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« Reply #19900 on: 08/08/2015 17:52:31 »
Happy to read that, John !
I take it since one year now. I reject all possible placebo effect, it simply works against Pois.
I don't know how does it work. I just made a bloodtest this week and maybe I will have some info soon.
At the start I had a strong anti-anxiety effect, anti-muscle tremors and even... anti-premature ejaculation. Does taurine help with magnesium or boost testosterone or avoid dopamine drop after ejaculation ? But something is working that is clear.
Now, I take only 500mg before ejaculation. I have a very little fear that excess of taurine can affect testicles.

BJim, the other benefits that you have had with Taurine are very interesting: anti-anxiety, anti-PE, etc. So are you saying that these effects have diminished with subsequent Taurine use? By how much? What about the anti-POIS effect, has it diminished in effectiveness?

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« Reply #19901 on: 09/08/2015 07:42:33 »
What about the anti-POIS effect, has it diminished in effectiveness?
About the Pois symptoms, I can confirm it's still effective. After one year, I think placebo effect must be over.
I can give you a number :
My taurine level is 58 ùmol/L   (range   : 37  to  127), quite low after taking 500mg a day during 1 year.

For anxiety, it's hard to say. I'm clearly less anxious now but I don't think taurine will help anxiety. It helped my Pois which is my anxiety source, so it helped but not directly.

For PE, I had the feeling it helped during the first weeks. Now, it's less clear. I'm a severe case of PE, so I don't know. Taurine may have a real muscle relaxant effect and then it could help with PE.


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« Reply #19902 on: 09/08/2015 12:28:14 »
Happy to read that, John !
I take it since one year now. I reject all possible placebo effect, it simply works against Pois.
I don't know how does it work. I just made a bloodtest this week and maybe I will have some info soon.
At the start I had a strong anti-anxiety effect, anti-muscle tremors and even... anti-premature ejaculation. Does taurine help with magnesium or boost testosterone or avoid dopamine drop after ejaculation ? But something is working that is clear.
Now, I take only 500mg before ejaculation. I have a very little fear that excess of taurine can affect testicles.
Taurine increases the neurotransmitter GABA which reduces anxiety. Sulfurous compounds such as taurine are low when there's a methylation disorder; goes together with reduced methionine, cysteine and glutathione.
You could try taking SAM-e which should increase methylation and taurine levels.
See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7809579

The other route is methylfolate supplementation and I've talked about that extensively elsewhere so there's no point in revisiting it.

Other reasons for low taurine are fungal infections and anaerobic bacterial overgrowth in the gut. The human genome is relatively small and we enjoy a symbiotic relationship with bacteria that partially or completely take over some enzymatic reactions required for health. We're only about 10% human and the rest is bacteria and fungi living on and in our bodies. The bacterial balance changes in response to diet or infection so we owe it to ourselves to eat more fibre, more healthy polyphenols (eat a "rainbow" of colours every day) and less starch/carbs.

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« Reply #19903 on: 09/08/2015 12:55:58 »
For those interested: Press release on July 6, 2015
Testosterone Deficiency in Adult Men (ISSM)

http://www.issm.info/news/issms-process-of-care-for-the-assessment-and-management-of-testosterone-def/

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« Reply #19904 on: 09/08/2015 14:00:18 »
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Taurine increases the neurotransmitter GABA which reduces anxiety. Sulfurous compounds such as taurine are low when there's a methylation disorder; goes together with reduced methionine, cysteine and glutathione.
You could try taking SAM-e which should increase methylation and taurine levels.
See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7809579

The other route is methylfolate supplementation and I've talked about that extensively elsewhere so there's no point in revisiting it.

Other reasons for low taurine are fungal infections and anaerobic bacterial overgrowth in the gut. The human genome is relatively small and we enjoy a symbiotic relationship with bacteria that partially or completely take over some enzymatic reactions required for health. We're only about 10% human and the rest is bacteria and fungi living on and in our bodies. The bacterial balance changes in response to diet or infection so we owe it to ourselves to eat more fibre, more healthy polyphenols (eat a "rainbow" of colours every day) and less starch/carbs.

One thing about anxiolytic meds the effect is short and the dosage must be increased to keep the same efficiency. Agree about methylation.
About digestive system, one important point I discovered is about 50% of dopamine is release in pancreas/gut ("mesentric organs")
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9360553
. The results show that mesenteric organs produce close to half of the dopamine formed in the body, most of which is unlikely to be derived from sympathetic nerves but may reflect production in a novel nonneuronal dopaminergic system
An increasing  number of Poisers and myself find an improvement by diet/or fasting.

The basic idea I suggest here is :
-Dopamine drops after ejaculation ( orgasm=> neutrotransmitters = fireworks show and semen = rich in catecholamins).
- when we leave these organs alone, they regenerate quickly  dopamine loss.

