Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18600 on: 03/08/2013 15:30:38 »
gauravnew

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« Reply #18601 on: 03/08/2013 18:57:53 »
.... most people [with POIS] are pyroluric ...

I’d never heard of  “Pyrouria” before , now I know why …
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Few, if any, medical experts regard the condition as genuine, and few or no articles on pyroluria are found in modern medical literature; the approach is described as "snake oil" by pediatrician and author Julian Haber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry

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« Reply #18602 on: 03/08/2013 19:17:53 »
Dear RD ... MOre important is the fact that you (and also some other people here) approach to pois without noticing one very importnant fact. All     symptoms       are      triggered       by     ejaculation ...

If you'd read my post you'd see I proposed a mechanism whereby ejaculation could trigger systemic pseudovasculitis via a spike in prolacin levels : the hormone prolacin can affect coagulation, ( pseudovasculitis includes formation of microthrombi ).  So I did notice the "one very importnant fact" .
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« Reply #18603 on: 03/08/2013 19:22:54 »
Hello to all of you,
 
I'm tracking the forum for a few years. I'm pois sufferer as well, my muscles are weak, mind is dimmed so much, I hear schreeches in my eares, my nose is clogged, my skin is itchy etc. every time I have an O.  It lasts at least 3 days.
I'm happy for everyone who is cured and I have to say that most of what Gbolduev says sound very reasonable and promising. I did enemas , took 500 Ca , 700Mg and 30 mg Zn and kelp for two weeks and did not see any improvement.
So I'm now convinced to try liver flush with supplements. I would really undergo the same procedures as Nathan, despite the fact that Gbolduev's contrarguments are comprehensible. Because the most crucial is that he is cured. But I don't have acces to patchkarma or ayurvedic doctor so I will try this by myself. But I have some questions, especially for you Gbolduev: what diet should I go by ( the same as Nathan? ) How long should I do liver flushes and should I take coffee enemas simultaneously? And what dose of which supplements should I take ( I don't really understand how you count the all ratios and dosages of supplements)?



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« Reply #18604 on: 03/08/2013 19:43:09 »
Gbolduev,
It’s is time for you to change the way you post, you have gone to far and if you dont change you will be banned. I am going list the things you have to stop doing.
1. You have to stop harassing other posters and calling them names.                                                                                                             
2.  You have to stop acting like the foremost authority on pois. You are obviously not.                                       
3. You need to stop giving medical advice, you are not a doctor.                                                                                   
 4. You need to stop making claims about pois without scientific evidence.  If you want to make a claim you can find time to provide the article supporting your point.                                                                           
5. You need stop saying you have cured multiple pois cases. You have never provided evidence of anyone.                                                                                                                                                   
6. You need to stop making extraordinary claims about major diseases that are blatantly false.                     
7. You have to stop saying scientific articles are useless.                                                                                         
8. You need to stop advocating hair test as a measure for the body chemisty. Hair analysis has been proving by the medical researchers as insufficient.                                                                                                 
 9. Stop making claims about cerupolasim being the cause of pois, again you have solid evidence.

Below are examples of you breaking this rules.

Hairtests are very accurate since I checked them with blood..  Neither RD nor you  ever  conducted any studies. I have   a population of a lot more  than 20-30 tests. And  every test was matched with blood,   and ARL hairtest is consistent with blood 100%.

I dont understand why you guys are parroting  idiotic articles that you find online..
I am stating facts that I  have experienced.This is my method of evaluation ..how can  anyone  argue with optimal levels  or ranges that I  set.This system is not used  and  you cant find anything on it.  It is my way to  use ranges.   

As far as hairtest  goes,  it is much easier to do one hairtest and see metabolism  of 30-40 minerals and at leats 10 systems in the body  if you know how to read it of course. The same blood  test would cost over 500-700 dollars each time.

The main  aspect   for you to study would be   ceruloplasmin   histamine  connection  and  ceruloplasmin  iron connection and  ceruloplasmin  dopamine to noradrenaline  adrenaline   conversion  connection.....  I dont have  time to  provide those studies for you,  but  they are there easily accesed.   Also you can  see many studies on  ceruloplasmin and stress connection  ,   estrogen  therapy    treatment to exhausted   rats    study.

