Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #19650 on: 16/08/2014 02:56:15 »
Has anyone here tried 'neuroprotek' or its main active ingredients 'Luteolin' or 'Quercetin' or 'Rutin'? 
It helps reduce brain inflammation. it seems to be a hit with parents of autistic children. Also some people with CFS or lyme, etc are getting great relief. Not all are though. If it was cheap I'd give it a go. (about $40 a bottle and I thought that would last 2 weeks). I'm looking at trying the individual flavonoids.

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« Reply #19651 on: 16/08/2014 03:00:20 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

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« Reply #19652 on: 16/08/2014 20:21:30 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.

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« Reply #19653 on: 17/08/2014 20:12:37 »
johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.

There are many young couples who have sex every day or even twice+ a day in the honeymoon phase of their relationships. There are many young guys (players) and women (promiscuous) who hookup with a new partner (or more) each week, but these people are never called sex addicts. Many older couples still have sex every second day yet it seems to be a label for older men who still like variety in their sex lives, as it was in that linked article,where the married guy still visited a prostitute once a year. I think the term is misused that's all.
Yes where it is illegal it is less safer than in countries were it is legal and govt monitored and there are regular std checks by the women.

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« Reply #19654 on: 19/08/2014 17:45:51 »
Hello Guys,

Most of you will probably not like this post or reject it ; I would have done the same for years ; I feel like I need to share my view because it could help some of you.

I spent the last five years trying to understand what is POIS ; I saw dozen of med, had thousands of blood work, tried pretty much sups discussed here ; I've been investigated my endocrine system, my liver, my stomach, my brain, my ears, my eyes, my immune system and so on : My body is in good shape.

Like many of you, I noticed I had a lot of anxiety and have always been looking at it as a consequences of POIS caused by the fear of living the next day, week and years with my POIS. I've been absolutely convinced about that for years.

Today I'm POIS free and it's been about 2 month now ; Guess what i've done : I just stopped to control everything and especially my orgasm ; I have orgasm whenever I want, whenever I feel the need to have it, I stopped looking at everything I do, eat, act, feel every minute of my life as I did for years ; I stopped worrying about what will happen ; My logic was : this strategy doesn't work , I need to face it, Im' more sick that before I discovered that POIS existed ; I have to give a try and stop controlling ; If my POIS logic is right I should almost die with a lot of orgasm, no more pills, no more control ; If I don't die, maybe I'm wrong somewhere...

And I actually felt much better immediately ; So this is my explanation :

POIS is like a chronic burn out ; For individual reason(a part is probably genetic, for me it was caused by a trauma when I was 18) we have accumulated stress and anxiety for years ; Fight or flight response very useful in some situation is not designed to perform for an extend period of time ; Overstimulation of sympathetic system create conditions for exhaustion of nervous system ; My guess is that most of us developed strategy to avoid sinking totally and avoid doing a burn out which is nice but the problem became chronic with good period and relapse ; Most of us here are creative and intelligent people ; this has to play a role.

As a result, symptoms of POIS are totally real, something happens in the body, and in my opinion the nervous system just crash with a very probable influence of vagus nerve which control the sympathetic system. All the symptoms that we describe(most of them are sensation) can be linked to chronic anxiety. Feeling anxious doenst' even need to be present and not necessarily in the same period ; it can be unconscient and exhaustion stage ca, happen years after an anxious episode. 90% of case of anxiety disorder are revealed before 18yo which explain why many of us first experienced POIS in the puberty

If your are not convinced about what our brain can do you our body when we believe that we do something bad for us, look at this video ;there is  some people that can die and other heal  cancer just by turning they brain in one side or the other ; It's not new age theory, it's mainstream medical evidences

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQfe__fNbs [nofollow]

For some reason our fear and anxiety have been focused to sexual activity and it works just like a phobia ; We fear orgasm a lot and when it happens everything that we expect(reinforce collectively through this forum) just happens ; It's Nocebo effect(the opposite of placebo effect) and it's quite powerful mechanism ; If we accept that placebo effects works on us(which is as a matter of fact very clear) we need to accept that nocebo has also a real impact.

It's very difficult to admit, took me a year and it's like waking up from a bad dream ; make me think to shutter island guy ; For and anxious brain, having a external problem is always easier that facing the problem but it's never gonna solve it.

I'm sure the Dr K. will find something with vagus nerve but I also believe that it will be a dead end as there is no cure for a neurovagal dystonia because it's a symptoms of a screw up nervous system, not a disease ; It's quite a common diagnosis here in France and people get basically benzo as a cure.

The good news is if i'm true we can heal ; we have an ability to use or brain to both make us ill or make us better and the brain is very powerful.

What I've done :

meditation : it's the key ; it's not an oriental think for monks with encents, it's science and very efficient ; you can re programate your brain(physically, if you do an MRI before and after some weeks of meditation you'll see a change in grey matter) with a bit of training ; I found out that I had a very athletic brain for worrying but I was able to train it to get more peace and calm ; it's efficient after only 6 weeks
cogntitive therapy : I saw 4 guys that was no competent ; the fifth was the good one ; This part is also really important
sport : accelerate the process ;
Food : eat healthy also accelerate the process
Normal life! stop wording after POIS

It's not an instant process, I failed a year ago because I had relapse after some O which make me fear again about O which was turned into anxiety and stressed/exhaust my nervous system ; then you feel tired mentally and physically so you worry even more,start ruminating  avoid O, restart to spend your day to assess how you feel and the cycle continue...your brain will try to find a logical/external explanation and POIS will get bigger again like a chimeras. So it's really important to regenerate your nervous system by giving it a break for enough time(including during POIS period) ; it's important to know that there is cycle and it will come back but if you modify your neuronal circuits and thinking pattern, it will go away for life.

