Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18550 on: 29/07/2013 19:06:55 »
... it wont work  on alzheimers on  every case,  although I  saw people  who got rid of  so called uncurable desease ...
... So please., give facts  not some   bs articles.

It's a fact that Alzheimers causes irreversible brain damage : so is not curable, not in any case ...

Quote from: nih.gov
Alzheimer’s disease is an irreversible, progressive brain disease that slowly destroys memory and thinking skills, and eventually even the ability to carry out the simplest tasks.
http://www.nia.nih.gov/alzheimers/publication/alzheimers-disease-fact-sheet


I dont work for ARL and I  make no money  helping people ...

I never said you did, you doth protest too much.
« Last Edit: 29/07/2013 20:32:38 by RD »

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« Reply #18551 on: 29/07/2013 19:10:40 »
RD,  they dont know what alzheimers is,  all those articles and studies  are being done now, they are 20 years past what dr ECk did in the  80s,  this is really pathetic....Studies coming out not , proving what the  guy did in the 80s and 90s.

Same as Phfiefer...

Humanity is getting  "stupider" I guess.    It is like in that movie  "Idiocracy""    BALLS will be soon a  show  that we all watch...

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« Reply #18552 on: 29/07/2013 23:18:49 »
I forgot that I had a corticosteroid injection for back pain which explains the symptoms I described last post, clumsy me. I also had a test some time ago after of estrogen before the injection and when pois reduced.Estrogen was very low on the low range of spectrum, but the results got lost . Back pain was reduced greatly, but I feel weak, low testosterone, poor concentration etc. Modern medicine sucks, I need a terminal illness and so that I can visit like 20 specialists to get any test done and then waste money on drugs that ruin my life .

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« Reply #18553 on: 30/07/2013 10:44:45 »
hermna,can you tell me what thing cures werner syndrome and save my life becuase there is not treamnet yet found,only vitamin c and i dont know how much.?

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« Reply #18554 on: 30/07/2013 10:46:18 »
And secondle how to do relaible gene test online as in pakistan gene test not availble.i have all the symptoms wrn gene mutation that is werner sydrome but not tested yet

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« Reply #18555 on: 30/07/2013 11:38:19 »
Gonda,

Why do you think you  have werner syndrom.. Premature  aging  could be from  many imbalances.  Collagen loss,  wrinkly skin  and so  forth .. These are  symptoms of copper deficiency.. Same as POIS,    copper could be deficient or  toxic  in POIS,    in both cases you would get low ceruloplasmin and high histamines.

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« Reply #18556 on: 30/07/2013 19:45:04 »
Hi All,

Lets discuss the following, bit by bit:

From the tests that I recieved  recently,  almost every single  person   has low ceruloplasmin   in their blood.   
What do you mean by saying low?
From the blood tests of POIS-sufferers I see on the Russian Forum for Ceruloplasmin all results are within the reference range 15-60 mg/dL
Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ranges_for_blood_tests
Blood Test Results for POIS sufferers:
http://zdoroforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1229

Ceruloplasmin  is  copper based protein that  binds copper and carries it all over  including  into  the bile to detox. 
Bear with me,    you  have copper  in your serum and 95% of that copper should be bound to ceruloplasmin.
This is incorrect or outdated. The correct at the moment is: "Ceruloplasmin carries about 70% of the total copper in human plasma while albumin carries about 15%". Proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceruloplasmin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19076073

To test it  people  have  serum copper test and  ceruloplasmin tests,  from  which  you get  free copper  content.   
Okay, this way you are trying to estimate non-ceruloplasmin bound copper or "free copper", but as discussed below, this estimation is unreliable, e.g. one cannot reliably determine free copper based on ceruloplasmin blood test and serum copper test:
http://www.clinchem.org/content/51/8/1558.full

Free copper  equals free estrogens  which  affect your inflammatory  systems.
I can't find any proof of this in medical literature. Could you provide anything that supports this claim?

I'm going to continue with the rest of this post later.