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on. Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 

They dont know what alzheimers is,  all those articles and studies  are being done now, they are 20 years past what dr ECk did in the  80s,  this is really pathetic....Studies coming out not , proving what the  guy did in the 80s and 90s.
It is not a pancea, it wont work  on alzheimers on  every case,  although I  saw people  who got rid of  so called uncurable desease.                                                                                                                                             
I know people who got rid of cancer  this year.  I cured myself of  POIS and dystonia, some people on russian forum came out and  claimed  POIS free,  you can check that also.  And I had  diabetes and ichemia  people cured
I go by  the science that was   founded by dr Eck, who was  world class biochemist and who cured  huge number of people from all kind of deseases including cancer and diabetes and  alzheimers  and parkinsons. I dont make this stuff up.  And  I  go by blood and  hair tests, which  show me exactly what is  going on.  That is why it is hard for me to  accept some  theories that are based on  nothing.   I have  over hundreds of tests from people and many many hairtests. I see where the problem is exactly.
Nathan,  when you take zinc and B6    your  blood pressure  can go up, since copper would come out from  your liver..If you  continued with this you would be fine.   I have  10s of people who  I cured from  POIS.   

I have many people come out on the russian forum and state that they are POIS free.  I know what I am taking about. 
From the tests that I recieved  recently,  almost every single  person   has low ceruloplasmin   in their blood.   

Ceruloplasmin  is  copper based protein that  binds copper and carries it all over  including  into  the bile to detox. 


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« Reply #18605 on: 03/08/2013 20:04:05 »
CertainlyPOIS,


You can ban me now.  It will be  your loss.  I dont really care.

 
I say what I think, and state the truth that I beilive in and tested personally. I am not going to prove anything to  you, since it is not worth  it to me.
 
I dont give a flying crap about your rules,  you are not  an authority  to me and you are not to threaten me.
 
I am spending  10 hours a day  with people from this and russian forum, and  other people from all over the world.
And I dont take a penny. I  listen to people , help them  emotionally and  medically. What do you  do?   Sitting   here picking  at my words?  Good luck with that.


I guess it will be my last message on  this forum( what  a way to  go)

Thanks everybody and cheers.  It is  my birthday  today  , I hope somebody will use what I said here.



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« Reply #18606 on: 04/08/2013 07:36:31 »
Had an orgasm yesterday, today hardly any side effects.

Have been taking nutritional pill every day for last 60 days with very few orgasms. Pill includes 25 mg zinc among many other things, yesterday I also took two extra zinc pills of 25 mg each. Also I drank nyponsoppa (rose hip soup) afterwards. Only noticed some chest problem as if asthma hit me 25 min later and lasted for 10 min. I normally always get burning eyes and confusion, did not happen this time, its a first, so quite promising. Yesterday I ate fish, potato and spinach, could be it too.
Would appreciate if someone else tested this.

Also, before this, some weeks ago me and my girlfriend had great sex, she had a massive O, greatest time ever she said, came lots of times, know what? She was sick and confused days after that, so I think I can say that a too good orgasm can make anyone sick. Following days she was also a bit depressed, I took it as a all time low in dopamine.

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« Reply #18607 on: 05/08/2013 18:11:59 »
Had an orgasm yesterday, today hardly any side effects.

Have been taking nutritional pill every day for last 60 days with very few orgasms. Pill includes 25 mg zinc among many other things, yesterday I also took two extra zinc pills of 25 mg each. Also I drank nyponsoppa (rose hip soup) afterwards. Only noticed some chest problem as if asthma hit me 25 min later and lasted for 10 min. I normally always get burning eyes and confusion, did not happen this time, its a first, so quite promising. Yesterday I ate fish, potato and spinach, could be it too.
Would appreciate if someone else tested this.

Also, before this, some weeks ago me and my girlfriend had great sex, she had a massive O, greatest time ever she said, came lots of times, know what? She was sick and confused days after that, so I think I can say that a too good orgasm can make anyone sick. Following days she was also a bit depressed, I took it as a all time low in dopamine.
I want to try the nyponsoppa and pill. What's the name of the pill and where can I find it?

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« Reply #18608 on: 06/08/2013 06:18:08 »
Everybody when we post can we keep the language pg and children friendly.
All the exotic descriptions is going to get us in trouble.
The forum has rules that we most follow, and part of those rules is keeping the post child friendly.
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« Reply #18609 on: 06/08/2013 08:03:03 »

The forum has rules that we most follow, and part of those rules is keeping the post child friendly.