What I felt for years was a subjective experience of again anxious mind ; we are non objective observatory of ourselves ; Cornelius who basically said exactly the same 2 years ago was true.

I know that most of us will reject all that ; I would have done the same ; It's like giving up on everything we've been believed before and it's much more confortable to have a disease on which we can't do nothing than having a psychological problem ; But again, read my old post, just like you I was absolutely convinced of POIS being a physical illness and today for the first time is 6 years I feel good.


Hope it helps some of you

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« Reply #19655 on: 20/08/2014 14:33:52 »
LAPOISSE2
I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.

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« Reply #19656 on: 20/08/2014 18:31:19 »
Final Panic,

I read your post some month ago and I was inspired by it ;  It was for me one of  many evidence that helps me consider the things under an other angle. Great that something in your life helped you with your POIS ; Happiness is a great remedy against anxiety. With a bit of training it's possible to turn our imagination into positive thinking instead of worrying ; Neuroplasicity is an amazing thing.

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« Reply #19657 on: 21/08/2014 14:31:02 »
LAPOISSE2
I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.


LAPOISSE2 thumbs up for the awakening and realizing the seriousness of PTSD.
FinalPanic thanks for sharing.

Here are the basics everyone need to take into consideration: we have a condition we cannot talk to everyday people because of the fear of getting ridiculed or the thought of labelling us crazy and saying "it's all in your head". While most people sound like a tape recorder and do not realize the underlying mechanism of POIS there is still something to it.

Just because you have a clear head it doesn't mean that there aren't millions of thoughts running around in your subconscious mind. We have no one to talk to about our childhood/adult traumas because we tend to blame it on a condition that people like to ridicule and make fun of.
Therefore we just live in our past. I'm thankful for you guys for letting it "all out".
This might sound like the DMV episode from South Park but let's just team up and let all the traumas out since it will power us to confront the those who are truly responsible for the PTSD!
Edit: I decided to edit out everything regarding my teenage years. I thought it would help, but it has given me more anxiety. PTSD needs to be discussed with the person responsible for it, not with the rest of the world. Basically my mother caught me masturbating and made me feel guilty for it. We have never discussed it eversince. This is a perfect example of bad parenting. If you will have children one day and you will find them masturbating, please have them sit down and explain to them that it is normal and there's nothing to be ashamed of. They will outgrew the hormonal madness teenage years bring on. If you do not discuss this, they will become adult weirdos like myself with constant depression, anxiety and a perverted mind. I don't even have to guts to approach my mother and confront her of the past because it is a very embarassing topic and she is the last person I want to talk about masturbation. Have no idea how to approach this situation.

Thanks!
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« Reply #19658 on: 22/08/2014 17:51:21 »
I apologize to the board administrator poiscentra. Please unblock me.

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« Reply #19659 on: 22/08/2014 21:43:39 »
Hi everyone,

A couple of days ago I first learned about POIS. Never heard of it before. I knew I had a problem with orgasms for years but thought I was the only one on the planet suffering from this.
I'm 31 and have been a POIS sufferer for more than ten years. The older I get, the worse it seems to get. It takes me longer and longer to recharge after an orgasm. Besides POIS I have a porn addiction, so you can imagine how fun that has been.  [:(]

I'm tired of wasting my life away because of this. At the moment the only solution I have for this is to just minimize my orgasms to once every ten days to keep the damage to a minimum. It's very difficult not to orgasm frequently, but I rather suffer blue balls than POIS.

When I orgasm without porn I feel terrible for three days, and when I orgasm while watching porn it takes me a week at least to recover. The rare days when I don't suffer from POIS I feel great, I'm motivated, cheerful, funny, confident and sociable. When I'm suffering from POIS I'm the exact opposite, some symptoms I have are: brainfog, depression, negative, anxious, avoiding people, body tension, avoiding light, isolating, angry, no ambition, no energy, no confidence, stuttering etc.

The last three days I've been reading a lot of this very long thread. Learned a lot about POIS, which is great. Unfortunately I've also learned that there is no cure for this yet. There are many theories about the cause of POIS it seems, it's very interesting to read about it all.
There is still a lot I have to discover about POIS, it's only three days since I know about this. So thanks for all your posts.
While reading the posts in this thread I decided I could no longer just be a passive reader, I had to write something just so you guys know there are more people suffering from this.

This is a horrible illness and I hope a cure will be found.

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« Reply #19660 on: 23/08/2014 02:31:50 »
Final Panic - your description of you personality is the same as me. I have suffered form a general anxiousness most of my life. It is very much linked to pois. It was there a little before but in stressful situations only. When it ramped up is when I had pois at 16/17, though at the time I did not know what I had or could link it specifically to having an O. I was in constant pois, so for me having an O did not make me consciously more anxious because I was now going to get pois. The anxiousness just flared back up the next day. As you said having an O pushes the body past a certain limit. I could see meditation & hypnotism helping to reduce the level of anxiety but not breaking the link between having an O an getting increased anxiety. The O causes pois with ramped up anxiety being one of the symptoms and not a case of getting anxious over having an O and getting pois.

