Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #18700 on: 20/08/2013 18:35:00 »
What causes post-orgasmic symptoms?

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-causes-post-orgasmic-symptoms [nofollow]

What should we conclude from that ?

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« Reply #18701 on: 20/08/2013 22:28:02 »
B_Daniel - Have you done any detox like enemas or liver flushes like Herman did?

I've done some coffee enemas in the past and continue to do about 1 per month.  I tried the liver flush a month ago and it was a miserable experience for me - i hated fasting and drinking the epsom salts.  So i'm not doing any more of those. 
I do green coffee with purified/filtered water enema once a week. Like you I hated the liver flushes and would feel miserable and hate to think about revisiting it. I did not do it with epsom salt from memory but olive oil & grapefruit/lemons (I think). The first time I threw up.

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« Reply #18702 on: 20/08/2013 23:57:55 »
Go on nutritional balancing , there are so many  people that can  help you  obtain  this  program and you willbe cured.  But  there are certain  aspects of  those programs that I  dont like,  that is why I do my own thing. And if anyone is ready  to  discuss the programs I am ready to do so,  but I dont have  time to  take every person case any more/

Hi,

I haven't seen much discussion going on in here about diets. This thread is going long and I don't know if it was discussed earlier. Anyway I believe that to be an important issue to be managed. 

When I was 21 my symptoms were so bad, so much pain, weakness, and anxiety, and no doctor could help, I had a brain stroke. All possible exams were made prior and after the brain stroke and nothing was detected. Was really in pain, skin very red in my face, went to the best doctors, nobody could help me. Most of the time the doctors just simply totally dismissed my case because I consistently had "good" exams: blood, urine, x-rays, TAC, lung exams, eyes, ... nothing was found.
Even tough it was obvious that I had severe inflammation inside my body somehow it wasn't detected. After the brain stroke I had many more crises with strong pain in legs, stomach, bladder, and muscles, poor control of my hands, permanent fatigue, lack of breath. And then my liver start hurting, went to the hospital several times, even had an haemorrhage in the left eye due to very strong vomits and again lots of exams right after that, the diagnostic was always "everything is fine" and no diagnostic! (That's why I must agree with Gbolduev that there is no doctor that will fix it with some pill. It must a continuous learning and experiment. And I'm very much interested about reading all sorts of experiments that people have been doing. We must learn something with each other. It's the only way to get it faster.)

After that, one day I tried to make fasting for 3 days (age 26) only juices and then repeated again 3 more days but only water. So simple but such amazing results. I remember feeling an amazing improvement, about 60%. The problem is that I can't live without eating and I tried every single diet with no success until I was 28. Then I found a very good nutritionist. He follows some teachings from Paleo Diet and uses it to help handle inflammation through diet. But I don't just totally follow a Paleo Diet, I just take some information and adapt it in the best way that it suits me. But Paleo Diet is good starting point and is backed by science. Since I got a consistent non-harmfull diet that my body stopped hurting and everything became so much easier. The way to know if a food is suitable for me is very simple: I just observe the evolution of my symptoms during 30 minutes until 1 or 2 hours after eating. If I get worst I avoid that specific food. Since then I have been adjusting it (I'm now 34) and it was the only consistent way to get some good long term results.
In my case I can't eat red meat, vegetable oils (only olive oil), rice, potatoes, any kind of pasta, white part of the eggs, ... and I mostly replaced it with fish, chicken, vegetables, fruits.

Nowadays I'm feeling better than I ever felt before. I would say about 85% recovered, make love 2 or 3 times a week with no big relapses. Still avoid at all costs to ejaculate by masturbation. Have been taking Levitra, ZMA / Zink Magnesium Vit B, Coleus Forskohlii.

During the last days tried to take some of of the supplements recommended by Gbolduev (Zink, Vit C, Manganese, Magnesium and Vit A, still no Copper because couldn't find it but I tried copper in the past and I got good results, so I will try adding it again soon). I got rid of the brain fog. I would like to make these small improvements became permanent. Let's see if there are long term results now.
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« Reply #18703 on: 21/08/2013 01:27:16 »
Ricky79....do you think you had food allergies or intolerant of certain foods? It's odd cuz I actually would feel better the longer i would go without eating too. At one point my pois would not kick in until I ate something. I do the best by just eating meat....I'll probably have a heart attack by 45 but u gotta do what u gotta do!

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« Reply #18704 on: 21/08/2013 02:42:50 »
Hey everyone. Just checking back in after a long while. How is everything going? How's everyone doing?