While I agree that keeping moderate tones is more useful, constructive and civilized than shouting at each other, I would not see how keeping posts "child-friendly" in a POIS forum can be a top priority.
For the few months I've been here, I have felt uncomfortable with Herman's way to write his own posts since the beginning, and openly asked questions to him to understand better his bold, sometimes wild unexplained statements, before in public, then privately. Even if I kind of argued with him many times, I must conclude that 90% of the fresh ideas which were useful to me, I got them from those discussions. And not from quotations of wikipedia links or claims about magic pills or potions.

Working with Herman, I've found an open-minded and available person, ready to put in doubt his own statements, genuinely reserching for true things, and doing this only for the sake of helping people.
Most important, I got real results with him in few months, both POIS and not-POIS related, weaned off hormones, hugely simplified my regimen (I already mentioned that in previous posts). Results I couldn't get (quite the opposite) in many years of swallowing pills, spending money with doctors and making my life impossible.

I have also always believed that POIS is not a condition, but the aspect of an imbalance. Working with Herman has given me real tools to have a direct experience of it, and get free of a lot of medical (and alternative medical) crap (sorry if this is not so child-friendly).

So it's a bit sad to see Herman go from here, not much for myself because I have a direct link and will keep discussing (and sometimes arguing) with him privately. But because I think that this will become a less interesting place, and many guys will miss the opportunity to work on themselves in a different way.

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« Reply #18610 on: 06/08/2013 16:31:01 »
I too felt Herman was the only one making sense for me here, I have been on here many years and he was the first one to start making sense to what was happening to me.....

He was helping a lot of people, doing it for free, taking up his time... and this is what he gets? Way to go!

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« Reply #18611 on: 06/08/2013 20:02:29 »
While I agree that keeping moderate tones is more useful, constructive and civilized than shouting at each other, I would not see how keeping posts "child-friendly" in a POIS forum can be a top priority.

Yep, I agree with urano with this point. This is a science forum, not Playhouse Disney... And as far as being "liberal & open minded" (as opposed to what, dumb & closed minded?), that would be pretty bad if someone was not "liberal & open minded" when discussing a science topic.

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« Reply #18612 on: 07/08/2013 06:31:01 »
Thank you for all the rules, rulemaster mcgee.  CertainlyPOIS you're being the fall guy here but i know our forum is pretty divided on all this.  No question Herman's posts, especially those to other people when they were unsolicited (like to Dr. Kumar) were aggressive and beginning to limit the free flow of information throughout the thread.   

However, I wish we could have found a better solution.  Honestly, I've been trying to reserve my comments and judgment on all this until I know one way or another whether Herman's supplements will cure me.  And I promise you that one day in the not too distant future a full review is coming.  But the truth is that regardless of how my review turns out, I agree with Urano above.  Herman wasn't selling his own product, profiting in any way, or making recommendations far outside the realm of science.  There's no question in my mind that he's incredibly knowledgeable and is trying to help.  And I definitely feel better from my experience with him helping me.  Am I on the path to being cured?... the jury's still out.  What's ironic is that without Herman this forum will quickly get less scientific.  It turns into people trying miscellaneous herbs one time and saying they felt X% better the next day.  Banning members is what Demo did.  Some of our best members got Demo's axe.  I still bemoan the banning of Willem and Counterpoints and wish Girlwind was still active.  Let's tone down the talk on all these strict rules and become a community again.
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2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18613 on: 07/08/2013 08:44:27 »
The rules aren't Certainly POIS'. They belong to the NSF. All CP has done is repost the forum rules which are actually not that strict or difficult to follow, except the "keep it family friendly" rule which has us speaking euphemistically all the time :)

The NSF rules weren't the reason Counterpoints or Girlwind were banned.

Equally, I'd reject this idea that this thread is about porn. People are discussing a sexual problem here. It's impossible for them to discuss it without referencing sexual activity but we're not doing it in a salacious way. It's very "matter of fact" but it should also be scientific.

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« Reply #18614 on: 07/08/2013 09:00:35 »
I have questions for all

At any age disease began pois?

Do you suffer from obesity ? Do you suffer from abdominal fat?
 
Because the doctor told me it's pois disease are due to obesity or belly fat

I hope you can answer my questions

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« Reply #18615 on: 07/08/2013 11:18:47 »
I tend to agree with 100% Daniel and Andrea said above. The way Herman say things is problematic, but what he says is probably one of the best lead we have right now.

Again I'm really curious to know what's your level of ceruloplasmin and serum copper ;Mines indicates that I have potentially free copper that mess my body and my mind up.... biologic markers of POIS is our only way out.