Thanks,
Victor

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« Reply #18557 on: 30/07/2013 21:09:01 »
Victor,

NCC  sometimes gives you negative  values,  not because calculation is not reliable  , but because   serum  copper is not  adjusted for age or sex and ceruloplasmin  correctly.
If you dont trust  these  calculations which I  do the correct way ,  you can always do  direct free copper test.

There are  formulas  that  calculate  free levels using albumin   multiple also , same as for calcium.

You can  test  free estradiol and compare  it with  your free copper levels,  which will correlate/
You cant find this stuff on the internet.)))

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on.
Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 

Values that I  present  completely  match  hairtests with 100% accuracy , if you know how to read the  hairtest correctly
Most of the time  I ask for both blood and hair .

Ceruloplasmin  value

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« Reply #18558 on: 30/07/2013 21:18:17 »
Ceruloplasmin  values usually range  from 20 to 60,   


Same as for  thyroid hormone  FT3,    range can be from 1 to 5 lets say ....you think  having FT3 =1 is normal?     you will be already  very much hypothyroid.( you will have panic attacks at  FT3=1)    but to you  it is  in the normal range..  Same is for  the ranges for almost every mineral... It is not the outside of the  range  that I look at  but I look at  relationship with other  minerals.   I thought you knew that. 
 

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« Reply #18559 on: 30/07/2013 21:26:57 »
Victor,

Your wikepidia   article  states on ranges..
Since you read this article  I dont understand your questions. 
 
The answers are right there.



Usual or optimal
Reference ranges are usually given as what are the usual (or normal) values found in the population, more specifically the prediction interval that 95% of the population fall into. This may also be called standard range. In contrast, optimal (health) range or therapeutic target is a reference range or limit that is based on concentrations or levels that are associated with optimal health or minimal risk of related complications and diseases. For most substances presented, the optimal levels are the ones normally found in the population as well. More specifically, optimal levels are generally close to a central tendency of the values found in the population. However, usual and optimal levels may differ substantially, most notably among vitamins and blood lipids, so these tables give limits on both standard and optimal (or target) ranges.

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« Reply #18560 on: 30/07/2013 21:31:53 »
Victor,

The example  for NCC and adjusted copper.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16644878

 I thought about everything , believe me.

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« Reply #18561 on: 30/07/2013 21:47:43 »
Victor,

I guess it is your way   to make me do  your research for you..)))   
You know how busy I am .....

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« Reply #18562 on: 30/07/2013 23:56:59 »
Victor,

Copper deficiency or coppper toxicity will both lead to  low ceruloplasmin .  Also  most of the people will have  Low  NA/K 
ratio.  Since  good estrogen  increases  aldosterone production  which retains  sodium  into the cell, the lack of it  will   impact sodium levels and   manganese levels...since good estrogen  retains manganese /  Manganese   usually  inhibits  acetylcholinestarase    raising  acetylcholine levels . 
When  ratio dopamine acetlylcholine or    serotonin acetylcholine gets  impaired  you  get problems.

Also  your thyroid  can be  suppresed my mercury,   in that case   adrenals will compensate by  secreting  extra  cortisol  to support Potassium in the  cell.    But that would lead to  a  so called adrenals fatigue, since  aldosterone  and sodium levels  suffer because of that, and also  your immune system  suffers.


Cheers,
Herman

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« Reply #18563 on: 31/07/2013 00:10:03 »
Victor,

I think this  one is better explaning   copper adjustment if you still interested in  calculations...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1860450/

If not  do the free copper, the problem is that  it is rarely  could be obtained in Russia, as you probably know.

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« Reply #18564 on: 31/07/2013 00:31:41 »
Victor,

The explanation  that I wrote that you quoted  is meant to be  easy to understand  information..  Every  step of the  calculations and  process that I actually do  is based and supported by  research studies and  my own  lab  measures, since I have already a lot of them., far beyound russian forum  tests or  americans  who  posts here.   Readers who dont post    make  80%  of people  who  ask for  help..


And the theory  is not described on the internet ,   since  if it were   then  we would have no problem , would we.

