative.

Copper is released with bile/


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« Reply #18477 on: 20/07/2013 19:08:38 »
My AEC count was also  normal after orgasm.   Since POIS was infection based and not  inflammation based.

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« Reply #18478 on: 20/07/2013 19:09:43 »
Daniel ,

you  are not  online?

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« Reply #18479 on: 20/07/2013 19:47:12 »
I'm back...
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18480 on: 21/07/2013 14:51:04 »
POIS is basically  cancer.  And the cure for  POIS is the same as for cancer.

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« Reply #18481 on: 22/07/2013 10:33:07 »
Nathan's doctor - thank you very much for taking the time to read the posts on this forum and to make a post outlining your theory & treatment.
I have a couple of questions for you. How much difference is there between a AEC test and an Immunoglobulin E blood test?
I have not had AEC before but had my IgE levels checked. I don't have the reading but I remember my doctor telling me I was in top 0.2% of the population, so it must have been pretty high. I have numerous food intolerances and chemical sensitivities. Is a very high IgE as good as a high eosinophil count?

You said you wanted Nathan to lose weight.  I assume to help release toxins stored in body fat. Was he overweight?
What about if the person is underweight and has body fat levels under 5%. (this is me). I have actually had reduced POIS when I have managed to put on weight or have been on anabolics. When I was younger I did colonics and they helped my allergies and helped somewhat with my POIS. I did them again a few years ago and no difference. I have been living a pretty healthy lifestyle though. I would be interested in Panchakarma if I could do some of the procedure at home and some at clinic. Like someone else posted above, the resort clinics were I live offer it as part of a stay there package and it is not cheap.

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« Reply #18482 on: 22/07/2013 19:09:14 »
Nathan's doctor - thank you very much for taking the time to read the posts on this forum and to make a post outlining your theory & treatment.

helps coffee enemas?

thank you.
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« Reply #18483 on: 23/07/2013 05:40:10 »
I am a new patient


How can contact Nathan doctor? (phone or mobile or email )

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« Reply #18484 on: 23/07/2013 14:01:23 »
Nutritional Balancing Summary

nutritional balancing, aka mineral balancing, aka biochemistry balance is a treatment which pushes and pulls the biochemistry of a person in a certain direction by giving certain minerals. This makes the body function better and diseases go away. It’s a cure-all. It addresses the body in a wholistic way and it does it at the deepest level possible, rebuilding the body with minerals, but doing it using proper ratios.  Sometimes, when you know what is wrong, you can use more of a certain mineral mineral to speed up the process and reverse an imbalance faster.  When the undesirable metals come out, that causes “detox symptoms” and people feel very sick during that time.  To help with the detox, you can use a sauna made from infrared heat lamps to remove the toxins through the skin, a coffee enema to increase bile production in the liver and remove toxins through the stool, or use other methods, or just deal with it. The main minerals they give you are calcium-magnesium complex and zinc-copper-manganese complex.  Some others may be given as well. To find out what your levels are, a hair test is performed by ARL or TEI labs, but the supplements they will give you are usually about 5mg copper, 30mg manganese, 50mg zinc. It is a long and painful program that requires a lot of effort and patience and lots of resting. It is a very complex to understand program, but the treatments are very simplified.  For those wishing to understand the basics and who cant or don’t want to do the research because of your brain fog and sickness,
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There is some controversy about the diet. Larry Wilson prefers a diet made up of mostly cooked vegetables, even the cruciferous vegetables and some meat and grains.  Pam prefers something similar to the atkins diet where you eat mostly animal fats and little carbs, plus fermented foods. Others may have different ideas.

But the core of the program are the minerals. The detox methods, the diet, the lifestyle will help if done right, and may hinder the program if done wrong. Other factors may need to be taken under consideration like digestion and malabsorbtion issues, because with those you will not absorb the minerals you take.

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« Reply #18485 on: 23/07/2013 14:02:52 »
When doing research into nutritional balancing and hair tissue mineral analysis, I found a Christine Huebner, who is a vet and calls herself “dog person”. She had two dogs who were really sick and she cured them with nutritional balancing. But unlike most other nutritional balancing practitioners, who simply follow a script, she did more research and came up with her own theories. Her theory is that vitamin b2 – riboflavin stores up in the body like b12, and is also used up by the other b vitamins, so if you take other b vitamins, like a b-complex, they will deplete your b2 stores. She also used b2 to flush out the copper and iron from the liver, and had some impressive and quick improvements in health in some cases. But she keeps changing her mind on how her theory works and she did make some people, like Brenda,  worse off. I guess because they continued taking b2 for far too long and unbalanced themselves in another direction. I know that b2 and magnesium are used to cure migranes, but that is taken for only about 3 months.
I am too sick and tired to do research into this area, but if someone can look into this, and find out if infact b2 can be taken safely and effectively to flush out the copper, iron from the liver, then I think we may have a short cut in this nutritional balancing program. I don’t know if lawrence wilson or paul eck or david watts did research into b2 in the early days, I don’t have access to their research. You can ask Brenda or dan from facebook for help.
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« Reply #18486 on: 23/07/2013 14:04:53 »
POIS is basically  cancer.  And the cure for  POIS is the same as for cancer.