@Amer ; no I can say without a doubt that we are not all fat

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« Reply #18616 on: 07/08/2013 15:52:19 »
gauravnew

How are things with you?
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« Reply #18617 on: 07/08/2013 19:11:20 »
Again I'm really curious to know what's your level of ceruloplasmin and serum copper ;Mines indicates that I have potentially free copper that mess my body and my mind up.... biologic markers of POIS is our only way out.

Great idea lapoisse. Since many people didnt seem to believe Herman's reporting on our low cerruloplasmin, everyone that has had their cerruloplasmin checked, i encourage you to list it here.  Perhaps we can form our own conclusions from the results.

Mine is 23. The range is 21-60.
List your free copper if you have it too. I havent had mine checked yet
« Last Edit: 07/08/2013 19:13:41 by B_Daniel »
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« Reply #18618 on: 07/08/2013 19:45:06 »

The forum has rules that we most follow, and part of those rules is keeping the post child friendly.


While I agree that keeping moderate tones is more useful, constructive and civilized than shouting at each other, I would not see how keeping posts "child-friendly" in a POIS forum can be a top priority.
For the few months I've been here, I have felt uncomfortable with Herman's way to write his own posts since the beginning, and openly asked questions to him to understand better his bold, sometimes wild unexplained statements, before in public, then privately. Even if I kind of argued with him many times, I must conclude that 90% of the fresh ideas which were useful to me, I got them from those discussions. And not from quotations of wikipedia links or claims about magic pills or potions.

Working with Herman, I've found an open-minded and available person, ready to put in doubt his own statements, genuinely reserching for true things, and doing this only for the sake of helping people.
Most important, I got real results with him in few months, both POIS and not-POIS related, weaned off hormones, hugely simplified my regimen (I already mentioned that in previous posts). Results I couldn't get (quite the opposite) in many years of swallowing pills, spending money with doctors and making my life impossible.

I have also always believed that POIS is not a condition, but the aspect of an imbalance. Working with Herman has given me real tools to have a direct experience of it, and get free of a lot of medical (and alternative medical) crap (sorry if this is not so child-friendly).

So it's a bit sad to see Herman go from here, not much for myself because I have a direct link and will keep discussing (and sometimes arguing) with him privately. But because I think that this will become a less interesting place, and many guys will miss the opportunity to work on themselves in a different way.

Thank you for all the rules, rulemaster mcgee.  CertainlyPOIS you're being the fall guy here but i know our forum is pretty divided on all this.  No question Herman's posts, especially those to other people when they were unsolicited (like to Dr. Kumar) were aggressive and beginning to limit the free flow of information throughout the thread.   

However, I wish we could have found a better solution.  Honestly, I've been trying to reserve my comments and judgment on all this until I know one way or another whether Herman's supplements will cure me.  And I promise you that one day in the not too distant future a full review is coming.  But the truth is that regardless of how my review turns out, I agree with Urano above.  Herman wasn't selling his own product, profiting in any way, or making recommendations far outside the realm of science.  There's no question in my mind that he's incredibly knowledgeable and is trying to help.  And I definitely feel better from my experience with him helping me.  Am I on the path to being cured?... the jury's still out.  What's ironic is that without Herman this forum will quickly get less scientific.  It turns into people trying miscellaneous herbs one time and saying they felt X% better the next day.  Banning members is what Demo did.  Some of our best members got Demo's axe.  I still bemoan the banning of Willem and Counterpoints and wish Girlwind was still active.  Let's tone down the talk on all these strict rules and become a community again.


I didnt decide to point to NSF rules for my own sake,  but because other users of NSF report this board to moderators because of the language usage. It only takes so many reports before the moderators decide to close the board. Besides we can discuss POIS without explicit details about personal acts with ourselves and significant other.

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« Reply #18619 on: 07/08/2013 20:28:55 »
Hey Amer, my main pois symptoms started at 14. I've never suffered from any kind of fat, and this is definitely not the cause of my symptoms.

I didnt decide to point to NSF rules for my own sake,  but because other users of NSF report this board to moderators
Then perhaps other users of NSF should re-evaluate their maturity level and should not be reading topics that aren't relevant to them whatsoever. And hopefully the moderators will use their judgment like any good moderator should, rather than just mindlessly closing a board based on the unsubstantiated reports by a few immature users.

Like kurtosis and others have said, this is not a porn thread (which they'd have a right to complain about). It's a science discussion, and if someone's offended by the occasional "explicit" talk, then they should kindly visit a thread more relevant to their interests since no one is forcing them to read this. Otherwise, NSF should be called the non-scientific forum because science and censorship do not mix...