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« Reply #18705 on: 21/08/2013 03:13:38 »
Ricky - I also noticed years ago that I felt better when I stopped eating. It was so hard for me embrace the concept since I was skinny and it had been doing weight lifting and force feeding myself in the years leading up to this realization. I stumbled on it after I visited an allergy specialist and tested positive to so many different foods and was placed on a restricted diet. Even some of the foods I showed up okay on in the testing I was sure I still reacted to, and dropped these (maybe intolerant but not allergy) and sometimes it was just too much trouble to find something to eat that I could tolerate that I skipped meals and picked up how I would feel more energy (physical & mental). I think I had gut disorder/dysbiosis/parasites. Things improved for me quite a lot in this regard after I did a series of colonics (some with O2). Still now though I find diet has a big impact. Avoiding too much grains is good, but I also find avoiding red meat is good for me. When I was young we used to have a lot of BBQs, and I would always have a terrible night's sleep after them and feel really tired. Eating small amounts of quality mince is ok though and I feel good when I eat liver (like its therapeutic).

I eat a lot of fish and take sprouted rice, hemp, pea protein shakes. A diet in mainly vegetables are the best. I also had to give up potato as well. (I reacted to all in this food family) and when I was young we used to have it frikken every night for dinner.  Some fruits are okay and some are not for me. I avoid sugars and deserts. I love dairy (but its not good for me), and do take it every now and then...but I tried out oat and almond milk and goat milk and I dont feel the best on them even (though I would drink a ltr a day when I was on them)  I work out so I need carbs to try get some fat on me, and basically follow gluten free diet in that regard. I don't think rice is all that good for me even though it show up okay on allergy tests. I prefer to take wild rice or quinoa. I take nuts & seeds. I take ghee + olive oil + flax oil. Even these days though I find if I skip dinner and I have a better night's sleep. It could still be gut issue maybe or even just giving my liver a chance to rest. Even yrs later I find if I take colon cleanze or Heb-a-lax every so often I have an improvement in my health (pois symptoms) for a week, but that is because sometimes I don't always do the right thing with diet. A good quality liquid chlorophyll helps me feel good too. If I was fat, then having skimpy meals would be great, but I am trying to bulk up. : (   

I also think missing from Herman's theory is the diet aspect, which would help with inflammation in a number of us (maybe not all) I am sure.
Rick - Your use of Levitra..is not part of pois treatment, rather you just need it for ED?
Rick - Even though you feel pretty damn good now, if you masturbate - you get pois?

ajs - bizarre how you do well on red meat. So that is better than fish or chicken/turkey? with read meat I notice it talks me longer to digest a meal, and also my anxiousness & stress levels would go up.
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« Reply #18706 on: 21/08/2013 04:08:45 »

For those that get Pois symptoms upon exertion.
This may be of interest.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Costa's_syndrome [nofollow]

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« Reply #18707 on: 21/08/2013 07:29:10 »
What causes post-orgasmic symptoms?

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-causes-post-orgasmic-symptoms

What should we conclude from that ?

the symptoms we get is caused by an addiction. for the last 8 months i have not consumed porn and i can say that i feel that my pois is about to leave me permanently. however its all about an absolute ban of porn.

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« Reply #18708 on: 21/08/2013 08:04:42 »
I have also  fasted  many times during the recovery  year.  The longest was  a 25 day  water  fast.  After which  I lost  20 kg in 25 days,  my overall health improved  dramatically after the fast. POIS improved  about 40% or so. For some people with impaired liver function  it can be that   they  dont convert ammonia  to urea in the liver and since ammonia is  created by bacteria in your gut from  protein ,  then for some   when they dont eat  they feel better  not nessarily for POIS but for overall fatgue.
As far as diet is concerned, I had  many sensetivities to food  and  sugars. But  then they  went away as I started to balance.
Simple diet would be this:
NO sugars(  no  juices,  no fruit of any kind, nothing that contains sugars)
No dairy , except  goat milk and if it is  fresh and not from the store, otherwise stay away from dairy.
No breads of any sort
no white rice
no pastas
eat a lof ot broccoli and califlower
eat cooked vegatables with meat
oils  in your diet should be  eaten according to your metabolism ,    if slow you eat  less oils if fast you eat more oils( this is critical) and can be  judged by temperatures at 3 pm.

Liver flushes , no matter what people say  is  the best  procedure and  needs to be done.  Otherwise you can substitute it with cofee enemas daily, not once a month. 
If you dont do this, the only other way that worked for me was to load my gut with probiotics in the enemas. Actually  it had an immediate affect on POIS, since  most of our guts are impaired.

