Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19150 on: 09/12/2013 08:22:12 »
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Nice question. Having pois does NOT reduce your wbc count to recognizable level. Main constituents of wbc are B-cells and T-cells. B-cells form antibodies, antibodies are certain proteins. And whenever there is a foreign body on, the antibodies fight and themselves get degenerated, wbc does not get reduced. If you are having low wbc count then it must be caused due to some other reasons.

Okay so here's an update for better understanding of POIS, as soon as your immunity detects foreign material in your body sperm-antigen get into action. And starts killng sperms. So, how do you have those unlike symptoms, well it's your body's own defense system to protect itself. To get your essential organs protected against that foreign body, Bloodstream to essential organs gets vasoconstricted and the body demands for some bed rest till the sperms are killed. So that nomore or sperm can enter retina , nose, digestive system, CNS and even brain(is actually a part of CNS). Untill all the sperms are killed arteries do not get back to normal. Niacin creates vasodialation so now the sperms are still being killed, we feel just like normal because the organs are getting enough of blood. Problems occur to some individuals in retina that they are unable to see clearly is due to less of bloodflow to retina, also flu like symptoms due to less of bloodflow to nasal tract, chilling the nose everytime one breathes. Taking Vitamin supplement helps as they improve metabolic process and maintaining a proper blood circulation. While immune system is still fighting.

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« Reply #19151 on: 09/12/2013 08:38:13 »
MrVat,

Where do you come up with this stuff. You  have changed your  nick from  "suffering from POIS " to this Mr VAT thing 2 days ago. You were crying how POIS is killing you.Then you just went mental. It seems  you have multiple  Ids that  talk to one another, since no sane person would  read your  nonsense.  You  posted this nonsense once, why do you keep posting it over and over again.  Women with testicles, then sperm in the brain. This is scientific forum and  really smart people  were banned before  for much less bullcrap then  you post.

You theory  is  crushed by  these facts below  so  stop  posting  , fix yourself first and then give people your  advice:

1)  Members on this forum  removed  tonsils and  wisdom teeth  which  were infected and got rid of  POIS 100% (   Gurav story ) . No sperm ducts were touched , nothing changed in the reproductive  system, and the person  is totally cured. According to your theory , nothing would change for this person . He is taking nothing, and he did not change anything that could effect  sperm not getting into the bloodstream as you say .
2) Nathan  did liver cleanse and  small intestine cleanse and got rid of POIS  100%. Also  Nothing was touched in the reproductive  system. The person is  taking no supplements at all at this time, and  experiences  zero POIS. According to you theory  this person will still have  POIS, but he does not.  He did not fix any holes in his sperm ducts)))
3) I balanced my minerals and got  rid of POIS, so did  Daniel,  Andrea, Gringo.  I experience zero POIS and found that my POIS was caused by copper and selenium deficiency which caused low SOD and low gluthatione and  chornic  IDO induction. Same here nothing was done to the sperm ducts. And I dont experience any pois symptoms  even if I take no supplements.
4) Kurtosis  took antibiotics for Sibo, Xinafaх and got rid of POIS.

ALL of these people had one thing in common , it was IDO induction. Kurtosis even  posted tests here that he did and it clearly pointed to IDO.  So POIS is caused by IDO induction...IDO induction can be caused by  things that I mentioned before and everysingle body  has a different trigger.  Rosmarinic acid inhibits IDO

Allergies can cause IDO induction, so people can become allergic to their sperm, but sperm is not the reason  why  some got allergic to the sperm,   not proper immune response is what responsible for it  and   as you can see from cases above,  allergy to sperm is very very rare and even if it  exits  for POISers,  it was not the case for majority people who got cured.

And it is not your theory , it was the first theory  suggested by Dr. Waldinger, which to me  was already discredited.So dont pretend that you came up with  something. This theory was the original POIS theory and was discussed on this forum million  times.  I dont know why someone one like you  would come and claim it instead of  going in the begining of this forum and read hundreds of posts on it.


So as you can see  it has nothing to do with Sperm so please stop  YOUR NONSENSE. No one of these people had any surgeries like you suggest, so you should go and do it yourself and then  post about it.
I just dont understand why you are posting  without  even being fixed and giving people dangerous advice like  orgasming 3 times in a row.  I understand sometimes  people under  POIS go crazy, but common you are beyond insane. You refuse to reason even. When hard facts are supplied against your theory you  just come up with kindergarden  pseudo theory( like women with testicles) to  prove your original  insane theory.  The facts above are totally solid and everyone on this forum knows those people. So this is the end of your insane  theory.