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« Reply #18620 on: 07/08/2013 22:02:03 »
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I didnt decide to point to NSF rules for my own sake,  but because other users of NSF report this board to moderators because of the language usage. It only takes so many reports before the moderators decide to close the board. Besides we can discuss POIS without explicit details about personal acts with ourselves and significant other.

Given the timing of this rules recall, I easily linked it to the recent discussions with Herman to support your warnings to him. And apparently I've not been the only one.

If on the other hand the real issue is making a discussion of sexual medical topics (and painful personal histories) suitable for children reading, I would encourage children and their parents to browse the astrophysics or superconductors sections, or maybe prefer Snoopy's strips (which I also love), rather than digging into the muddy details of our disturbing experiences. I'd be curious to read the contents of those reports, and the references to the offending bits.

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« Reply #18621 on: 07/08/2013 22:17:00 »
Again I'm really curious to know what's your level of ceruloplasmin and serum copper ;Mines indicates that I have potentially free copper that mess my body and my mind up.... biologic markers of POIS is our only way out.

My ceruloplasmin value was 20 [17-65] in May. Never tested serum/free copper, nor serum manganese or zinc. Nor I'm sure I'll ever do it, these blood tests are expensive and of difficult interpretation.

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« Reply #18622 on: 08/08/2013 09:01:18 »
My ceruloplasmin is 16 g/l based on a 15-40 range

My Copper serum is 16umol/l based on a 16-31 range

It makes a calculated free copper(calculation method differs) of 30 to 50ug/l - normal range is 5-15

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« Reply #18623 on: 08/08/2013 17:44:20 »
Who knows what happened to gauravnew?

Kima, thank you
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« Reply #18624 on: 08/08/2013 19:15:23 »
4 persons with low ceruloplasmin...interesting...

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« Reply #18625 on: 09/08/2013 02:48:25 »
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I didnt decide to point to NSF rules for my own sake,  but because other users of NSF report this board to moderators because of the language usage. It only takes so many reports before the moderators decide to close the board. Besides we can discuss POIS without explicit details about personal acts with ourselves and significant other.

Given the timing of this rules recall, I easily linked it to the recent discussions with Herman to support your warnings to him. And apparently I've not been the only one.

If on the other hand the real issue is making a discussion of sexual medical topics (and painful personal histories) suitable for children reading, I would encourage children and their parents to browse the astrophysics or superconductors sections, or maybe prefer Snoopy's strips (which I also love), rather than digging into the muddy details of our disturbing experiences. I'd be curious to read the contents of those reports, and the references to the offending bits.

I mentioned this before no one notice, so since i had everyone attentions i decided to mention the rules again   When demografx was the moderator he also mentioned the rules multiple times.

Everybody one of the rules of the forum is to not use adult language because of kids that come by the forum.

We can make the argument all day that others and kids can should stay out of the board since it does not pertain to them but in the end we are being allowed to use the nsf forum and as a result we need to follow their rules.  And it clearly states " keep it family friendly"

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« Reply #18626 on: 09/08/2013 08:09:21 »

I mentioned this before no one notice, so since i had everyone attentions i decided to mention the rules again   When demografx was the moderator he also mentioned the rules multiple times.


In fact I joined 8 months ago and have never seen these rules posted, so it's interesting to finally know what they are about. Common sense seems to me the golden rule.

Not using adult language for an adults topic will be an interesting style exercise. Hopefully the "reports" won't be blindly counted by the moderators.
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« Reply #18627 on: 09/08/2013 17:22:35 »
here are my tests

01.08.2013-blood
ferritin....................205 
iron.........................16  (9-30)
tibc..........................52  (45-77)
saturation................0.31  (.20-.50)
sodium...................138  (135-145)
potassium.................4.1  (3.3-5.1)
chloride...................102  (95-108)
TSH.........................2.05  (.35-5.00)
t3-free......................4.2  (2.6-5.7)
t4-free.......................15  (12-22)
ab-thyroglobulin.........<20  <41
ab-thyroid peroxidase <11  <35
t3-reverse.................... 201
ceruplasmin.................289  (190-370)
caclcium ionized.........1.28  (1.15-1.35)
magnesium rbc...........1.86  (1.7-2.7)
alkaline phosphatase....68  (40-129)
ld...............................161  (110-215)
ggt.............................14   <60
ast..............................23  <37
alt...............................21  <46

