Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20050 on: 01/10/2016 17:26:48 »
This is My first post
I am 24 and I have been dealing with POIS for about 10 years or so (since i first noticed it)

I am using BIOGLAN Supergreens powder
I am using centrum multivitamin
I am also using Niacin B3
to try and deal with my POIS

I think they have all helped to a certain degree and i would at least recommend that if you are struggling you should buy niacin because there are quite a few people that have said they have experienced positive results from using it

check out link 1 in the attachment

the link above is from the pois center
it is a compilation of various niacin user feedbacks. Basically different people talking about their experience with niacin for POIS
you can also find link 1 by simply typing "niacin POIS" into google it should be the first link that comes up from poiscenter

I bought my niacin from SOLGAR and it is the 500MG niacin so you will experience flush when you take it
but flush is simply a result of increased blood flow it is nothing to be worried about in fact i like it.

p.s. there are two types of niacin
      you want the one with nicotinic acid in it which causes flush not the other no flush niacin
  please check out link 2 in the attachment for more information on the two types of niacin::::::

you can find link 2 by simply typing into google "Don't be fooled by no-flush niacin" it should be the first link by chealth.canoe

p.s. I would have pasted the URL of the web pages instead of the attachment but the site doesnt seem to allow me post external links
   

Finding a site like this really made a big difference for me because you dont feel so alone
I hope this information helps somebody the way this forum helped me


Much Love

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20051 on: 08/10/2016 21:03:50 »
When an Orgasm Can Destroy Your Life

For men with the rare disorder Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome, orgasms can lead to days of physical and psychological misery





https://melmagazine.com/these-guys-will-do-anything-to-avoid-coming-279fc4eb1a8b?source=linkShare-898c3474bb43-1478806423



The writer interviewed forum POISers and did his homework on POIS studies.
« Last Edit: 12/11/2016 16:08:17 by demografx »


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20053 on: 15/10/2016 19:31:18 »
Hi you guys,

Still wondering here if amino acids may have something to do with pois.. or rather, the deficiencey of amino acids.

Amino acids aid in recovery, and have calming qualities for the body.
I feel a lot better if i take whey protein after working out, in fact i take it every day, and i feel calmer in general. especially in combination
with a vitamin b complex.
Maybe you get anxiety and adrenal fatigue from amino acids deficiency.. making the body not able to deal with oīs?

Here is a discussion where people have managed to cure their general anxiety with magneisum , vitamin bs and an amino acid complex:
Google "Amino Acids and Magnesium cured my Anxiety"

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« Reply #20054 on: 18/10/2016 00:41:19 »
I'd be surprised if its a deficiency of amino acids. Quite a few of us do has digestive issues though. My doctor did a urine test looking for amino acid deficiencies since I had a lot of trouble putting on weight and my amino acid profile came out fine...disappointingly, though that does not mean my enzymes are using them properly. I do feel a bit better on tyrosine during the day and tryptophan at night, but I dont think the cause of pois, but help with dopamine & serotonin.

I have food intolerances  so cant take whey, nor egg protein, nor pea protein. I take hemp protein, and eat fish chicken beef & liver. The fact you feel better taking protein after working out, I'm sure lots of gym goers could say the same as it helps with recovery. Someone low in serotonin would get anxiety (not the only cause) so taking in extra amino acids could help with that, especially trytophan. Trytophan does get partially blocked by some of the large amino acids, so a separate supplement taken away from a meal would result in higher levels than say a roast chicken dinner. Trytophan also converts to Niacin in the body by an anzyme.  The problem for some of us may be insufficient key enzymes and not lack of protein.

Magnesium definitely helps me with anxiety and is a worthwhile supplement for poisers. Are we deficient in magnesium or just need more due to pios ramping up anxiety. I suspect its the later and is just treating a symptom rather than a key cause for pois, given that most of the population is supposed to be not getting enough Mg in their diet.

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« Reply #20055 on: 19/10/2016 17:30:09 »
Update: I had another NE a few weeks ago and had POIS symptoms again, to me I imagine it to be like a pressure increase somewhere in the body. Perhaps like if cerebrospinal fluid pressure is increased, or if something is swollen in the groin area putting pressure on a nerve. So my previously mentioned improvement from Elderberry is now dubious.