I hope your sanity comes back to you fast.


From the looks of your symptoms , you have prostatitis  and a chronic infection in  your prostate and cowper glands . That is why  when you orgasm 3 times in a row,  it lowers  infection count  in your  prostate which is chronic   and caused by  constant masturbation. You will never get rid off that infection  by masturbating even more))) And  you  dont feel that infection or know about it  since it is  chronic.

As far as Icefloe, he sounds  like a nice person. and it  is  a shame  he has to listen to  someone like you . I would reccomend for him to contact Dr.Vickery or Michelle  from suprenutrient.com and talk to them  personally about  his eyesight, since eyesight and retina problems is the first sign of  protein  deficiency,  actually anyone  who suddenly  loses vision ,  either severely zinc deficient or protein deficient. I had the same  happen to me when I had POIS.Now I have perfect vision .
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19152 on: 09/12/2013 08:43:21 »
Sadandfrustated

Low WBC is  usually copper deficiency, which will lead to high histamine levels and  chronic inflammation , since copper is the activator of  SODs in your system. It has absolutely  no  connection with  sperm in the blood.
Actually  quite the opposite if there is  blood sepsis or cancer, then WBC is  increased like  in  lymphoma.

Dont listen to  stupidity of MrVat
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19153 on: 09/12/2013 11:22:46 »
Acronym,

Everything that Daniel is taking was  thought thru.
I can write the outline of each supplement here:
1) okra pepsin is taken  to dissolve mucus in small intestine ,  okra glues on  the intestine wall and pepsin dissolves the mucus .   Some people pass snake skin like   stuff in their enemas later. Most people have this mucus, since many eat dairy products. This mucus causes  SIBO.
2) Wobenzym is taken  mainly for   its trypsin and chymotrypsin  component .Bromelaine and papaine  is a good addition . I personally found that  BIOZYME has stronger trypsin and chymotrypsin  content.
When you start taking trypsin and chymotrypsin it starts clearing foreigh proteins ( bacterias and viruses and parasites and tumors, lypomas, cysts)  in your body and you will get die off reaction. To get to that you need to take  a lot of it,  like 20 pills a day .
3) HCL  is obvious
4) amino acids are tricky , I recommend essential amino acids only. For those who have higher copper  levels in blood, I would reccommend  Platinum plus amino acids from  supernutrient site. They have molybdenum in them.( we take 6 pills a day of that). For those  who  have lower levels of copper in blood,  you should use  Now foods or another  essential amino acids complex.
5) rosmarinic acid extract or peppermint oil  enteric coated pills . This is used to  inhibit IDO and temporarily  relieve you form  POIS symptoms.
6) The main part is  still for you to balance  your minerals. For that you can do blood tests or hairtests.
If you dont do this,  after you  stop  rosmarinic acid,  symptoms will slowly come back.
After you  fix your minerals,  everything else will be fixed,  your antioxidant system , your immune system , your  nervous system, your reproductive system and so on.

In the meantime, after you do your blood work and see your deficiencies or toxicities,  you need to balance your life style and diet  so this deficiency  will not occur again after you  fix it .   For instance, some  people drink tap water and get copper toxic because of it,   other people smoke and get  severly  selenium deficient.  Some people  masturbate and get zinc coper and selenium deficient.   Some live in  very polluted cities and  get manganese  toxicity from  car fumes, which lowers  copper greatly

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19154 on: 09/12/2013 12:07:35 »
Thanks Herman.
I realize you have covered the basic protocol in your past threads. I was interested in some of the specific digestive supplements BD took in his recovery and also the amounts, that is why I made that post. There's a stack of different digestive enzyme products/brands out there so I was interested in why the specific products were used. I have used HCL + digestive enzymes + probiotics in the past but was disappointed with them. I would have thought I was a great candidate for them as I had a lot of digestive troubles + food intolerances + big difficulty putting on weight despite eating plenty. Digestive issues began around the same time I first got pois. I have done colonics + anti parasite treatments in the past and these helped a lot but alas it was not the complete solution. Very interested now in reviewing my approach to digestion.

