Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #19400 on: 10/02/2014 16:01:16 »
Guys,

I am just still posting to try help other people out just for the sake of it. When you want to solve any problem in life you go back to the root cause. Like if a car is making lots of smoke you don't focus on the diretion or thickness of the smoke,,,You just try and determine the root cause. It is a fire? Is it overheating? Is it the oil? Is it a ghost? So i think you got my point,,,Now similarly with regard to POIS don't focus on the symtoms without tracing back the root cause. When it comes to the human body,,,the root cause to all illnesses is mitochondrial failure,,,,,We were all born as a single cell while still in our mothers wounds and then the cell proliferated into mutliple cells. Once the cellular energy is defected everything else gets defected including : Hormones, Nervous system, Immune, ec,,,YOu name it! Because cells are everywhere in the body & mitochondria is the powerhouse of cellular energy! A healthy mitochondria means the body is able to adapt to stress and normalize itself by itself! Follow the regimen I talked about in my very first silly post and you will be cured with God's will,,,,Just add 200mg enzyme Coq10 on a daily basis & limit the amino acids & St john worts to 3 months. The rest you can take for a lifetime. And please this is not a subsititute by any mean to the funding of the reasearch that is ongoing on this forum,,,A complete scientific study would be more than welcome and it wouldn't be fair to undermine all the efforts of the moderators of this forum since 2007,,,,Eventhough I am pretty sure that I personnaly don't need it myself...Nuff said.,,now it's up to you. Good luck.

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« Reply #19401 on: 10/02/2014 18:40:05 »
Hello, went to hospital and talked with a sexuologue, she says that what i am saying is not possible, the only thing which can be explained is my severe back pain …
She said its not possible to get sick after ejaculation,
i explained that if I stop being sexual active for 1 month i don't have any problems at all.. but she says its not possible

what to do now… -.-

got any tips against the anxiety ? thats the main issue i got…

Thanks Lars

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« Reply #19402 on: 10/02/2014 18:49:03 »
Hello Z_two

So I understand your theory about mitochondrial problem . Yes we must focus on the root cause. So whats the root cause behind mitochondrial failure ? how ejaculation is causing mitochondrial failure ? and why only in POISers ? and no mitochondrial failure in normal human beings ? please enlighten me with my queries .

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« Reply #19403 on: 10/02/2014 19:04:48 »
Hello Lars .

The same thing happened to me when I went to physician and explained problem about POIS . He was not ready to believe that ejaculation is causing chronic problems in me (POISers in general ) . But then I successfully made him understand that POIS do exist. What I did is I went with few Papers. They were as follows.

1. POIS wikipedia article
2. cerebral hypoxia wikipedia article
3. my bloodtest reports of ASA
4. written note of psychiatrist saying, I do not suffer from major depression .

The physician was saying that  I am  suffering from depression and that is the cause for my symptoms. The same days I was going to psychiatrist , he is treating me with MDD. I said to Psy that , yes I do suffer from depression after an ejaculation, but then I miraculously recover within a week. So my depression is periodic and not constant . Psy said that then It is not MDD that I am suffering . I asked him to get that to me in written . He gave me the note.

I gave it to Physician. I said to him that cerebral hypoxia is the cause of depression, which is caused by vasoconstriction , triggered by ejaculation . I explained Him SSBT and Showed him my Bloodtest report about ASA . He was then convinced about POIS-SSBT ,and he said that what I am saying is possible. Yay !! Finally he is convinced now .

You can try the same . If you find difficulties , ill give you my contact , we will discuss and sort it out.

