Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #19300 on: 19/01/2014 23:51:47 »
Hi
I have had POIS since about 50.
What you experience is what I call PART of the symptoms of a classical migraine attack (not just a gross headache which most people refer to as migraine). I have had major migraine attacks for my whole life. But POIS only developed for me at about 50. One of the major parts of a migraine attack is the inability to think down past a single level of complexity. You can THINK at a single level and know what you want to say, but you cannot actually SAY the words in any coherent manner. You become grossly dyslexic. This state usually lasts up to several hours, and is often accompanied by nausea.
Just recently I have started on the Youngevity Blood/Sugar package, and fingers crossed, no POIS or MIGRAINE so far.
May be worth a try :). PS. I have also stopped using statins (cholesterol reducers). Something is working. My wife says she might keep me.....
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« Reply #19301 on: 20/01/2014 03:41:21 »
Interesting question/observation - for those that have cognitive symptoms as the main symptoms of POIS, does the following ever occur to you during POIS? (if you don't know, try it)

- When you bend your body over or put your head upside down for a few seconds, do you feel extreme pressure in the head, like as if your head is about to explode?
- And right after that you stand back up and realize your face and eyes are abnormally bloodshot?

Why I ask this is, is because the mental symptoms of POIS could be caused by something blood flow circulation related to the head/brain. There are a few other members of this thread that have previously hypothesized cerebral vasoconstriction as a possible cause of the cognitive symptoms.

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« Reply #19302 on: 20/01/2014 06:08:39 »

- When you bend your body over or put your head upside down for a few seconds, do you feel extreme pressure in the head, like as if your head is about to explode?


I feel the same! I made MRT of my brain and nothing bad was find.

I feel little better when I make massage of my head and back in pois or I drink glass of wite wine.

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« Reply #19303 on: 20/01/2014 06:15:46 »
Trying to find a common theme here.

 Is anybody on this thread who suffers from POIS:
1/ Using statin drugs for lowering of cholesterol, "Crestor", etc.?
2/ Practicing a low cholesterol diet, all polyunsaturated foods like margarine, and vegetable oils , no eggs, minimal red meat etc.

The BAD cholesterol is essential for brain maintenance and cell renewal.
Eat at least 4 eggs a day. Cut out carbohydrates and all polyunsaturated fat input.
This will NOT lead to obesity.

To quote Malcolm Kendrick, MD:
"The French consumed three times as much saturated fat as was consumed in Azerbaijan, and had one-eighth the rate of heart disease."
"Every single country in the top eight of saturated fat consumption had a lower rate of heart disease than every single country in the bottom eight of saturated fat consumption."
"And still we are told that a high saturated fat diet causes heart disease."
End quote
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« Reply #19304 on: 20/01/2014 08:11:59 »


People with infertility have high antisperm antibody count, The thing is my antisperm antibody count is high, still I am fertile. That may be a sort of proof ( there's more proof to be found though ) for SSBT .

Antisperm antibodies are created only when sperm enters blood. Small amount of these antibodies are produced during puberty , but I am having elevated concentration of antisperm antibodies. This does Imply Spill of Sperm in blood. Then and only then this level of antibody can be produced in my body .

MrVat7
Hi MrVat7, I'm 54, I have children and I have pois. I find very interesting the results of your ASA. I read the list of the vitamins that you tried. Except Biotin and Inositol, I tried all the other on your list  without any result. I tried flunarizin whit some good result but the side effects were very important. Fatigue was the most important side effect, I was sleeping 12 hours a day. Niacin gave some result. What kind of other test will you try for your ASA? When you had your blood test for ASA, how much time you did it after having an O?

Hello KingKong

To get blood tested for ASA I took Abstinence for upto 20 days post ejaculation. Main reason for waiting upto 20days or so that ASA concentration can increase in the body, so that one gets notable results. ASA gets consumed whenever there is sperm spill. So we let ASA to increase upto maximum level that it can, and then get blood tested.

Note that not everyone has high levels of ASA in their body. These are rare antibodies and created only when sperm comes in contact with blood.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19305 on: 20/01/2014 08:42:15 »
Is everyone here fertile

Excluding few who have got some of their reproductive organs removed (i dont remember names ) . members here including me , are fertile.

I am curious noone, what is your logic behind asking this question ?

You don't know that about us, and possibly even yourself. Have you got a girl pregnant yet (and were confident she was not having sex with other man behind your back)?  To me fertile, means more than just producing ejaculate. Even then if there is sperm is it very little or its not healthy or are covered in antibodies.
For me I can't say as I don't have any children and have not wanted any.