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« Reply #18709 on: 21/08/2013 10:57:57 »
Herman - There is no way I could do a 25 day fast. I could do a fresh vegetable juice fast for a week at very most. You can see the veins & muscle striations already on me as it is. If you are a beefy guy then you can afford to lose 20kg. For someone like me, fasting is crazy thought in your opinion...no.
I always suspected the problem I had with meat was the ammonia. I've experimented a little with charcol powder and I think it helps me after the evening meal. The thing is I have also read by others on special diets that the sulphites in Brocolli and Cauliflower also increase ammonia so it made me not sure of these.
No bread for you -not even bread made out of tapioca or pumpkin type breads or not available where you live?
No rice for you - funny another person anti rice, yet so many allergy specialists give the thumbs up on rice for sensitive people.
No pastas for you - not even non wheat types?
Did you take any liver support herbs or supps like methionine?
How much probiotic you use in an enema...like a teaspoon? I have taken probiotics on and off over the years and some have helped a little but for the $ I spent over the years it has not been anything to rave about. I take good quality ones and am on them while I am on the Abx for Lyme.
I would always find it a little hard to stick to my diet as I would start to feel better I would get hungrier and I would eat a hamburger or eat some ice-cream and I would feel even more wonderful....the first few times only.


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« Reply #18710 on: 21/08/2013 11:14:38 »
Ammonia is the number one reason  for fatique in  liver or metabolic imbalances.  You can check   Wilson desease forums,  those people  get rid of ammonia problem and fatigue disappears. There are many ways to do it, I will post  later how to do  it or try to do it . but of course it would be best to check  it first.  By the way  ammonia causes neurological  problems also. 

I dont eat any breads at all. I try not to eat pasta  but sometimes  I do  from brown rice( very seldom  though)
I try to eat buckwheat and also  make pancakes out of buckwheat powder which are good. In russia buckwheat is given  to cancer patients and I observed how  my wife was  getting much better on   buckwheat diet, of course  later she got  totally careless and started to cheat   and hide things from me , that is when she started to  die fast and furious.  I was not even  aware of medicine then  or balance and could not help since we  relied on  those stupid  ignorant doctors, who knew nothing.

As far as fasting , I did it since my POIS got  so far that I had lymph nodes enlarged and  I suspected  lymphoma.  So I did not really  care about weight , I was trying to burn anything  that is  foriegn in me. 
If you  have any lumps or  bumps that would be a good idea. Catabolism will take care of them.
I was always skiny  since I  did sports all my life,  but when  I got stress from my  wives death sentence and  started to lose hair and at the same time thanks again to our  medical community  who gave me  freaking   Propecia for hairloss that I started to  experience from this stress, I got my POIS. And from Propecia I gained weight like crazy.  Anyone who took Propecia,  detox your livers , that stuff sits in there and that is your problem. Propecia is synthetic  progesterone and it  lowers your thyroid/ Low  thyroid = loss of energy same as high thyroid. Loss of electrical energy  leads to  hang over  symptoms after any stress.(Orgasm,  hard work out, fight)  Before that  I  could do it  10 times a day  and I would feel fine.
You can look up  loss of energy % on ARL site where they  give you % of energy loss based on  how away from normal your glands are working ,   if you are losing more than 25% you are in POIS,  if you are losing more than 50% you are in constant POIS.


25 day fast was a  hard fast, but  it is amazing how it cleared out my head. In any case I would not reccomend this fast  to  people with POIS , it is  huge stress on the adrenal system.  I   did it since I had to and had nothing to lose.
As far as probiotics I used 2 full table spoons of the powder on 1 litre of water  and this water went in and stayed in. It was kind of hard to keep it in since  probiotic made  a little bloated and leaky , but  the  effect I started to experience right away  POIS got smaller.
As for liver supplements, I used milk thisle  TMG. But  it was a mediocre experience to say the least.
Liver flushes  seemed to do a lot more, especially    starting  from the 8 th or so  liver flush,   At first ones I felt terrible  as many report also. 
Malic acid  helps with  ammonia,   helped me tremendoulsy with  energy. As it did for many people  here, that is why I always recommend it.
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« Reply #18711 on: 21/08/2013 15:06:11 »
Herman,
Ok, we should read biochemistry literature and find more and more about minerals, but please, tell me how can I calculate these all ratios so that I could find my own way to replenish them. Hair analysis isn't so popular and it is not available here in my country. Is there any other way? All I could measure was blood levels of minerals and proteins you advised here some time ago. Haven't you cured yourself before taking hair test? 

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« Reply #18712 on: 21/08/2013 15:17:36 »
Herman,

What do you think about aluminium ?  It's often correlated with cognitive disorders

My symptoms started after I got different vaccination for Africa...at this time I also used a strong perspirant with a lot of aluminium in it...