01.15.2013-bood
Copper-Zinc Profile by Great Plains Laboratory
everything is on the low range, except non-ceruplasmin copper, which is very low.
i dont know what that means.

ceruplasmin...................2.3 (1.5-4.5)
ceruplasmin-copper......14.1 (9.0-27.0)
copper-serum..............16.2 (12.0-23.0)
zinc-serum...................12.9 (2.3-6.3)
non-ceruplasmin copper..2.1 (2.3-6.3)  *L*
copper/zinc ratio............1.2 (0.8-2.0)

07.26.2013-blood
supplement free for over 24 hours before test.
manganese...........13.5 (ideal 14.3, range 2.9-25.7)

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« Reply #18628 on: 09/08/2013 18:36:25 »
Nomore,

I see the following interesting points:

In your January labs:

1- non-ceruloplasmin (free) copper was low, but also ceruloplasmin was a bit on the low side. At the same time your bound/total copper looked good. Has this been interpreted as a sign of copper deficiency, or what?
2- your serum zinc was high. Were you supplementing zinc at that time? What information did you get from that bit?

In you last labs:

3- your ferritin is on the high side. Does this support a possible copper deficiency again, or had you just been supplementing too much iron?
4- ceruloplasmin looks increased, even though the units and ranges are different. Had you been taking manganese or copper for awhile to achieve that?

What information and conclusions did you get from these labs?
How did you adjust your regimen based on them?
Did you get any change/improvements in symptoms, POIS and non-POIS related?
Have these changes been reflected by some shift in the Na/K ratio (if you ever did the hair test), or of the estradiol/progesterone ratio, if you ever tested them by blood?
Apparently you started from a progesterone dominant situation, which might have kept your Na/K low, and you might have worked to increase that ratio and shift a bit more to the estrogen side. Just guessing...

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« Reply #18629 on: 10/08/2013 15:16:34 »
Dr. Kumar, you promised to help the people, and where your help or your treatment is not helping?

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« Reply #18630 on: 10/08/2013 15:20:12 »
Gurav you died, where you, why do not you answer? Mom Abal your answer already.

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« Reply #18631 on: 10/08/2013 15:23:03 »
The only person to help all the people on this forum Herman, well done!
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« Reply #18632 on: 10/08/2013 15:27:50 »
Ceruloplasmin 36 mg / dl (22 - 60)
Ionized Calcium 1.16 mmol / l (1.16 - 1.32)
The total bilirubin 17.4 mmol / L (3.4 - 20.5)
Potassium 4.0 mmol / L (3.5 - 5.1)
Sodium 141 mmol / l (136 - 145)
Chlorine 105 mmol / l (98 - 107)
Magnesium 1.02 mmol / l (0.73 - 1.08)
Iron 23.12 pmol / L (12.5 - 32.2)
Ferritin 62 g / l (20 - 250)
T3 2.0 nmol / l (1.1 - 3.1)
Free T3 5.9 pmol / L (2.6 - 5.7)
Free T4 15.6 pmol / L (9.0 - 22.0)
TSH 2.0 mU / L (0.4 - 4.0)


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« Reply #18634 on: 11/08/2013 16:23:20 »
The doctor told me.

First and foremost I would like to start by some facts that were recently
discovered.

1. Masterbation in excess is dangerous. Frequent masturbation and ejaculation stimulate acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions excessively, resulting in the over production of sex hormones and neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. Abundant and unusually amount of these hormones and neurotransmitters can cause the brain and adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion and turn the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. In other words, there is a big change of body chemistry when one excessively pratices masturbation.

2. Have you ever wondered why you do not last long enough when having sex? Well , if you program your system to hurry up for years by masterbating, how can you expect it to last? This is simple yet seem complicated to 90% of men. Remember the first few months when u started masterbating, you were not experiencing premature ejaculation! It only starting after you got the little guy rushing all the time. STOP now and it will slowly recover. You condition your body to behave one way and expect it to behave another way overnight, it is not going to work!

3. I do not believe that moderate masterbation works, I do believe that one would have to wait until the body naturally discharges semen in sleep and etc. Because moderate masterbation can lead to habitual and chronic masterbation as it is a helpless act. It is an act of self pleasure therefore, controlling it becomes an ardous task. The more pleasure the better therefore none is better than some. This differs from sex because it does not place strain on your senses as the partner helps create arousal and play an important role. Once pleasure is sought solo, it requires more energy and has a draining effect and reliance on a partner is not required.