When I first started hearing that cancer is curable about 10 years ago and that many people have cured themselves with many different approaches, I knew that the alternative medicine field had a lot to offer. At first I heard that the unofficial vitamin b17 from apricot seeds works well. Then someone from my building used lapacho/taheebo tea, made from tree bark from peru or brazil, and got well.  Recently I heard about liquid drops that you add to water and drink it, I think its made from amino acids from cows, from Russia, called asd antiseptic dorogova. I know someone who used it and had good success with it and I cant wait to try it. Something similar, but made from different stuff, here in America, is carnivora, made from the venus fly trap plant. But the more research you do, it seems that everything causes cancer and that everything cures cancer, which means we should be cautious.
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now I know why taking baking soda and apple cider vinegar works for candida, in the stomach anyways.
Maybe the super effective systemic candida treatment lufenuron would work too.
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« Reply #18487 on: 23/07/2013 14:06:00 »
POIS is basically  cancer.  And the cure for  POIS is the same as for cancer.

Another “cancer cure” that I find very interesting, which is actually a detox method, is called neutral infection method. It is basically a way of putting the body in infection fighting mode by creating an artificial infection. You do this by putting garlic on your skin, waiting a day for a blister to form, then putting a chick pea under it and covering it with lettuce to keep it moist, and wrapping it with a bandage. After a few days there will be a wound. The chick pea acts as a foreign body and simulates an infection, and the immune system grabs the toxins that are in the body and transports them to the wound area, and the chick pea absorbs them. It takes about 3 months for it to clean the blood and then it starts cleaning the tissues. Its simple, cheap, effective and not too painful. The only time you feel pain is from the detox reactions that are taking place. It seems to be a form of chelation, ripping toxic metals out of the body. I think taking minerals would make it a smooth ride and make it safer, since chelation isn’t safe. Some people do coffee enemas to get rid of the toxins. It seems to work similar to nutritional balancing, but it bypasses the liver/kidneys and digestion and takes the toxins directly out of the body, and it does it at a deeper and deeper level, until they are all gone. I guess you can do the same thing with a sauna, but maybe it wont be as deep though. It takes about a year or two to do its job, and then the wound heals by itself and you are left with a mark.  Not much is known about this method, not even in the alternative medical field, so I don’t understand how it works, how it relates to adrenals, can you use it if you are in 4lows or anything like that. I don’t know if its as effective as nutritional balancing, more effective, less effective. Is it a safe detox method or is it like chelation. Is it better than other methods or worse, I don’t know. Each method has pluses and minuses. The pluses of this method is that it is free, takes 5 minutes a day, and is natural, which means it allows the body to get rid of toxins and perhaps metals too at its own pace and in its own order, I think. The minuses are that it looks ugly and scary, it leaves a scar after you finish it, the detox flare ups are painful (although that can be helped), and I don’t know if it balances the body or just gets rid of the toxins, and that very little is known about it. But people use it and are happy with it and it works well.
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« Reply #18488 on: 23/07/2013 16:52:29 »
Hi,

I wanted to answer some of the questions asked by you.

a) Firstly Nathan is not overweighted. But due to taking sibilium for 3 months, he put up his weight and he reached 97 from 85. 
b) Don't give much emphasis on AEC count. I mention this fact, you may find abonormal results in this area. But I am not sure whether every body has this abnormal or not.
c) Some one posted that the Panchakarma cost 200$ in their country. I felt it is little overpriced. Avg rate for the same is around 90$ per day.
d) As the course is expensive, if you are facing financial problem, don't try, please wait for the Gaurav's results, he has mailed me yesterday and he has told that his treatment has started and would post within next 15 days on the results. Let's see the result and then we can proceed.
e) Regarding IGE test, I am not a expert in that area and I don't want to comment as I not known the full fact on this.
f) Regarding my Email id to contact me as some one posted, there is no need to contact me untill the result of Gaurav. Let's see the result. 
g) Regarding it is like a cancer, I am totally agree with this, as cancer is totally severe disease (life threating) when compare to POIS.  Yours is only a imbalance in system whereas the cancer is due to formation of Cancer cells. 

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« Reply #18489 on: 23/07/2013 18:51:26 »
To   Indian  doctor,

Pois is the   the side effect of the  very serious imbalance, based on toxicities of heavy metals,  same as Cancer.   About 80% of pois people that I  dealt with  have  tumors in their body.  Bumps, infections and so forth.   To me cancer is candida and infection  and  growth of  cancer  the cells  is just  protective reaction.  When calcium metabolism  is effecient  you  capsulate  infections and   tumors  , when not    it gets complicated.