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« Reply #19905 on: 09/08/2015 14:02:53 »
What about the anti-POIS effect, has it diminished in effectiveness?
About the Pois symptoms, I can confirm it's still effective. After one year, I think placebo effect must be over.
I can give you a number :
My taurine level is 58 ùmol/L   (range   : 37  to  127), quite low after taking 500mg a day during 1 year.

For anxiety, it's hard to say. I'm clearly less anxious now but I don't think taurine will help anxiety. It helped my Pois which is my anxiety source, so it helped but not directly.

For PE, I had the feeling it helped during the first weeks. Now, it's less clear. I'm a severe case of PE, so I don't know. Taurine may have a real muscle relaxant effect and then it could help with PE.


Ok thanks, I was interested as I'm in the same boat of having a severe case of PE, it is good to hear of potential assistance.

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« Reply #19906 on: 09/08/2015 14:25:33 »
Yes, I think it is something you could give a try. 
There a lot of factors for PE (skin sensivity, shyness/excitation, controle of some muscles...)

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« Reply #19907 on: 09/08/2015 18:15:51 »
Hi 4everfogged, great to see that POIS is being considered in these conferences. I saw 2 doctors which I met up with in Montreal that are included in this document.

Presently Im looking into my serotonin levels. My doctor at McGill told me they think the psychological symptoms are caused by a dramatic decline in serotonin levels. I am currently using Mood Support from NOW foods with good results in terms of cognitive symptoms.

What I have been noticing though is that some days (3,4) I begin to feel better when I wake up but later during the day anxiety and brain fog appear. I think that maybe inflammation by cytokines may be what is hindering the production of serotonin. This in my mind would cause the mood fluctuations when the symptoms are gradually going away..

I have recently been thinking of buying SAMe supplements to increase serotonin levels. Has anybody tried this?

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« Reply #19908 on: 13/08/2015 03:01:21 »
Hi, 28 year old male here, Wondering if anyone had similar POIS like symptoms where General body muscle tension seemed to spike significantly in the days follow orgasm to recover to more normal muscle tension after 1 week. Been suffering with this for 10 years..

My doctors diagnosed me with chronic fatigue syndrome, and CNS hyper sensitivity disorder, Generalized anxiety disorder, bipolar which i have been receiving treatment for a while. I try to tell the doctors that my symptoms are all made ten times worse by orgasm, I can go through sex without orgasm and be fine, but as soon as i orgasm my whole body gets thrown for a loop. The doctors seem to be baffled as to how sex can be causing all my symptoms be become so much worse, they tend to ignore it believing that sex should be helping my conditions not hurting. I wonder to myself are these doctors missing something if they can't explain why sex is so bad for me.

My progression of symptoms following orgasm tends to go  5-10 min of feeling relaxed followed by a gradual increase in muscle tension(muscles in general start becoming more spasmy), This muscle tension keeps increasing until I go to sleep that day, On the first night after orgasm I always get night sweats and drench my sheets. When I wake up it calms down a bit however as the day progresses the muscle tension becomes quite extreme into the evenings. The muscles become so tense and locked up that they start to pinch tendons/ligaments/nerves etc,  Literally every joint and point where theres a muscle tendon in a tight spot will have impingement like problems. Its worst though areas directly off the spine neck/back, I get the worst migraine headache you can imagine with my neck muscles feel like they are squeezing themselves to death on their own.   Day 2 it gets pretty bad, day 3 it peaks out at the worst, day 4 symptoms start to lesson and by about week i recover and most of the symptoms lessen. 

Some other symptoms in addition to the muscle tension is I have is my head feels very sore deep down in addition to the general tension headaches, It becomes painful to even think. Feeling joy / happiness is painfully uncomfortable for me as it seems to push my mind into a manic unstable state.  Hyper sensitivity to everything goes through the roof I literally want to lock myself in a room with no lights / no sound / with nobody touching me.  In general my body feels weak when walking and I my balance starts to become shaky.  I have to limit my movement because it feels like moving too much agitates my nervous system too much. Anxiety levels start to become high, with my chest being very tight and painful.



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« Reply #19909 on: 13/08/2015 03:34:00 »
Hello greg34.

Just a quick note - mine symptoms are absolutely identical, with all these tension headaches, muscle spaspms, joint pains etc. And excessive sweating too, not only during sleep, but generally. And for me it's the opposite - more tension in the morning, eventually decreasing by the end of day.
The only remedy that really helps are NSAIDs, sauna sometimes (but not at first 2-3 days after orgasm, bit later when spasms start to subside) and strong alcohol (not an option during weekdays, yeah). And also exercising helps (running, the longer distance the better, as far as achievable given the condition you're in), probably since it has some anti-inflammatory effect as well.