MrVat - Can you ask your pathologist why the reference range for the ASA test is <75. If any ASA is not good then why is the reference range not much lower like 20. My guess is that doctors don't care if you have some ASA as its no big deal from a health perspective and only becomes an issue as the level gets high as it then starts to adversely effect the guy's ability to conceive.
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« Reply #19306 on: 20/01/2014 08:54:23 »
Hi I have had POIS since about 50.
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gcrisp - I am always interested in those who few who get pois after puberty. I suspect you would have mentioned it, but I have to ask, was there any changes to your life - diet, meds, supplements, stress, moved to a new city, change in sexual practices, got another medical condition (apart from migraines) around 50? Did it come on slowly and get worse over the year?
There were a couple of other guys on here who got it later in life. One seemed to have screwed up his endocrine system by going heavy on penis enlargement + libido pills. Another guy was partying heavy and I suspect may have effected his endocrine system as well, doing drugs for sport.
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« Reply #19307 on: 20/01/2014 09:24:50 »
acronym,
I guess I started following doctors orders about that time and had been taking the usual medications doctors prescribe as you get older, and also all the other things like diet control, no saturated fats, etc, cholesterol reducing statins. Now, without medical supervision I have dropped the statins, and gone back to a realistic diet with plenty of saturated fats as an important part. I have also started taking the Youngevity broad spectrum of vitamins, minerals etc as food supplement. All I am certain of is that the POIS has stopped dead in its tracks, whereas previously, it was always there and so that part of my life was on hold!. At this time, I feel it was the dropping of statins, and the change in diet that has done the trick, leading to more available cholesterol in my system.
Their are many interesting articles on this on the www.thincs.org site
cheers
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« Reply #19308 on: 20/01/2014 10:56:58 »
gcrisp - thanks for the info. Very interesting. So you got POIS at 50 but got rid of it a few years later by boosting your cholesterol. My cholesterol is actually on the low side when I had it measured say 8 yrs ago. In the last few years I have added more fats & oils to my diet. My pois is not so bad but its not gone (but I have also taken other meds/supps in that time).
Did you happen to get any blood tests around that time of some of your hormones (which are made from cholesterol) or since you changed your diet?
You would think maybe pois symptoms though would be listed as side effects for statin drugs possibly....but is that the case?

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« Reply #19309 on: 20/01/2014 12:07:57 »
Hi I have had POIS since about 50.
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gcrisp - I am always interested in those who few who get pois after puberty. I suspect you would have mentioned it, but I have to ask, was there any changes to your life - diet, meds, supplements, stress, moved to a new city, change in sexual practices, got another medical condition (apart from migraines) around 50? Did it come on slowly and get worse over the

Hi!
I am 44. I have had pois at 42. It was a time of big stress and it started against the background of increased sexual activity.

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« Reply #19310 on: 20/01/2014 12:58:35 »
Is everyone here fertile

Excluding few who have got some of their reproductive organs removed (i dont remember names ) . members here including me , are fertile.

I am curious noone, what is your logic behind asking this question ?

You don't know that about us, and possibly even yourself. Have you got a girl pregnant yet (and were confident she was not having sex with other man behind your back)?  To me fertile, means more than just producing ejaculate. Even then if there is sperm is it very little or its not healthy or are covered in antibodies.
For me I can't say as I don't have any children and have not wanted any.

MrVat - Can you ask your pathologist why the reference range for the ASA test is <75. If any ASA is not good then why is the reference range not much lower like 20. My guess is that doctors don't care if you have some ASA as its no big deal from a health perspective and only becomes an issue as the level gets high as it then starts to adversely effect the guy's ability to conceive.

Acronym

I have assumed that everyone here is fertile as there has not been any complaint for fertility. Few have POIS and have got children. For me , Ive got semen test long back ago , I had got 35 million/ ml of sperm count , and sperm was healthy. I am curious why my body has developed ASA.

More reference values for ASA test are as follows.

     Result > 20    ASA present
        0-60 U/ml   normal
         above 60    elevated values     

MrVat7 

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« Reply #19311 on: 20/01/2014 16:51:51 »
We must look at the direction of vagus nerve. Knowingly Dr. Komisaruk offered to explore this nerve. I think the vagus nerve is associated with penile .

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« Reply #19312 on: 20/01/2014 19:19:49 »
I cant believe there has been such a thread for six years and I just have found about it.
I am a 21 year old guy from Egypt. I have been suffering from POIS for 5 years. but it kind of exaggarated three years ago(severe cognitive malfunction, Severe insomnia, bad temper with depression & with almost all the symptoms mentioned here)
It is a kind of relief that What I'm suffering from is an acknowledged disease and Some people have the same thing. I thought I was alone in this.

I want to share my last three-month experience, you might find it helpful with your case. Since then, I haven't had the same Post-orgasmic severe symptoms. I am NOT CURED, but I feel relatively better . If you are going to try it, Please let me know about the results.
- I got rid of every source of stress when Possible (I got out of a devastating relationship)
- I stopped Masturbating with my own hand, I just rub my genitalia against something soft and keep my arms and hand totally relaxed (I dont make it move at all),  I depend on lower back muscles for the movement needed for the process.  I NEVER LET MY HANDS TOUCH MY PENIS DURING MASTURBATION. and IT SURPRISINGLY WORKS, THE SEVERITY OF SYMPTOMS HAS BEEN MUCH REDUCED AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY! YOU MIGHT THINK ITS A JOKE, BUT IT IS NOT! and I recover REALLY FAST compared to Masturbating with my hands
- I reduced my Masturbation Frequency
- I started to practice swimming.
- I have been doing Shoulder and upper back slight work out.
- I started to take Supplements with extra vitamins, Mg, Ca, Zinc.

I want to state again that I AM NOT CURED! this is just what helped me with my Symptoms, I hope it helps you too till they find a cure.

BEST OF LUCK

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« Reply #19313 on: 21/01/2014 01:04:58 »
Hello all. I'm here to possibly find answers to help my boyfriend. He's convinced he's alone in this and I'm trying to find even the smallest amount of information on this because no one else on the internet seems to know what's going on. He doesn't have health insurance so he won't and can't see someone about this and he's convinced it's just going to get better because he says he's never experienced this before (21 yr old). I, on the other hand, am afraid it's not going to be that simple. And I want to be able to understand this so maybe I can attempt to make it easier for him to recover from what we call his "lethargy".  Ever since we started dating, he's always complained of general uncomfortableness and lethargy after ejaculating. And not just through sexual contact with me but any time it happens.