Actually I have a specific question for you Herman. You gave BIOZYME a big wrap. That has Pepsin + Bromelain + Betaine HCl + Pancreatin in it. If B_Daniel had taken BIOZYME could he have done away with taking Wobenzym, Okra Pepsin, Pancreatin, HCL supplements and just taken the one product and saved money?
BIOZYME comes in bottle of 90 tabs, so at the rate of 20 pills/day (tho this was your Wobenzym recommendation) a person would go through a bottle in less than a week, unless BIOZYME (because you say is superior) it could be taken at a less doseage.
Cheers.
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« Reply #19155 on: 09/12/2013 12:30:18 »
Acronym

First of all,  throw your probiotic and prebiotics as far away as you can. Never use those. They will make you worse. I think  Sibo popularity these  days is  due to probiotics.   I  take probiotics  only in enemas and also makes sure that  the enema  size does not go over 1 litre , preferably  0.5 litre.
Probiotics  increase acidity of  small intestines when taken  orally, that should not be done.
My wife lived on  liquid probiotics for 2 years and thought she was  making good for herself, then she got cancer of the small intestine. I saw personally what happened  to her intestines.. She basically lived on kefirs and yogarts and nothing else.

You see  if you  look at  digestive tract compartments, you see   the  part from your mouth to your stomach  should be acidic( that is why to support acidity of this part, I suggest   oral  probiotic lozengers  and НСL), then  the part from your duodenum  to lower  part of  small intestine should be alkaline and  then your large intestine is  acidic.

The beauty of coffee enema is that coffee is acidic, so when you do  coffee enema , you  acidify  your large intestine, but at the same time caffeiene  triggers bile  secretion , and bile  alkalanizes small intestine.  SO  when you do coffee enema you acidify  your  large intestine  and alkalanize your small. That is why it worked for cancer patients.

When you get  mucus on the walls of small intestines,  that mucus  lowers alkalinity of it greatly and  you get  SIBO, which then causes  malabsorbtion issues.

Never do colonics EVER.  The reason for it, is that  when you do colonics the valve between  your  large intestine  and small intestines opens up, since  colonic is done under a lot of pressure, and  all the bacteria  from large intestine  goes to small  with all that water and you get SIBO.

I  saw so many people actually   crash from colonics  and their IBS got much much worse.
It is better to use  something from the top to clean  out  small intestine, like prankshalana  procedure with salt water , or  oxy powder supplement.

Also you can use alka balance supplement( which is  enteric coated  bicarbonate)  to make small intestine more alkaline.

I am sure Daniel will share the names and the amount of whatever he is taking


As far as BIOZYME,  it does have 90 pills and it is  too little..That is why BIOZYME is used by me as a main digestive help with food  and wobenzym is used away from food as enzymic therapy/  Actually BIOZYME has  bigger content of trypsin and chymotrypsin in it than wobenzym, but wobenzym's  cost  is100 bucks for 800 pills, which is good price if you decide to take 20 a day and if you  take  many pills of  BIOZYME it will cost you a lot more than 100 dollars.

There are several very good enzymes on the market with trypsin and chymotrypsin , but they are a lot more expensive  and can  end up  costing up to 2000 dollars monthly  as  for cancer patients.( Kelleys cancer therapy).  That is  why we chose  the ones which are slightly more affordable .

Okra pepsin is a special product and has nothing to do with the digestion, it is  for small intestines and it is against mucus,  you cant substitute it.


If you want to save  money , then I would recommend wobenzym taken 40 minutes before food( 5 pills) ,  and  one pill of  BIOZYME after food.

Good luck.

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« Reply #19156 on: 09/12/2013 12:55:08 »
Hey Herman I modified my post above your while you just posted. I added in a question for you on BIOZYME which I now see you covered in your post. thanks.
I see your warning on colonics. For me they were wonderful. Parasites and black tar like stuff came out. I was so mentally wasted just prior to having a series of these years ago. After them, it felt like my IQ jumped 20 points. I went back to university the following year and got distinctions + high distinctions. My pois was still there but I was not so wiped out mentally by it. I do use oxy powder every so often + chlorophyll. I have also in the past few weeks been focusing on making my body more alkaline. I did a ph test a few times over the years and score very acidic despite what I thought was a good diet. I do take a fair bit of protein however.
Cheers
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« Reply #19157 on: 09/12/2013 13:06:37 »
Yes, it is good to separate  compartments and  make sure that  you support  each comparments PH( acidic or  alkaline) with your lifestyle., food and procedures... Colonics can be good for large instestine, obviously, I dont recommend it to anyone with POIS or irritable bowel, but I am sure   if you have clean large intestine  you feel much better.

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« Reply #19158 on: 09/12/2013 15:10:59 »
Gbolduev
You seem to have not read my post properly, i already mentioned
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Having pois does NOT reduce your wbc count to recognizable level.