I should mention something that helps my sleep. I take turmeric capsules and B12 before bed each night and this seems to help my general mental health. But I have found that taking dandelion before bed will allow me to sleep longer through the night. Dandelion is a diuretic and it seems like reducing body water might lessen pressure somewhere in the body. I am now taking it in the morning and at night (about 1/2ml - about 15 -20 drops of tincture).

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« Reply #20056 on: 22/10/2016 01:43:52 »
I should mention something that helps my sleep. I take turmeric capsules and B12 before bed each night and this seems to help my general mental health. But I have found that taking dandelion before bed will allow me to sleep longer through the night. Dandelion is a diuretic and it seems like reducing body water might lessen pressure somewhere in the body. I am now taking it in the morning and at night (about 1/2ml - about 15 -20 drops of tincture).
Interesting that B12 helps you with sleep as its generally known as an energiser supplement. Its an important vitamin for mental health. Some people need to take the methylated sublingual form. Liver is a good source of B12 and that maybe one of the reasons I feel good after eating a meal with it. Dandelion is a diuretic but also known as a blood cleanser tonic herb. I actually feel better with licorice extract which has the opposite effect  - fluid retention at higher doses. A great herb for sleep is hops, but it also has estrogenic properties. If you have not tried melatonin tabs definitely give them a go, and valerian is a good sleep herb. 'Deep' sleep definitely helps with pois recovery

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20057 on: 23/10/2016 10:46:10 »
Acronym, B12 helps my overall mental health but I don't think it has any effect on my sleep. I just happen to take it with my turmeric which I like to take before bed as it seems to help with sleep a little. But I definitely noticed an improvement of duration of sleep with dandelion.

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« Reply #20058 on: 05/11/2016 06:52:17 »
I am a 24 year old finalist medical student and have been struggling with "POIS" or "PEIS" (Post Ejaculation Illness Syndrome) since I was 17 i.e the first time I masturbated.
I am a very sharp minded person and used to be top of my class since Primary school.
I experienced my first wet dream the first year of my Secondary school and started masturbating in my third year.
I remember the first time I masturbated, I was to sit for an end of term exam the following day. I greatly enjoyed the pleasure I got from masturbating but I didn't know what was going to follow 1-2 hours later.
I felt confused, heavy headed, cloud minded at first, then fatigue and burning eyes creeped in, I thought it was a nornal experience so I just took a nap and thought I would be back to my normal energy when I woke up, but I was shoked to find myself in the same state as before.
I couldn't retain whatever I read that day for my exam, I panicked.
The next day (during the exam) I was confused, I used to be a beast in mathematics but calculations were not flowing the way they used to be. I just felt like I wanted to sleep in the exam room. I eventually emerged the fourth person in class instead of the usual first position.
It took me about a month to discover that ejaculation was the cause of  my study misery.
I remember when used to search on why masturbation impaired memory but all I found was that too much masturbation had a toll on concentration for everyone, so I thought everyone experienced it.
I had to schedule my ejaculations only for Fridays or Saturdays evenings as I didn't have to go to school the following day which is usually the worst with symptoms. I did it in the evenings as my entire day would be ruined if I did it during the day.
I could not restrict nocturnal emissions though. My experience with nocturnal emissions was that I still had POIS but it's milder and the brain fog usually takes about a day to fully resolve as opposed to post masturbation which usually would take about 5-7 days.
I eventually completed my secondary school with high grades after strictly scheduling my ejaculations and was lucky to join the medical school. I have an understanding sexual partner, I don't experience any erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation and I have a good intravaginal ejaculation latency time. We schedule our sex episodes only at times when there was a little study burden and not when exams are around the corner.
I know the time will come when she might be fed up as we only do "it" when I want.
I am not a fan of medications as no drugs are "safe". Each and every drug has it's own cluster of side effects.
I personally support the autoimmune hypothesis, where autoantibodies against seminal or prostatic fluid cross react with self antigens in our cells, the likes of Acute Rheumatic Fever or SLE.
An oral corticosteroid, dexamethasone seems to be doing the job for me, just by reducing the severity and duration of the symptoms but not fully relieving them immediately.
I'm sorry for such a long post, I'm glad to have found this forum and would be happy to help every one suffering from this syndrome.

