Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #19550 on: 24/05/2014 14:55:22 »
Hey Lars,

I noticed that already and i believe serotonin is involved in POIS ; i've taken SSRI for two years with at first a total suppression of my symptoms.

That being said, I dont' think that the mechanism is that simple ; the niacin you ingest to produce serotonin after 30 minutes, it should have to inhibitory/protective effect somehow.

My experience with niacin has never been conclusive but I need to give other tentatives ; 5HTP helped me.


Dear Lapoisse,

Niancine does more than just make seratonine, it reduces the effect of inflammation, which reduce the allergic reaction. This might be the protective effect of niacin.
Ill try 5htp for a while.
Thanks for sharing your experience.

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« Reply #19551 on: 28/05/2014 11:00:57 »
hi , anybody knows the mechanism of being POIS with  kind of hypersensitivity reactions to caffiene and grains (hypersensitivity that disturb the whole day not just for hour and then it is relieved Okay ! ;)  ) , i really dont understand how this evolved it is a rare disorder that i cant understand.Any thing that i eat which release dopamine am sensitive to it , i think there is a defect which is related to the three of them ,, or if the defect in the immune sysytem then why am sensitive to all of these , note that i dont have any other manifestation of sensitivity except nervous maifestation  i dont have any kind of skin rash or anaphylaxis to any of them i just feel depressed and anxious after ingestion of caffiene , all grains except rice and then come the pois  which is not ingested  [>:(] ,, any ideas guys ? , or any one have the same manifestations ? if some one has the same plz i to talk to him regarding this . cause never heard about person who have POIS and caffiene sensitivity at the same time !!   any person who has nervous sensitivity to stimulants or grain plz contact me privately or post a commet  :)
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« Reply #19552 on: 28/05/2014 16:43:33 »
New symptom since last 7 months ejaculation never stops after orgasm untill i urinate

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« Reply #19553 on: 01/06/2014 16:38:06 »
Poisers may have a sudden fall in dopamine after an orgasm...symptoms says.

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« Reply #19554 on: 06/06/2014 10:51:07 »
A-Memo - I have terrible problems with caffeine. If I drink a regular ground coffee I very quickly develop seriously heightened anxiety - bordering on panic. This can last for hours - once I come down I feel absolutely exhausted - I will be anxious and trembling for rest of the day. I have had pois symptoms for over 30 years now. I manage it as best as I can. I developed anxiety problems when about 19 whilst suffering terrible insomnia. This just made me feel so ill. Any stimulants - coffee, alcohol, cigarettes all had an amplified effect on me. I was ok before my sleeping troubles. Then my trouble started and BAM - all over the place. Pois started during this period. It seems obvious to me that my body is all messed up - anxiety being caused by wayward body chemistry, intolerance of any stimulants which cause hugely exaggerated effects - I can avoid the obvious stimulants but avoiding orgasm is a bit of a tall order. I really do think that pois is a bodyshock to a weakened and perpetually over stimulated nervous system. Body just cannot cope and goes haywire. I believe that if I could unwind my anxiety that my pois would too subside - but that is easier said than done. Anxiety is a compounding condition for me - worry creates worry. I get anxious about feeling anxious. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It becomes part of your make-up - I live in a constant state of exhaustion, but I am honest with myself. I have tried many of the suggestions on here. They do not work for me as they do not treat the core problem. Having said this I am in a relationship, have a daughter, run a business - it takes determination but it is all do-able. As I have aged my pois symptoms are lasting longer - going from a very bad hit for a day or two, to less intrusive symptoms that now last over several days - usually 7 to 10. Thing is having more orgasms during pois does not make it worse.

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« Reply #19555 on: 06/06/2014 11:38:52 »
Thanks Man , ur description of your state and condition is so comprhensive , it seems like there is a combination of congenital factors , hormone receptors secretions etc...  and as u said an enviromental factor which is the surrounding atmosphere of anxiety and stress ,, and the things that exaggerate the conditions are the stimulants , now i cant consume caffiene any more i get anxiety and pooor sleep and am sure it is a kind of hypersensitivity reaction cause when i avoid those stimulants i feel better some how but again the main core process of the illness is still unfixed, i still support the theory of allergy cause stressful situations can disturb your immunity ,, thanks U
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« Reply #19556 on: 06/06/2014 12:20:29 »
I have to view the orgasm and the chemical mechanism that drives it as another unwanted stimulus to an exhausted system. Problem is it is part of me and not something I can walk away from like coffee or booze.

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« Reply #19557 on: 10/06/2014 00:06:39 »
Poisers may have a sudden fall in dopamine after an orgasm...symptoms says.