Buy the way Malic acid is a chelator of aluminium

Additionnaly there is a rare disease called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrophagic_myofasciitis [nofollow]

It has been discovered by french researcher so not a lot of english litterature about it but basicly it creates cognitive impairment,neurotransmission deficiency,  intense fatigue, joint and muscle weekness, moderate fever and digestive perturbation...A 2009 study link it to CFS

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« Reply #18713 on: 21/08/2013 15:38:49 »
LAPOISSE

You  are right on  alluminum. Usually alluminum   toxicity  goes with  iron and  manganese. together,  and Wilson calls them amigos,  as per ECK  every one is toxic in iron and copper alluminun and cadmium. You are correct that alluminum is the problem . This is one of the reason I give malic acid. It chelates alluminum  and  every single body is toxic in alluminium , I did not see one  person who wasnt.   Helda Clark claimed that  alluminium  and nickel was the  cause of  liver flukes / I am not sure if it is true or not.  One thing  I know the malic acid chelates it   out. 

Malic acid  chelates it  100% I saw it on   hairtests. You  can always try it yourself,  take malic acid and then do hair, your alluminium will  be sky high in hair.

Anyway, I am  going to   wrap  it up here, since I mentioned  that I cant post much anymore.

But I wanted to answer some questions before I go.

Good luck , guys
I hope  you listen  to what I told you . 

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« Reply #18714 on: 21/08/2013 16:28:44 »
One last thing  that I wanted to mention...

In the body niacin picks up an ammonia
molecule and becomes niacinamide that is eliminated mostly in the urine. If we take
niacinamide the reaction runs backward and we become tired with excessive ammonia.
This ammonia is toxic to the brain and liver and from this we are told that niacin is toxic
when in fact it is the more commonly used niacinamide, as often found in multi-vitamins.

That is another  possiblity why niacin works for some.   

I hope this is not what SLAVRS going to post on his portal...))))   KNOWN for years.

Try to check your ammonia levels, people.

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« Reply #18715 on: 21/08/2013 18:35:04 »
It's odd cuz I actually would feel better the longer i would go without eating too. At one point my pois would not kick in until I ate something.

Same here, I notice that when I go a while without eating I feel better, and then it kicks in when I eat something.

As a side note, it would be great to be able to cure pois and still be able to eat whatever we want because I like dairy, desserts and certain foods so much that it would be sad to not be able to eat them anymore. I would 'prolly still eat them anyway. [wink]

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« Reply #18716 on: 21/08/2013 19:07:32 »
Ricky79....do you think you had food allergies or intolerant of certain foods? It's odd cuz I actually would feel better the longer i would go without eating too. At one point my pois would not kick in until I ate something. I do the best by just eating meat....I'll probably have a heart attack by 45 but u gotta do what u gotta do!
Hi Ajs, I think it is not exactly a food allergy, all tests that I've done to food allergies are negative, also tested for food intolerance and only just a few foods were positive, it didn't helped much and it was a wast of money (those food intolerance tests are expensive). I call it food intolerance when I have to explain it to my friends and family and call it food allergy if I go to a restaurant and need to explain it to the waiter. I think that the name doesn't matter as soon as the other people understand and respect that you have some limitations with food. 
Yep, it seems that food can put a lot of stress on the system but for the long term one must find a consistent diet that feeds the body in a healthy non-stressfull way.

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« Reply #18717 on: 21/08/2013 19:14:05 »
Herman has posted a link on a very interesting article about Niacin on Russian forum. I would like to share it here as well, very interesting stuff:

http://www.reboundhealth.com/cms/images/pdf/rdid129niacintoflushornottoflush.pdf

Victor

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« Reply #18718 on: 21/08/2013 19:52:55 »
Still now though I find diet has a big impact. Avoiding too much grains is good, but I also find avoiding red meat is good for me.

Eating small amounts of quality mince is ok though and I feel good when I eat liver (like its therapeutic).

A good quality liquid chlorophyll helps me feel good too. If I was fat, then having skimpy meals would be great, but I am trying to bulk up. : (   

Rick - Your use of Levitra..is not part of pois treatment, rather you just need it for ED?
Rick - Even though you feel pretty damn good now, if you masturbate - you get pois?
acronym - All you've said about your diet so far is exactly what a Paleo Diet is, even more strictly than the one I currently do. If you feel interest on this subject google on Dr. Loren Cordain.
I never tried liver and that's something I already thought about. I'll give it a try very soon. Will also check about chlorophyll, that one is totally new for me.
You're right about Levitra, I was diagnosed ED when I was under strong POIS, even without POIS my erection is not always so good so I'm still taking it at very low doses. Wouldn't recommend it to you guys, the first medicine I tried Ciallis triggered strong relapses, later my doctor changed my prescription to Levitra and I tolerated it better, but only after a few years I was able to take it without relapses, when my body got stronger. I do feel that avoiding any chance of ED lessens my worries and stress when it comes to sex.
About masturbation, it's still a big mystery for me, but I don't buy the theory of the allergy to semen. Maybe some lack of prolactin production when masturbating makes a difference... But the relapses I would get from it is a strong indicator that I'm still not cured.
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« Reply #18719 on: 21/08/2013 19:57:33 »
Hi Victor,

Can you confirm that from the test you have seen in the russian forum, people have low ceruloplasmin ?
5 people have ceruloplasmin close to middle, 6 have low ceruloplasmin.