The main  aspect   for you to study would be   ceruloplasmin   histamine  connection  and  ceruloplasmin  iron connection and  ceruloplasmin  dopamine to noradrenaline  adrenaline   conversion  connection..... 
I dont have  time to  provide those studies for you,  but  they are there easily accesed.   

Also you can  see many studies on  ceruloplasmin and stress connection  ,   estrogen  therapy    treatment to exhausted   rats    study.
If I have time  I will  post them here  or  your skype..
Good luck..


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« Reply #18565 on: 31/07/2013 02:45:50 »
Herman, creating a separate post for each point you make does nothing but spam this thread and make your replies difficult to follow (ex. your last reply to Victor was 8 posts!). 

Can you create a single post to address someone or to discuss a topic?  When writing a post with many points a hard return after each point will separate the ideas and make them easy to follow.

A single thread for everything POIS is already convoluted and difficult to follow (it doesn't need any additional help :)!

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« Reply #18566 on: 31/07/2013 14:38:01 »
I wonder what's up with Gaurav?

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« Reply #18567 on: 31/07/2013 15:43:16 »
Limejuice,

I  understanid what you are saying. It is just sometimes I  post what I think without really organizing it or spending time on the post.  And later I think  of something else to add or I am looking for some article to back up the statement and  most of the time  for some reason my  original post gets lost . It happened so many times  , that I decided to  just  post as I go.. I will try to  collaborate it into  one post.

Cheers,
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« Reply #18568 on: 31/07/2013 19:57:38 »
Victor,

NCC  sometimes gives you negative  values,  not because calculation is not reliable  , but because   serum  copper is not  adjusted for age or sex and ceruloplasmin  correctly.
If you dont trust  these  calculations which I  do the correct way ,  you can always do  direct free copper test.
I do not trust NCC calculations - true. Why do you think you do them the correct way? What formula do you use for NCC calculations (the answer to this question is very important to me)?

There are  formulas  that  calculate  free levels using albumin   multiple also , same as for calcium.

You can  test  free estradiol and compare  it with  your free copper levels,  which will correlate/
You cant find this stuff on the internet.)))
To determine if anything correlates or not I need to have at least 20-30 independent test results or maybe even more. And then test correllation hypothesis using Chi Square criterion, for example. The problem - I don't have 20-30 test results. 

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on.
Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 
This is expected that studies can contradict each other. One experiment shows nothing, you need to carefully organize several INDEPENDENT experiments at least 5 or more to make correct judgements. So studies might have non-accurate results, but this doesn't mean you should discard all the studies. Medical studies is the only source of most up to date scientific medical information. Medical books have outdated information, because they are based on older studies.

Values that I  present  completely  match  hairtests with 100% accuracy , if you know how to read the  hairtest correctly
Most of the time  I ask for both blood and hair .
Hairtests aren't regarded as reliable scientific method of health parameters testing as already noted by RD. I agree with him, because I can't find scientific proofs they are.

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« Reply #18569 on: 31/07/2013 20:00:03 »
Victor,

I think this  one is better explaning   copper adjustment if you still interested in  calculations...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1860450/

If not  do the free copper, the problem is that  it is rarely  could be obtained in Russia, as you probably know.

Great, thanks, I will check this!

Victor

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« Reply #18570 on: 31/07/2013 20:02:31 »
Herman, I don't force you to answer. You can answer later or not answer at all, no problems. My post was meant to discuss your theory with people on this forum and find scientific proofs of your claims and approaches.

Victor

Victor,

I guess it is your way   to make me do  your research for you..)))   
You know how busy I am .....

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« Reply #18571 on: 31/07/2013 20:17:55 »
Herman,

I check supporting links for claims in wikipedia. This section have link to website of nutrition manufacturer Adeeva. This can't be regarded as scientific source. I didn't find scientific studies on optimal blood test studies yet, perhaps I didn't search carefully, but I'm going to seek hard for scientifically approved optimal ranges of blood tests if they exist.

Victor

Victor,

Your wikepidia   article  states on ranges..
Since you read this article  I dont understand your questions. 
 
The answers are right there.