Everyone gets a sudden decrease in dopamine thanks to the temporal increase in prolactin after ejaculation. When you really think about it, hyperprolactemia could in theory cause similar symptoms to POIS

Talking about prolactin, I managed to reduce it from 11.66 ng/mL to 4.03 ng/mL and I have experienced progress because  of this.I could say I am almost cured, there are still things I must do like updated thyroid bloodwork and see it that was fixed and some  insomnia  I get if I ejaculate at night which I can't explain yet, better than POIS but still...
 
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« Reply #19558 on: 10/06/2014 09:23:36 »
Do any of you guys here do adrenaline intensive stuff, like riding dirt bike or skydiving??

Could doing adrenaline intensive stuff maybe be the solution???

What do you think guys?

ps keep posting and help each other.

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« Reply #19559 on: 10/06/2014 09:31:57 »
I developed anxiety problems when about 19 whilst suffering terrible insomnia. This just made me feel so ill. Any stimulants - coffee, alcohol, cigarettes all had an amplified effect on me. I was ok before my sleeping troubles. Then my trouble started and BAM - all over the place.

I actually do think pois came first for you, then insomnia.

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« Reply #19560 on: 11/06/2014 01:12:36 »
You're right!!

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« Reply #19561 on: 13/06/2014 20:45:09 »
I'm convinced that POIS is one of many manifestations of mercury poisoning. Before you call me paranoid, give this a chance and make your own investigation.
 
I had POIS since I remember. Through my teens I had some other minor symptoms, but generally concidered myself healthy. We get slowly worse and don't recognize a problem until it's too late. I've been coming across the idea of mercury being a problem many times and always disregard it as a conspiracy theory.

Two years ago my health became terrible. Insomnia, terrible gut issues, candida, loss of weight, panic attacks. I felt like something attacked my nervous system. I thought I was dying. At that time I wished to go back to times when my biggest problem was POIS. Going through hell forced me to go deep looking for answers. 2 years of everyday investigation - reading forums, books, visiting doctors, medical tests, trying different paths, numerous supplements and analyzing reactions - all led me back to mercury.

Main reason why mercury poisoning is not recognized by western medicine, are the unique characteristics of this heavy metal:
1) It goes to your body much easier than leaves it - it can stay for years if not detoxed
2) It doesn't stay in blood, but go straight to tissues hence blood tests are useless
3) It has strong affinity with brain causing brain diseases and behavioral problems (google "Mad Hatter Disease")
4) Liver, gut and kidneys are many times affected as a major detox pathway
5) Even with high exposure symptoms don't show up immediately but gradually, sometimes after months
6) It's not about how much mercury you excrete (it show up in hair test or urine test) but how much you retain - people suffering are those who cannot excrete hence showing very little mercury in hair test but all other essential metals out of whack
7) There's no safe level of mercury - it's toxic in most elementar state
8) It's second most toxic metal on earth
9) Getting rid of mercury is a long process of chelation most likely taking 1-3 years
10) Mercury pass the placenta during pregnancy and acumulate in unborn baby

Major source of exposure:
-dental amalgam fillings (in your mother's mouth during pregnancy is enough)
-vaccines (mercury compound Thiomersal)
-seafood (tuna, shark, other big fishes)

For more info I recommend watching on youtube: dr Boyd Haley, dr David Geier, Minamata Disease, Acrodynia, Mercury Exposure channel, Trace Amounts trailer

After getting familiar with the topic I recommend reading Frequent Dose Chelation group where people were reporting problems after having orgasm as one among many symptoms of mercury toxicity

I'm far from being healthy today, but made big progress with supplement program slowly replenishing mineral deficiencies caused by mercury and bringing my body to balance. I started frequent dose chelation 6 months ago and it was a breakthrough for me. Redistribution symptoms which are part of the process, feel exactly the same as post orgasmic downfall which led me to believe that orgasm is connected with redistributing mercury in the body.

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« Reply #19562 on: 13/06/2014 21:42:54 »
I'm convinced that POIS is one of many manifestations of mercury poisoning.

I have gave a urine sample to determine the toxic metals. I have mercury levels in 26 times higher than normal in Germany. The doctor surprised me - said it was not a big defeat mercury, and it can not be the cause of "pois"

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« Reply #19563 on: 13/06/2014 22:25:07 »
I'm not a doctor and I understand you have full trust in what your doctor told you...

I've been through hell, made my investigation and only thing I'm encouraging is to do the same. Think for yourself and think about all the symptoms you had in your life besides POIS. Even minor ones. You may be suprised with your findings. As was I....