He's out of commission for about 5 days. He feels absolutely awful for the first two, better on the third, and by the fifth day he feels completely normal.  However, in the last month this seems to have gotten significantly harder. The symptoms I've heard him complain about are:
-Brain Fog
-headaches
-general lethargy
-weakness
-dizziness
-increased heart rate (says it feels like its having trouble pumping blood or something)
-hot flashes
-GI upset, sometimes constipation, other times nausea
-horrible joint pain in his knees and ankles
-dry eyes
-thirsty all the time

More recently, he's developed issues sleeping, he just cannot get a good night of sleep and he's been developing what I could only describe as anxiety and maybe some depression. (I suffer from both so I can at least kind of relate to those two.) He used to be a gym junkie and worked out all the time, and he's hoping that that will aid him in being able to recover from this faster. He also takes a bunch of supplements like fish oil, grape seed extract, glucosamine, and ect. From what I know he's also stopped masturbating as well to offset this from happening. He has also had a history of issues with autoimmune diseases, and awhile back he got his eyes checked out for the dryness and they said it could possibly be that. Since then, everything has gotten steadily worse and he hasn't gotten tested for any autoimmune issues yet.

The timeline for all of this happening is about three months.

If anyone has anything to suggest, please let us know. It's hard watching this happen to him so I can't even imagine what it feels like for him.

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« Reply #19314 on: 21/01/2014 09:59:40 »
Hello Supernova

I appreciate your dedication to your boyfriend. He may be suffering from POIS. Well there isnt a cure found out till now for POIS. What he can do is to take certain measure before ejaculation so that he feels lesser of symptoms(brain fog, Fatigue etc)  after an ejaculation. One thing that has helpes almost all poisers is taking niacin before ejaculation. He can start with taking 50-70 mg of Flush Niacin ( make sure it's flush niacin and not flush free) before an ejaculation. Wait until flush has Passed ( usually takes 10-15 minutes for flush to disappear ) and then he can ejaculate. Believe me, If he is suffering from POIS this will significantly help him to reduce symptoms after an ejaculation.

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« Reply #19315 on: 21/01/2014 12:45:04 »
 I just Discovered that we Poisers Can/May be suffering from cerebral hypoxia. Cerebral hypoxia in Poisers can be cause of cognitive dysfunction we POISers feel. I explain this phenomena as follows.

It begins as ,After ejaculation , body detects some spilled substance in bloodstream(possible sperm cells ). So in order to protect brain from that spilled substance there is cerebral vasoconstriction in poisers, which is generally well known. Now Why cerebral vasoconstriction? Because in order to protect brain from foreign spilled particle ,body feels it is necessary that, the spilled particle does not enter brain and damage it. So the arteries to brain gets narrowed, So flow of spill gets reduced to brain. With the same action of vasoconstriction bloodflow also decreases. Think of it this way, If a garden water hose was replaced with long chain of straws , the output would be reduced a lot times. There comes cerebral hypoxia. As the bloodflow decreases, oxygen required for the brain to keep working also decreases, so that neurons get depleted of oxygen for proper functioning. Making one feel poor coordination , lack of attention , poor memory , fatigue , and sleepy. To get more knowledge on cerebral hypoxia refer this article from wikipedia.

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The brain requires approximately 3.3 ml of oxygen per 100 g of brain tissue per minute. Initially the body responds to lowered blood oxygen by redirecting blood to the brain and increasing cerebral blood flow. Blood flow may increase up to twice the normal flow but no more. If the increased blood flow is sufficient to supply the brain’s oxygen needs then no symptoms will result. [19]
However, if blood flow cannot be increased or if doubled blood flow does not correct the problem, symptoms of cerebral hypoxia will begin to appear. Mild symptoms include difficulties with complex learning tasks and reductions in short-term memory. If oxygen deprivation continues, cognitive disturbances and decreased motor control will result.[19] The skin may also appear bluish (cyanosis) and heart rate increases. Continued oxygen deprivation results in fainting, long term loss of consciousness, coma, seizures, cessation of brain stem reflexes, and brain death.[20]
Objective measurements of the severity of cerebral hypoxia depend on the cause. Blood oxygen saturation may be used for hypoxic hypoxia, but is generally meaningless in other forms of hypoxia. In hypoxic hypoxia 95-100% saturation is considered normal. 91-94% is considered mild. 86-90% is considered moderate. Anything below 86% is considered severe.[21]
It should be noted that cerebral hypoxia refers to oxygen levels in brain tissue, not blood. Blood oxygenation will usually appear normal in cases of hypemic, ischemic and hystoxic cerebral hypoxia. Even in hypoxic hypoxia blood measures are only an approximate guide – the oxygen level in the brain tissue will depend on how the body deals with the reduced oxygen content of the blood.

it is because of cerebral hypoxia Poisers feel dementic. Niacin is a vasodialator and it helps maintaining blood flow to brain , reducing cerebral hypoxia. We POISers have a vasoconstriction regulated by the body so cerebral hypoxia never crosses it's limit to make one faint or to go in comma. At max POISer feels sleepy all the time.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19316 on: 21/01/2014 20:47:49 »
MrVat - With your theory of Cerebral hypoxia, then ask your doctor about this, given that he presumably sees a number of men who get the ASA test..or if not then maybe he has a colleague who works at fertility clinic who sees many men with high ASA. If these other patients of his score above say 50 then they should get pois symptoms presumably from cerebral hypoxia like us.

The articles I read on men at fertility clinics who had high antibody levels, never mentioned the guy having any adverse health conditions as a result. The clinic doctors also did not seem to treat them with any drug to deal with the ASA, rather the treatment was of their sperm which was cleaned of antibodies then the wife was artificially inseminated.