I've been investigating possible autoimmune origin of that and done some blood tests, but all came out normal (normal range in brackets):
- Aldolase = 3,00 U/L ( <7,5 )
- CPK (Creatine phosphokinase test) = 173 U/L (39 - 308)
- C-reactive protein = 0,90 ( <1,0 )
- Bilirubin (3 types) = all normal
- AST (aspartate aminotransferase) = 19 U/L ( <40 )
- ALT = 35 U/L ( <41)
- GGT (Gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase) = 42 U/L ( <60 )
- Rheumatoid Factor (RF) = 13,1 ( <14 ) - probably elevated, on the higher boundry

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« Reply #19910 on: 13/08/2015 19:03:19 »
i wonder if anyone here also experience loose facial muscles after o???everytime after i have a o, within 1-2 weeks my face will look very skinny and loose.
anyone here have this issue as well???do you know how to sort it?

thanks
dean

I also get loose/sagging flesh post orgasm, especially in my face. I've found that fenugreek and saw palmetto help the most with this for me.

Thanks for the reply, I am glad that I am not alone in this. And I am wondering how fenugreek and saw palmetto is helping you??who recommend you to take them?? And do you notice any differences between o from masturbation and o from having sex in term of getting loose face muscle???Also I know they are herbs but can you develop tolerance to them over a period of time???

Fenugreek and saw palmetto have helped other pois sufferers here. I learned about those herbs here. I've been taking both for years now and I haven't noticed any loss of efficacy. They are more effective if taken ~15 min prior to orgasm, but I take the fenugreek in the morning since it keeps me awake if I take it at night. I'm not sure exactly how they work, but I feel like they help with inflammation. I don't notice any difference between an o from masturbation and an o from sexual intercourse. My symptoms appear within minutes after ejac either way.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #19911 on: 14/08/2015 08:21:54 »
I think vitamin B6 may be something important for methylation and/or Pois itself.
Some food rich in B6 like spinach, garlic or salmon seems to help.
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« Reply #19912 on: 14/08/2015 09:48:00 »
In a previous post when I mentioned/advised PoisGuy or newbies to try starting off with as healthy diet as possible. I mentioned soyamilk but must also mention that for some......you might be better off with other options such as cocomilk. Reason is in case of allergies, it's probably/usually less likely to be allergic to cocomilk. And also most importantly many websites claim that a problamatic thyroid gland and soyamilk don't go hand in hand.

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« Reply #19913 on: 14/08/2015 12:02:52 »
This entire past week, every morning at around 9:00AM I had my blood drawn. My doc wanted to check if he could find anything significant before and after O. The only thing that caught his attention is Prolactin, but not sure if anything significant. I had an O after 2nd blood test but about 2,5-3 hours before 3rd blood test.

P.S: My mental symptoms are generally the worst on day 2 and sometimes seem just as bad on day 3 though they can start off within minutes. I also don’t know if this test had any significance if comparing with my previous situation as with my new diet approach I generally feel better off, but obviously if I’d start having a O on a weekly basis again then I believe to turn back to square one, because especially after a 3rd weekend in a row I’d start feeling pretty strained/depressed. I believe intensity of suffering depends on various factors depending how tired I am, stress, activated allergies, etc.. My doc only planned this test a few days before start. I had O a week before that but none in the 2 weeks before that. For this test my symptoms were most certainly not of the worst. I suspect to have a difficult time if I’d have O sometime this weekend because already feel prostate area under pressure as this is not always the case!!!
Perhaps this test would have been more interesting to compare the same with previous diet.
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« Reply #19914 on: 15/08/2015 20:21:09 »
Chris MacMahon .pdf about Pois :  link


Well, that's my forearm :D

Have any of you, the new ones, tried to take niacine?

Best Regards,
« Last Edit: 15/08/2015 20:25:09 by observercenter »

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« Reply #19915 on: 16/08/2015 00:22:09 »
One thing about anxiolytic meds the effect is short and the dosage must be increased to keep the same efficiency. Agree about methylation.
About digestive system, one important point I discovered is about 50% of dopamine is release in pancreas/gut ("mesentric organs")
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9360553
. The results show that mesenteric organs produce close to half of the dopamine formed in the body, most of which is unlikely to be derived from sympathetic nerves but may reflect production in a novel nonneuronal dopaminergic system
An increasing  number of Poisers and myself find an improvement by diet/or fasting.

The basic idea I suggest here is :
-Dopamine drops after ejaculation ( orgasm=> neutrotransmitters = fireworks show and semen = rich in catecholamins).
- when we leave these organs alone, they regenerate quickly  dopamine loss.