Additionaly have you seen recoveries by Herman protocol ? Are you personnaly still symptomatic ?
I haven't seen recoveries yet. I'm still symptomatic. But almost everyone feel general improvement, including myself. I generally benefit from Malic Acid, coffe enemas and Zinc supplementation, everything as was forecast by Herman for my case.

I'm not going to coment your explanation of the POIS mecanism as I'm not competent to do it
I'm not competent as well. Still I think we need to do our best to realize everything we can, we need to think and learn, think and learn all the time.

Victor

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« Reply #18720 on: 21/08/2013 20:16:29 »
Ammonia is the number one reason  for fatique in  liver or metabolic imbalances.  You can check   Wilson desease forums,  those people  get rid of ammonia problem and fatigue disappears. There are many ways to do it, I will post  later how to do  it or try to do it . but of course it would be best to check  it first.  By the way  ammonia causes neurological  problems also. 
Herman - I've already made a treatment for Ammonia. It's a quite easy and non-painful treatment. Just went to a pharmacy and bought a Lactulose laxative. Didn't need any prescription. The taste was not bad and it improved my brain fog, but the benefits ceased after few weeks.

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« Reply #18721 on: 21/08/2013 20:22:21 »
Ammonia cant be  cured with what you did, you   lowered it with Lactulose     which is  correct, but you have to\ keep doing  it,   untill you fix your liver.  Of course it will  wear out. I am saying that ammonia is one of the things that causes  the  brain fog. fatique and  neurological  symptoms in  CFS patients, POIS , Wilson patients,  to fix it  you need to fix your liver detox  so it can  detox ammonia into  urea,  for that you need to get balanced( balance your mineral balance,   so   niacin and other vitamins  can  be kept on  mineral shelves.   MINERALS are shelves for vitamins. Since vitamins are not stored in the body  mostly  Trust me  it is not very hard  to fix this, you need to get tested.
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« Reply #18722 on: 21/08/2013 22:14:34 »
This ammonium stuff is pretty interesting ;

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1174503-overview [nofollow]

My urea is pretty high it could be a sign of too much ammonium...Beside, when I sneeze, it's often smells bad..i think it's ammonium

With the niacin connection it's definitly something to look at for me....Any clue about a link with O ?

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« Reply #18723 on: 21/08/2013 23:04:34 »
Hair analysis isn't so popular and it is not available here in my country.

Hair analysis is available in every country. You just have to find a practitioner to work with you. Most US based practitioners i am guessing would be happy to order your hair test for a small upcharge for the additional shipping cost.  The only issue is that you might have trouble ordering the ARL endo-met supplements in your country- but that shouldnt prevent you from getting the hair test done.
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #18724 on: 21/08/2013 23:36:28 »
Gbolduev....being that I have been a hairdresser for 22yrs do you think that would cause buildup of ammonia in my system from all the bleach and chemicals or would that not be a problem?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18725 on: 21/08/2013 23:37:24 »
I just wanted to echo some comments on here and say that I also went through a phase of thinking that eating was my problem. It wasnt every meal but some meals would bring on POIS so thick that i would have trouble engaging in even the most casual conversation.  But unlike a few of you, i was never able to narrow down what specific foods brought on my POIS and what didnt. I was very suspicious of potatoes, pastas, high fructose corn syrup and some other foods but they didnt seem to knock me out every time so i could never say with certainty about them.

So i decided to try to eat super natural- but milk, some raw nuts like almonds, and many beans especially chili beans and chickpeas would cause terrible gas and bloating.  It's difficult to know if these food sensitivities are particular to me or if they're pois related.  Im guessing that pois keeps my stomach inflammed and sensitive.

I had the food allergy test done and it caught the beans but also gave me a list of other foods, which wasnt very accurate. So i havent been able to rely upon the test like i was hoping.

I think what makes this most difficult for me is that im sensitive (gas and bloating) to a bunch of foods. And an array of foods worsen my POIS.  But i dont think these 2 lists are one and the same. 