Usual or optimal
Reference ranges are usually given as what are the usual (or normal) values found in the population, more specifically the prediction interval that 95% of the population fall into. This may also be called standard range. In contrast, optimal (health) range or therapeutic target is a reference range or limit that is based on concentrations or levels that are associated with optimal health or minimal risk of related complications and diseases. For most substances presented, the optimal levels are the ones normally found in the population as well. More specifically, optimal levels are generally close to a central tendency of the values found in the population. However, usual and optimal levels may differ substantially, most notably among vitamins and blood lipids, so these tables give limits on both standard and optimal (or target) ranges.


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« Reply #18572 on: 01/08/2013 00:59:58 »
Victor,

First who told you that wikepidia is   a good source.  To me  it is audited with very outdated information constanly.

Secondly, you seem to not understand that  all information  that is online is a rookie  bs crap.

Most of the good stuff would never be published.



Hairtests are very accurate since I checked them with blood..  Neither RD nor you  ever  conducted any studies. I have   a population of a lot more  than 20-30 tests. And  every test was matched with blood,   and ARL hairtest is consistent with blood 100%.

I dont understand why you guys are parroting  idiotic articles that you find online..
I am stating facts that I  have experienced.

This is my method of evaluation ..how can  anyone  argue with optimal levels  or ranges that I  set.

This system is not used  and  you cant find anything on it.  It is my way to  use ranges.   



As far as hairtest goes,  it is much easier to do one hairtest and see metabolism  of 30-40 minerals and at leats 10 systems in the body  if you know how to read it of course. The same blood  test would cost over 500-700 dollars each time.

That is why hairtest is used.

It is odd to  beilive something  that you never tried.  People that base their opinion on historical data  written in  wikepidia     cant  make any assesment of  the information I offer.. 
Every chain connection  that  I  explain  could be proven by those studies., that you can find that is true...But  those studies are  just something done by someone else and  under certain conditions.

Arguement about ranges and NCC is totally  not valid.   I provided you with the  new formula and mentioned that you can always get FREE COPPER tested.

And lastly ,  to experience  something  you should  do it once.., you know the info  to get your hairtest.  Instead of  arguing  and  questioning it,  why dont you try it , and    if you  find  any differencies from your blood metabolism , I will  buy the test  for you ...)))

The research that was done  by  doctor  Eck  dr Watts   is 10 years ahead of what  people are doing now.  Even  Phieffers work  is  totally valid now and is used  by top notch  centers  to cure incurable  problems.   Dr  Eck  created  mineral analysis which was completely  systemized... There are people  that are researching and improving his work

I am testing  everything myself for years now,   plus   I am collecting  tonns of  data and tests , from over 500  POIS sufferers.   Their problem is definetely  not POIS, but  other major health problems.   


The major problem is  that ALL BLOOD TESTS are not reliable and HAIR TEST is much more reliable.
Why?

Do you know that  all the ranges Victor that you mentioned are bogus.   Every lab has  a certain equipment    and do  the same tests in the same units but     the ranges will be different,   so to know  if you got right values  you will need to do  2-3 labs at the same time..which will be  thousands of dollars..

BLood tests  are  not reliable  period,  I can  tell you  that  for sure..  I wish they were, since it would be easier, but they are not....And  I am  really really careful with  them.



P.S     This is mostly   for your info , since I am not going to prove anything to anybody ,  I know what  I know. And I am not a  doctor,  and I dont  make money.  I just help with what I can .   And I would never understand  when someone  argues about something that they have no experience or understanding  about.    Try  it out , make your opinion and then  argue away.    Lately I am putting  a lot of time into this forum , so  this info  will be useful for someone, since I wont post here  in a short while and  wont be able to  help., I am going to be involved in  another project. 