And till your remedies are concerned and your theories , someone said
 
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Gbolduev changes his theory 5000 times..that sick person should be banned

Your theory about IDO induction is totally wrong boyo. A person with any type of infection in his prostate will NOT be able to ejaculate or get an orgasm because his prostate is totally INFLAMED. And if then too considering your theory, How does an infection in wisdom tooth or tonsils starts to cause Dis-ease just after one gets ejaculation? And EXACTLY remains for 4-7 days ? Lol what does wisdom tooth , or tonsils have to do with an orgasm.Iceflow got his tonsils and wisdom tooth removed and he still has POIS. Human body immune mechanics are complex if one suffers from IDO induction once twice or thrice, he will not keep on suffering DECADES WITH POIS. Your theory makes me laugh , it has no logical reasoning of POIS, where is autoimmune reaction ? or allergy with own semen ? Dr Waldinger already said that anyone of this two cause pois, He is still finding how. He is a person who has done with his Phd, and is still finding about POIS. And you are, "i found cause and cure of POIS ". You do not have any more knowledge in medical than Dr Waldinger.

If you dont like my posts then keep your nose out of it. You are overreacting. You get frustrated by my posts, Are you anxious that no more people will consider your theory after mine. lol Your frustration already shows validation of my theory. Stay aside dunce .

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19159 on: 09/12/2013 16:06:49 »
MrVat7
Do you have evidence for your theory?
where is the proof?
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« Reply #19160 on: 09/12/2013 16:57:28 »
MrVat,

I have no more time  engaging in empty discussions with you . If you are mental, and you dont get  what   I wrote to you ,  you should reread my message where it   step by step explains  why the theory  with the  sperm is not valid.  I even  numbered every case and every person on this forum who got cured, and it had nothing to do with any sperm.   Autoimmune  theory has nothing to do with the sperm . It has to do with the overactive  immune system. And overactive immune system is  the result of  mineral imbalance, which then  causes  IDO    breakdown. If you are not  capable  to understand this , then you are not qualified to discuss anything on this forum , moreover  give people  advice.

1) Gurav took out infected  wisdom tooth , and  POIS was gone,   some other guy got infected tonsil out  and POIS was gone....It is not  about any wisdom tooth,  idiot,  it is about infection. You  dont go  and take tonsils out and POIS goes away,  if your infection is in  tonsil then it will  go away , but if your infection is in prostate or you have SIBO, then you can take out all your tonsils and teeth and nothing will happen.
Wow I cant deal with this level of  stupidity.

And dont  call it your  theory , it is  Waldinger theory ,  you are  just a troll who cant come up with more than his dick in his hands every 30 minutes.
If you are interested in Waldingers autoimmune theory ,  then there is nothing to discuss , everyone knows it,  and  it has been discussed  here many times. Go  get desensed  then to your own sperm  and stop posting your garbage here. Day and night you are just repeating  Waldinger, and have absolutely  no  solution.  It is almost comical.  Also you call my theory not valid, when  couple of  people  has  just posted  on the same thread that they are cured on my regimen.  DID you lose it or something?


Stop your   compulsive masturbation  and the world will open up to you.



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« Reply #19161 on: 09/12/2013 17:07:33 »
Kima
Well I lack short of time, I have boards after 3months which would after go for a month more. So i will get blood checked up after 4 months. I am sorry it may take some time. That is why i am posting my theory and spending my time for you all. I would like if Gbolduev understands that there are other people too. If he disagrees it's his opinion. I would like to get opinions of few more people . And how they think about -Sperms Spilled in Bloodstream Theory(SSBT).

Keep Posting
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« Reply #19162 on: 09/12/2013 17:10:11 »
MrVat,

Sober up, moron.

This is scientific forum and nobody is allowed to post their drunken  hallucinations  here. If you have no proof , no facts , no blood test,  hairtests,  nothing,    then  you are not allowed to post stuff on this forum. Moreover give advice to people, based on nothing.
I have a database and  history of more than 1000 POIS suffers, I have helped many of them . Some of them posted here to  share their success and  you just  basically  moved the discussions from  something that already  works, to  discussing  known Waldinger theory  which  has no solution and  calling it YOURS...
This is pathetic.
Freak show to say the least.

Dont spend your  time for us here,  go spend the time for yourself and get cured . Then when you are cured,  you can  define the theory ,  collect proof for it, and come back here and  post it.
Before that, you are   just a troll..
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« Reply #19163 on: 09/12/2013 17:28:06 »
Gbolduev please shut up. You reacted as you have never heard of SSBT earlier, and now you are saying such nonsense. This is not your home where you can behave as such. You need a psychiatrist.