One more point i wanted to make is that while fasting used to be a surefire way to decrease or at least keep my pois from getting worse, I reached a point about a year ago where that changed. My adrenals got so weak that my body couldnt withstand not eating. After skipping a meal or two my body would become so weak. And at the moment that weakness would kick in, my POIS would sky-rocket.  Needless to say i now eat every meal.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18726 on: 21/08/2013 23:56:56 »
Hi, I havent posted for a long time because I was trying to balance my metabolic problems with Herman. I did not cure POIS but i noticed when I go in the right direction with the mineral status my POIS gets weaker. After 4 months of vitamins and minerals my POIS lasts just 2 days instead of 5, the first day when it kicks in is bearable but is still have it. I did not get rid of that sh1t yet, but the hair test still shows problems with my thyroid and adrenal glands. I think if they get better POIS should go away or get very light, i hope. I need to do some testing because I do possibly have pyroluria since my zinc is not that high as with my suplementation plan should be. If you dont have any alternative just give the nutritional balancing a try.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18727 on: 22/08/2013 05:02:40 »
AJS

I think you may be toxic in alluminium ,since all those sprays that you  use. I am not  sure about ammonia  toxicity  from bleaches. But  as we know Malic acid lowers ammonia and lowers alliumiun , so  it would be   ok to guess that  when alluminium  is high so is  ammonia. In anycase,  if you get balanced you will get fixed.
It will take anywhere from 4months to a year to get balanced.  That is if you are  working tightly with a practitioner.
You can  test ammonia and  if it is high , you can always lower it   using  many  drugs and laxatives. But  that would only take symptoms   away, I guess which would be useful for full recovery .  Although  I prefer to have symptoms  full blown so to say , so we can  make sure that we are moving in the right direction. Since the goal is to  get rid of them once and for all, not  just to take them away.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18728 on: 22/08/2013 05:09:40 »
Coffee enemas are usefull,  since coffee has niacin  and   as we know niacin lowers ammonia. So  if you do  coffee enemas daily the symptoms  get better. Lactulose is another possiblity to lower ammonia as  someone mentioned

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18729 on: 22/08/2013 05:10:04 »
Gbolduev....being that I have been a hairdresser for 22yrs do you think that would cause buildup of ammonia in my system from all the bleach and chemicals or would that not be a problem?
ajs - I would have thought formaldehyde was a bigger issue in your line of work, than ammonia. See what you can find on the www about any hairdresser's maybe having health problems which they traced make to the chemical s they use in their work.  I just did a very quick search and 'Ammonium persulfate' is in hair bleach and that causes problems for some in your profession. I would have thought you would feel rotten soon after using any product for you to make a connection though.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18730 on: 22/08/2013 05:16:53 »
I did not get rid of that sh1t yet, but the hair test still shows problems with my thyroid and adrenal glands. I think if they get better POIS should go away or get very light, i hope. I need to do some testing because I do possibly have pyroluria since my zinc is not that high as with my suplementation plan should be. If you dont have any alternative just give the nutritional balancing a try.
* what mineral or ratio are you linking to this ->"but the hair test still shows problems with my thyroid"?  Is it high Ca/K?
* there are different forms of zinc supplement. what form of zinc were you taking? I am on zinc sulfate monohydrate.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18731 on: 22/08/2013 05:34:20 »
Panchakarma's verichana   what Nathan  did is basically a liver flush with castor oil.   He abused alchohol , the liver detox was impaired/ You should definetely do liver flushes with balancing your body at the same time.  I know  sometimes  it is a nasty procedure, but  it is  needed. and it is not  dangerous  at all when properly done.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18732 on: 22/08/2013 05:49:24 »
I found a great video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzRZ2K-xTvg

You  should do this. And  it will greatly  help your recovery. 
Look at what ingridients are  Niacin ,  castor oil,   liver flushes.  Rings the bell?

No one is doing this and it is a shame.  All those detox herbs  are usefull also,  indian milk thisle,  dandelion root.

Wilson  recommends coffee enemas daily, which is good also. 
Common guys you have to do this ,  it is  not a joke.  of course it is just easier to  swallow a pill, but you have to fight  to  cure this thing.



Supplements To Assist Your Liver Detoxification

Silymarium (milk thistle): helps protect liver cell walls from damage by toxic substances and helps regenerate healthy new liver cells. Studies conducted by the AMC Cancer Research Center in Denver suggest that milk thistle helps protect the liver from compounds that trigger abnormal cell growth in the prostate and breast.

Selenium: supports proper function of P450 liver enzymes.

Soy lecithin (phosphatidylcholine): helps blast away the accumulated fat and cholesterol that can clog the liver (and lead to fatty liver). It repairs liver damage from alcohol, improves muscle function and boosts overall energy. A fatty liver produces no symptoms but can lead to liver damage that includes inflammation and scarring.