I found it hard to do meditation, as I always had constant thoughts. I tried hypnotism using CD + headphones and that helped a bit with my general health and well being. I had to do it morning + night and continuously every day. when I stopped after a while its effects wore off. I also tried herbs + supplements to reduce the anxiousness and this did help lessen pois and the anxiousness which was a big part, but it meant I was not mentally as sharp which I did not like.

That general anxiety for me made wanting sex an act of stress release. The times when I had increased libido but also when iI put on more weight was happy and calmer then sex was lusty and not because I was stressed. Much less pois then, but it was hard for me to maintain that. Just lucky health spells always in the colder months. I've tried the continual solo self-control regime and it did not really help lessen the pois imo. It was good in the fact that it meant I was holding off from having an O during the week though. Still I think there are some here (younger guys anyway) who would still find that too stimulating and get some pois symptoms. I wonder how much of your reduced pois is due to you being really happy (in love) with your new gf. Its really good you have hardly any symptoms for this new relationship.
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« Reply #19661 on: 23/08/2014 14:43:45 »
Hi friends, I am back. Started new theraphy from next week to find cure to POIS.  Will post on this soon

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« Reply #19662 on: 24/08/2014 07:49:48 »

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Hi friends, I am back. Started new theraphy from next week to find cure to POIS.  Will post on this soon



Welcome back, Nathan!

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« Reply #19663 on: 24/08/2014 07:56:21 »
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This is a horrible illness and I hope a cure will be found.


Excellent summation, Tired!

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« Reply #19664 on: 24/08/2014 10:04:03 »
Thanks Demo.
I've spent many hours reading as much as I can about POIS the last couple of days, especially about experiences of fellow POIS sufferers. I'm very motivated to fight this illness as much as I can. I've learned about a couple of supplements/vitamins to reduce the symptoms of POIS and I'm going to try a couple of them out, all in a safe way of course. If I find something that works for me I will write about it here.

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« Reply #19665 on: 25/08/2014 15:26:31 »
Excuse me if this question has been asked before, but I must know: Niacin helps some people with POIS, but do we have Niacin deficiency or is it just the flush that helps relieve alleviate some of the symptoms?
Someone I know (non-POIS sufferer) came back with lab tests from the doc. It showed severe niacin deficiency so I thought I would ask.

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« Reply #19666 on: 25/08/2014 23:50:33 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?

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« Reply #19667 on: 26/08/2014 01:55:59 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?

Questions to you: Have you ever been on antidepressants? Have you ever tried dopaminergic supplements (maca, B vitamins, certain amino acids)? How does your current diet look like? What other lab tests do you have?

People need to post lab tests because then we might pinpoint something crucial. I'm sure OP would not mind as it would support the research us non-medical, depressed beings do.

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« Reply #19668 on: 26/08/2014 08:44:58 »
Ok so I tried Niacin for the first time yesterday. After reading a lot about it I decided to test it out and see for myself. I bought the flush type 100mg. I had not eaten for four hours before taking it. Took the pill at 5:30 pm and felt nothing till 6pm so I decided to take another one. Within 5 minutes my body started to tingle and after 15  minutes my face was as red like a tomato. I don't know if this was the effect of the first or second pill but it was definitely working. At around 6:35 pm I had an orgasm. At first I didn't know if this was too soon since it was about 20 minutes after the flush really started but I could feel the flush going away and my face was still a bit red when I orgasmed. Next time I try to be a bit more patient and orgasm 45 minutes after the flush.

Anyways, immediately after the orgasm I noticed that I wasn't sleepy like I normal am after an orgasm. I just got up and cleaned myself. I didn't really feel a drop in energy as well like is normally the case.
So almost no difference before and after orgasm. One thing I did notice was that I was very tired very soon in the evening. Went to sleep at 9:30 pm already and slept for ten hours.

The flush was really strong so maybe that took a lot of energy from my body? I felt very energized the first two hours after taking the Niacine but then became tired.

Today I don't feel the symptoms as strong as I would without Niacine. It's hard to measure but I would say the symptoms reduced 60 to 70%. It's still early so I don't know what the rest of the day will bring, also day 2 is normally my worst day after an orgasm so we have to see how that goes. But until now I would describe my experience with Niacin as positive :)

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« Reply #19669 on: 26/08/2014 12:27:39 »
I suggest trying to understand why we have excess parasympathetic responses after orgasm???????? that lasts for a week? Trying to understand from the first principles.

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« Reply #19670 on: 27/08/2014 11:57:28 »
Hi Mer, I think you are right. I am a nurse (44) suffer from POIS sice 25 years (pain, brain fog ect...) and I searched much to find deeply the cause of the problem. I meet soon my urologue to treat DEFINITIVELY (I hope!) the problem. Here is what I think what is POIS: This would be (for me, I specify!), a microadenoma to the epididym. Microadenomas releases catecholamins (sometimes, not always) and when the O. occurs, the hormonal system that is informed of the O. doesn't recognise the presence of cathecolamines in the parasympatic chain and an allergy occurs (the oedema and pain) and systemics problems occurs also as dominos...
Concretely: I can feel the microadenoma that is a kyst of 3 mm with palpation at the left testicule. For me it is only one side but there is a risk that microadenomas are on both sides. An echoghrapy will confirm the diagnosis, and after I will take an appointement in surgery, the operation is of a small importance (I'm not there, but I so hope I'm not wrong). I will write soon to confirm the results.