You will get proof on your face. This forum is for discussion and to share opinions. I got Yours , now please do not check my patience.
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« Reply #19164 on: 09/12/2013 17:30:37 »
MrVat7

First, you need to pass all completely only then write progress treatment You rushed to conclusions In any case, I wish you luck!
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« Reply #19165 on: 09/12/2013 17:38:45 »
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First, you need to pass all completely only then write progress treatment You rushed to conclusions In any case, I wish you luck!

Thanks a lot!    :)

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« Reply #19166 on: 09/12/2013 17:43:08 »
This is a scientific forum  with rules.  You can express your opinion  and  let other members  discuss it ,or you can  prove your theory  by  taking people from the forum who beilive   in your theory and fixing  them...I did just that.  You  , on the other hand, did nothing...You have no theory , you fixed nobody , and you are still  in POIS and you have no  understanding how to discuss things based on facts.   Everyone  would already  forget about this stupid  theory after I posted   facts about Gurav and Nathan and  other members and how they got cured...You  seem to completely   sink into  deep denial  about it.

As far as your threat to me  , and about my face.  As  a Russian  I can gaurantee you , that if I met you in person , I doubt you would say these things  in my face.   The security of your mothers  basement allows you  to say things like that, so  enjoy it while it lasts.

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« Reply #19167 on: 09/12/2013 17:46:03 »
People like Gbolduev spoil Russian image. Why are you so uncivilized man! Grow up!

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« Reply #19168 on: 09/12/2013 17:57:20 »
Sorry, I just call things   the way they are. 
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« Reply #19169 on: 09/12/2013 18:29:34 »
What do you call yourself then ?

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« Reply #19170 on: 09/12/2013 20:04:14 »

I don't think this is the root cause of POIS. If I have 4 orgasms in a week I have POIS.

But if I have one orgasm in a month I don't have POIS. So it's not immune system fighting sperm.

I used to notice something similar.  The reason is that sperm is composed of 3,000mg of amino acids.  So you drain your body of a lot of its resources every time ejaculate.  When you only ejaculate once a month your body has more time to replenish and is why you feel fine on 1 orgasm per month.  I'd reckon most people here would atleast feel better from once a month orgasms.  The problem with most POISers, is that their hormonal balance puts them in a state where it's near impossible to reduce their Os to once a week, let alone once a month.
 

I agree with you.I don't have brain fog.I have physical problems (weakness, pain in the joint, sore throat, etc). I think too many orgasms drain your body of a lot of its resources.
For many years I ate large amounts of carboidrates, and fats and small amounts of proteins, fruit and greenstuff (source of minerals).When I began to take supplements (vitamins, minerals, aminoacids, proteins) I saw big improvements.

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« Reply #19171 on: 10/12/2013 10:12:23 »
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  So you drain your body of a lot of its resources every time ejaculate.

Indeed your body does looses some of it's resources , but that does not account for much of resources for body. There are lot many of vitamins and minerals stored in your body. Producing sperms takes some time. So when one ejaculates they only ejaculate sperms which are already there in their body. so when you ejaculate more than once in some time. Only stored sperms are ejaculated and more will be created within next few days. There are people who ejaculate twice a day have normal diet take no supplements and are healthy. And here you are taking Supplements they may be more than 300% RDA. And when you ejaculate once a month then all the sperms are matured and you loose them in a single shot. And they have very less chance to enter bloodstream. If sperm enter one's bloodstream in any case he may have feeling of being drained.

If a POISer is ejaculating once a day, mature sperms are ejaculated, testis still have immature sperms, and he has greater chance of getting sperm in bloodstream. And if you ejaculate more than twice in some time all the sperms are ejaculated (mature & Immature) and may be equivalent to ejaculating once a month. For a girl , getting orgasm once a day or once a month she will get POIS symptoms.

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« Reply #19172 on: 10/12/2013 10:37:02 »
MrVat,

Go cure yourself , go  fix your leakage , then open your mouth..

As of now, you have POIS and you are sick mentally, and it is simply idiotic  to give advice to people being  severely  impaired yourself. This is criminal to say the least.

You are not discussing anything, you are  giving advice without having any knowledge of  biochemistry or medicine. I would understand if you cured yourself , but  just 2 days ago you were  crying out for help.  You have ridiculous mental conditon .  Your doctor  gave you antidepressants ,  so  stick with them for now.

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« Reply #19173 on: 10/12/2013 11:10:57 »
Gbolduev, Are you a fag ? Why are you so anxious about your theory , let others post their views. Or Post a valid scientific argument that proves SSBT wrong. And instead of posting nonsense, post something smart.