Artichoke leaf: one of the most powerful nutrients to help improve the secretion of bile, which eliminates toxic waste.

Turmeric: reduces liver inflammation while boosting bile production. It also helps regenerate liver cells and excrete toxins.

Burdock root: helps clear congestion in the urinary, lymphatic and circulatory system. These actions ease the load on your liver.

N-acetyl cysteine (NAC): helps reduce the effects of chemicals and toxins in the liver.

Alpha lipoic acid: one of the few free radical fighters that is both fat and water soluble. Why is that important? Toxins hide out in fat cells but they canít hide from ALA. As a result, alpha lipoic acid is one of the most powerful nutrients to help restore the health of a liver damaged by drugs, alcohol or environmental toxins.

Trimethylglycine (TMG): helps protect against fatty deposits in the liver caused by alcohol, obesity and diabetes. In an impressive Italian study, patients taking TMG experienced better liver function and reduced fat in the liver. It also helped relieve their abdominal pain.

Dandelion root: has been shown in studies to double bile flow and help keep the liver enzymes in natural balance.

Olive leaf extract: contains oleuropein, a compound that destroys virus-infected cells while keeping healthy cells intact.

 But very important to have the right  NA/K ratio since  only  then you will have energy to detox.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18733 on: 22/08/2013 07:05:51 »
Fenugreek   -  ammonia  connection?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16428643
Very interesting


Aspartic acid  lowers ammonia and raises testosterone
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18734 on: 22/08/2013 07:16:06 »
« Last Edit: 22/08/2013 07:20:35 by Gbolduev »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18735 on: 22/08/2013 07:31:30 »
WOW this is big

Arginase, another manganese-containing enzyme, is required by the liver for the urea cycle, a process that detoxifies ammonia generated during amino acid metabolism.




In any case.. the balance is the only way to get cured.  Mineral balance and liver detox.  Symptoms relief  with herbs is not really a solution.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18736 on: 22/08/2013 12:42:56 »
How does squirting coffee up your ass help POIS?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18737 on: 22/08/2013 14:56:26 »
Gbolduev....I have really bad reactions when I take copper or zinc (pois symptoms) is that weird? I think you said that ferritin levels could indicate one way or another and mine was 53 ref range is 10-154

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18738 on: 22/08/2013 17:52:19 »
AJS

It is very hard tell by the symptoms  what supplements you need to take , since  even zinc in the beginning could cause  wild symptoms. But  if you  dont feel good on zinc or copper,  usually it means you have a LOW NA/K ratio/

Your thyroid must be low , but  you cant tolerate zinc  orally, since you have low manganese and iron.  Manganese copper and iron  support sodium side,    zinc  supports  potassium side.      So if your sodium is lower than potassium , although you need zinc  to increase your thyroid you  need manganese and iron  more. I would try 10 mg of manganese  with 200 mg of B5 for your case.   And 100 mg of iron  . I  assume you are a female/

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18739 on: 22/08/2013 18:08:41 »
Ferritin 58.20 ng/mL range 12-300ng/ml
Ceruloplasmin 182.0 MG/L range 180.0-580.0MG/L
magnesium ionized 1.80MG/DL range 1.90 -2.70MG/DL
calcium ionized 10.00mg/dL 8.50-10.5 mg/dl
UIBC 325.0ug/dL range 155-300
iron 127.0ug/dl range 50- 212
total iron binding capacity 452 ug/dl range 250-450

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18740 on: 22/08/2013 19:39:25 »
Hi Guys!

I'd like to share great progress of one of our first members on Russian forum Gringo:

I'd like to share my experience taking minerals!
I am 28 years old, POIS started when I was 18 to 22 I think. My symptoms after orgasm were getting worse and worse over time.
I must say that after 5 months of taking minerals (standard programme) POIS symptoms were gone by 80%.
In the past, after orgasm, my symptoms lasted about a week, and I needed another week to came into normal shape, that is, I returned to ideal state of body two weeks after O. My POIS was very heavy.
Before I started taking minerals, I had the following symptoms:
anemia, wanted nothing to do, drowsiness, constant pressure in the head, dullness, problems with speech, swelling on the face, looked terrible, pain in the eyes from bright light, loss of muscles, muscle weakness, indigestion, bloating, didn't want to talk to anyone, and people were not very happy to communicate with me , in football in general I could not play (catch the ball, pass the ball), and I had awful early ejaculation ... it was hell, not a life!
Before taking the minerals I had an eucalyptus cleaning twice, anti-parasites cleaning with trinity twice, once cleaned of Genghis Khan (garlic) .. but it is difficult to say whether this had an effect in my feeling better, probably - yes.
80% of my minerals were produced by Solgar, we have plenty of them here, though a little expensive.
3 months later I saw the standard program written by Herman, on a 4-month he recommended to add iron, at the end of the fifth month added manganese and copper. On the standard program I was much better, I became more confident, pain in the eyes disappeared and I felt a little more power, but the main POIS symptoms did not go away.
At the 4th month, I started drinking malic acid (during a month), and added iron, and at this moment the recovery began.
Iron cleared very unpleasant symptoms, anemia, lethargy, I've got much more energy has, that is, even while POIS I had strength. But still remained dullness, loss of muscle, bloating and pressure in the head.
Though Herman told me on a 3rd month, that we should start manganese, for some reason I ignored this instruction, and it wasn't wise from my side to ignore it. At the moment I am taking manganese for two weeks and I have a phenomenal clarity in mind, muscle weakness has gone, bloating and pressure almost gone.