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« Reply #19404 on: 10/02/2014 19:23:33 »
Dear Mrvat7,

That sounds good, but it is a hospital which is the best in Holland.. and they say they heard about it but they don't think it has to do something with ejaculation.
What blood test is it you talk about, it is a  o2 test in brain? or is it focused on Cholesterol, which is also something think may be the problem.
An extra problem is that i study medicine, and they think it is a self induced problem…
I will talk with the sexuologue next week and ill bring some prove that i am not the only one…

Lars

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« Reply #19405 on: 10/02/2014 19:51:35 »
Lars,

the ASA test - Antisperm Antibody test is the test to detect presence of antisperm antibodies in the body . I was tested as Positive .  My bloodtest report ware 61U/ml  before an ejaculation and 53 U/ml after an ejaculation . ( for your future referance ) . Notice that antibody count decreased after the ejaculation  .

I find it funny when doctors say that there's some problem with the brain . You know what , I was said the same, that my excessive knowledge on human anatomy is the cause of my problem . I laughed at that moment .

There is no problem in the brain . If it were so then why do we POISers recover within a week . Cognitive problems should persist if there was some problem in the brain . Truth is we POISers recover within a week , so there is no problem in the brain . there is some problem in the body itself.

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« Reply #19406 on: 10/02/2014 21:37:20 »
Thanks MrVat7,
i sometimes find it difficult, especially when they say its something psychological, and I'm really sure it is not.
If you are OK with it, can i have your email or something? so we can discuss some things.
Thanks
Lars

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« Reply #19407 on: 10/02/2014 22:09:03 »
Check your inbox lars . Ive sent something .

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19408 on: 11/02/2014 07:44:38 »
Hello Z_two

So I understand your theory about mitochondrial problem . Yes we must focus on the root cause. So whats the root cause behind mitochondrial failure ? how ejaculation is causing mitochondrial failure ? and why only in POISers ? and no mitochondrial failure in normal human beings ? please enlighten me with my queries .

Mitochondrial failure could affect anyone who's metabolism is burned out & therefore can't produce enough ATP or energy if you will,,,,But some have it so severe that once they orgasm they are unable to recuperate to their normal levels energy quickly like a healthy person.......thus taking days or weeks to recover after orgasm and accompagnied by bizzare symptoms ---> Those are called POISers

Now you asked an interesting question " what is the root cause of mitochondrial faiure" --> Answer:  Poor lifestyle, toxins, excessive sexual activity, weak genetics, DNA mutations, burned out metabolism and anything that could negatively influence the human healthy metabolosim and thus considerably decreasing performance + decreasing adaptation to stress + decreasing energy levels.

Many of us could orgasm several times a week without symptoms at all during early life. Now that we have lost the energy buffer we get turned into zombies from the first shot! Why? Because our cellular mitochondrias are no longer able to cope!---> And that's what we call mitochondrial failure. And after orgasm; the act throws the whole hormonal  and/or immune system into imbalance where the symptoms become completely UFO to conventional doctors. And that's why there is so much confusion among the 800 pages of this forum since 2007!

Hope it's clearer now.



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« Reply #19409 on: 11/02/2014 08:04:48 »
Z_Two
You could also point out that I no longer suffer from POIS by simply substantially changing my food input and food additives.
no doubt this has improved my mito situation enormously, along with pacifying any other chemistry imbalances I might have had.
Talking on deaf ears I'm afraid
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« Reply #19410 on: 11/02/2014 08:40:21 »
Z_Two
You could also point out that I no longer suffer from POIS by simply substantially changing my food input and food additives.
no doubt this has improved my mito situation enormously, along with pacifying any other chemistry imbalances I might have had.
Talking on deaf ears I'm afraid
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I hear you G,,,just hope that the deaf doesn't turn blind.

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« Reply #19411 on: 11/02/2014 11:58:04 »
Z_two

Oh both of you lol !! well POISers here have Taken vitamins , minerals , what not change in diet have people here not tried. After all Pois attacks back everytime . The thing is many times individuals confuse them to have been suffering from POIS. one might be suffering from vitamin deficiency and feel like symptoms of POis . After having ejaculation ,  body gets deprived of vitamin and feels like POis . So for such people taking diet rich in minerals and nutrients help in solving Pois . That is Not called Pois. I understand what you are saying about mitochondria, the thing is mitochondria uses vitamins to catalyze energy production . So your theory is correct If you had nutrients deficiency . Again I would Say , That is Not POIS . Inspite of trying all change in diet , sexual activity , medicines, we POISers do not get cure from POIS. POISers have been suffering since years and not cured .