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« Reply #19671 on: 28/08/2014 15:54:33 »
Been reading about the issue I'm dealing with on top of all this (which is teeth clenching while I sleep). It was induced by antipsychotic drugs. I just read a study how they treated people with this condition by supplementing with L-Dopa. One natural source of this chemical is Mucuna pruriens. How is your experience with this?

WARNING: Unnatural sources of L-Dopa can cause permanent heart damage. Always use google before you give yourself in to try a new supp/drug!

Edit: Some claim "Without green tea, Mucuna is more of an anti-prolactin agent (prolactin is what causes the feeling of a sexual hangover)." Be cautious with herbs! Although we might have elevated prolactin due to the reaction of POIS or whatever else. Problem is we still just theorize the possible causes and chemical reactions. If your prolactin is elevated temporarily by POIS, then during these times Mucuna could help alleviate these symptoms. Problem is if you tend to drop your prolactin below healthy human levels then over-stimulation occurs. In the end this is going to cause the heart problems. If you have used L-Dopa or Mucuna (w or w/o green tea) then please share your experience because this could be a remedy for those of us with depression, PTSD and anhedonia on top of POIS!
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« Reply #19672 on: 31/08/2014 06:46:22 »
I'm a newbie to this forum and was reading the older posts and decided to start reading the most recent ones.  I had read a paper/study that concluded that prolactin increase was the norm post orgasm and it occurred to me that perhaps many of us POISers may simply have a longer period during which prolactin is heightened in our systems. 

I have tried the flushing niacin, aspirin, antihistimine combinations with limited results.  If Mucuna is likely to drop prolactin levels, then it would be a good thing to try.  I wonder if taking it right before sexual activity and after would be of value.  Given any of the concerns you've expressed, perhaps starting with a low dose would be advisable.  Also, would Ashwaganda or Maca potentially have a prolactin inhibiting quality?   

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« Reply #19673 on: 31/08/2014 07:25:01 »
Poisers may have a sudden fall in dopamine after an orgasm...symptoms says.

Everyone gets a sudden decrease in dopamine thanks to the temporal increase in prolactin after ejaculation. When you really think about it, hyperprolactemia could in theory cause similar symptoms to POIS

Talking about prolactin, I managed to reduce it from 11.66 ng/mL to 4.03 ng/mL and I have experienced progress because  of this.I could say I am almost cured, there are still things I must do like updated thyroid bloodwork and see it that was fixed and some  insomnia  I get if I ejaculate at night which I can't explain yet, better than POIS but still...

fornication, that's great that your prolactin levels have dropped. It would be useful for you to share how you managed to do that. Thanks.

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« Reply #19674 on: 31/08/2014 07:43:30 »
Here's a short, but useful summary of some natural prolactin inhibitor supplements.  I'm sure that some of you have tried a variety of these.  I'm going to check some of them out.  I do have pyroluria, so my b6/zinc intake needs to increase. 

newbielink:http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html/ [nonactive]

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« Reply #19675 on: 31/08/2014 17:27:25 »
Can anyone recommend a reputable lab where I can order a prolactin, progesterone and other relevant tests online?

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« Reply #19676 on: 01/09/2014 02:06:15 »
Hi ozmoses and welcome!

You are right on time. I drifted my focus on B6 as well after reading that nearly all amino acids require B6. Common myth is that B6 deficiency equals serotonin deficiency. In reality B6 is needed for both dopamine and serotonin. Remember that when your prolactin shoots up your dopamine will fall. Vice versa. Been part of Pyroluria group, but haven't experimented with high doses of B6 before. All symptoms match. Over a year ago I had a health test done by a dubious practitioner and results came back with deficiency of B6 that was the most significant of all my deficiencies. No other vitamin came up besides B6.  This vitamin is so essential that it's needed for 19 out of 20 amino acids in your body and you will not find the exact same list symptoms of it's deficiency on different websites. Guaranteed. Deficiency will mimic all kinds of things you can imagine. Just one particular amino acid (too low/too high levels) can f*** you up for good then there's the neuotransmitter imbalance and psychological issues. Then there's the physical issues resulting from the chemical imbalance. Meanwhile you're using up more and more B6 because you are in a constant state of stress. It's a viscious cycle. I'm planning to do 10000% RDA of B6 and titrate it down from there. Will let you know how it goes.
Wishing you success with Pyrrole disorder! It's a b**** I know this from a personal point of view.

Significance of B6: https://www.e-tyh.com/cscart/Health_Library_PDFs/BewareofB6-2011_L.pdf [nofollow]

edit: Did I mention the growth hormone deficiency (which does cause hypoglycemia by the way) that will result from melatonin deficiency due to lack of B6?  [;)]
One of the main features of B6 deficiency is "seborrhoeic dermatitis-like eruption" which I've been dealing with for a long time now. Here's a pic of what this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrhoeic_dermatitis#mediaviewer/File:Seborrhoeic_dermatitis_highres.jpg [nofollow]

It's such a relief to know that there's another person suffering with both Pyroluria and POIS. Don't get me wrong! I felt so alone in this sh1t.  [:-'(] PTSD brings on Pyroluria. This happens usually in adolescent times. I know that since my PTSD I stopped remembering my dreams (which is one of the characteristics of this disorder). Hope you get better!
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« Reply #19677 on: 01/09/2014 11:53:07 »
LAPOISSE2 - if I were to try your method of letting go within some months i would loose my family, reputation and income and wealth. I seriously don't recommend anyone to have unlimited orgasms.