Cheer,
Herman


 

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« Reply #18573 on: 01/08/2013 07:19:04 »
Gonda,

Why do you think you  have werner syndrom.. Premature  aging  could be from  many imbalances.  Collagen loss,  wrinkly skin  and so  forth .. These are  symptoms of copper deficiency.. Same as POIS,    copper could be deficient or  toxic  in POIS,    in both cases you would get low ceruloplasmin and high histamines.
Ok how can i test this to make sure any blood tests? but i have other symtoms of wrn too like heart disease,parenrs are cousins,hair loss etc and lack of growth supurt small adn weak bones smalll hands
« Last Edit: 01/08/2013 10:39:46 by gondal4 »

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« Reply #18574 on: 01/08/2013 17:49:33 »
Remaining five days of Panchakarma Treatment.  My doctor suggested to have orgasm after 6 days of full treatment. Will update the result soon.

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« Reply #18575 on: 01/08/2013 18:31:54 »
lets do the poll...


Who says Guarav will have  POIS after his orgasm?

I am  pretty sure  he  wont have POIS... 

P.S   registered a month ago on this forum.

Smells like some kind of   BS.

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« Reply #18576 on: 01/08/2013 18:39:18 »
Well,  now it all makes  sense.  Gaurav person  is a front man of some kind of  setup. ID registered  a month ago, never posted pre Kumars  statements.
 Indian  conspiracy?

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« Reply #18577 on: 02/08/2013 03:32:13 »
gauruav did you do diet restricions/and use the same things nathan used before he started pancacharkarma.
it seems like you are only doing pancacharkarma.


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« Reply #18578 on: 02/08/2013 03:35:22 »
Well,  now it all makes  sense.  Gaurav person  is a front man of some kind of  setup. ID registered  a month ago, never posted pre Kumars  statements.
 Indian  conspiracy?
It is not a conspiracy, gaurav is not even in india, he is in a different country, i think malaysia. The doctor has nothing to gain monetary since we have to visit him in india inother to treat us. He is only trying to see if whatever works on nathan will work on someonelse.  At least is not claiming he has answer to pois because he helped one patient.

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« Reply #18579 on: 02/08/2013 12:39:34 »
This is funny how people would justify  anything  when they are desperate. 
CertainlyPOIS  you are obviously  buying tickets to India, arent you?

Lets  get the group  and all go there,  it would be fun for a vacation.)))

Kumar came out and said that  Nathan  got  POIS from  overmasturbation and  imbalance of acetylcholine.( which I agree, since I stated that  months earlier)
So the question is  how the hell did Nathan get toxic from it? ahhahah   
Did he get toxic from  all those dirty porn videos?   Did he all of a sudden  get mercury toxicity  from  2 chicks and 2 guys on the screen? 

This makes no sense whatsoever.



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« Reply #18580 on: 02/08/2013 12:50:35 »
Obstruction  of bile and  copper toxicity  and   fatty liver is the  possible  thing.  Since  both of  Guarav and Nathan  I bet had   fatty liver and  estrogen dominance.  That is why  any liver flush would help them.  Especially Nathan who took zinc for 25 days.   I had  some people take zinc for a week and got rid of POIS,  same as some people who posted on this  forum before.  So if you do  zinc and then do  cleanses  may be  it would work....But how would cleanse replenish  zinc ?   

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« Reply #18581 on: 02/08/2013 13:01:31 »
Also a huge possibility  would be  POT SMOKING.    I bet Nathan smokes a lot of POT. 

I found that many many POIS sufferers abused POT a lot.  If that guy smoked POT and masturbated,  then  it is a  double pressure on  Acetylcholine  system.

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« Reply #18582 on: 02/08/2013 14:10:00 »
Also a huge possibility  would be  POT SMOKING.    I bet Nathan smokes a lot of POT. 
Or maybe he doesn't take recreational drugs at all. Wow...

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« Reply #18583 on: 02/08/2013 14:27:27 »
Well,  now it all makes  sense.  Gaurav person  is a front man of some kind of  setup. ID registered  a month ago, never posted pre Kumars  statements.
 Indian  conspiracy?
Its not like kumardtr is selling his special blend ayurvedic cure or selling package deals to his clinic in India. People are free to make their mind up or try out of desperation whatever they want. Preferably its not the later. I personally think ayurvedic medicine is a little over rated, but its concept of body type influencing a person's health I can relate to. Panchakarma which is basically a detox I also think could be a valid approach to pois as it has been for a number people who suffer not too similar issues after taking proscar/finisteride. As Herman has pointed out there other detox methods that a person can do at home.
for me over masterbation was not the cause of pois. At the same time I developed sleeping problems, allergies, chemical sensitivities, signs of toxic condition (coated tongue, skin issues, dandruff).