If you're from Germany I recommend to watch on youtube: Detoxing Fundamentals - Klinghardt(1998)

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« Reply #19564 on: 14/06/2014 08:28:21 »
I got sick just after doing vaccine for Africa ; (yellow fever, B hepatitis) ; just found out they contain mercury.

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« Reply #19565 on: 14/06/2014 21:03:37 »
I'm not a doctor and I understand you have full trust in what your doctor told you...

I've been through hell, made my investigation and only thing I'm encouraging is to do the same. Think for yourself and think about all the symptoms you had in your life besides POIS. Even minor ones. You may be suprised with your findings. As was I....

If you're from Germany I recommend to watch on youtube: Detoxing Fundamentals - Klinghardt(1998)
I am from Russia.
What do you recomended to be free from mercury?

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« Reply #19566 on: 14/06/2014 21:20:15 »
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I got sick just after doing vaccine for Africa ; (yellow fever, B hepatitis) ; just found out they contain mercury.

That's a clear connection.

First person that directed me towards mercury was also poisoned by B hepatitis vaccine. He didn't connect the dots initialy cause nobody ever suspects the vaccine. Only after his wife took the same vaccine later, he realized what's going on. She became extremely emotional and started having some weird behavioral problems. They didn't have POIS but a lot of symptoms similar to mine and many more other problems.

Mercury poisoning is not what we usually think of when we say "poisoning". It's an element, so it disturbs elemental balance. Fundaments of our system. What we're made of on the lowest level. Hormones and neurotrasmitters are dependent on that balance. That's why mercury can create such mess in your body resulting in multiple symptoms which are hard to get rid of, unless you take care of a real cause.


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« Reply #19567 on: 14/06/2014 22:44:48 »
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I am from Russia.
What do you recomended to be free from mercury?

Most important factor in detoxing mercury is increasing intracelullar glutathione - antioxidant that binds mercury and take it out of body. Taking glutathione orally doesn't work cause it doesn't reach the tissues. That's why you need to take chelators that increase glutathione in the cells, bind mercury deep in tissues and bring it to kidneys and liver for excretion. There are two main protocols that people use:

1) Andy Cutler's frequent dose chelation protocol
Cutler recommends 3 chelators: DMPS, DMSA, ALA. First two clean blood extracellulary. ALA is the only one that crosses blood-brain barrier and takes mercury out of brain. ALA is supossed to be vital for getting healthy. DMSA and DMPS is not, but it's really important not to take ALA if your last exposure to mercury (vaccine, amalgam removal, eating poisoned fish) was later than 6 months ago. It can create terrible redistribution symptoms. It's also very important not to chelate while having amalgams in mouth. It has to be removed in safe way by mercury-aware dentist.
Basic protocol is ALA+DMSA low dose every 3 hours for 3 days (at night also) and then 3 days off with supplementing high dose minerals (zinc,magnesium,selenium etc.). If your last exposure was later than 6 months you can start taking only DMSA in the same way to clean mercury extracelullary.
Big part of this protocol is hair mineral analysis. Cutler created counting rules that determine probability of having mercury in tissues.
Very often mercury poisoned people (including me) have low selenium and high aluminum in hair.
If you already have high mercury in urine, that's good news cause you're already excreting it through kidneys. Based on what I've read you should also see it in your hair test

2) Dietrich Klinghardt's protocol
Based on natural chelators - cilantro and chlorella. Both are supposed to be very good in binding mercury but there are different views on whether they can reach the blood-brain barrier.

Personally I tried chlorella, DMSA and ALA. I had biggest progress with DMSA. I only introduced ALA recently so too early to tell. Hair tests were also essential in my progress. When getting rid of mercury you need to replace it with good minerals. Some people believe that you can get rid of mercury with mineral supplementation alone, but it probably takes longer. As I wrote before, even with chelators most success stories involve 1-3 years of chelation. During this time you can get worse before you get better and there are periods of no improvement. That's why many stop and think it's not mercury.

I'm convinced that mercury is the problem. I'm not convinced that in my case I can get rid of it totally, but I keep chelating and tolerate higher doses over time, so it gives me hope.

I recommend A LOT of reading on protocols and watching youtube videos on this topic. Cutler wrote a book called "Amalgam Illness". Frequent Dose Chelation group is also a big source of information .



 

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« Reply #19568 on: 15/06/2014 01:29:13 »
... amalgams in mouth. It has to be removed in safe way by mercury-aware dentist.

I'm convinced that mercury is the problem.

Most adults have amalgam fillings , if you are correct why aren't most adults ill ?

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Hair tests were also essential in my progress.

Re: hair-analysis see ... http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
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« Reply #19569 on: 15/06/2014 10:59:12 »
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Most adults have amalgam fillings , if you are correct why aren't most adults ill ?