Until some years ago when i discovered POIS i did let go and it was terrible.

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« Reply #19678 on: 01/09/2014 12:08:16 »
Concretely: I can feel the microadenoma that is a kyst of 3 mm with palpation at the left testicule. For me it is only one side but there is a risk that microadenomas are on both sides. An echoghrapy will confirm the diagnosis, and after I will take an appointement in surgery, the operation is of a small importance (I'm not there, but I so hope I'm not wrong). I will write soon to confirm the results.

A nurse with POIS is exactly what we need. I pray for your success!

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« Reply #19679 on: 02/09/2014 18:59:41 »
Hi ozmoses and welcome!

You are right on time. I drifted my focus on B6 as well after reading that nearly all amino acids require B6. Common myth is that B6 deficiency equals serotonin deficiency. In reality B6 is needed for both dopamine and serotonin. Remember that when your prolactin shoots up your dopamine will fall. Vice versa. Been part of Pyroluria group, but haven't experimented with high doses of B6 before. All symptoms match. Over a year ago I had a health test done by a dubious practitioner and results came back with deficiency of B6 that was the most significant of all my deficiencies. No other vitamin came up besides B6.  This vitamin is so essential that it's needed for 19 out of 20 amino acids in your body and you will not find the exact same list symptoms of it's deficiency on different websites. Guaranteed. Deficiency will mimic all kinds of things you can imagine. Just one particular amino acid (too low/too high levels) can f*** you up for good then there's the neuotransmitter imbalance and psychological issues. Then there's the physical issues resulting from the chemical imbalance. Meanwhile you're using up more and more B6 because you are in a constant state of stress. It's a viscious cycle. I'm planning to do 10000% RDA of B6 and titrate it down from there. Will let you know how it goes.
Wishing you success with Pyrrole disorder! It's a b**** I know this from a personal point of view.

Significance of B6: newbielink:https://www.e-tyh.com/cscart/Health_Library_PDFs/BewareofB6-2011_L.pdf [nonactive]

edit: Did I mention the growth hormone deficiency (which does cause hypoglycemia by the way) that will result from melatonin deficiency due to lack of B6?  [;)]
One of the main features of B6 deficiency is "seborrhoeic dermatitis-like eruption" which I've been dealing with for a long time now. Here's a pic of what this is: newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seborrhoeic_dermatitis#mediaviewer/File:Seborrhoeic_dermatitis_highres.jpg [nonactive]

It's such a relief to know that there's another person suffering with both Pyroluria and POIS. Don't get me wrong! I felt so alone in this sh1t.  [:-'(] PTSD brings on Pyroluria. This happens usually in adolescent times. I know that since my PTSD I stopped remembering my dreams (which is one of the characteristics of this disorder). Hope you get better!

Thanks for the reply.  Did you actually get tested for pyroluria? I did and have begun a zinc, b6, p5p regimen, but also higher doses of Omega 3s amongst a boat load of other supps.  Just literally went in to get my prolactin and progesterone levels tested this morning along with casein and gluten since I seem to have some annoying food allergies/intolerances as well. Fingers crossed on results.

If my prolactin levels are high enough, I'm going to find a doctor who will prescribe CABERGOLINE for me.  Has anyone here tried it and found benefit?  I'll try to go through this forum and find info on that, but dang, there are an enormous number of posts. 

Apparently, SSRIs are one of the biggest causes of high prolactin levels in men.  I was taking celexa for the past 10 years and then finally decided that I had enough.  The withdrawals from getting off that evil med were the worst I've ever experienced in my life.  BIG PHARMA and the FDA should be prosecuted for allowing such damaging medications to be on the market.  Evil frackers. ;)

Anyways,  POIS is real and debilitating in a life altering way.. big way.  I may post on my issues just for the record one of these days. 

If I see any benefits from any protocol that I'm on, I will certainly spread the word.  No one should have to deal with this bulls*$t from something that is so normal and so enjoyable. Sex should not cause depression, extended fatigue, lack of motivation etc.  In our hypersexual society, it's hard to stop once you've started.  BTW, I've never been into porn so that hasn't been an issue. More the soft core stuff or simply lingerie/swimsuit model types.  Gotta leave a little to the imagination IMHO.  ;)  Anyways, signing off for now.  But checking in again soon.  LET'S ALL FIGURE THIS OUT AND ELIMINATE THIS POIS'ON FROM OUR LIVES!!!!!!!  HEEYAH

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« Reply #19680 on: 02/09/2014 19:06:22 »
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Hello peoples.

I have returned with a small bit of useful info.

I have found a new regiment thats really helped me stave off unwanted nocturnal emissions.

I consume one Monster Energy Java drink a day. Thats it. Now how does this work? Not sure why this particular energy drink is so potent, but it seems to noticeably "desensitize" one as well as lower the sexual urge. I used to use dream control and take a muscle relaxer etc etc. For whatever reason though drinkin one of those Monster Java energy drinks a day has made avoiding NE's so much easier. Im not gonna even begin to dissect the reason, I just know that it works fairly well. Also relieves minor aches and pains, this particular brand of energy drink, so might be helpful for those who have O'ed as well? Anyways, fight the good fight. Im out. Peace.

Monster drinks have 400% more caffeine than same size Starbucks.