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« Reply #18584 on: 02/08/2013 15:00:26 »
Kurtosis,


Or may be that he does,since I know that .WOW

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« Reply #18585 on: 02/08/2013 17:11:16 »
Kurtosis,


Or may be that he does,since I know that .WOW

I have no idea why Nathan123 would tell you whether he uses recreational drugs or not. However, if he did, I don't think you should be bringing it up on this forum as I doubt he told you anything with the intention of you broadcasting it to the group.

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« Reply #18586 on: 02/08/2013 17:25:27 »
Kurtosis,

The key word was "May be" in that  sentence.  And secondly   you are very reactive to this  pot smoking statement.
Anyone who would  use word "Recreational"  for drugs,  becomes a suspect  of a drug use in my book, hence it sounds a little like justification  of their  use.

 So now we know  where you  got your POIS from?

Using drugs , or taking  medical drugs  is the number one  thing that needs to be  talked about, since  I  found  from experience that so many cases of  POIS were  based  solely on that.


Cheers,
Herman




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« Reply #18587 on: 02/08/2013 17:42:26 »
Kurtosis,

The key word was "May be" in that  sentence.  And secondly   you are very reactive to this  pot smoking statement.
Anyone who would  use word "Recreational"  for drugs,  becomes a suspect  of a drug use in my book, hence it sounds a little like justification  of their  use.

 So now we know  where you  got your POIS from?

Using drugs , or taking  medical drugs  is the number one  thing that needs to be  talked about, since  I  found  from experience that so many cases of  POIS were  based  solely on that.


Cheers,
Herman


Herman,
I'm reactive to someone making an allegation of drug use on this forum. There used to be rules here. You either know something about Nathan123 or you don't. I don't give a crap for silly word games.

As for me using the word "recreational" for drug use. It implies nothing more than that I use the word recreational to describe the use of a drug such as cannabis where it's possible the user is socially-functional and responsible. I don't smoke pot. I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke anything, even cigarettes. This is not a judgement on anyone else, just a response to your insinuation.



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« Reply #18588 on: 02/08/2013 18:03:24 »
Kurtosis,

You started the  "word" games  and I answered.  It was perfectly  clear what I meant  with Nathan,  especially for someone  smart like you.  If there were rules on this forum,  we would not have this  pranchakarma or Nathan  conversation  in the first place, since  it has nothing to do with  science or  theoretical  views on  POIS.
It is great that  you  cleared up  that you dont use drugs, I   was worried for a second.
But it is not about  using drugs or  drinking alcohol  at present,   most people cant use them any more,   and most  want to  go back to their previous life style, which  POIS took away from them.   
 When I  was sick, I could not  drink  alchohol  at all,  although  I  have  and wanted to  again. Huge difference

The  connection that I wanted to  emphasize was pot and masturbation.   Vast majority of complulsive masturbators  are   illegal  substance users, since after a while  you need that extra  perk.






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« Reply #18589 on: 02/08/2013 18:12:09 »
Sanity and  social responsiblity on canabis?   you must be kidding right?

Canabis screws you up in 2 years so hard , it is not even funny,  much much worse than alcohol. Testosterone  drops are tremendous.  And you would not even know what hit you.  Tell this stuff to wives that lost their  husbands to  canabis.   I saw  many many  cases where  people lost everything on  that drug, jobs family  health  and  especially sanity .