That's interesting. I did not know the 50% of dopamine came from out digestive organs. I can buy your theory.  I am another poiser who gets some relief from by avoiding certain foods (grains especially). I have noticed I get significant cognitive improvement and energy boost with the less I eat (fasting). Alas I am underweight so it is the opposite of what I want. I believe I am dopamine deficient, from articles I have read on neurotransmitters and also from doing Dr. Eric Braverman's The Edge Effect questionnaire (very low dopamine was the standout for me). While doctors have no problem writing a script out for meds to boost serotonin (without any pathology test to back it up), its a very different story when it comes to getting help for suspected low dopamine.

Taking supps as recommended in his book/newsletter did not really help me all that much with regards to boosting dopamine from what I could feel. I am trialling taurine and I wish I could say it was working for me,but I have to admit I have not taken it just prior to orgasm...yet.

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« Reply #19916 on: 16/08/2015 08:41:23 »
That's interesting. I did not know the 50% of dopamine came from out digestive organs. I can buy your theory.  I am another poiser who gets some relief from by avoiding certain foods (grains especially). I have noticed I get significant cognitive improvement and energy boost with the less I eat (fasting).

Hi acronym,
You might have missed this article. I think it was a guy from poiscenter that came up with this article.
A good read.

Gut instincts: The secrets of your second brain
http://neurosciencestuff.tumblr.com/post/38271759345/gut-instincts-the-secrets-of-your-second-brain

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« Reply #19917 on: 16/08/2015 17:06:34 »
For those who have not seen this yet, this is an excellent video...(for when you have time.....1hour)

Gut bacteria and mind control: to fix your brain, fix your gut!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mioR_WrkRaU

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« Reply #19918 on: 16/08/2015 19:35:47 »
I learned that from the age of between 3 to 4 months I ended up with bronchitis. I had to stay several days for recovery in a clinic.
I wonder what rubbish they injected in me ? Antibiotics!!!
From then on I was one big cry baby as told!!!
Also before the age of 4 I went through another set of injections as I seemed to be very allergic to pollen!!! (need to still find out more details about this pollen part)

But nowadays since I use Probiotics I can sense improvements in my wellbeing (though still a lot of work to do)

Does this ring the bells!!! I guess this would also make sense why I get these chest spasm's

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« Reply #19919 on: 17/08/2015 01:58:58 »
For those who have not seen this yet, this is an excellent video...(for when you have time.....1hour)

Gut bacteria and mind control: to fix your brain, fix your gut!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mioR_WrkRaU
thats very long and I dont think I have enough data allowance to watch the whole thing can you give a brief summary of this??Many many thanks :D

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« Reply #19920 on: 17/08/2015 17:01:27 »
Hey guys,

just a quick FYI that there is a growing Facebook group called Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1457009341209480/?fref=ts) that you can join if you have an fbook account.

I've noticed that of late many discussion forums are ending up on facebook as it is pretty well designed for discussing specialist topics in groups.  Since the poiscenter forum seems to have bitten the dust this could be a good option for those of us who like our discussions to be a bit more organised.

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« Reply #19921 on: 18/08/2015 09:36:17 »
thats very long and I dont think I have enough data allowance to watch the whole thing can you give a brief summary of this??Many many thanks :D

It's a powerpoint presentation based on microbiota studies since 2000. It basically proves how a healthy diet with probiotics and prebiotics can be very beneficial. And the damage that antibiotics can do.  They also mention the vagus nerve in cases of damage or blockage...

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« Reply #19922 on: 19/08/2015 08:03:09 »
For those who have not noticed poiscenter is running again:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php
or
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=recent



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« Reply #19924 on: 21/08/2015 10:10:38 »
For those who have not noticed poiscenter is running again:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php
or
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=recent

Still broken for me.

That's strange. I got access at this very moment. Perhaps it was offline for a short period at one stage!!! Few days ago I temporarily couldn’t access NSF either.
Tip: Careful with spam though, especially on Poiscenter with Russian text. Admin will eventually remove it. If you curious or hesitate on clicking unfamiliar text, rather copy/paste it first in google translate which will explain if POIS related or not.

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« Reply #19925 on: 25/08/2015 12:09:15 »
This entire past week, every morning at around 9:00AM I had my blood drawn. My doc wanted to check if he could find anything significant before and after O. The only thing that caught his attention is Prolactin, but not sure if anything significant. I had an O after 2nd blood test but about 2,5-3 hours before 3rd blood test.

P.S: My mental symptoms are generally the worst on day 2 and sometimes seem just as bad on day 3 though they can start off within minutes. I also don’t know if this test had any significance if comparing with my previous situation as with my new diet approach I generally feel better off, but obviously if I’d start having a O on a weekly basis again then I believe to turn back to square one, because especially after a 3rd weekend in a row I’d start feeling pretty strained/depressed. I believe intensity of suffering depends on various factors depending how tired I am, stress, activated allergies, etc.. My doc only planned this test a few days before start. I had O a week before that but none in the 2 weeks before that. For this test my symptoms were most certainly not of the worst. I suspect to have a difficult time if I’d have O sometime this weekend because already feel prostate area under pressure as this is not always the case!!!
Perhaps this test would have been more interesting to compare the same with previous diet.