Many of the people facing POIS in all likelihood also have adrenal fatigue.  I have adrenal fatigue.  When I've had caffeine (like an ice mocha, anything coffee related or chocolate) I get ridiculous levels of fatigue and sweat alot more.  I would highly advise many of you to NOT consume caffeine if you find that it causes problems for you.   For those who get benefit from it, congrats, but I would just proceed with caution.  It likely is a poor short term solution for many.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS) MTHFR and other snp
« Reply #19681 on: 02/09/2014 19:09:51 »
For those of you familiar with MTHFR and other genetic mutations, have any of you figured out which mutations might be responsible for POIS?

I have a wide mix of snps that are undoubtedly causing alot of my problems, but haven't really found an expert to help me consolidate the data. 

Any thoughts would be awesome.

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« Reply #19682 on: 02/09/2014 22:45:39 »
Gbolduev should be banned for using abusive language in his earlier posts & posting nonsense arguments to increase his number of posts.

I agree.  People are having enough difficulties in their lives to then be harassed in a forum which should be a safe place.  Online bullies are just real life cowards. 

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« Reply #19683 on: 03/09/2014 16:49:46 »
With pois I lost my job, family and yourself. Half of life lost

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« Reply #19684 on: 03/09/2014 18:05:08 »
I would have my testicles out just to stop pois. But im too nervous about going to the doctors to ask. Pois has ruined me but I keep going.

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« Reply #19685 on: 06/09/2014 00:53:25 »
Just got my Prolactin and Progesterone labs back and they both fall within the reference range.   This leads me to believe that Prolactin is not the key variable in POIS.  Granted, I haven't checked my dopamine/other neurotransmitter levels yet.  Was really hoping that Prolactin was the key. :(

MY KEY SYMPTOMS POIS AND SITUATIONS
Morning or daytime orgasms result in remainder of day exhaustion/irritability (sleep during daytime)
Flat affect
Dark Circles
Irritability/Anger
Depression
Occasional swollen abdomen
Pain in back/neck
Social Isolation
Limited to no libido
etc.

I will not have intercourse in the morning nor any other sexual activity due to these symptoms.  All sex related activities are at night, shortly before bed due to negative symptoms. 

POIS symptoms last for at least 4/5 days or are continuous if I do not abstain from orgasm.   

Possible help has come from P5P dose of 150mg (3x 50mg) and at least 100mg of zinc per day.
Waiting on Mucuna Pruriens delivery Monday. Hope that it provides some benefit.

Has anyone been tested for low dopamine and found that boosting dopamine has lessened the POIS symptoms?

Thanks everyone!  Never give up. We can figure this out!!!


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« Reply #19686 on: 06/09/2014 03:57:37 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?

Questions to you: Have you ever been on antidepressants? Have you ever tried dopaminergic supplements (maca, B vitamins, certain amino acids)? How does your current diet look like? What other lab tests do you have?

People need to post lab tests because then we might pinpoint something crucial. I'm sure OP would not mind as it would support the research us non-medical, depressed beings do.

Sorry for late reply, I got denied many blood tests because of bureaucracy like thyroid tests for example. It is also expensive to have blood tests wich sucks. No antidepressants. I used aromasin, and mega doses of vitamin b6 and vitamin E. Aromasin reduced estrogen which is a prolactin secretion stimulating agent and the other ones to directly reduce prolactin secretion, and it worked at first, but some 4 days on painkiller opiates set me back. My estrogen is now 27.11 PG/ML from range <=39PG/ML for men, so this time it is opiates fault. Opiates cause dopamine receptor downregulation but at only 4 day usage it could have only worsen a pre -existing condition.

This will seem stupid but I also developed porn (edging) addiction due to my abstinence lifestyle and social anxiety.
This is theorized to cause dopamine down-regulation and reward circuitry malfunction, possibly making the process of healing take longer than it should.
Right now I do not have POIS but rater a long refractory period between 10-24 hours and poor erections. The refractory period for a healthy male is 30 minutes or less and someone my age can masturbate 15 times a day if they wanted to. This sexual hangover causes concentration issues tough.

 I also have suffered many autoimmune issues in the past (read my older posts if you want, although there could be useless stuff there) some caused by antibiotic usage etc. My POIS triggers were Crohn's disease and Prednisone.

Note that there is still research I need to perform and one last theory I did not have faith in at first to investigate.
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« Reply #19687 on: 06/09/2014 04:57:40 »
I had a POIS relapse, and also other symptoms like chronic insomnia, etc.

It turns out that the opiates I took to manage the pain from tonsil removal on a 4 day period elevated my damn prolactin again. I should have known this would happen.

Newest blood test shows this: Prolactin......9.06 NG/mL range for males (<=10)

Inside the stupid range yet feeling like my world is collapsing anyway. I need to get dopamine agonist prescription, yet I am scared if 2 or 3 weeks of usage which is probably all I will ever need will cause withdrawal syndrome, there is no information about short term usage side effects regarding withdrawal that I am aware of and it drives me insane.

I also may need an excuse if my levels are not high enough for qualifying for hyperprolactemia treatment, could social anxiety be a valid excuse (This is something I actually have to some degree thanks to POIS mainly)  or any other mental condition?

Questions to you: Have you ever been on antidepressants? Have you ever tried dopaminergic supplements (maca, B vitamins, certain amino acids)? How does your current diet look like? What other lab tests do you have?

People need to post lab tests because then we might pinpoint something crucial. I'm sure OP would not mind as it would support the research us non-medical, depressed beings do.