And as I always said, necessity is the mother of invention. I have read three 500+ pages books in few days. And i know more than you will ever know about immunity, Brain and reproductive system.
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« Reply #19174 on: 10/12/2013 11:16:48 »
Gbolduev should be banned for using abusive language in his earlier posts & posting nonsense arguments to increase his number of posts.

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« Reply #19175 on: 10/12/2013 11:40:58 »
MrVat,

After you fix yourself , then you will be allowed to open your  trash hole.
There is no  reason for me to argue with a retard anymore.


Gurav took out his infected  wisdom tooth  and  fixed his POIS... What part of that dont you get?. This fact ( which everyone observed on this forum)   totally  makes the sperm leakage theory  crap not valid, since he did not fix any sperm leakages)))  If you dont get that,  then I dont know how  to explain it to you .  No matter how many books you will read , you  will still be  a retarded troll, since your brain  processor  obviously is very obsolete.

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« Reply #19176 on: 10/12/2013 11:49:53 »
Icefloe removed his wisdom tooth and tonsils, He still has POIS. Stop posting this nonsense about wisdom tooth and tonsils. there is no correlation between POIS teeth and tonsils. 

You get your infected brain removed, IDO induction has infected your brain. That is why you are just arguing without a reason. SSBT explains every phenomena that POISer feels. I keed your IDO widsom tooth removal to cure pois. Lol you fag.

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« Reply #19177 on: 10/12/2013 11:56:46 »
MrVAT,

Are you really an idiot, or you are pretending.

Gurav( a member of this forum ) took his wisdom tooth out, and  totally fixed POIS.  That is the fact that happened on this forum.Another  guy   cut out his tonsils and his POIS also vanished. 
What does it  have to  do  with  icefloe?  You are so stupid , that  you dont even get this simple fact.
I am not saying that everyone should cut their tonsils out, or remove wisdom teeth. I am saying that  those 2 people  did it and got rid of POIS  on this forum.

Icefloe may have  no problems with  wisdom teeth  and his POIS is caused by  other  source of infection.
But the fact that somebody  took out their problematic  wisdom tooth and fixed POIS  is proving that  POIS has nothing to do with sperm  leakage, since if it did,  then  taking out infected wisdom tooth would not fix  POIS.

Hello, dont you get this?

 Holy sh1t , I cant believe I argue with an actual retard.
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« Reply #19178 on: 10/12/2013 11:59:26 »
MrVat7, you did not read all the posts on 791 pages of this forum, I did, some cases from the past years:

EDS case: Tried to cure POIS with vasectomy, did nothing. He feels well when he is not ejaculating but still gets POIS when he loses fluids.

Animus case: Removed his testicles, little improvement with POIS, than he removed seminal vesciles which gave him about 90 percent relief, he got totally cured when he undergone TURP and has no fluid release after ejaculation.

When you ejaculate the body gets signal to produce seminal fluids, when you are full the body stops or slows the production to the speed it can absorb. This is the moment we feel better. We feel better when our seminal ducts are full not when they are empty. A gap between seminal ducts could be possible but you would see an increase of eosinophil granulocyte count.


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« Reply #19179 on: 10/12/2013 12:02:44 »
Starky ,

This guy is an obvious moron. I quit  proving something to this degenerate.

Also dont forget that  animus is taking hormones.
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« Reply #19180 on: 10/12/2013 12:04:26 »
How can you explain with your theory that taking niacin before ejaculation Helps in reducing POIS symptoms but does not do much relief after ejaculation ? how does niacin helps in infection (according to your theory) when niacin is not an antibiotic ? how vasodialation helps ? Nicotine also helps , how? And getting an erection also causes minor POIS symptoms , how ?

wow very nice Gbolduev. You have said this a 100 times , you say it again that you wont argue. Okay then do not argue Gbolduev, stay out of SSBT discussion.

Gbolduev does not have any knowledge in human anatomy, he said this himself. If he still argues without any knowledge in the topic, Gbolduev must be banned.
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« Reply #19181 on: 10/12/2013 12:16:15 »
Starsky,
Removal of wisdom tooth can help only if it causes the placebo effect. And some people with vasectomy has symptoms similar to POIS because if the vas deferns is not sealed completely it may release sperm into bloodsream. You might check again about animus case(both the testis or just one). because people who are in 45's if unable to testosterone (produced by testis ) need to take testosterone injections regularly. Testis has many important functions to do in regulating the body. animus has his testis removed he can have a non-manly body. One cannot get testis removed until if he needs it in extreme.   
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« Reply #19182 on: 10/12/2013 12:19:34 »
MrVat,


Dont worry if you try hard , may be  you will understand what I am saying  in 10 years, when they  invent how to upgrade peoples  brains.