Not that it would be important but just to complete a small detail, which I did not have at the time of the post on 14/08. My prolactin reading for 14/08 that I was confirmed a few days later was measured at 9,5. (Same reading as was on 08/08; you'd have to go back to my old post to see readings on other days)

Another detail I'd like to share besides prolactin, on the one blood test I simultaneously had lipase checked the reading was:
107 reference: <60 U/L

Lipase has important role in digestion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipase

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« Reply #19926 on: 25/08/2015 19:58:01 »
Hey guys,

Thank you so much for sharing your theories regarding niacin and Pois.

I get severe pois. The day after an O, my nervous system goes bananas. I also get bad social anxiety days after.


I would like to share my theory:

1. Orgasm raises adrenaline levels
http://uk.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_250/271b_love_tip.html

2. Hypothesis:
Our bodies / thyroids / glands can not "burn out"/metabolize excessive adrenaline

3.
Symptoms of excessive adrenaline
https://www.womentowomen.com/adrenal-health-2/symptoms-adrenal-fatigue/

4.
Niacin metabolizes/"burns out" adrenaline
http://www.livestrong.com/article/408424-niacin-anxiety/

(Niacin can also be used to treat PTSD (- maybe excessive adrenaline?)
and Abram Hoffer´s work with treating schizofrenia with niacin is
based on niacin´s ability to handle excessive adrenaline.. therefore
protecting the individual against "adrenochromes".
http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml)


Long story short.

Our body cannot metabolize/"burn out" excessive adrenaline
-> Niacin takes care of this

Feel free to comment.


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« Reply #19927 on: 26/08/2015 06:56:27 »


Another detail I'd like to share besides prolactin, on the one blood test I simultaneously had lipase checked the reading was:
107 reference: <60 U/L

Lipase has important role in digestion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipase

Interesting. I have high lipase too (134 U/L if i remember).
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« Reply #19928 on: 07/09/2015 18:10:39 »
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...
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« Reply #19929 on: 09/09/2015 12:22:59 »
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...

I know!!! I’ve also been through the same thoughts but there are some techniques that can get that partly under control. I’ve managed to feel much much better during non POIS period, but it’s taken me a lot of effort. If you go through my old posts you will see that my step number one is to live on a diet as healthy as possible, make sure you stick to a routine that gives you enough rest (I’ve been lucky enough to not be working so it’s easier – that’s if I can call this luck cause in reality I’d prefer being continuously employed). It takes a lot of time for your body to come up with results with diet and all the rest. For each different food that you about to eat….give it a thought. For Breakfast eat rather 2 or 3 pieces of fruit cut up and mixed with greek yogurt and 2 table spoons of pure coco powder. Eat loads of veg with fish or chicken for lunch time (0% starch). With whatever is happening inside our body it seems we are unable to process digestion and absorption of starch and unhealthy foods in combination with this adrenaline issue. We are ultra-sensitive to these so called bad foods that worsens our fatigue and then you get all that unnecessary feeling of not being able to stay focused enough as all the irritation that comes with it during the day. Do some daily fast walking in the morning or afternoon. But not too much late in the evening. Make sure you’ve figured out what all you could be allergic too. If you still struggling “heavily” in 2 to 3 months you either not resting enough or you have some other underlying issue. Besides whatever technique’s or pre packs (supplements) you take before and after ejaculation. Some daily vitamins + supplements are also helpful. Avoiding stress also helps loads.

I’ve managed to feel at least 70% or even 80% better off during non POIS as long as I manage to stick to my routine…..there does not seem to be an easier way out….Some do a lot of yoga or meditation but I think that is mainly a stress control technique. If you focus yourself on a healthy routine I believe it can be equally beneficial.
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« Reply #19930 on: 09/09/2015 12:42:53 »
I registered on poiscenter 2 days ago but have not received confirmation response yet!!! I hope someone will find my mail between all that spam.

Those guys doing all that spam should be tracked and reported to authorities in the same way that paedophiles are taken care of.

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« Reply #19931 on: 10/09/2015 15:33:48 »
I registered on poiscenter 2 days ago but have not received confirmation response yet!!! I hope someone will find my mail between all that spam.

Those guys doing all that spam should be tracked and reported to authorities in the same way that paedophiles are taken care of.


4everfogged --

Poiscenter is setting up a new anti-spam program, so for now it's not possible to register a new account there on your own.