My diet is very poor because meat, eggs, soy protein, rice, gluten, most diary products cause autoimmune issues in me so I had to stop them. And yes, meat, eggs, gluten, etc. can activate auto immune responses but you need to learn about nutrition before leaving those, most people fail here.

 My nutrition is a bit complicated so I will discuss it later.

BTW are those dopamine supplements you mentioned a scam?

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« Reply #19688 on: 09/09/2014 07:07:31 »
I bought just such a thing: http://www.iherb.com/Econugenics-PectaClear-Detox-Formula-180-Veggie-Caps/13653. If taken as directed on the bank of 3 pieces in the evening and in the morning, then after ejaculation pois decreases by 70%. Humor does not fall at all, there is a small block, not really thinking clearly. In general, searching in -70%. Checked twice. Why is it so I do not know. I can totally incompetent to make their conclusions that it was some zashlakovka body. All is good and I would use this method on, but confused by reference to the bank: "This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm." This is very annoying. Who has any thoughts? Maybe someone else has any cleaning agents tried?

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« Reply #19689 on: 10/09/2014 00:21:16 »
I bought just such a thing: http://www.iherb.com/Econugenics-PectaClear-Detox-Formula-180-Veggie-Caps/13653 [nofollow]. If taken as directed on the bank of 3 pieces in the evening and in the morning, then after ejaculation pois decreases by 70%. Humor does not fall at all, there is a small block, not really thinking clearly. In general, searching in -70%. Checked twice. Why is it so I do not know. I can totally incompetent to make their conclusions that it was some zashlakovka body. All is good and I would use this method on, but confused by reference to the bank: "This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm." This is very annoying. Who has any thoughts? Maybe someone else has any cleaning agents tried?

I think a lot of us went through the "detox" phase and bought all kinds of supplements. I just received my package of vitamins, but don't have high hopes for it. I don't want to discourage you. By quitting porn and avoiding the computer you will resensitize and upregulate your dopamine receptors higher than you could without taking drugs. Lots of us here are addicted to porn, social websites and everything computer related. That's the reason some feel like superman when they abstain from porn and ejaculation for a long time (2+ weeks). Personally I have a friend I met through similar boards few years ago and he did go 8 months without porn and reported that nothing changed. I asked if he was surfing youtube and social sites, especially for women in nice dresses? He said yes.
Currently there are no supplement for us that could compare with going a long time without masturbation/sex. There are a few who healed, but the ones who recover tend to move on with their life and never report back again because this is a depressing place on the internet to be at.
I still believe in the semen allergy theory and for those who have an addicted personality quitting porn, PMO will not fix the damaged dopamine receptors. One needs to stand up from the chair, go outside and live. I believe this is something arising from our childhood. It is bad parenting and failure to teach us about our limits. I can't imagine anything more addicting than a computer other than drugs like heroine. If you let your child use the computer all the time then he/she will close up to friends and spend all the time inside since friends will not give that rush of high as the computer will. I would like to get a baseball bat and smash this PC to pieces, but the depression would be a killer and would end up buying another one. It's a pity that now I work on this computer for a living. But have spent 15 years abusing my brain with videogames and compulsive internet surfing.
Back to friends - have friends who prefer to be active and not sit at home all the time. Ditch the electronics and see results that no supplement can give you. No PC, no TV, no magazines, no nasty thoughts. Just socialize. I hate to say this, but supporting friends are key to success. It is the way our mind was designed to live for the moment and interact with people and not to sit down in fronft of the computer first thing in the morning and turn it off late in the night.
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« Reply #19690 on: 10/09/2014 21:11:40 »
Started Mucuna Pruriens on Monday and have noticed zero benefit.  Very bummed about that.   I probably have one of the genetic mutations that have an affect on dopamine in my brain. No idea what to do, where to go to deal with this.

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« Reply #19691 on: 11/09/2014 00:19:58 »
Tried Niacin 50 mg dose and it has been 8 hours now and I'm still sweating?!? Anyone could give me some advice? It didn't help with POIS at all! It made no difference! I'm feeling really sick and my stomach is burning too.

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« Reply #19692 on: 11/09/2014 06:58:13 »
Hi all, new to the forums here, but have been aware of this thread and POIS for many years. I do not know if I would consider myself to have POIS. All I know is that I have always felt down, depressed, numb, irritable after sex/orgasm/ejaculation. This lasts for many hours up to a few days. I also believe it effects me emotionally in a subtle way for up to two weeks. Interestingly, I don't seem to have this issue from nocturnal emissions (wet-dreams).

Anyway, years ago I concluded that what I am experiencing is sort of an exaggerated refractory period, so my focus has been on limiting or eliminating the Male Refractory Period. With the guidance of a doctor (who was rather alternative) I tried a few different meds. I tried Cabergoline after having red the Kruger article, but it made virtually no difference. I played around with L-dopa which just made me unstable emotionally. I even went as far as to try some Beta blocker medication that had a side effect of preventing ejaculation. I tried it on one occasion as an experiment and needless to say it does block ejaculation, but has no effect on the Post Orgasm symptoms or refractory period. That to me made it clear that my issues at least are orgasm induced, and not caused by ejaculation itself.