4. Medications wether herbal or non herbal are not healthy to consume for the purpose of recovery because they only act as a quick fix therefore the best medicine is either fasting or dieting, eat 40-60% less food. Instead of eating a whole hamburger eat half and eat a salad with it instead of french fries. Fast for a week and refrain from eating from dusk to dawn and you will enjoy the benefits especially if you have acne (to teenagers). Most foods that come from animals such as meat and dairy products contains high levels of animal hormones which in turn increase your hormones thus causing chemical imbalances which are unhealthy.

5. Masterbation does affect your vision and yes it is the leading cause of hairloss in men and androgenic alopecia. DHT or dihydratetestosterone is the leading cause of hairloss in men. By masterbating and changing your body chemistry you are overproducing testosterone and therefore its byproduct DHT. DHT clings to hair follicles and weakens them.
NOTE: Majority of men who are bald also wear corrective lenses, indicative of habitual or chronic masterbation.

6. Please remember that exercise can help, however it must only be cardiovascular and must ensure enough calories are lost to make room for the breakdown of proteins to amino acids. This ensures that whatever foods consumed are used up. This is one of the best solutions.

7. Last but not least please remember that we are bombarded with sexual images in the media and encouraged to engage in sexual activity. Avoid exposure to such images as it would cause arousal and eventually lead to masterbation when a partner is absent.

GOOD LUCK! For starters mark your calenders and fight the urge for 30-40 days, this will help break the barrier and also restore energy needed. Diet, fasting, exercise will help along.


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« Reply #18635 on: 11/08/2013 17:10:02 »
Dr. Kumar, you promised to help the people, and where your help or your treatment is not helping?

He completed his treatment last week and had only  two orgasm as of now.  Please wait let see one more week and two more orgasm and can post the result.  Always I want to post the correct and accurate thing. So, I don't want to be in a hurry to judge the results. 

Thanks.

Also wanted to add to your post, when Nathan was in POIS his Ceruplasmin was low. After recovering from POIS, his Ceruplasmin level reached normal. 

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« Reply #18636 on: 11/08/2013 17:30:48 »
Dr. Kumar,
Thank you, we will wait, but unfortunately not all Panchakarma is in town there.

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« Reply #18637 on: 11/08/2013 17:55:41 »
15 persons suffering pois low ceruloplasmin
Russian forum, Administrator Victor Kons.
http://zdoroforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1229
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« Reply #18638 on: 11/08/2013 18:03:44 »
Nathan

How old were suffering from symptoms of pois?

the onset of puberty?

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« Reply #18639 on: 11/08/2013 18:10:09 »
Also wanted to add to your post, when Nathan was in POIS his Ceruplasmin was low. After recovering from POIS, his Ceruplasmin level reached normal. 

Dr. Kumar - Were you the doctor that requested Nathan to have his cerruloplasmin checked?  What led you to request that test be ordered - Is it just a common test in India, or did you specifically select it to be tested?

Also, what do you think the link might be between POIS and the low cerruloplasmin - and do you have a theory on how the panchakarma treatment might increase cerruloplasmin levels?  Thanks for your continued help
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« Reply #18640 on: 11/08/2013 21:44:47 »
The doctor told me.
First and foremost I would like to start by some facts that were recently
discovered.
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GOOD LUCK! For starters mark your calenders and fight the urge for 30-40 days, this will help break the barrier and also restore energy needed. Diet, fasting, exercise will help along.

What doctor told you this?

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« Reply #18641 on: 12/08/2013 12:39:58 »
So do most here believe that Nathan's doctor's treatments are bogus?
If so, do they believe that Nathan is not cured or do they believe that Nathan did not have POIS to begin with?
I doubt Nathan would have found this forum if he did not have POIS.
I doubt Nathan would lie about being free from POIS.
I doubt that detox cured Nathan.
That really only leaves one possible explaination for POIS and how Nathan became POIS free.
Have a nice day :)

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« Reply #18642 on: 12/08/2013 13:12:23 »
 For those interested in hair mineral analysis, here is a recent (2013) Korean study that looked at variations in hair testing results at 3 different labs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3582931/#__ffn_sectitle

One of its conclusions is that the interpretation of hair mineral analysis results is challenging because there do not seem to be  well established, standardised 'normal' reference ranges for the tests. The ranges vary from lab to lab and so do the interpretations of results.