Ok. Let me try to explain. Once again, it comes down to the unique characteristics of mercury, which are proven scientifically by the way. It's an element. It's NOT like a substance, alcohol or whatever. It goes inside your body and it almost never leaves. It accumulates through generations as it is passed through placenta to a baby.

If you put amalgam in a mouth of the person, whose family didn't have much exposure to mercury, he can have no visible symptoms all life. His children may be harmed though. It also depends on other factors - how well amalgam was placed, what other exposures person may had not only to mercury but less toxic metals like aluminum. Aluminum by itself is easily detoxed, but mercury likes to bind to it and inhibits its excretion causing horrible combination.

Another important thing: mercury has strong affinity with the brain. Before amalgams were placed on a regular basis and vaccines injected (beginning of the century) there weren't so many brain diseases. There were other problems, but not like these you see today. When mercury goes to brain, the most often result are changes in the behaviour (watch on youtube and read on Wikipedia: "Mad Hatter Disease"). These changes are usually accepted in society as part of your character or upbringing. At best you're directed to the psychiatrist. Nobody will consider that you're physically ill.

My mother is a great example. She had amalgams all her life and suffers from unexplained depression. She didn't have any trauma or family problems. She thinks: "It's just the way I am". She also has a flu every two months, but it's accepted nowadays as nothing unusual. So outisde everyone consider her a healthy person but in reality she's far from it.

And then there's me. Due to my mother's amalgams I was born prematurely and underweight. I had some minor problems all my life but I went through school, did sports, had friends, got a job and everyone thinks I'm perfectly healthy. Now I can't eat most of the things, have problems with sleep, POIS and many other things. There were signs of it in my childhood, but I was considered healthy so no worries, right?

Still today, people look at me like I'm healthy and hypochondriac. Read the mercury forums - all very similar stories. People on this forum should recognize this yourself. Most of you are probably considered healthy, though you suffer from terrible condition of POIS. I'm pretty sure you will recognize other similarities when you read the stories of sufferers.

Look around, most people have some weird health problems nowadays. It may sound like a conspiracy theory but when you go deep you will see the connections. That's why I strongly encourage your own investigation. And remember, I was also coming across this theory like you do right now and disregarded it immediately.

Recommend to watch on youtube:
Mad Hatter's Disease
How Mercury Destroys the Brain - University of Calgary
FDA Hearings on Mercury Dental Amalgam Safety
FDA Townhall California 2011 David Kennedy and Stacy Case Testimony
David Geier There is no safe level of mercury
From Acrodynia to Autism: Mercury Across Generations

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Re: hair-analysis see ... http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

As for this one, I had doubts also. It clearly shows progress based on minerals I'm taking. My friend who's a smoker showed high cadmium in hair. Maybe a coincidence, but I don't think so. Boyd Haley, David Geier, Andy Cutler - all people who make sense to me say it's relevant.

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« Reply #19570 on: 15/06/2014 17:05:32 »
guys i found out that i have grain intolerance about two years ago and i just found it now ,it seems it has something to do with asensitivity reaction toward grains, still i didnt detoxfy from grains i fell it gonna be significant finding in POIS

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« Reply #19572 on: 16/06/2014 04:48:47 »
I am in college and i had pois since 9th grade.. I remember , in 9th grade i was having a bottle containing 20grams of mercury and i used to play with it..Then that mercury got spilled in my schoolbag and i didnt took much care.. i used the same bag spilled with mercury daily..That maybe when i got chronic exposure to mercury... i felt symptoms 4-6 months from that exposure.. this can be possible cause of pois. 

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« Reply #19573 on: 16/06/2014 12:31:11 »
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http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/737-boyd-haley.html

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/141-david-mark-geier.html

Anyone who says anything bad about vaccines is considered a lunatic. The funny thing is those guys are not even against vaccines, but against mercury in vaccines. Listen to them and make your own judgement instead of following the common road, which hasn't been helping anyone.

And I guess LAPOISSE2 vaccine, MrVat7 messing with mercury and vik1379 having high mercury in urine, is just a coincidence... Maybe it is, but I don't think so

This is a second most toxic element in the world! Read about it. Yet we use it in amalgams and vaccines as it's not a big deal.
The most toxic one is plutonium. You don't put it in your teeth or inject it in your veins, don't you?

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« Reply #19574 on: 16/06/2014 13:21:56 »
Mercury amalgum has different propertis than elemental mercury..and they are safe to use amd are approved by govt. Elemental mercury is toxic and one requires a professional to clean mercury spill..i didnt knew this in 9th grade..and that may have altered my tissue functioning..which caused me pois..possible.