You need to understand that you do not have POIS . Ask to a real POISer how it feels like . I am sure you might not be feeling the same .

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« Reply #19412 on: 11/02/2014 12:39:07 »
Z_two

Oh both of you lol !! well POISers here have Taken vitamins , minerals , what not change in diet have people here not tried. After all Pois attacks back everytime . The thing is many times individuals confuse them to have been suffering from POIS. one might be suffering from vitamin deficiency and feel like symptoms of POis . After having ejaculation ,  body gets deprived of vitamin and feels like POis . So for such people taking diet rich in minerals and nutrients help in solving Pois . That is Not called Pois. I understand what you are saying about mitochondria, the thing is mitochondria uses vitamins to catalyze energy production . So your theory is correct If you had nutrients deficiency . Again I would Say , That is Not POIS . Inspite of trying all change in diet , sexual activity , medicines, we POISers do not get cure from POIS. POISers have been suffering since years and not cured .

You need to understand that you do not have POIS . Ask to a real POISer how it feels like . I am sure you might not be feeling the same .

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MrVat7

MrVat yes I understand.  Now do everybody a favor here :   Try to locate any wall around you that is far enough then run as fast as you can towards that wall.  Then once very close to the wall slam your head as hard as you can to this very same wall. Then come back and tell us how you feel then we'll determine wether you are a POIS sufferer or not. But my wish is that you get relieved completely from any pain during the process & even loose consciouscness for an eternity!  Now please run away from us!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19413 on: 11/02/2014 15:31:07 »
I believe that non of the real poisers have been cured..

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19414 on: 11/02/2014 18:57:53 »
I believe I can fly...
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« Reply #19415 on: 11/02/2014 20:01:01 »
I believe that non of the real poisers have been cured..

I agree

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« Reply #19416 on: 14/02/2014 15:08:43 »
Maybe we should write a letter to all group of U.S. health care? Maybe then they will pay attention to us?I think it's silly to sit on the forum just to spend time in an empty
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« Reply #19417 on: 14/02/2014 15:48:46 »
Rhodiola is a very powerful herb...it boosts DHEA and lowers cortisol....It belongs to the adaptogens family,,,Would be great is someone on this forum can try it and give his feedback; I did and felt short term improvments before being cured....It's availabe at GNC stores. Thank you.
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« Reply #19418 on: 14/02/2014 20:52:25 »
Some of us may have adrenal fatigue and have LOW cortisol.In this case Rodiola is not the best option

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« Reply #19419 on: 15/02/2014 03:53:43 »
I think Z_two is Gbolduev. What do you think, Gondal4?
As for Gcrisp, I reckon that might be Gbolduev too.
Anyway, I would like to say that my bowel health/function is inextricably linked to my brain fog & joint pain.
O'ing will give me loose stools & bloating.
If I eat anything a bit dodgy & it upsets my stomach, i can go from heavenly bliss to brutal POIS-like symptoms in an hour & it can last for days. It can also cause (what feels like) inflamed prostate, the same way an O will.
Excessive sugar will kill me also.
So which is causing which?
The interweb tells me that one camp believes cleansing bowels improves metal health, & the other camp claims that improving metal health improves bowel health.
Can anyone shed some light on this dichotomy?


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« Reply #19420 on: 15/02/2014 11:51:20 »
Some of us may have adrenal fatigue and have LOW cortisol.In this case Rodiola is not the best option

Rhodiola will not lower your cortisol if it is already low,,it will only lower it if excessively high. Herbs work in synergy and harmony unlike chemical drugs.