Anyway, I eventually became tired of looking for solutions and started just avoiding ejaculating during sex for months at a time. Let's just say that women I have been with have not been particularly understanding about it and seemed bothered by the idea of me avoiding orgasm/ejaculation. Part of my interest in avoiding orgasm came from reading the book "Cupid's Poisoned Arrow" and it's associated websited reuniting.info. However, I must say that cutting orgasm out of my life entirely wasn't that great of an idea. I to a large degree lost interest in sex in general and even though I enjoyed the stability, it just took something away from me that I don't think I want to lose. Then the last couple years, I have just sort of ignored the problem as much as I could as thinking about it often has made me feel helpless and alone.

I am now looking to go to grad school to study something along the lines of behavioral neuroscience. I am trying to make sure I get a well rounded education that could enable me to in the future look into things like POS. I am also very interested in other psychology issues such as emotion and consciousness, so I felt Behavioral Neurosci would give me a broad enough education in order to get involved in all kinds of things later.

Anyway, I have a renewed desire to start learning more about POIS and post-orgasm issues in general.

I came across this article: newbielink:http://faculties.sbu.ac.ir/~salehi/hypothesis.pdf [nonactive]
I know you guys spoke about GnIH antagonists in around 2010. The guys who wrote the above article seem think that's the simplest way of limiting or eliminating the refractory period. I think I red comments here that suggest that it is a problematic solution. Anyone care to share their thoughts on this and clarify? This thread is long and complex so any summaries are greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #19693 on: 15/09/2014 19:58:00 »
Guys, one of the smarties here could PLEASE explain to me why I lose intelligence and creativity after orgasm? Why I feel like my IQ literally doubles if I abstain? I don't even give a damn if I will never cure, but WHAT is the reason for this? Is it just monoamine levels being unbalanced? Is it a receptor issue rather than neurotransmitter levels? Is it hormones? What is it?
I'm gonna lose my job if I can't focus. During meetings I just can't keep up with conversations. I'm highly thinking of doing drugs to be able to keep up with business partners. I've been raised not to ever do harmful drugs and can't believe this is my destiny...to go this far. Any input is appreciated!

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« Reply #19694 on: 16/09/2014 08:48:27 »
Hi everybody, happy to know I am not the only one.
800 pages of posts are really a lot to read, so I go for my easy question: have enyone tryed boostind the dopamine levels? I am going to try starting today and will let you know the results. Why dopamine? After ejaculation when dopamine is low, prolactin is high.  Prolactin is what make us feel tired after sex, but should stay high only for a short period of time until dopamine kicks back in. If dopamine stays low because of dopamine deficency, prolactin stays high for a long time and make us feel unconfortable. Crazy theory made by me last night. Time to test it.

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« Reply #19695 on: 16/09/2014 17:03:50 »
Hey guys. How is everyone doing? I haven't been here in a while, would anyone like to catch me up on recent news?

Anyway, I'm doing an AMA, which is basically on online question and answer session, about POIS on a site called reddit. I'm making this post as proof, but feel free to check in and participate. Link is here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2gkkdg/iama_guy_with_post_orgasmic_illness_syndrome_ama/ [nofollow]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19696 on: 18/09/2014 05:58:46 »
Not so long ago I was joking with becoming a Buddhist Monk, if the remaining supp in my repertoire fails to change this state of mind. It was Carnitine. I tried both ALCAR and Carnitine fumarate. Like always, it had placebo effects on me. I didn't wanted to give up so I decided to completely eliminate porn from my life and go on a 30 days abstaining without touching myself, without youtube fetish videos, without girls in swimsuit on social sites etc.

This is my 5th day and I feel fantastic! I have been credited for my recent work by highly respected colleagues. The cloud of depression is shifting, and I actually did pushups and dips for the first time this year. The irrational thinking is gone and no longer have to rely on benzos to sleep. Sleep is still messed up. I got no erections at all (which helps me achieve my goal of 30+ days). I've got that "drive" in life and want to do and learn new things without the brainfog. Adrenals are pretty messed up. Severe fatigue and brainfog at daytime, but superhero at night with a sharp brain. Literally doing so much work in under 3 hours that used to take me 5 days to complete. I'm hoping to fix my sleep cycle to maximize these benefits. I'm looking forward to grow full beard and get results in the gym for the first time in my life. No other supplement or diet made me feel this awesome. Not even close. This is what we need to seek - this feeling of awesomeness & well-being.  [O8)]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19697 on: 19/09/2014 21:53:10 »
Yesterday I started to have erections first time in 5 days of abstaining and I noticed an immediate decline in intelligence and creativity. This remained today as well. No porn were involved. It sounds like some kind of brain-, neuroinflammation. Like PTSD? I thought about sex and shortly after I had the cloud of depression remain that's now 24+ hours. Could the porn use in childhood create such PTSD that the sexual imaginations lead to the effects like picturing blood, murder and horror? Maybe that's why I get depressed? The possibilities are so endless we will never find a cure.  [V]
« Last Edit: 19/09/2014 21:57:50 by desperate man »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19698 on: 21/09/2014 22:24:24 »
Hi guys,
I am very glad about having found this forum a few weeks before, because until then i was sure to be the only one suffering from POIS. I would like to invite german speaking people concerned to the forum I founded today: newbielink:http://pois.forumieren.com/ [nonactive]
Best wishes!!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19699 on: 22/09/2014 15:23:16 »
hello everyone.
    has anyone tried resveratrol ? One member has very good results with resveratrol. i have not tried it. i am going to try it . tomorrow i may buy it. in the past in this forum some users reported success with blueberry juices, etc. blueberry juice contains resveratrol. i think it is worth to try resveratrol.