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« Reply #18490 on: 24/07/2013 07:17:37 »
Thank you again, kumardtr.  Very interested to see how Gaurav does.
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18491 on: 24/07/2013 08:27:50 »
I thought I'd take a moment to update the forum on my status. (spoiler alert: i'm not cured yet).

For the last 6 months I've been working with Herman.  I originally sent him my blood tests and he started me on a custom nutritional balancing program (similar to what nomore2013 discussed above).  I've since gotten 2 hair tests performed, the first of which was primarily used to confirm my blood tests and the 2nd which marked my progress.  Each day I take a concoction of zinc and b complex and a few other supplements.  There were some big ups and downs in the first 2 weeks, but by the end of the month I overall felt a modest improvement in energy and cognitive ability.  This modest improvement has remained at the same level, and has not improved or declined over the last 6 months.  If I stop taking the supplements, within 2 days the improvement vanishes and i feel like the same as i did before I started.  After 3-4 days back on, I feel better again
 
Apart from Herman I've used 2 other nutritional balancing practitioners (these practitioners I found online and paid for their time).  I found them hoping they could confirm everything that herman told me.  In a nutshell, neither said the exact same as what Herman recommended.  One of the practitioners was basically a muppet for dr. wilson and told me verbatim what dr. wilson would do.  The other practitioner was a muppet for dr. paul eck and told me what Eck would do.  Herman, over time, has shown me that there are pros and cons to both wilson and eck's hair test approaches.  Herman's protocol is basically a modified version of Eck's.  In the areas that Herman modifies, Herman has very good rationale and can often produce studies to explain his logic.   

I wish I could say that after this 6 month period that I'm well on my way to getting better and that i'm extremely confident in the approach.  That's simply not true.  But I clearly still maintain hope that it'll work or I wouldn't be continuing with it.  My most recent hair test has moved in the direction we planned and expected it to move, which also mimicks how I feel.  This has increased my hopes that the hair test is accurate and that the protocol is working.  Only time will tell and I will provide updates to this whenever things become clearer.   
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« Reply #18492 on: 24/07/2013 11:25:19 »
Hi Nathan's doctor,

Could we have more information about acethycholine overload and as described by Nathan ? What cause this, how it works and how to treat it ?

Thanks a lot

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« Reply #18493 on: 24/07/2013 17:37:24 »
Thanks for your update Daniel

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« Reply #18494 on: 25/07/2013 21:14:42 »
POIS is back, no more diarrhea but still brain fog, also a day after ejaculation my testicles are small and shrunken plus no improvement on POIS, also I had poor sleep

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« Reply #18495 on: 26/07/2013 06:28:22 »
Hi kumardtr
Thank you for the follow up post of yours. I have another question. Panchakarma generally has 5 parts to it. When I read up on the 5 different procedures a few of them talked about this step being beneficial for 'skin eruptions, rashes, eczema, psoriasis'. Another one talked about another step being beneficial for the respiratory system.
So my question is given the nature of pois, and how many sufferers don't really have much of issues with the respiratory system or skin disorders, are all 5 steps of the Panchakarma necessary? Could someone just do it with 3 most relevant procedures?

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« Reply #18496 on: 26/07/2013 10:07:58 »
Someone should try L-Theanine.

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« Reply #18497 on: 26/07/2013 17:42:07 »
Hi kumardtr
Thank you for the follow up post of yours. I have another question. Panchakarma generally has 5 parts to it. When I read up on the 5 different procedures a few of them talked about this step being beneficial for 'skin eruptions, rashes, eczema, psoriasis'. Another one talked about another step being beneficial for the respiratory system.
So my question is given the nature of pois, and how many sufferers don't really have much of issues with the respiratory system or skin disorders, are all 5 steps of the Panchakarma necessary? Could someone just do it with 3 most relevant procedures?

In panchakarma, there would be two preppatory steps called Senhana and Swedana. After this, in five elimination stage, one requires to select for each individual. That is depend on his basic cause of POIS.

For example, for Nathan, the causes of POIS are a) Excess masturbation - Leading to Acetycholine imbalance. b) Aama dosha in the stomac due to lack of digestive power.  For him, i suggested the Virechana and it works for him. Similarly, for each patients, dr. requires to select any one elimination. For POIS, normally it is Virechana or Basti, depending on the symtoms.

Gaurav has text me today and he already completed 4 day session.   Hoping for the best.

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« Reply #18498 on: 26/07/2013 18:03:18 »
kumardtr.

Doctor, if not possible, to do Panchakarma, what do you recommend further?


Thank you.
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« Reply #18499 on: 26/07/2013 18:40:19 »
Verichana is just a liver flush basically with castor oil.   People with estrogen dominance  could get better  fast.  But it wont solve  the main problem  .  Nathan had  estrogen dominance,  which he drank  vitamin C for and then  flushed his liver.   POIS has many other aspects to it...and  in 10 days  it is impossible to get rid of  mercury toxicity for instance.  It is a joke.