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« Reply #19421 on: 16/02/2014 00:07:10 »
... Herbs work in synergy and harmony unlike chemical drugs.

What are the biologically-active ingredients in herbs if not "chemical" ? , magical ?
[ Just because a chemical occurs in nature does not necessarily mean it is benign e.g. ]

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« Reply #19422 on: 16/02/2014 15:00:48 »
Some of us may have adrenal fatigue and have LOW cortisol.In this case Rodiola is not the best option

Rhodiola will not lower your cortisol if it is already low,,it will only lower it if excessively high. Herbs work in synergy and harmony unlike chemical drugs.


good to know

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« Reply #19423 on: 16/02/2014 15:34:11 »
i think pois is all about low testosterone,normally testosterone peaks on the seventh day of abstinence and that is why we poisers feel better after a week.low testosterone is a medical condition which is very difficult to cure.it can be improved by supplements and some treatment but difficult to cure.some people dont witness fatigue after sex they are normal,some people are over horny than the normal people they are blessed.i think we should accept whats in our destiny and not stop trying to improve.anyways we can always try abstinence which is our only way out.

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« Reply #19424 on: 17/02/2014 03:42:38 »

i think pois is all about low testosterone...


TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) cured my severe, 30+ years' POIS: 90%.

But there are fertility risks with this treatment.

Just an FYI [:)]




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« Reply #19425 on: 18/02/2014 10:54:06 »
Demografx, did you take testosterone for some time and then quitted or do you have to take forever?

In other words, after taking testosterone for some time, are you cured forever or it's like glasses (you must wear them all your life to see)?

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« Reply #19426 on: 19/02/2014 17:08:21 »
Hello, went to hospital and talked with a sexuologue, she says that what i am saying is not possible, the only thing which can be explained is my severe back pain …
She said its not possible to get sick after ejaculation,
i explained that if I stop being sexual active for 1 month i don't have any problems at all.. but she says its not possible

what to do now… -.-

got any tips against the anxiety ? thats the main issue i got…

Thanks Lars

I feel for you Lars.

I was made a fool of when i made complaints about my problems.. Amazing that doctors can have such bad attitude towards investigating interesting symptoms.

Today, abstinence works. It will help you. Dont pay attention to society pushing for sexual stimulation every day. Relax and let the scientists solve this issue.

There are some things you can do meanwhile. Ask doctors to spread the word about POIS so that maybe someone will find it interesting enough to carry out research about.
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« Reply #19427 on: 20/02/2014 01:07:53 »
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Demografx, did you take testosterone for some time and then quitted or do you have to take forever?

In other words, after taking testosterone for some time, are you cured forever or it's like glasses (you must wear them all your life to see)?

Like glasses...

For those of you interested in my TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) for POIS:

My recent (Feb 7) testosterone readings...with a remark of "good!" by my doctor --
   
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Testosterone, Total         436            250 - 1100 ng/dL

Testosterone, Free          75.5           35.0 - 155.0 pg/mL


I take Androderm 8mg/day (2 T-patches), 365 days/year...for several years now.

If you're interested, check infertility risks with your doctor. My sperm count went to zero, possibly due to this treatment. But I have children already, so it's ok (for me).


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« Reply #19428 on: 22/02/2014 11:42:18 »
no ejaculation for a long time, think it was some weeks at least.
had one mild this morning... instantly took 250 mg niacin and one loratadin...

10 minutes in I felt as if the room temperature dropped with 10 Celsius.
congested in nose
trouble breathing
tried some mild exercise, had some effect, got me warmer but nose congestion still there, and trouble breathing. it did improve circulation in body, which is good.

no trouble with eyes yet, often does come as first symptom.

trouble breathing could be side effect of loratadin.

will keep posting.