Also since Niacin is a vasodialator, why does it not work taking it after an O, as it does taking it just before an O?

How do you account for some of the guys in their 40s getting symptoms for the first time in their life? I'd be surprised if 'faulty plumbing' suddenly occurs for these guys (though its possible) so now they get sperm spilling into their body fluid/blood.
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« Reply #19317 on: 21/01/2014 22:27:06 »
well put Acronym!
I have no medical qualifications, but I also don't have POIS any more and I attribute that to a few very distinct changes I made.
I think specific things like niacin or other things that have been suggested are just hiding the symptoms rather than bringing your body back to an ideal state where it is not starved of important nutritional minerals, vitamins, amino acids, essential fatty acids etc.
If any one with consistent POIS is interested I would like to propose a test for 30 days. Please let me know if you are interested. (It will cost you about $2.50 per day). Best $2.50 I ever spent...... :P
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« Reply #19318 on: 21/01/2014 22:42:19 »
MrVat - With your theory of Cerebral hypoxia, then ask your doctor about this, given that he presumably sees a number of men who get the ASA test..or if not then maybe he has a colleague who works at fertility clinic who sees many men with high ASA. If these other patients of his score above say 50 then they should get pois symptoms presumably from cerebral hypoxia like us.

The articles I read on men at fertility clinics who had high antibody levels, never mentioned the guy having any adverse health conditions as a result. The clinic doctors also did not seem to treat them with any drug to deal with the ASA, rather the treatment was of their sperm which was cleaned of antibodies then the wife was artificially inseminated.

Also since Niacin is a vasodialator, why does it not work taking it after an O, as it does taking it just before an O?

How do you account for some of the guys in their 40s getting symptoms for the first time in their life? I'd be surprised if 'faulty plumbing' suddenly occurs for these guys (though its possible) so now they get sperm spilling into their body fluid/blood.

Hello Acronym

I appreciate your questions and recruitment, I have answer to all of them .
Starting with- infertile men, have high ASA counts, do not feel any symptoms of POIS is because they have imperfect blood-testis junction. So blood comes in contact with sperm cell,develop ASA and harm it. People with such problem get infertile. Also they develop High ASA count. They do not feel any cognitive problems we POISers feel because their sperm has 'not' entered bloodstream (Fight goes on in testis). So no vasoconstriction is ordered by the body, therefore they have no cerebral hypoxia.

People with high ASA can be either infertile or have POIS. Both POIS and infertility can cause to develop elevated ASA levels. People with High ASA and cerebral hypoxia should have POIS. I will search on for such people.

-->Niacin Before an O,

Niacin Helps before an O as, When one has took niacin before an O it orders Vasodialation, now After ejaculation body orders for vasoconstriction, So both the forces get equal and opposite and cancel each other. POISer feels normal As bloodflow remains normal. Vasodialating effects of niacin are for long time and it maintains normal bloodflow till POISer gets relieved from symptoms.

--> Taking Niacin After an O.

When body Is already vasoconstricted after an O, many narrow blood channels like that in brain get even more narrowed, Bloodflow to those channels has already decreased So that amount of niacin required in those channels to create it's vasodialating effects gets insufficient. Take it this way, Earlier (before an O) suppose 2mg of niacin entered a channel and created helpful effects , now due to vasoconstriction and narrow blood channel say like 0.25mg of niacin could enter that channel. Still some vasodoalation is there but it is not enough and we may feel cerebral hypoxia. And By channels I mean arteries to brain. So , taking niacin after an O, Both the forces are not equal, vasoconstriction is dominant. Therefore It is required that Niacin must be taken before an O. in order to elevate from POIS symptoms.

POIS from puberty is essentially 'plumbing problem' but for some people in their 40's that have developed POIS, Many factors may be involved that caused semen spill in them . It may be that their prostate has start the spill or seminal vesicle. tough question though, Place of Spill should be determined experimentally and spill site may differ from person-person.

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« Reply #19319 on: 22/01/2014 03:52:05 »
well put Acronym!
I have no medical qualifications, but I also don't have POIS any more and I attribute that to a few very distinct changes I made.
I think specific things like niacin or other things that have been suggested are just hiding the symptoms rather than bringing your body back to an ideal state where it is not starved of important nutritional minerals, vitamins, amino acids, essential fatty acids etc.
If any one with consistent POIS is interested I would like to propose a test for 30 days. Please let me know if you are interested. (It will cost you about $2.50 per day). Best $2.50 I ever spent...... :P
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Waiting for it..... :-)

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« Reply #19320 on: 22/01/2014 04:58:56 »
Hi Pois-Sufferer
Thanks for your response.
The only thing you need to do in advance is source the following product: (and I get no kickbacks here, they don't know me from a bar of soap): Youngevity  "On-the-go Healthy start pack" available from a myriad of sources. This is the most complete food supplement that they say is sourced purely from plant and animals as nature intended. No pseudo minerals created in labs!
One months worth is about $70... A bit over $2 per day...
I'll talk about the rest after we see if anyone else wants to join in, prob in about a week.
Are your problems consistent? It will be a benefit if they are (to the test) so we can be aware quickly of any improvement.
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« Reply #19321 on: 22/01/2014 12:42:51 »
I have given my blood to test for ASA. This test is being done in my bad times. So I am expecting that ASA values will be decreased than earlier (good times ) . Lets see. Result is to come on day after tomorrow. If expected occurs it's good for me , good for POISers . Hoping to get expected results. Stay tuned . I am to post genuine result Asap here.