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« Reply #19575 on: 16/06/2014 14:58:09 »
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Mercury amalgum has different propertis than elemental mercury..and they are safe to use amd are approved by govt

It's actually banned in many reasonable countries in Northern Europe. In some of them you have to take out amalgam fillings from dead body before you bury it, so you don't contaminate environment.

Once again, pls watch on youtube (copy and paste exact title):
FDA Hearings on dental amalgam safety
Smoking Teeth = Poison Gas
FDA Townhall California 2011 David Kennedy and Stacy Case Testimony
You Put What In My Mouth ?
Amalgam Danger by Dr.  Benjamin Zander
Mercury Dental Fillings Are a Biochemical Train Wreck

The greatest defense we have against mercury is in our gut. So the least harmful effect would be from eating fish (although there are still many stories of suffering from that).
By injecting a vaccine, you go around your gut protection system. The same goes for mercury vapor from amalgam fillings that is absorbed by lungs.

And once again, this is a second most toxic element in the world! Biochemical studies show that's it's toxic in parts per billion, in most elemental state. You don't want it anywhere in your body and especially near your brain.

It often happens that it's the removal of amalgam that is the culprit. When it's drilled out, parts of mercury goes inside your body and that's when people get very sick. Before it happens people may seem healthy but they're not. They may be oversensitive, depressed, fatigued, emotional at times. But we think - it's just the way they are.



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« Reply #19576 on: 16/06/2014 17:43:28 »
Dear friends,   I am posting it from Herman.  POIS is not only about mercury.  POIS Is in 90% is about copper.  Mercury causes copper imbalance so does cadmium , virus or any chronic stress.   Gurav  got rid of  POIS  by simply  taking out Wisdom tooth which had no mercury  filling in it.  Anything that caused cortisol to  pump causes POIS.   IT could be mercury ,  cadmium,   Virus,  wisdom tooth,  prostatitis.  I Live in Cyprus and I  have  hairtests of people  with  very very high mercury  since they  eat fish and  sorry but none of them  have POIS.   Mercury binds with copper in the intestines and causes copper deficiency  first and later it causes copper toxicity that is when POIS establishes. Cadmium  does  the same.
 DMSA chelates copper and mercury so does DMPS.   Chelation is very  dangerous, that is why  I  recommended ARL who actually deal with any toxicity but it takes  years, same as with frank chelation.   ACTUAL POIS is caused by copper imbalance and not mercury ,  but Mercury  could co exist with copper.  Mercury toxicity  is in every single body  these days,   100% of people.
 Be careful if you use chelators. DMSA causes 55 times copper removal which is you are low in   your neutrophils will crash  and that could be very   dangerous.
 Good luck , Herman

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« Reply #19577 on: 17/06/2014 09:38:55 »
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I  have  hairtests of people  with  very very high mercury  since they  eat fish and  sorry but none of them  have POIS

When it comes to mercury, it's not how much you excrete, but how much you retain. People suffering the most are those who cannot excrete it. People with high mercury in hair or urine have usually much less symptoms and easier recovery.

Recommend to watch on youtube (copy and paste exact title):
Boyd Haley PhD Discusses Mercury Retention and Excretion
Dr Boyd Haley: Autism, Mercury, & Thimerosal (2005)*

Also, if you look at confirmed cases of mercury toxicity (mad hatters, minamata, acrodynia) and other cases clearly directing to mercury (dental amalgams), you will see how multiple different symptoms it can create. People are slowly getting rid of them all with the same protocol. POIS is a rare symptom in comparison to most common behavioral problems, fatigue, digestion, liver and kidneys.

There have to be other factors involved but it seems like mercury is the main culprit.




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« Reply #19578 on: 17/06/2014 18:45:33 »
We have done the mercury copper discussion before..

and it led to saying its not plausible. simply because we get sick by ejaculation, not all the time..

we then said it might be poisoning of testicles, but no one knows.