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« Reply #19429 on: 22/02/2014 11:50:37 »
I will be presenting on my experience with POIS at the Stanford School of Medicine on February 6th as part of the "Engage and Empower Course" on patient engage.  Feel free to check out the live stream.

could you link to recording of this

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« Reply #19430 on: 23/02/2014 13:56:02 »
Loratadin allergy pill and niacin worked quite well.

Quite few symptoms 24 hours into.

Still some poor breathing, but overall OK.

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« Reply #19431 on: 23/02/2014 16:17:10 »
Loratadin allergy pill and niacin worked quite well.

Quite few symptoms 24 hours into.

Still some poor breathing, but overall OK.

which one did you use first and how long did you wait before using the other.

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« Reply #19432 on: 24/02/2014 08:22:05 »
What's the best thing you guys have used to alleviate symtoms? I'm new btw and know little but sadly I'm 100% sure I have POIS.

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« Reply #19433 on: 24/02/2014 16:15:31 »
Handed over analyzes on of testosterone. After ejaculation of testosterone instantly falls. In laboratory experiments . That's why many people do not hunt again to get an orgasm.
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« Reply #19434 on: 24/02/2014 16:25:32 »
I think the answer is almost close to unraveling this syndrome. Hopefully soon will help us all Professor Komisaruk.

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« Reply #19435 on: 24/02/2014 21:17:57 »
About 2 days in now and very few symptoms.

I think that the symptoms are very much less if one has a long break between ejaculations.
What does that mean? Someone enlighten me.

It seems the allergy pill had some effects but mostly niacin, good food and very mild exercise to get the body pumping. Maybe its not good to sleep after sex?

Took niacin and loratadin at same time, 5 min after ejaculation.

I would say its really fun not to have become as sick as usual, even though i have been outside in cold weather.

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« Reply #19436 on: 26/02/2014 22:58:06 »
Hi guys, this is my first time here. I'm 20 years old and I've been dealing with POIS for about 3 years. My question is this - does anybody have any means of, pardon the crude topic, desensitizing themselves so they can perform sexually? Any way to be able to have sex without climax.

It's been an worry for me that if I get into a relationship I wouldn't be able to fulfill that part of it and I would hate for that to get in the way.

Thanks!

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« Reply #19437 on: 27/02/2014 15:11:02 »
Hi guys, this is my first time here. I'm 20 years old and I've been dealing with POIS for about 3 years. My question is this - does anybody have any means of, pardon the crude topic, desensitizing themselves so they can perform sexually? Any way to be able to have sex without climax.

It's been an worry for me that if I get into a relationship I wouldn't be able to fulfill that part of it and I would hate for that to get in the way.

Thanks!


You can use a spray with lidocaine.It is used to overcome premature ejaculation but if you take the right amont of it you will not have climax.

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« Reply #19438 on: 01/03/2014 02:24:01 »
Hello everyone
I am new to this forum.i am a member of poiscenter.com forum. I have POIS.
My thyroid results were normal but I have this constant brain fog even not during POIS.I read in many websites that people who have normal thyroid values but have brain fog were benefited by taking t3. I am going to try t3 even though I dont get it in my country.
I wanted to ask if anyone had success with t3

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« Reply #19439 on: 01/03/2014 06:29:54 »
hi everybody,
impressive great work here...i'm new to this forum.

would someone kindly summarise the probable ways to alleviate depression or quicken depression recovery after orgasm for woman?

thanks for your support

sincerely

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« Reply #19440 on: 01/03/2014 11:15:31 »
i get these eruptions all over my body small acne kind of till the 7 days after that i feel better no eruptions, things start getting better.vitamin d helps,i take 1000 iu everyday sometimes 400 iu.eruptions means there is definately imflamation and vit d definately helps.pls try vit d3.i think imfalamtion is the reason for the brain fog also.
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« Reply #19441 on: 01/03/2014 17:25:16 »
I have been suffering from this since I was 23 - great to finally find this forum.