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« Reply #19322 on: 23/01/2014 04:36:48 »
Hi Pois-Sufferer
Thanks for your response.
The only thing you need to do in advance is source the following product: (and I get no kickbacks here, they don't know me from a bar of soap): Youngevity  "On-the-go Healthy start pack" available from a myriad of sources. This is the most complete food supplement that they say is sourced purely from plant and animals as nature intended. No pseudo minerals created in labs!
One months worth is about $70... A bit over $2 per day...
I'll talk about the rest after we see if anyone else wants to join in, prob in about a week.
Are your problems consistent? It will be a benefit if they are (to the test) so we can be aware quickly of any improvement.
g

Very consistent and very much along the same lines as everyone else! Takes weeks to get over..... and very hard not to restart! :-(

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« Reply #19323 on: 23/01/2014 17:31:32 »
Okay so here are results for second ASA test.

Parameter                                               Result             Unit                 Reference interval
*Antisperm antibody serum                       53               U/ml                        <75

The ASA have significantly reduced by value of 8 . May not seem much but to solve a spill of say 0.5 ml , it would not require much of ASAs . I did got this this after a wet dream. Sperms have strong antigens on their surface and that is why it takes about a week to kill all spilled sperms. and until all sperms are not killed and removed from the body , vasoconstriction will be dominant. And by this I would like to implant a idea of SSBT on my fellow readers. Spilled Sperms in the Bloodstream must be the cause of POIS.

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« Reply #19324 on: 23/01/2014 21:58:40 »
Attached is a doc to read for anyone interested in participating.
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None of the links work in a png of course!
Here they are:
http://www.thincs.org
http://www.thincs.org/members.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVf-00w5gk&list=UUR_kFbcwWy1cKLCkmcMf4lg
http://www.ihealthtube.com/aspx/viewvideo.aspx?v=9dfc150b1813e8db
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMae2f68QqM

PS:
IN CASE I HAVN"T MADE IT CLEAR, ALL 3 STEPS OF THE PLAN NEED TO BE FOLLOWED TO HAVE ANY CHANCE OF GETTING THE DESIRED EFFECT. THEY ARE INTER-DEPENDANT.
I have had several people say they have been doing step 1 or some of step 3 for a long time and it has had no effect. I agree
Would you mix up all the ingredients for a cake and not bother to put it in the oven?
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« Reply #19325 on: 24/01/2014 02:14:05 »
Hello Acronym

I appreciate your questions and recruitment, I have answer to all of them .
Starting with- infertile men, have high ASA counts, do not feel any symptoms of POIS is because they have imperfect blood-testis junction. So blood comes in contact with sperm cell,develop ASA and harm it. People with such problem get infertile. Also they develop High ASA count. They do not feel any cognitive problems we POISers feel because their sperm has 'not' entered bloodstream (Fight goes on in testis). So no vasoconstriction is ordered by the body, therefore they have no cerebral hypoxia.

People with high ASA can be either infertile or have POIS. Both POIS and infertility can cause to develop elevated ASA levels. People with High ASA and cerebral hypoxia should have POIS. I will search on for such people.

-->Niacin Before an O,

Niacin Helps before an O as, When one has took niacin before an O it orders Vasodialation, now After ejaculation body orders for vasoconstriction, So both the forces get equal and opposite and cancel each other. POISer feels normal As bloodflow remains normal. Vasodialating effects of niacin are for long time and it maintains normal bloodflow till POISer gets relieved from symptoms.

--> Taking Niacin After an O.

When body Is already vasoconstricted after an O, many narrow blood channels like that in brain get even more narrowed, Bloodflow to those channels has already decreased So that amount of niacin required in those channels to create it's vasodialating effects gets insufficient. Take it this way, Earlier (before an O) suppose 2mg of niacin entered a channel and created helpful effects , now due to vasoconstriction and narrow blood channel say like 0.25mg of niacin could enter that channel. Still some vasodoalation is there but it is not enough and we may feel cerebral hypoxia. And By channels I mean arteries to brain. So , taking niacin after an O, Both the forces are not equal, vasoconstriction is dominant. Therefore It is required that Niacin must be taken before an O. in order to elevate from POIS symptoms.

POIS from puberty is essentially 'plumbing problem' but for some people in their 40's that have developed POIS, Many factors may be involved that caused semen spill in them . It may be that their prostate has start the spill or seminal vesicle. tough question though, Place of Spill should be determined experimentally and spill site may differ from person-person.

MrVat7



I actually think that the vasoconstriction theory is very possible,  and is likely to contribute to most of the cognitive symptoms. Why its plausible is that many actually feel pressure/headaches inside the head along with the cognitive symptoms, which imply a physical manifestation/obstruction that's contributing to the symptoms.

Although I have asked a friend, who is a med student, whether vasoconstriction can be the main cause, but he told me it's unlikely, as the vasoconstriction/cerebral hypoxia would cause stroke-like symptoms.

But I think this is clear - instead of just changes at the neurotransmitter and chemical level, there's also some physical changes to the brain during POIS.