You can send poiscenter's administrator, Daveman, a private message (his email is listed on the registration form that you can find on the site's registration page. Please include the username that you used in your registration email, as well as your personal email address. He'll be able to search for your registration form and unblock it. You'll then receive an email to let you know that your registration has been approved.

Best wishes,
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« Reply #19932 on: 12/09/2015 14:04:04 »

4everfogged --

Poiscenter is setting up a new anti-spam program, so for now it's not possible to register a new account there on your own.

You can send poiscenter's administrator, Daveman, a private message (his email is listed on the registration form that you can find on the site's registration page. Please include the username that you used in your registration email, as well as your personal email address. He'll be able to search for your registration form and unblock it. You'll then receive an email to let you know that your registration has been approved.

Best wishes,
Stef
Thanks stef

I gave it another try 2 days ago, just by sending another email with a username. Still no response yet, will be patient...

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19933 on: 17/09/2015 01:28:33 »
In detail, what has helped me is I've gone 100% completely gluten-free, along with a few other similar items that I cannot handle properly such as buckwheat, corn and other ingredients even included in some gluten-free foods that I have a negative reaction to, especially in pasta and gf pasta (im still in the process of finding pasta I can eat without bad brain reactions).  These reactions were all heavily "brain" based from bad mood to foggy inflammation-brain like feelings with some intestinal upset, but the brain reactions were much worse.  For me its all about trying it out and seeing if it negatively affects me or not... if it affects me negatively, and I will know within 30 minutes to an hour, I put it on a list of foods I cannot eat.  So this is what has helped me.  If you try it and it works for you than great, but if you do try it you have to try it for at least 3 weeks and than see how you feel.  And when I say 100% I mean 100% gluten-free.  If you want to you can than reintroduce it to your diet and if you feel bad than you may have found something that you should stay away from.  Good luck to everybody.

Congratulations!

How did you figure out that this is what would help you? What was your process? Did you see doctors? Try supplements? How did you get to this?

What exactly is your diet? Is it just gluten-free? Low FODMAP? 4everfogged wrote about eliminating all "starch foods" -- doesn't that mean eliminating all plant foods?

Could you give some examples of the foods that you do eat? An example of what you eat on a typical day?


Yes I can and I would like to start off saying after about 9 years of this I am effectively cured.  I left a huge thing on POIS center just a minute ago so I would encourage you to look at that.

I saw a lot of doctors all to no avail.  In the end it was me that solved this.  The thing that started this was that during POIS as I would refrain from having an O.  I would notive that pasta would make me feel totally like sheot.  No joke very terrible.  So I still couldn't really believe that that is what was causing my POIS so it took me a long time to get started on the diet.  On a typical morning I can eat--- Rice Chex (all of rice chex is gluten free --- Eggs --- Milk --- Gluten free bread (make sure it is made with brown rice flour! not any other crap, for now that is the only "flour" I can handle and it is supposed to be universally tolerated and healthy... again some GF breads contain buckwheat flour, sorghum flour etc. all of which I can't handle... Stick to brown rice flour! --- Bacon --- brown rice flour pancakes --- peaches --- pears --- etc... it all has to be gluten and corn free... 

For lunch I usually have a Gluten Free sandwich made with brown rice flour with chicken, turkey, roast beef, mayonnaise is good --- applesauce --- any combination of GF and CF (gluten free corn free) foods

For dinner really anything GF and CF --- Chicken --- French Fries from McDonalds or Burger King is good and GF --- GRILLED Southwest Salad with the corn and chips removed from McDonalds --- Salad from burger king with GF and CF ingredients --- mashed potatoes --- vegetables --- maybe a REESES mcflurry from mcdonalds is ok --- lol I eat more that McDonalds I'm just thinking of foods I can eat.  --- Burger on brown rice flour bread ---  I can tolerate Doritos TO A DEGREE because it has corn in it but it is still better than eating straight corn... it can cause bad effects especially if a lot are consumed so I would recommend against it.

Again I just left a huge thing on POIS center so I'd encourage you to look at that.

I still eat starchy foods.  Not sure what you mean by FODMAP

Good luck guys!  Please check out my post at pois center!
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« Reply #19934 on: 21/09/2015 18:38:52 »
I cut most wheat out of my diet about 3 weeks ago and started feeling a lot healthier just a few days in. I've been eating rice & beans, meat, potatoes, carrots, eggs, bananas, etc...I'll go into it in more detail if the improvement holds.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19935 on: 05/10/2015 20:04:18 »



< former Moderator visiting periodically [:)] >

Just wanted to pop my head in and wish everyone well from POISCenter as I go into surgery this week.

Best wishes to all of you for a POIS-free or at least POIS-reduced 2015/2016 !!

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« Reply #19936 on: 06/10/2015 20:54:29 »
We wish you the best for the surgery and we hope you will go back soon in good shape !