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« Reply #19579 on: 17/06/2014 19:46:25 »
DMSA  chelates copper 55 times more than  mercury.  If you are low copper  that is the most dangerous thing you can do. YOu can get cancer from it.
 I have people with high and low mercury in hair both having POIS.  You  need to know how to read hair to see the mineral transport  for mercury  toxicity.
 How is  removing  wisdom tooth  got rid of  POIS for Gurav? LMAO. Question is , did you get rid of POIS using Mercury chelation for 6 months.  My answer is probably not.  So why would advice people  on it.   And it is not distrubutions that you feel during DMSA feeling like POIS, it is copper deficiency that you feel from DMSA. Everyone seems to find their own problem for POIS and  claim that it is  the culpit.  POIS is caused by the not normal stress response and  that abnormal  stress response could be caused by 100 thing.  But  one thing is  in common ,   COPPER metabolism.   It does not matter where  you got it fom MERCURY, or super stress, or pyroluria  or WIlsons desease.   Mercury is just one of the cases in the huge problme of COPPER metabolism.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19580 on: 18/06/2014 10:46:13 »
I truly believe that most of the problems are indeed due to impaired copper metabolism. You were the first to point that out. Copper plays extremely important role in fighting off any disease in the body. I just don't believe that there are 100 things that can cause this imbalance. I'm not saying that mercury is the only one but I believe it's the most common one. It's also very strange coincidence that suddenly poeple here discover they had a mercury exposure just before getting sick.

Viruses and bad bacteria only thrive in bad environment. That's why not everyone who's exposed to virus, gets a flu. Not everyone who's exposed to tick, gets lyme disease. If you read about autistic children, many times they have candida, rubella and parasites all together. Many people get rid of candida when they remove amalgam fillings safely. Candida hold on to mercury to protect you from absorbing it. Body is smart in that way.

Pyroluria and Wilson's are symptoms, not diseases. Just as hypo/hyperthyroidism, chronic fatigue or POIS. This is how imbalance manifests. Super stress is most ridiculous argument for me. There are people who go through massive trauma during their childhood, and they still live a normal, healthy life later. That's because their biochemical environment was correct from the beginning. Then there are people who had a nice, loving childhood but they react to every little thing like it's a big trauma. Later they start to react to food, chemicals, anything. Body cannot handle anymore, cause the enviroment inside is more and more polluted. Now combine traumatic experiences with incorrect environment (mercury exposure) and you have the worst case.

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I have people with high and low mercury in hair both having POIS.  You  need to know how to read hair to see the mineral transport  for mercury  toxicity.

That's why I said in previous post that hair test is not a measure of exposure to mercury. Only a measure of excretion. Measure of exposure are ratios of essential minerals, symptoms you have and story of exposure.

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Question is , did you get rid of POIS using Mercury chelation for 6 months.  My answer is probably not.  So why would advice people on it

Let me get this straight, maybe I was misunderstood. I DIDN'T GET RID OF POIS. I DON'T RECOMMEND CHELATORS. I wanted to point to mercury. Even excluding POIS it seems ridiculous that we are putting such potent toxin in our teeth and veins. We had this problem for millenia. Read about use of calomel (mercury chloride) in medicine in 1800-1900's. It's the difficulty in recognizing mercury in tests and its unique characteristics that caused terrible ignorance. When you take that into consideration, then the connection is obvious. Cadmium and aluminum are also toxic, but not even close to mercury. I trust the biochemical studies, the stories I've read, the investigation I made. If I add the story of my life on top, it all comes together.

It was my own decision to go with Cutler's protocol and I'm doing it extremely carefully checking my blood, hair minerals, kidneys and liver regulary. But most importantly observing carefuly how I feel. Until now, I can say it's only been helping. If it's not going to work I'll be here first to admit it.

Let me also stress that it's not only about chelators. In Cutler's protocol replenishing minerals is equally important. Someone asked what do I recommend, so I made a summary of all the protocols that people use. One of them is based only on mineral balancing and I believe that it's probably possible to get healthy using only this method.

The only thing I encourage to do your own investigation and do what makes sense to you.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19581 on: 19/06/2014 15:50:40 »
I think than POIS is a psychosomatic reaction linked to trauma/PTSD that overwhelms the nervous system.

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« Reply #19582 on: 20/06/2014 14:21:51 »
I think than POIS is a psychosomatic reaction linked to trauma/PTSD that overwhelms the nervous system.
I concur.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19583 on: 21/06/2014 15:21:21 »
Guys does POIS reduce the intellegince by time even if you are in abstinence mode , so any body feel his IQ got lower or his emotional part became blunt ?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19584 on: 25/06/2014 12:43:09 »
no, your intelligence level recovers in abstinence mode

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19585 on: 27/06/2014 18:37:33 »
Can high dose of testosterone cause gynecomastia ?

MrVat7, dou you start your testosterone treatment??? Are you having some improves???

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« Reply #19586 on: 28/06/2014 16:21:31 »
Hello guys , in one of the forum posts it is mentioned that a person got a brain stroke from the POIS , can too much pois cause stroke any what is the incidence of that ??

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« Reply #19587 on: 29/06/2014 17:58:57 »
Any one is grain sensitive like me , am grain sensitive :(

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« Reply #19588 on: 30/06/2014 04:17:05 »
Hello guys , in one of the forum posts it is mentioned that a person got a brain stroke from the POIS , can too much pois cause stroke any what is the incidence of that ??