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« Reply #19326 on: 24/01/2014 11:03:26 »
Hey B_Jim
The point is not that reduction in polyunsaturated will help POIS, simply that you should as an alternative, be consuming food with saturated fats in order to promote brain cell rebuild and maintenance.
Our bodies are marvelous entities, but even they cannot build something from nothing.
Why would you send a carpenter to a building site without nails or a nail gun?
Our bodies need all the building blocks we struggle to get in modern polyunsaturated, low fat, low this,  high that, only .05% something else or other.
What happened to real food?
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« Reply #19327 on: 24/01/2014 16:23:45 »
i never reduce fat because i live in poor third world country where fat reducing food not availble? why i have pois?
It is not becuase of diet i have pois becuase of werner syndrome wrn gene mutation,others have other problems to cause pois

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« Reply #19328 on: 24/01/2014 20:39:50 »
Hi gondal4
I appreciate your comments, and I think it most likely that POIS sufferers may have several reasons why they are balanced on the edge of a proverbial cliff, a cliff that the massive hormonal release of an orgasm triggers them to go over the edge.
Saturated fat is only part of the equation, and as you say, this may not be a problem in your country.
But there are at least 90 essential nutrients that our body needs, and it is rare in any environment that we get them all. Especially in western countries.
I would suggest as a minimum you try Magnesium dicitrate , plus riboflavin plus Coenzyme Q10 in order to improve your mitochondrial metabolism. This may be a more cost effective solution than the wide spectrum Youngevity product I suggested.
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« Reply #19329 on: 24/01/2014 21:04:05 »
I will be presenting on my experience with POIS at the Stanford School of Medicine on February 6th as part of the "Engage and Empower Course" on patient engage.  Feel free to check out the live stream. 

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« Reply #19330 on: 26/01/2014 06:43:48 »
I do not remember this being mentioned here but who has extreme lack of drive, absolutely no motivation... now that said I am not depressed I want to do things, I have lots of hope down the road to achieve, just right now I am stuck. I have many things that need doing, many urgent, fix the shower, cook meals, answer work emails.... I want to do them, but actually putting my brain to work and do it is very difficult.... I say to myself do it, do it, answer that damn email, yet... I can not..... just can't put thoughts into real action......

Anyone else?

This is truly ruining my life, my wife's life and more importantly my kids lives!

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« Reply #19331 on: 26/01/2014 07:47:54 »
Has anyone tried vasectomy to cure POIS ?

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« Reply #19332 on: 26/01/2014 09:03:18 »
Hi B_Jim
You may have noticed my comments just a few posts back:
In my opinion it is not just the saturated fat that is important, but the ability for your brain to absorb it properly. Hence:

"I think it most likely that POIS sufferers may have several reasons why they are balanced on the edge of a proverbial cliff, a cliff that the massive hormonal release of an orgasm triggers them to go over the edge.
Saturated fat is only part of the equation, and as you say, this may not be a problem in your country.
But there are at least 90 essential nutrients that our body needs, and it is rare in any environment that we get them all. Especially in western countries.
I would suggest as a minimum you try Magnesium dicitrate , plus riboflavin plus Coenzyme Q10 in order to improve your mitochondrial metabolism. This may be a more cost effective solution than the wide spectrum Youngevity product I suggested."
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« Reply #19333 on: 26/01/2014 21:51:35 »
DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?

Prodromal Phase: Early Warning Signs

Several hours before the migraine begins -- and sometimes even the day before -- many people with migraines notice unusual sensations. They may feel:

Either unusually energetic and excitable or depressed
Irritable
Thirsty
Cravings for certain foods
Sleepy, with frequent yawning
Need to urinate more
In some cases, these symptoms before the headache can help health care providers diagnose the problem as migraines.

Aura Phase: Strange Sensations Arise

About 1 in 5 people with migraine develop an "aura" that begins before the headache or starts along with it. An aura may not occur with every headache.

An aura can include:

Changes in vision. Often visual symptoms begin first during the aura phase. During a migraine you may experience these vision changes:

A flickering, jagged arc of light. This may take a complicated shape. It usually appears on the left or right side of your vision. Over a few minutes, it may spread in size.
An area of vision loss. This problem -- combined with the flickering lights -- can make driving or focusing your eyes on small objects difficult.
"See" images from the past or hallucinations.
These symptoms may continue to grow more severe over the next several minutes.

Skin sensations. This part of the aura may cause tingling or "pins and needles" sensations in the body. It may also cause numbness. These feelings often affect the face and hands but can spread out across the body. The sensations may continue to expand over the next several minutes.

Language problems. During the aura phase of a migraine, you may have trouble communicating with others. Symptoms may include:

Difficulty expressing thoughts while speaking or writing
Trouble understanding spoken or written words
Confusion
Trouble concentrating
Attack Phase: The Headache Begins

The attack portion of a migraine episode can last for a few hours to several days. During this phase of the migraine, the person usually wants to rest quietly and finds normal activities difficult.

A defining quality of migraines is their pain. The pain of a migraine:

Usually begins above the eyes
Typically affects one side of the head, but it may strike the entire head or move from one side to the other. It may also affect the lower face and the neck.
Tends to have a throbbing intensity
May throb worse during physical activity or when you lean forward
May get worse if you become physically active
Other symptoms that may arise during this phase include:

Unusual sensitivity to light, sounds, and smells
Light-headedness and fainting
Nausea and vomiting

Followed by several days with a "cheesy feeling.
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« Reply #19334 on: 27/01/2014 01:53:32 »
Hi all,

I found about this condition on wikipedia. I have been suffering from like conditions for almost 2 years now. Out the list of conditions on wikipedia, I have the following after masturbation :

1) cognitive dysfunction (I find it hard to think)
2) discomfort
3) irritability
4) anxiety
5) craving for relief
6) depressed mood
7) difficulty reading and retaining information
8) difficulty concentrating
9) some fatigue
10) mild headache
11) light muscle pain

My symptoms last from 2-3 days. I found out about this forum on youtube, and seek some help. I want to find out if there is any medicine or any kind of supplement anyone has tried that has helped them resolve this problem.