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« Reply #19937 on: 07/10/2015 22:35:26 »
You're attempting to force reproductive separation in a compromised way.  Not engaging in sexual activity is a good idea. 

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« Reply #19938 on: 08/10/2015 02:36:56 »
We wish you the best for the surgery and we hope you will go back soon in good shape !



Thank you, B_Jim!!

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« Reply #19939 on: 10/10/2015 06:13:36 »
Hey folks, I haven't been on in a while but I have found a supplement that has almost cured my pois. The only problems I am still having are the post cortial facial pressure and occasional heart palpitations which are cured by a dose of hawthorn berry.  I have been using the kyani health triangle for almost a month and feel so good I decided to become a distributor and see if I could help other pois sufferers. If anyone is interested you can order at this link. https://parkerchris.kyani.net

If you are skeptical I will send out free samples, so there is no risk.

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« Reply #19940 on: 10/10/2015 17:41:02 »
hey guys,  during pois i feel lot of heat from inside....followed by  sweating ,increased thrist  and urine yellow in color.Again sometimes i feel rather cool with little shiver....does this happen to everyone....sometimes  hot and sometimes cool.

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« Reply #19941 on: 10/10/2015 18:05:41 »
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...

I know!!! I’ve also been through the same thoughts but there are some techniques that can get that partly under control. I’ve managed to feel much much better during non POIS period, but it’s taken me a lot of effort. If you go through my old posts you will see that my step number one is to live on a diet as healthy as possible, make sure you stick to a routine that gives you enough rest (I’ve been lucky enough to not be working so it’s easier – that’s if I can call this luck cause in reality I’d prefer being continuously employed). It takes a lot of time for your body to come up with results with diet and all the rest. For each different food that you about to eat….give it a thought. For Breakfast eat rather 2 or 3 pieces of fruit cut up and mixed with greek yogurt and 2 table spoons of pure coco powder. Eat loads of veg with fish or chicken for lunch time (0% starch). With whatever is happening inside our body it seems we are unable to process digestion and absorption of starch and unhealthy foods in combination with this adrenaline issue. We are ultra-sensitive to these so called bad foods that worsens our fatigue and then you get all that unnecessary feeling of not being able to stay focused enough as all the irritation that comes with it during the day. Do some daily fast walking in the morning or afternoon. But not too much late in the evening. Make sure you’ve figured out what all you could be allergic too. If you still struggling “heavily” in 2 to 3 months you either not resting enough or you have some other underlying issue. Besides whatever technique’s or pre packs (supplements) you take before and after ejaculation. Some daily vitamins + supplements are also helpful. Avoiding stress also helps loads.

I’ve managed to feel at least 70% or even 80% better off during non POIS as long as I manage to stick to my routine…..there does not seem to be an easier way out….Some do a lot of yoga or meditation but I think that is mainly a stress control technique. If you focus yourself on a healthy routine I believe it can be equally beneficial.
thank you foreverfogged.... i have also changed the diet recently .....turned to veggies and fruits...good improvement is seen on the overall physical appearance....was like a patient earlier  .  moreover the saggy face that comes after is improved ( have also began taking a glass of electrolyte water before and after O , maybe it reduced defydration)....

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« Reply #19942 on: 11/10/2015 00:12:05 »
So I did some google searching and I found out that the majority of my pois symptoms are also signs of dehydration(fever, thirst, sagging face, mood disorder,dark eye circles, loss of energy ect. ) Do you think theres a link like somehow orgasim dehydrated us??

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« Reply #19943 on: 13/10/2015 14:58:01 »
No, I don't think so.

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« Reply #19944 on: 15/10/2015 20:31:35 »
thank you foreverfogged.... i have also changed the diet recently .....turned to veggies and fruits...good improvement is seen on the overall physical appearance....was like a patient earlier  .  moreover the saggy face that comes after is improved ( have also began taking a glass of electrolyte water before and after O , maybe it reduced defydration)....

Hi abnormal8340

Glad to hear you have improvements with diet change. Sounds like your symtoms severity are changing location from head to body from your previous post.

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« Reply #19945 on: 20/10/2015 23:39:59 »
Here are my (out of range) results from a heavy metals urine test:
Unprovoked:
Mercury => High Normal
Nickel    => Very High
Lead     =>  Normal

Provoked:
Mercury => High
Nickel    => Very High
Lead     => High

Has anyone else here had this test done? I am seriously considering if POIS might be related to heavy metals. Perhaps at orgasm the body dumps a massave amount of stored heavy metals into circulation, causing our symptoms.  Maybe the foods that have helped POIS have done so by assisting in chelation. I personally have found reduction in symptoms from eating garlic, spinach, and blueberries. Garlic is definitely a chelator, maybe the others are somehow as well. There is one particular event in my life that stands out as possible evidence of this theory. One night after I had sex I ended up sleeping in a car on a hot summer night. In the morning it was roasting hot with the sun beaming on me. That day on waking my diplopia was gone and I had no POIS. So how could that be related to heavy metals? Well,  sweating is one of the ways that the body eliminates toxins. If this theory is correct it could be exactly what we all need to prevent the POIS symptoms, to sweat alot! 