Animus is taking testosterone  but he had his testicles removed...
Why the hell are you arguing with the  known fact.
Nathan got rid of POIS by cleaning  his  small intestines and liver.  Kurtosis by  curing  SIBO.
Someone else by  cuting out  tonsils..     I balanced my minerals  and I have no  POIS for more than a year.
Is it all placebo.)))   Placebo  lasts for maximum 2 weeks, moron..  Nathan has no POIS for months, and taking nothing.


Just shut the hell up already.



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« Reply #19183 on: 10/12/2013 12:23:04 »
Not to worry gbolduev, you can get it earlier, get your prostate , tonsils , teeth ,testis and infected brain removed , rather then recommending people to remove important body parts.

No jokes Gbolduev. Did you went to check it under animus's pants ?
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« Reply #19184 on: 10/12/2013 12:31:23 »
MrVat

I recommend to remove nothing.  I  showed you examples of people who got cured  to  discredit your theory.
If you dont  understand those examples  then  get a new brain.
POIS is smart ,  those who can figure it out will procreate,  those who  cant  will die.

Mod note:  Everyone needs to calm down here!
Continued abusive language or attitudes from anyone will lead to bans.


Note for the casual reader - this subject is categorised as a 'New Theory' (if a very long running one) for a reason.  Nobody has proved anything scientifically concrete here, and so one poster's conjecture has no more validity than the next.

For the people suffering from 'POIS-like' (unsubstantiated medically, as it is) symptoms, I hope you do one day find a cure.... but in the meantime, please keep it civil.
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« Reply #19185 on: 10/12/2013 12:45:17 »
People who do not have POIS also Can have symptoms similar to pois. when Infected in wisdom or infected tonsils, have similar pois system due to immunological reaction on Wisdom tooth and tonsils . If teeth are infected due bacteria they can have similar symptoms to POIS. removing teeth or tonsils can help in THAT case. I hope you are smart enough to understand it. POISers feel unlike symptoms since puberty. Ask your examples if they had felt cognitive fatigue since puberty, I bet they had not.  You may had diagonalized him improperly. In any case of infection inside the body due to foreign-body causes symptoms similar to pois. Symptoms Felt by POISer are just due to body's own defense mechanism . 
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« Reply #19186 on: 10/12/2013 13:23:21 »
HAHA....Now  you are saying acquired POIS is not POIS . Get help ASAP, moron..

May be you are married to a woman with testicles -----that would explain your theory.))))
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« Reply #19187 on: 10/12/2013 13:25:23 »
No way boyo, I just changed name because it didn't sound good, And I just felt a need to get more knowledge on Human anatomy so i got few books and started learning, Post orgasmic illness syndrome yeah, so tell me why you didnt had symptoms when you were younger than 30 , you still had orgasm. I may had just completed my puberty this year. was feeling like POIS since I ejaculated for the first time. One feels like dementia , flu and fatigue because the brain is not getting enough oxygen due to vasoconstriction caused by immunological response due to a foreign body, And when brain does not get's enough oxygen one feels like anorexia. Flu because nasal system does not have enough blood to keep it warm. You had felt this symptoms due to infection inside the body, later when you ejaculated both the things came together and you find that this symptoms are due to orgasm ( in your case ). Few like icefloe and me had symptoms since Puberty, You may check out immunological response due to a  unicellular foreign body in inside bloodstream , and also sperm cells. I may say that you didnt had POIS.
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« Reply #19188 on: 10/12/2013 14:00:26 »
Dear moderator,

I wish  to be banned  NOW, so I dont see this pathetic *swearing remaoved by mod*. Also I wish  all my posts to be erased from this forum. It is disgraceful  for me to be associated  with this  dementia going on  here.

So please moderator , can you please do me a favor and ban me and my IP, so I dont have a chance to  answer to  present  stupidity of this place. LOL
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« Reply #19189 on: 10/12/2013 14:14:26 »
Gbolduev , you can delete your account anytime or just stop posting on this topic.

Sincerely
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« Reply #19190 on: 10/12/2013 14:17:18 »
I dont want to have an ability to have an account, so I dont  pity morons like you  and answer your stupid questions.