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« Reply #18590 on: 02/08/2013 18:22:00 »
Hey guys,

I've been browsing this board for a year or so now but haven't had much to contribute.  I've suffered from POIS for about 15 years now and have had the usual symptoms (fatigue, brain fog, depression, soreness, etc).  I was happy to find this board and others in my situation, but became frustrated at the lack of knowledge of this disease.  I personally never believed that POIS was an allergy to semen or that a random combination of supplements I'd never heard of would cure me.  Regardless, I tried many supplements (such as niacin and olive oil leaf) with no luck.  I also finally talked to my doctor about this and I'm pretty sure he thought I was crazy.  I started to accept the fact that I would never overcome this and would deal with this horrible illness for the rest of my life.

I would check this board every so often to see if anyone was having any luck and came across some posts by Gbolduev regarding copper and zinc.  I looked into copper toxicity and found similar symptoms to what I was experiencing.  I decided to give zinc supplements a chance and went out and bought a bottle.  This week I have had an orgasm four days in a row with zinc supplements afterwards.  My POIS symptoms have been greatly reduced.  I have been able to function normally for the most part with only some minor fatigue (could easily be unrelated to POIS).

I'm trying to not get ahead of myself, but I have more hope now than ever.  I also plan to speak with my doctor about this when I go back in a few weeks.

Anyway, I just wanted to share a little about my POIS experience and thank everyone for their insight and especially Gbolduev for his knowledge and help.

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« Reply #18591 on: 02/08/2013 18:33:39 »
Well,  now it all makes  sense.  Gaurav person  is a front man of some kind of  setup. ID registered  a month ago, never posted pre Kumars  statements.
 Indian  conspiracy?

I was observing this forum from the past 3 years when Demo was the overall admin of the forum and also contributed to the Fund raised for POIS research.  But never registered and never posted my views. However, last one month back, I found one new result, i.e. after undergoing Abdoment CT Scan found few abnormal results i.e. Fatty Liver. I posted in the forum whether any body has the result of this.  But no one has replied / expressed any point for this.  In the mean time, Nathan has contacted me and explained his theory and cure.  Further, his doctor had conversation with my doctor in malayasia over skype. 

On this, I started Panncakarma treatment in my local area.  Let's see how it works.  Don't worry, I will update the fare results.

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« Reply #18592 on: 02/08/2013 18:44:56 »
Thanks Guarav,


just as I said,  fatty liver.

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« Reply #18593 on: 02/08/2013 18:57:06 »
ZincW,

Glad you listened. It is  crazy that people  dont  dig with 2 hands into zinc copper balance .  Nathan was taking  zinc for 25 days,  and his blood test showed  estradiol  55 , which is high .  Zinc  increased progesterone and   suppressed  estradiol for him... Then he did pranchakarma which  cleaned out  bile  flow. Copper is being excreted thru  bile. 
I doubt without  zinc he would have any  results from  pranchakarma alone...  I cant beileve people dont get it..)))

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« Reply #18594 on: 03/08/2013 10:18:27 »
Hello to all of you,
 
I'm tracking the forum for a few years. I'm pois sufferer as well, my muscles are weak, mind is dimmed so much, I hear schreeches in my eares, my nose is clogged, my skin is itchy etc. every time I have an O.  It lasts at least 3 days.
I'm happy for everyone who is cured and I have to say that most of what Gbolduev says sound very reasonable and promising. I did enemas , took 500 Ca , 700Mg and 30 mg Zn and kelp for two weeks and did not see any improvement.
So I'm now convinced to try liver flush with supplements. I would really undergo the same procedures as Nathan, despite the fact that Gbolduev's contrarguments are comprehensible. Because the most crucial is that he is cured. But I don't have acces to patchkarma or ayurvedic doctor so I will try this by myself. But I have some questions, especially for you Gbolduev: what diet should I go by ( the same as Nathan? ) How long should I do liver flushes and should I take coffee enemas simultaneously? And what dose of which supplements should I take ( I don't really understand how you count the all ratios and dosages of supplements)?