I would like to write about premature ejaculation separately. Prior to receiving minerals I had a terrible sex, I finished immediately upon the introduction (2-3 sec.). And I had no energy for doing it.
After starting to take minerals I had sex about two times a month, my strength gradually increased. Every month I had longer and longer sex!
Right now, I still have some minor symptoms of POIS, but that's all rubbish, and I can perfectly live with them, and I think the symptoms will be completely gone in a month taking manganese.
Attached are my tests, I think I will put them right here, right in the post

Addition from me: tests on an image from top to botton:
Calcium Ionized
Serum Potassium
Serum Sodium
Chloride
Ceruloplasmin
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Total T3
Free T3
Free T4
TSH
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Serum Iron
Ferritine
Copper
Manganese

Reference ranges for test values are provided in the rightmost column of the image.
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« Reply #18741 on: 22/08/2013 20:25:13 »
Thanks for this testimony ;

I have a few questions :

Can we know a bit more about the "standard program" ?

why did herman added iron in your program ? Maybe Herman can come a last time to answer himself ? ; )


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18742 on: 22/08/2013 20:37:23 »
I am glad that Gringo improved so much.

Lapoisse,

Gringo did not follow standard program , I worked with him  directly.  Dont try to fit in his supplement regimen with yours, it will be completely different.  Everyone  has their own problem and program .

There is no standard program  which is  universal. Plus I  prefer to   do a step method  that I developed , this way  I dont get the conflicts between minerals as I saw happen on standard ARL programs.

Dont look at others people,  your  way to recovery will be completely different.     

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« Reply #18743 on: 22/08/2013 21:19:42 »
old tests on full blown POIS
Thyroxine(T4) 8.60 UG/DL range 4.70-11.40
t3 uptake 32.79% range 24.0-40.0

I dont know what is wrong here
 I will try to do more thorough tests in the future if I can get the insurance to pay.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18744 on: 22/08/2013 21:37:34 »
B-JIM

POIS is not about manganese. It is about balance.  I feed certain  ratios at certain times.  Lets say     you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person  will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.  The results will be completely  different,  It is the exact ratio what matters, not  feeding the mineral.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18745 on: 22/08/2013 22:33:04 »
Interesting about the olive leaf extract herman mentioned a few posts back. GoingCrazy has had some really great results with taking OLE. He talks about it in the other forum.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18746 on: 23/08/2013 00:10:06 »
many zinc supplements are chelated, mine are Zinc Gluconate, does this have any disadvantage?

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« Reply #18747 on: 23/08/2013 01:08:44 »
Plus I  prefer to   do a step method  that I developed , this way  I dont get the conflicts between minerals as I saw happen on standard ARL programs.
Herman  - can you give me an example of the above ^.
             - The tests that Gringo had in his spreadsheet, do you know if this is from hair or saliva or blood serum?
Love reading a success story like Gringo's.

you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.
So that guys do not have to inundate you and can maybe take the initiative themselves... can you say what determines the difference here between these 2 cases. Is it simply the case that person A had lower levels of zinc in his hair/saliva/blood to begin with?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18748 on: 23/08/2013 01:19:08 »
Interesting about the olive leaf extract herman mentioned a few posts back. GoingCrazy has had some really great results with taking OLE. He talks about it in the other forum.
OLE gets raved about, but I found it useless. I noticed more benefit from black seed oil, which I took for a little while. If it was on the store shelves instead of OLE, then I'd see it and be inclined to give it a run again. I had to order it online.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18749 on: 23/08/2013 06:12:35 »
It's definitely very exciting to read Gringo's success story! Thank you for sharing Gringo's story with us victor.kons. When Daniel is cured I'll be very confident and comfortable trying this out for myself. He has constant POIS like me and has tried almost everything, so if it works for him then it might work for me and a lot of other sufferers.

This month is my 10-year anniversary for getting POIS, and I can't think of a better place to be as far as progress toward a cure.