(Of course sometimes we run into trouble with the more established normal ranges for blood tests too. I once had a cortisol test where my cortisol was at the very top of the 'normal' range. The doctor was adamant that my cortisol was therefore normal. But a change of less than half of one per cent would have put me out of normal range and I wonder what the doctor's conclusion would have been then! Personally, I think that my result at least warranted further investigation...)

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« Reply #18643 on: 12/08/2013 17:09:39 »
For those interested in hair mineral analysis, here is a recent (2013) Korean study that looked at variations in hair testing results at 3 different labs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3582931/#__ffn_sectitle

One of its conclusions is that the interpretation of hair mineral analysis results is challenging because there do not seem to be  well established, standardised 'normal' reference ranges for the tests. The ranges vary from lab to lab and so do the interpretations of results.

(Of course sometimes we run into trouble with the more established normal ranges for blood tests too. I once had a cortisol test where my cortisol was at the very top of the 'normal' range. The doctor was adamant that my cortisol was therefore normal. But a change of less than half of one per cent would have put me out of normal range and I wonder what the doctor's conclusion would have been then! Personally, I think that my result at least warranted further investigation...)
Interesting study. The numerical results among different labs are consistent. This is good.

Comparing hair analysis results to blood test results is pretty much meaningless. Because blood tests reference ranges are used to detect terminal problems in patients, whereas hair tests are positioned as much more accurate testing of health state (though their interpretation isn't established yet between different labs, but numerical results do coincide which is good)

It would be much more interesting to test if there is strong correlation between metal detection by hair tests and by accumulated blood tests within the same timeframe (probably a month), e.g. we test some metal by blood and hair tests, then we increase metal level in patient and do blood and hairtest and see whether they reflect the metal change or not, or we have two patients with different level of some metal as indicated by blood tests and we do hairtests of these patients and check whether metal levels are the same as for blood tests . If there is strong correlation, then hair tests is valid and precise method for evaluation of health state and scientific community need to proceed working on valid hair test interpretation.

Victor


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« Reply #18644 on: 13/08/2013 19:05:07 »
urano

i dont know. herman said to do the tests, so i did the tests. i dont know what they mean. as far as i can tell, they are inconclusive. both tests were done at around the same time.

the copper-zinc panel has everything below the ideal levels, with non-ceruplasmin copper below the low levels. i dont have anybody to interpret these results so i dont know what they mean, i thought maybe someone here would know. i asked the nutritional balancing people, but they didnt know either and didnt give me a proper answer.

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« Reply #18645 on: 14/08/2013 07:14:28 »
one question,any woman have this problem after :O' or this pois is male specific?

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« Reply #18646 on: 14/08/2013 08:20:14 »
urano

i dont know. herman said to do the tests, so i did the tests. i dont know what they mean. as far as i can tell, they are inconclusive. both tests were done at around the same time.

the copper-zinc panel has everything below the ideal levels, with non-ceruplasmin copper below the low levels. i dont have anybody to interpret these results so i dont know what they mean, i thought maybe someone here would know. i asked the nutritional balancing people, but they didnt know either and didnt give me a proper answer.


then email herman these test results

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« Reply #18647 on: 14/08/2013 09:05:35 »
one question,any woman have this problem after :O' or this pois is male specific?
I think this is not male only problem. I saw some examples over internet where women had the same symptoms we describe. However I didn't happen to see woman that actively participates regarding POIS on any of our forums.

Victor
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« Reply #18648 on: 14/08/2013 10:30:46 »
one question,any woman have this problem after :O' or this pois is male specific?
I think this is not male only problem. I saw some examples over internet where women had the same symptoms we describe. However I didn't happen to see woman that actively participates regarding POIS on any of our forums.

Victor
Many of the theories discussed here are really not male specific. The over masturbation thing I guess is a male thing in terms of semen loss, but low ceruplasmin or toxic liver or excess histamine or high acetylcholine...not really. There was a couple of women on here once, Girlwind was a quite active participant. I think she made big progress by correcting her thyroid function. I read a post a few pages back that said she was banned which surprised me and was a shame. Other than her this seems to be an overwhelmingly male phenomenon.

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« Reply #18649 on: 14/08/2013 22:32:07 »
Girlwind was a quite active participant. I think she made big progress by correcting her thyroid function. I read a post a few pages back that said she was banned which surprised me and was a shame.

As far as I understand it she wasn't banned, I just heard she didn't love the moderating and quit.  Oh and by the way you can't find any info of that if you search back for it as it mysteriously disappeared.  There were prob other reasons too but shame that she's gone. 
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