I could see regular POIS causing massive stress, especially at the workplace if cognitive loss is a symptom,  and therefor increase in blood pressure and tension. This might increase chance for a stroke in someone already susceptible?

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« Reply #19589 on: 30/06/2014 05:52:31 »
Can high dose of testosterone cause gynecomastia ?

MrVat7, dou you start your testosterone treatment??? Are you having some improves???

Due to unavoidable circumstances i was unable to start high dose testosterone treatment..m really sorry for that...

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« Reply #19590 on: 01/07/2014 11:23:16 »
Who knows when will medical research?

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« Reply #19591 on: 02/07/2014 04:52:41 »
<former Moderator visiting periodically>

Who knows when will medical research?

Rutgers Univ. medical research is funded by poiscenter.com

They are prohibited from posting elsewhere. So that website is where you can find info you're looking for.

Regards,
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« Reply #19592 on: 03/07/2014 18:42:21 »
poiscenter.com is down right now, I havn't been able to get to it for 3 days. Demo, server issues?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19593 on: 04/07/2014 21:11:10 »
According to my experience, POIS seems to be caused by the change of breathing patterns induced during the period of arousal/orgasm. The thing is one may not even notice his breathing patterns change, it may be related to the physiology of the predisposed (vulnerable) individuals, with several other variables involved.

Sometimes, the orgasm itself interrupts these chronic hyperventilation states, therefore it represents both the cause and the "cure" of those symptoms.

Check the list of the symptoms + more info:

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http://www.patrickmckeown.net/chronic-hyperventilation-syndrome.php
•shortness of breath for no apparent reason
•frequent sighing or yawning
•chest pains not heart related
•chest tightness
•coughing
•wheezing
•breathlessness
•sneezing
•reduced loss of smell
•heart palpitations
•sweating
•syncope (fainting)
•dizziness
•trembling
•slurred speech
•cold, tingling, or numb lips or extremities
•nausea or irritable bowel syndrome
•aching muscles or joints, or tremors
•tiredness, unsteadiness, or diffuse weakness
•restless sleep, insomnia, or nightmares
•sexual problems
•anxiety or phobias
•fear that perhaps you're a hypochondriac
•bad breath, dry mouth, dental problems
•pressure in throat or difficulty swallowing
•bloating, belching, flatulence, or abdominal pain
•impaired memory or concentration
•confusion / disorientation
•tinnitus (ringing in ears)
•headaches
•brain fog
•pains in joints or bones
•repeated throat clearing
•blurred vision, tunnel vision, double vision, or flashing lights
•tachycardia (rapid pulse)
•depression
•erratic blood pressure
•loss of libido
•allergies
•feeling spaced out
•sweating
•varicose veins
•poor concentration
•frequent urination, children bed wetting
•headaches
•erratic blood sugar levels
•dry lips
•impotence
•short temper
•irritability
•loss of libido
•racing mind
•short temper
•hot or cold flushes

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19594 on: 05/07/2014 19:32:23 »

<former Moderator visiting periodically>


poiscenter.com is down right now, I havn't been able to get to it for 3 days. Demo, server issues?

Nightingale, all's well, several people have checked it fine. Who knows? Might have been a tiny disruption when you checked.

But all's up and running smoothly!  [:)]



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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19595 on: 06/07/2014 03:14:14 »
It seems like my IP is blocked or something. I tried to get it reassigned by unplugging my modem for a while and connecting it again. That didn't help. You are right, it is up because I can access it through my phone's 4G connection. I flushed my dns cache, I could assign another IP manually but that can cause issues.

You sure I havn't been filtered from the site? I know you try to keep the spammers away. I really would like to write up something!


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« Reply #19596 on: 06/07/2014 03:28:20 »
<former Moderator visiting periodically>

It seems like my IP is blocked or something. I tried to get it reassigned by unplugging my modem for a while and connecting it again. That didn't help. You are right, it is up because I can access it through my phone's 4G connection. I flushed my dns cache, I could assign another IP manually but that can cause issues.

You sure I havn't been filtered from the site? I know you try to keep the spammers away. I really would like to write up something!



Hi, Nightingale !

I alerted daveman.

You can also contact him at:
daveman AT poiscenter.com

Hope it resolves quickly !

Best,
Demo

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« Reply #19597 on: 10/07/2014 23:39:53 »
I haven't posted anything here in months. This is just a vent so please excuse me.
Have tried all supplements from A-Z. Everything you can imagine from vitamins to minerals. I even gave up smoking. No alcohol, no coffee, rarely eat junk foods. Tried all kinds of diet.