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« Reply #18595 on: 03/08/2013 11:45:59 »
Hi All,

Even though I dont really care finding what is the cause of this, maybe to think about it can help to find a solution ; For the record, I kinda abuse with pot for years and I have to say POIS state is quite similar to post pots usage state ; I also abuse with masturbation ; Both are apparently related to cholinergic system ; My inch is by making Ach going up and down for years we kinda used the system and its ability to autoregulate itself. It the same thing with SSRI's(wich I also take for two years) ; there is today very high scientific probability that they screw up brain homeostasy...psychiatrist call it "tardive dysphoria"..Funny bastard...SSRI's did'nt cause the problem but they definitly make it worse.
I think metal imbalance is very plausible but the question is why we got that in the first place...and why like anyone else, the body did'nt compensate itself(I've ton of friends that did abuse masturbation and pots and they are perfectly fine)....How many of you guy have tested ceruloplasmin ?...Every person who I talked with about that have low CP meaning high free(toxic) copper in the blood...I also did felf great on Zinc for 2 weeks...And then recrash...It's a pity that there is no better information source about copper/zinc imbalance than 2 or 3 guys that are not really considered by medecine maintstream.

Cheers

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« Reply #18596 on: 03/08/2013 12:05:15 »
… I'm pois sufferer as well, my muscles are weak, mind is dimmed so much, I hear schreeches in my eares, my nose is clogged, my skin is itchy etc

“I hear schreeches in my eares, ” =>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

Vasculitis affecting cranial nerves can produce tinnitus … https://www.google.com/search?q=vasculitis++tinnitus ,
Vasculitis affecting nose can cause excessive mucus (which can be blood-streaked) ,  vasculitis affecting brain (unsurprisingly) can case cognitive dysfunction. Cutaneous vasculitis can be itchy (pruritic).

I have to say that most of what Gbolduev says sound very reasonable and promising.

Your syndrome has definitely affected your brain Maciej :¬)


NB: for vasculitis you should also read pseudovasculitis, some of the latter are hormone-mediated.
Hormones which increase after orgasm could be the trigger (Prolactin ?).
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« Reply #18597 on: 03/08/2013 13:29:45 »
Dear RD,

The joke about my brain? Leave it without a comment. MOre important is the fact that you (and also some other people here) approach to pois without noticing one very importnant fact. All     symptoms       are      triggered       by     ejaculation and probably most of us here seem to be in good shape in the time between the ones. So it's a bit naive to claim that some vasculitis is troubling me and, in the process, every other person here. Try to measure inflammatory indicator like i.e. CRP, leukocytes. Immunoglobulines which are often linked with vasculitis. You can have alterations in kidneys (i.e. haematuria), in liver (aminotrasferases are high) lungs and so one, Raynaud syndrome, cyanosis, necrosis. They occur because vessels are blocked by immunoglobuline complex or granulomas and they don't just disappear after a few days of abstaining sex. You can list tons of them. They're different than pois, there are many kinds of vasculitis and some of them are much more severe than pois and the symtomps don't aggravate after sex. So please don't support your medical, biochemistrical knowledge with wikipedia and try not to match at all costs the symptoms of other diseases just because they merely fit with pois'.

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« Reply #18598 on: 03/08/2013 14:17:44 »
RD,

I dont recall you suffering from POIS at all.   You have never tried hair analysis, you have never been tested. You did not conduct any studies.. You just sit here and post some  articles from  sites.. I see the dynamics  in real life  on blood test hair tests not on some papers written by idiots.
I cured my POIS.  You never had  it.  So how can you even  recommend anything to these people? 
Or  argue with anything.  It is  simply  not ethical.

It is wierd  when  someone  who never had a desease argues with someone  who cured it, and  notice not only  for myself anymore.
One day  when the light would be  shed on this POIS  by  Medical community  , you will be digging yourself inside of your soul, everytime you remember about me and about hairtests)))

Good luck,
Herman

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« Reply #18599 on: 03/08/2013 14:35:16 »
RD,

2 posts earlier  the guy came out and said he is almost POIS free after taking zinc  for a week... Previosly  another person  got rid of  POIS  with treatment from Pyrouria..    Do you understand that  most people are pyroluric.  MOST.
It is a matter of a degree and stress.

If this  is not copper and zinc balance problem , then I am  russian ballet dancer.)))