Thanks.

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« Reply #19335 on: 27/01/2014 02:00:00 »
Hi jack.1234
Have a look at my post on page #796:       Reply #19897 on: 23/01/2014 21:58:40

Orgasm may be triggering part of a migraine attack.
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« Reply #19336 on: 28/01/2014 19:22:40 »
I got POIS attack by pressing my testicles . has this thing occurred with anyone of you ?

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« Reply #19337 on: 28/01/2014 20:35:14 »
try celibacy.it is a sure shot remedy for pois.even in the ancient indian history many kings and emperors have used this way for increasing their cognitive energy.all the human brains are not same,i think people with certain deficient neurotransmitters have pois.i have tried celibacy,it helps a lot.even vitamin d helps.

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« Reply #19338 on: 28/01/2014 21:04:31 »
Hey guys i am new here and i feel like i begin by stating my symptoms and what i have done to combat these symptoms btw i am 19 years old and have dealing with this since i was 14, i dont know how i made it this far. The day after i immediately have a
Severe Headache
depression
No motivation
No interest in the opposite sex (pretty much asexual)
I dont care about anything or anyone barely even myself
Lack confidence, overly self concious, socially awkward and shy
I cant do work efficiently or survive in a social interaction for too long
No real physical pain though other than the fact that i immediately catch a cold.
After about 3-7 days It all goes away and i am the friendliest guy on earth and I am the smartest guy and most talkative person in all of my classes.
I have realized that eating chocolate helps my recovery and being around supportive family members (I havent told anyone)
I am glad to know there are others out there like me if there is any advice please help.
I am right now in day 3 of recovery so please excuse any bad grammar.
Also is there an estimated percentage of people who suffer from this?
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« Reply #19339 on: 29/01/2014 17:44:54 »
How many here have tried to stop the ejaculation and done this by pressing the penis so that the fluid does not get out. I think this stop has caused some damage to the circuit system of the penis, testicles and seminal fluid holder. I support mrvat7 theory.

I also think we ex pro masturbaters have really strong ejaculatory muscles, hence the bigger damage it causes.

Why not do a xray scan of the circuit system to check for leaks?

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« Reply #19340 on: 29/01/2014 17:46:51 »
When i sneeze really hard i strain my penis, its true, hurts like hell  [:D]

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« Reply #19341 on: 29/01/2014 18:07:34 »
When i sneeze really hard i strain my penis, its true, hurts like hell  [:D]

http://www.ehow.com/about_5612143_sneezing-groin-injury.html [?]

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« Reply #19342 on: 29/01/2014 21:02:47 »
How many here have tried to stop the ejaculation and done this by pressing the penis so that the fluid does not get out. I think this stop has caused some damage to the circuit system of the penis, testicles and seminal fluid holder. I support mrvat7 theory.

I also think we ex pro masturbaters have really strong ejaculatory muscles, hence the bigger damage it causes.

Why not do a xray scan of the circuit system to check for leaks?

Hello Johanstefanson
First of all , thanks for your response. To check for leaks, x ray would not help much . We can use a better imaging technology to check for leaks like 'Angiography' of vas deferns. It would show place of leaks and then proper action could be taken .

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« Reply #19343 on: 30/01/2014 01:11:13 »
Hey guys i am new here and i feel like i begin by stating my symptoms and what i have done to combat these symptoms btw i am 19 years old and have dealing with this since i was 14, i dont know how i made it this far. The day after i immediately have a
Severe Headache
depression
No motivation
No interest in the opposite sex (pretty much asexual)
I dont care about anything or anyone barely even myself
Lack confidence, overly self concious, socially awkward and shy
I cant do work efficiently or survive in a social interaction for too long
No real physical pain though other than the fact that i immediately catch a cold.
After about 3-7 days It all goes away and i am the friendliest guy on earth and I am the smartest guy and most talkative person in all of my classes.
I have realized that eating chocolate helps my recovery and being around supportive family members (I havent told anyone)
I am glad to know there are others out there like me if there is any advice please help.
I am right now in day 3 of recovery so please excuse any bad grammar.
Also is there an estimated percentage of people who suffer from this?

I had the exact same symptoms as you do but mine started around 16-17 (I was later with puberty...and Johan I did not hold it in). They faded in intensity as I got older (mid 30s), however they are devastating when you are young and in the prime social & educational era of your life. I found dark chocolate was good in a therapeutic way as well. I crave it, but there is a catch in that if I eat too much I feel worse. I have numerous food intolerances so all I can figure is it is due to something along these lines. It is not something I can eat everyday and also it helps somewhat for pois but is not really any sort of major break through in my opinion. It just helps. It does have a fair bit of saturated fat in it (which has been the topic of discussion recently). It is also high in Copper, Iron, Magnesium, Manganese & Zinc. It may be that you are low in one of these minerals. The user Gbolduev from Russia was a strong advocate of balancing these minerals, and believed imbalances in these (exacerbated by ejaculation & orgasm) were a major factor in why we suffered from pois.

I also found liver (lamb) and blue berries had a therapeutic effect for me.
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« Reply #19344 on: 30/01/2014 01:36:15 »
I would suggest as a minimum you try Magnesium dicitrate , plus riboflavin plus Coenzyme Q10 in order to improve your mitochondrial metabolism.