I have been depressed most of my life because of this. I have PSSD (Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction) which left me with Soft Glans Syndrome. I also have Red Glans Syndrome as well as a mild case of Peyronie's disease that is getting worse.

I was introduced to masturbation at a very young age of 10 thru my classmates. I have brought home magazines of Sports Illustrated and locked myself in the toilet each day lying to my parents that I need to use the toilet. I used to put my penis on the toilet seat and the magazine behind it and rub it against it. There were numerous times when my frenulum started bleeding but it didn't stop me from fulfilling my desires.

They've introduced me to porn at around 12 and saw how much of a sucker I was and sold the magazines to me. I didn't realize I was severly addicted to masturbation and porn until I was around 17-18. The POIS symptoms appeared a year after that and has caused lots of depression for me.

This depression has been lifted when I got married. Nowadays, things are not looking bright.
POIS has caused horrible insecurities in me.

My symptoms are always the same. After I orgasm it doesn't take 2 minutes and I feel like my IQ has been dropped by 50%. I forget words and cannot think/focus, I start stuttering when talking to my wife and the conversation feels like an adult woman talking to an 7 year old boy.
My muscles become weak and if I try to stand my legs start shaking and trembling.

It takes me about a week to relieve POIS symptoms. Everyone starts commenting how intelligent, creative and bright I am as well as funny. I have energy and motivation to do things and don't stutter during conversations. These compliments still can't uplift my mood knowing that 'Satan' is always lurking in my body waiting for me to ejaculate.

Now that my wife started to work out and getting in shape I didn't wanted to be the couch potato husband so I joined a gym. I am skinny-fat. During POIS I have no motivation to get out of the bed, not to mention going to work or the gym. I don't want to be left behind knowing how problematic and good for nothing I can be. Everyone is labelling me "lazy", telling me I'm a good for nothing. It just only make matters worse...

When I first told my wife I have POIS it made her burst out laughing. I will not lie to you guys, it made me cry like a baby. Seeing this she has acknowledged the seriousness of it and has been supporting me, but she joined the otherside and said I cannot blame everything on this syndrome.

Sorry, I didn't know that having cracking joints, not being able to get out of bed, not being able to think, not being able to hold a plate in my hand because I would drop it from shaky, weak muscles and feeling like a sick, unhealthy elderly person is normal for a guy in his twenties.

We had great sex before and always left her satisfied. Not being able to do much housework, destroyed self-confidence, weakness and feeling like a beta male has put a stamp on me over time and I'm losing my wife. We haven't had sex in months. When I confronted her about this she told me she didn't wanted to induce POIS. I don't know the truth behind that because we have been arguing a lot, but I had to accept my fate.

Nowadays divorce has been brought up several times. I know if I go a week or two without POIS I am the brighest, most positive person in the world. I do housework, I give 100% in my deskjob, I take her out to places, I make everybody laugh around me all the time.
With POIS, I am one of the most negative, depressing person to be around so I understand that at this point divorce is inevitable because who needs a person like that. I have suicidal thinking because I really love this person more than life itself. At least niacin would work for me, but it doesn't. Even 25 mg will give me a bad flush and not ease my symptoms. I would have to be hospitalized by the doses people take here.

Since I suffer from hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) on a daily basis I know that it interferes with the severity of my POIS. So for a long time we had the theory of low dopamine.
No motivation, muscle weakness/cordination issues, stuttering etc.
So now I was thinking of something that might be closer to reality.

We all know that one can have insulin resistance. The body cannot use insulin properly.
So what about this: Could we have resistance to DOPAMINE? Dopamine resistance?

Look. I know I exhibit symptoms and would be able to find huge relief with things like Ritalin or Adderall, but I tried to look into alternatives that could elevate DA.
I tried to eat foods rich of dopamine. Results?

I felt like sh1t! It does the opposite if what one hopes for and because of this, I thought (in my case) that dopamine resistance could be the answer for all this madness?

Forgot to mention that I even quit porn a long time ago. Doesn't help. You cannot go on Google, youtube or any social pages without seeing hot girls in sexy dresses or swimsuits.
Our society is fucked but this just tells me that our brain is wired the wrong way because not every has an addictive personality like some here.

Sorry for the vent guys. I just had to let this all out and hoping to find relief before my marriage ends.

Best of luck to you all!
« Last Edit: 10/07/2014 23:57:01 by desperate man »

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« Reply #19598 on: 11/07/2014 03:52:58 »
Desperate man, you are true to your name.  Very sorry to hear things are difficult at the moment for you.    -Daniel
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19599 on: 11/07/2014 14:13:07 »
I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.