During the worst times I had Parkinson's like symptoms (muscle twitches and shaking), severe depression and premature ejaculation.

One thing I have found that helps considerably is to take Omega 3, preferably fish based, the best quality you can find. I take 2 double potency capsules daily. When I stop, the symptoms are about 5x worse. I also find that exercise helps. Sex is also definitely preferable to masturbation, and if you are going to masturbate do so to an intense orgasm. This completely solved my PE and makes this condition manageable - although I still hate it.

I tried to take velvet bean supplements for a while because of their effect on the dopamine system but they made me totally hypersexed.

I find that when I am in the grips of this eating sugary things and caffeine also help.

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« Reply #19442 on: 01/03/2014 20:32:03 »
Hello everyone. It has been some time. I hope everyone is hanging in there. I have a question for everyone.

I usually orgasm once every few months before bed only because too much energy builds up inside me and I feel restless. I have been taking niacin before orgasm and spirulina, vitamin c, zinc, and amino acids right after orgasm. This worked for a while and improved my symptoms but recently it has given me strange feelings. After I take these things recently I am up halfway through the night with head discomfort, and i cannot breath easy or relax. A lot of moving and head tingling/pressure that is horrible. It slowly subsides after a few hours and disappears after a couple of days.

I'm wondering in any of your opinions does it make sense to think that all those proteins and amino acids right after orgasm are affecting my brain? Maybe its too much for myself to handle and my body is trying to keep up with it. I feel burned out after. Anyone else have experiences like this?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19443 on: 01/03/2014 23:48:27 »
Greetings, all!

19, male.

You guys have no idea how relieved I am to find a group of people who seem to be dealing with the exact same issues I am. Of course, I'm also discouraged and fearful that there really isn't any answers to our problem quite yet.

I've spent the last couple hours reading as much as I could from this thread, looking for any ideas or suggestions for dealing with and fixing this problem. It still sounds like it's all kind of up in the air, however. If anyone could direct me to some pages from this forum with beneficial material such as coping with this issue, I would appreciate it.

Also, after reading all of your posts, I've noticed that I've experienced some rather unique symptoms. The shakiness, fatigue, and general drowsiness all do indeed occur directly after orgasm, and seem to last for the standard 3-4 days. However, I tend to have one big attack exactly 24 hours after orgasm. I can feel it coming, (usually due to anxiety, which I struggle with quite a bit) and I lay down in order to brace myself. It originates in the back of my head, right where my neck meets my spine, and it jolts my entire body. My muscles all tense up, and they feel as if they fill up with adrenaline. Everything shakes. I get extremely cold and clammy - my chest and arms especially. Absolute terror of death and of the unknown take over completely. I find it helps to rub my thighs with my hands vigorously (in order to get the blood moving?). These attacks last for about 5 minutes, but it happens multiple times during the one night. After I wake up the next morning, I'm back to that basic fatigue/drowsiness state, but it's a hell of a lot better, and it goes away within a day or two.

Has anyone on here posted any similar response to POIS?

So far, the only way I've found to fix these symptoms is to avoid all sexual activity completely. But I mean, come on. Who wants that?! ;)

Thanks for your time, poisers.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19444 on: 02/03/2014 12:43:01 »


I usually orgasm once every few months before bed only because too much energy builds up inside me and I feel restless. I have been taking niacin before orgasm and spirulina, vitamin c, zinc, and amino acids right after orgasm.

Try Omega 3 capsules. 2 of them 2 hours before, then 2 immediately after. Also get a magnesium supplement, preferably oil that you rub into your skin.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19445 on: 04/03/2014 02:30:10 »
no ejaculation for a long time, think it was some weeks at least.
had one mild this morning... instantly took 250 mg niacin and one loratadin...

10 minutes in I felt as if the room temperature dropped with 10 Celsius.
congested in nose
trouble breathing
tried some mild exercise, had some effect, got me warmer but nose congestion still there, and trouble breathing. it did improve circulation in body, which is good.

no trouble with eyes yet, often does come as first symptom.

trouble breathing could be side effect of loratadin.

will keep posting.