PLEASE BAN ME from here

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« Reply #19191 on: 10/12/2013 14:56:43 »
For others who are new to POIS-Sperms Spilled in Bloodstream Theory (SSBT) , check this,
 
Accordingly, A person who has POIS has got sperms spilled into his bloodstream during an orgasm. POIS symptoms start occurring within a day or two after orgasm depending on how is your immune system is.People who had vasectomy had reported having symptoms similar to POIS, Also people who had put sperm into their bloodstream. When sperm enters into bloodstream body treats it like a foreign material and body's immune system fights to kill it. If a person who has POIS has somehow a open duct to blood (possible in the vas deferens ) so whenever a person gets an O, sperm get into blood. Whenever there is a foreign body into the bloodstream , immune system comes into action, Sperm-antigens are created which kills the spilled sperms.Killing all the sperms takes some time for the immunity as there is a perfect biological condition for sperms to live in the bloodstream. However it may take 4-7 days for immune system to kill sperms.Till then body itself vasoconstricts so that no more sperm cell can enter important body organs like CNS-brain, nasal system , retina , digestive tract and bone joints. If so happens cognition, memory , flue like symptoms gets on. After the sperms are killed body gets back to normal.

So as soon as your immunity detects foreign material in your body sperm-antigen get into action. And starts killng sperms. So, how do you have those unlike symptoms, well it's your body's own defense system to protect itself. To get your essential organs protected against that foreign body, Bloodstream to essential organs gets vasoconstricted and the body demands for some bed rest till the sperms are killed. So that nomore or sperm can enter retina , nose, digestive system, CNS and even brain(is actually a part of CNS). Untill all the sperms are killed arteries do not get back to normal. Niacin helps as it creates vasodialation so now the sperms are still being killed, we feel just like normal because the organs are getting enough of blood. Problems occur to some individuals in retina that they are unable to see clearly is due to less of blood-flow to retina, also flu like symptoms due to less of blood-flow to nasal tract, chilling the nose every time one breathes. Taking Vitamin supplement helps as they improve metabolic process and maintaining a proper blood circulation. While immune system is still fighting.

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« Reply #19192 on: 10/12/2013 15:18:31 »
How do you want to treat it? You have a theory, its fine but now you need to prove it. If there is a gap between semen and blood than you would have semen in blood but blood in semen too.
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« Reply #19193 on: 10/12/2013 16:32:18 »
Starsky
I'd knew this question would be asked. And here's the answer. During an orgasm there is building up of pressure in various regions of the reproductive system, it is when semen are traveled from testis to prostate, or whether it is the ejaculation, in which there is more intense pressure( bulbocavernosus muscle are involved). This pressure creates the channel to bloodstream expand and Semen is spilled to bloodstream. And due to pressure difference there is only one way flow, and it stops when the pressure difference is equal. Note that this is a narrow channel from reproductive system to bloodstream, unlike a artery. Therefore vasodialation does not create widening of channel. The exact location of this channel needed to be found experimentally. If a POISer suffers from High BP he may find blood in semen, to be sure one can have haematospermia test. Note that blood may be in small quantity and may not be visible through naked eyes.

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« Reply #19194 on: 10/12/2013 17:46:46 »
MErVat 7
Nothing against you, I do not have .Tell me why you asked Globdev help you?
If you're so sure of his theory.
thank you
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« Reply #19195 on: 10/12/2013 18:14:03 »
Hi Kima
My purpose was to ask help from this forum and it's members. I was not aware of Gbolduev's theory. I then later read his theory and found out that his theory about IDO induction- wisdom tooth and tonsils was a total nonsense.He does not have any qualification on human anatomy and human biology. Also he never had POIS , just had diagonalized himself wrong. He may had fight with his women and then had posting nonsense here.

Thanks
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« Reply #19196 on: 10/12/2013 18:33:13 »
Individuals can continue consuming rosemary, as it is a vasodialator and has antioxidant property.Rosemary can re really beneficial for coping up POIS symptoms.

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« Reply #19197 on: 10/12/2013 19:57:59 »
I see the message "Post by Gbolduev click to view.Post by Gbolduev click to view." in place of some Hermans posts. When I click it nothing happens though. How can I view these posts?

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« Reply #19198 on: 10/12/2013 20:20:11 »
Hi,
I think I have restricted blood flow in brain in POIS time. When I used  Betaloc I was almost POIS free. Also when you get older you have more different POIS symptoms. My cholesterol level is higher than normal (atherosclerosis). But still all started since puberty (mild POIS symtoms)  and first what i had noticed was bad eye sight next days, what is covered about a  week).

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« Reply #19199 on: 10/12/2013 20:21:17 »
HAHA....Now  you are saying acquired POIS is not POIS . Get help ASAP, moron..

May be you are married to a woman with testicles -----that would explain your theory.))))


There you go again herman starting things, calling people names not giving others a chance to share their thoughts.
Why can you share your information without all this nonsense.