I am going to begin chelation before long. I will post if my diplopia or insomnia improves. I will not be able to analyze any POIS effects as I am chase , but I do recommend the sweating idea to anyone who is suffering with POIS.

Note to BJim: Taurine, which has helped you,  is often used in chelation. Just a thought.
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« Reply #19946 on: 23/10/2015 13:49:14 »
Here are my (out of range) results from a heavy metals urine test:
Unprovoked:
Mercury => High Normal
Nickel    => Very High
Lead     =>  Normal

Provoked:
Mercury => High
Nickel    => Very High
Lead     => High

Has anyone else here had this test done? I am seriously considering if POIS might be related to heavy metals. Perhaps at orgasm the body dumps a massave amount of stored heavy metals into circulation, causing our symptoms.  Maybe the foods that have helped POIS have done so by assisting in chelation. I personally have found reduction in symptoms from eating garlic, spinach, and blueberries. Garlic is definitely a chelator, maybe the others are somehow as well. There is one particular event in my life that stands out as possible evidence of this theory. One night after I had sex I ended up sleeping in a car on a hot summer night. In the morning it was roasting hot with the sun beaming on me. That day on waking my diplopia was gone and I had no POIS. So how could that be related to heavy metals? Well,  sweating is one of the ways that the body eliminates toxins. If this theory is correct it could be exactly what we all need to prevent the POIS symptoms, to sweat alot! 

I am going to begin chelation before long. I will post if my diplopia or insomnia improves. I will not be able to analyze any POIS effects as I am chase , but I do recommend the sweating idea to anyone who is suffering with POIS.

Note to BJim: Taurine, which has helped you,  is often used in chelation. Just a thought.


Several POISers who sent me their medical results had low glutathione. Glutathione is increased by unblocking the methylation cycle, consuming methylated folates, N-Acetyl Cysteine and other methyl donors such as sulphur-containing amino acids like taurine, methionine & its derivative SAM-e.  Glutathione binds to heavy metals and enables their excretion.

What I've often wondered is if some POIS sufferers have consistently exposure to heavy metals as a result of their lifestyles, pollution, diet or if the heavy metal exposure is normal but our glutathione production is too low leading to heavy metal buildup. Either way, if you have low glutathione you're likely to have increased levels of heavy metals (even with average exposure from amalgam fillings etc.) and vice versa as heavy metals deplete the body's glutathione. The less efficiently you produce glutathione, the more likely you become deficient.

People with chronically low glutathione, such as in glutathione synthase deficiency where the enzyme that produces glutathione directly is inefficient, often have a range of neurological symptoms including poor coordination, speech problems, concentration and memory problems and even seizures. They may also suffer from recurrent infections, including on the skin.

There are many many articles published online about Glutathione depletion and heavy metals but some of the most interesting ones are those by Dr. Martin Pall who links it to Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and the late Rich Van Konynenburg on the Phoenix Rising ME/CFS forum. Rich was a very decent man and extremely helpful to anyone who asked him questions about his theories. You can read a bit about them here. http://phoenixrising.me/treating-cfs-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-me/treating-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-glutathione-and-the-methylation-cycle

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« Reply #19947 on: 24/10/2015 19:53:59 »
Very interesing. Anyway my heavy metals test is negative. It's important to start chelation to clean these metals. And it's a big hope for your Pois and general health.

The positive effect I get with taurine was too quick compared to a long time of chelation process .

I wonder if positive heavy metals couldn't be more a consequence than a cause.
 

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People with chronically low glutathione, such as in glutathione synthase deficiency where the enzyme that produces glutathione directly is inefficient, often have a range of neurological symptoms including poor coordination, speech problems, concentration and memory problems and even seizures.

Do we have documents on this ?

Ok, your source is wikipedia.
Interesting to see glutathion is present in sperm (as a defender, when decreased it reduces fertility).
And glutathion synthetase deficiency is poorly sourced.

The negative point is glutathion deficiency seems linked to low red cells count. In my cases red cells parameters are strong close to up limit.

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« Reply #19948 on: 25/10/2015 09:13:56 »
Very interesing. Anyway my heavy metals test is negative. It's important to start chelation to clean these metals. And it's a big hope for your Pois and general health.

What type of analysis did you have done for heavy metals? Hair or urine ?

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« Reply #19949 on: 25/10/2015 13:40:57 »
It was an urine test.
I find there are many elements with glutathions.
What about glutathion deficiency after orgasm ?
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