Johan - it sounds like you are taking the nicain just after having an O. The majority of the advocates of niacin take it say about 30-20 mins before an O. They take the  flush type niacin and also it works more effectively on an empty stomach. I have tried it and it works somewhat for me but not a total cure alas. the more often you take the flush version the less you will have the beetroot face when you do, which is what put me off it for a while in terms of walking back into the room to have some fun with the woman sporting the bad sunburn look.


B-Jim - have you tried progesterone?  I had a feeling a couple did here and one had good outcome but the other didn't. I guess it depends on where you live but there are some OTC versions of progesterone creme I thought. It needs a doctor script where I live so its not so straight forward to give it a try. I ran it past my GP but he wouldn't let me try it.


dekoichi -desensitizing. You could get yourself a small tube of tattoo desensitizing lotion and give it a try (test it before you go on your date though so you know how much to get the right balance between getting a good erection and not cumming easily). It has the same active ingredient in it that some of the 'last longer' sprays have that get sold in sex/erotica shops. You could also try those, just that the tattoo numbing version is cheap.


Lars - no shock on getting treated as a weirdo by the hospital (main stream) doctors. You asked about dealing with anxiety. Here is a thread that might interest you. http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/completely-eliminated-my-severe-anxiety-symptoms-with-three-supplements.18369/.
I had to deal with periods of high anxiety when I was younger. I took lots of calcium, magnesium, calming herbs, trytophan, honey, cut down on meat + wheat, took rescue remedy drops, got plenty of sleep + went to sleep listening to relaxation/confidence hypnotism CDs and of course less ejaculation. Less anxiety after 5 weeks but also less mentally sharp too.


sebastiano - I am on TRT. Yes when you go on it it is generally for life, so it needs to be considered carefully though most guys if they feel crappy due to low T will take that chance. There are drugs out there to boost T but most doctors don't know about them or want to know about them because it is not conventional. Body Builders & athletes, take them as part of their post cycle treatment. Lots of body builders & wrestlers who were total juice monkeys have gone on to have kids when they quit or had breaks from the steroids. you would have a hard time finding a doctor who knows his stuff on this. I have read cases of guys who have kallmanns-syndrome (stunted puberty) having hard time finding endos who will think outside the box when it comes to treatment/fertility.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19446 on: 04/03/2014 10:17:28 »
It has been interesting reading the comments about testosterone. I was brought up vegetarian and fed loads of soya meat-substitutes by a well-meaning mother, which I think is partly responsible for my condition, because soya increases estrogen levels.

I have scheduled a visit with an endocrinologist in 2 weeks and am going to have my T levels tested. If need be I will then go onto testosterone supplements. I will also move onto a full nutrition supplement.

I have suffered from this f^%king disorder for 18 years now, and have achieved nothing more than symptom reduction and management, so if it works for me hopefully will work for others. Will keep you posted.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19447 on: 05/03/2014 04:48:20 »
[Former Moderator visiting periodically]

I think the answer is almost close to unraveling this syndrome. Hopefully soon will help us all Professor Komisaruk.

I agree! [:)]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19448 on: 09/03/2014 14:39:38 »
I finally found a doctor who knows stuff about this. He said i suffer from POIS, but he need more money before he can continue his research. The problem is 50k…. i cannot believe that 50k stops the whole research, ill meet him again this thursday and ask for more information about his research, will post it here.
The strange thing is that since 2 months my symptoms has changed, i normally got severe back pain and dizziness in my head, i now just suffer from anxiety and depression..
Does those niacine help for these symptoms too?
The doctor said that taking vitamin b3 helps, so ill try that too

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19449 on: 09/03/2014 16:30:39 »
Did you meet Dr. Marcel Waldinger?