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« Reply #19345 on: 30/01/2014 03:04:28 »
Hey guys i am new here and i feel like i begin by stating my symptoms and what i have done to combat these symptoms btw i am 19 years old and have dealing with this since i was 14, i dont know how i made it this far. The day after i immediately have a
Severe Headache
depression
No motivation
No interest in the opposite sex (pretty much asexual)
I dont care about anything or anyone barely even myself
Lack confidence, overly self concious, socially awkward and shy
I cant do work efficiently or survive in a social interaction for too long
No real physical pain though other than the fact that i immediately catch a cold.
After about 3-7 days It all goes away and i am the friendliest guy on earth and I am the smartest guy and most talkative person in all of my classes.
I have realized that eating chocolate helps my recovery and being around supportive family members (I havent told anyone)
I am glad to know there are others out there like me if there is any advice please help.
I am right now in day 3 of recovery so please excuse any bad grammar.
Also is there an estimated percentage of people who suffer from this?

I had the exact same symptoms as you do but mine started around 16-17 (I was later with puberty...and Johan I did not hold it in). They faded in intensity as I got older (mid 30s), however they are devastating when you are young and in the prime social & educational era of your life. I found dark chocolate was good in a therapeutic way as well. I crave it, but there is a catch in that if I eat too much I feel worse. I have numerous food intolerances so all I can figure is it is due to something along these lines. It is not something I can eat everyday and also it helps somewhat for pois but is not really any sort of major break through in my opinion. It just helps. It does have a fair bit of saturated fat in it (which has been the topic of discussion recently). It is also high in Copper, Iron, Magnesium, Manganese & Zinc. It may be that you are low in one of these minerals. The user Gbolduev from Russia was a strong advocate of balancing these minerals, and believed imbalances in these (exacerbated by ejaculation & orgasm) were a major factor in why we suffered from pois.

I also found liver (lamb) and blue berries had a therapeutic effect for me.
I am going to try the blue berries. As you may well know this is very difficult to deal with because i cant tell anyone about it. How do i tell someone like my dad or even a doctor every time i ejaculate whether its masturbation or sex that i get these symptoms. Its too embarrassing. This may be the worse disease known to mankind. I am in college right now and everyday is hell during my recovering. Just wondering, does anyone else here feel like you're a super version of yourself once you are fully recovered?

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« Reply #19346 on: 30/01/2014 03:16:27 »
absolutely

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« Reply #19347 on: 30/01/2014 07:06:42 »
WHAT IS POIS?

A discussion point.

Basically, POIS is:
A reaction, sometimes quite severe, that follows orgasm, and in some critical cases, just the thought of orgasm.

There are hundreds of lists of symptoms on this thread.
Most tend to hover around the kind of symptoms you would experience from your brains inability to handle the event.

Our brains can get the wrong messages and act inapropriately in resolving a perceived issue.
Why?

My theory on this, is that in our current environment, or our personal environment we are not getting the nutrients that our brain needs to be

fully functional.

Please keep reading!

Our current environment:
We buy vegetables from our supermarket, vegetables that 100 years ago would have had maybe 40 nutrients in them.
Today?, due to overfarming and sheer demand, we are lucky if those same vegetables have 10% of the nutrients they once had.

Our personal environment:
Our wife/mother/husband/father always goes to the same supermarket, a supermarket that gets produce from the same sources year after year.
So our nutrient intake hardly varies, and certainly doesn't expand sufficiently to provide us with the 90 essential nutrients our bodies need.
Not only that, a similar kind of food is always placed on the table, so where is the variation?

Now, surprisingly, I DO NOT think this causes POIS!!
I think this results in us being prone to other types of medical conditions such as migraine, depression, mild epilepsy and a dozen others.
Now, being prone doesn't mean you are going to get these conditions all the time, or even at all.

Generally, conditions like these are "trigerable" given the right stimulus. (you are poised on the brink-- no joke)
The stimulus may be a food allergy, may be a flashing light, may be excess stress, may be an orgasm.
ORGASM IS ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND (AND USUALLY MOST GRATIFYING) EVENTS THAT WE SUBJECT OUR BODY TO.
So, orgasm stands out as a major trigger posibility.

And what a tragedy that a POIS sufferer has to endure the after effects.

Lets look elsewhere:
We have a headache.
SO we take asprin or ibuprofen.
In case A, the headache is from overwork. The headache diminishes, and next day all is well.
In case B, the headache is from a brain tumor. The headache diminishes, and in 3 months the sufferer is dead.
In case C, the headache is from over indulging the night before. The headache diminishes, but do we learn not to over indulge again?

In all cases we have killed the messenger, not the cause. In case B it was critical.

So, for POIS, where to from here?
We can take the short term view, and find various things we can do just before or just after orgasm that will reduce the effects, just like the

asprin/ibprofen did for the headache.
Or we can take the long term view and try to enhance our brains to be the most efficient and accurate part of our body.
To do this it desperately needs the right nutrients/building blocks.
Lets face it, the rest of our body is running under its control.

My belief (and I have no POIS any more after following this route) is that we have to make sure that adequate saturated fats are available in the

body (the liver helps here), and that our cranial metabolism is just perfect, so that the fats are used for maintenace, and to create new cells.

I have posted more information on the steps to take here:  page #796:       Reply #19897 on: 23/01/2014 21:58:40

What do you think?
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« Reply #19348 on: 30/01/2014 14:43:36 »
gcrisp

You remind me of one person is Hermana)

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« Reply #19349 on: 30/01/2014 14:54:08 »
Without medical research this syndrome we can not win!!
It will last a lifetime.How many people suffering appealed to doctors and all to no avail



Remember I reported about people who have recovered. So they tell me that if you stop drinking minerals symptoms begin anew.
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