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« Reply #20059 on: 06/11/2016 11:35:03 »
Recurrent bacterial infection + reactive arthritis = POIS

Explains everything i can recall about pois.
Why niacin helps, why T helps, why injection of semen helps, why yoga helps, why diclofenac helps. Symptoms, onset and recovery. Brain fog, speech problems. I do remember thinking that bones in my neck are somewhat large, while i was frequently masturbating. And the cracking and general stiffness. All symptoms can happen from reactive arthritis. Why i get weird pimples on my shoulders when it gets worse, why red eyes, its explained.

Reactive arthritis is quite different from reumatoid arhtritis. It is systemic and onset is very fast. It is caused(not triggered) by bacterial infections. So the only assumption that is made is that when bacterias are hidden symptoms are mild, with ejaculation they get everywhere and trigger flare. In people who have chronic form of it, doctors found bacterias(like chlamydia) in stomach and synovial fluid, might as well live somewhere in prostate isolated.



If someone got POIS after bacterial infection, after changing partner or something that could have exposed him to it. It would help to know. Reactive arthrits happens even if infection is very subtle. Attachment is possible bacterial causes + diagnostic symptoms. Also should be taken in account, that chronic bacteria prostatitis can happen from stuff that usually infects stomach.




I have urologist appoitment in 2.5 weeks. Free healthcare is free. Its my frist visit ever to doctor about POIS. So, well, dont really expect to get free lab tests right away.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20060 on: 07/11/2016 07:06:13 »
Welcome new Poisers !


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« Reply #20062 on: 08/11/2016 01:53:54 »
Welcome new Poisers !

Thank you, B_Jim! :)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20063 on: 21/11/2016 02:40:07 »
I am a 24 year old finalist medical student and have been struggling with "POIS" or "PEIS" (Post Ejaculation Illness Syndrome) since I was 17 i.e the first time I masturbated.
I am a very sharp minded person and used to be top of my class since Primary school.
I experienced my first wet dream the first year of my Secondary school and started masturbating in my third year.
I remember the first time I masturbated, I was to sit for an end of term exam the following day. I greatly enjoyed the pleasure I got from masturbating but I didn't know what was going to follow 1-2 hours later.
I felt confused, heavy headed, cloud minded at first, then fatigue and burning eyes creeped in, I thought it was a nornal experience so I just took a nap and thought I would be back to my normal energy when I woke up, but I was shoked to find myself in the same state as before.
I couldn't retain whatever I read that day for my exam, I panicked.
The next day (during the exam) I was confused, I used to be a beast in mathematics but calculations were not flowing the way they used to be. I just felt like I wanted to sleep in the exam room. I eventually emerged the fourth person in class instead of the usual first position.
It took me about a month to discover that ejaculation was the cause of  my study misery.
I remember when used to search on why masturbation impaired memory but all I found was that too much masturbation had a toll on concentration for everyone, so I thought everyone experienced it.
I had to schedule my ejaculations only for Fridays or Saturdays evenings as I didn't have to go to school the following day which is usually the worst with symptoms. I did it in the evenings as my entire day would be ruined if I did it during the day.
I could not restrict nocturnal emissions though. My experience with nocturnal emissions was that I still had POIS but it's milder and the brain fog usually takes about a day to fully resolve as opposed to post masturbation which usually would take about 5-7 days.
I eventually completed my secondary school with high grades after strictly scheduling my ejaculations and was lucky to join the medical school. I have an understanding sexual partner, I don't experience any erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation and I have a good intravaginal ejaculation latency time. We schedule our sex episodes only at times when there was a little study burden and not when exams are around the corner.
I know the time will come when she might be fed up as we only do "it" when I want.
I am not a fan of medications as no drugs are "safe". Each and every drug has it's own cluster of side effects.
I personally support the autoimmune hypothesis, where autoantibodies against seminal or prostatic fluid cross react with self antigens
An oral corticosteroid, dexamethasone seems to be

Hi NakedDoc , what is the dosage of the dexamethasone that you are taking? And when are you taking it? Before or after O?

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« Reply #20064 on: 16/12/2016 18:00:21 »
Seemed to noone payed attention to my post earlier, well it sure feels i may be onto something. Consequence of bacterial and fungal infection actually are very similar to autoimmune dieseases.

I got seen by urologist. Said i think i may have some infection. Doctor noticed that my tongue was white and had weird patches. I have not look at my tongue for a while, but it was white years back. Doctor said that its not normal and it looks like Candida(fungal) infection. They tested my pee. He prescribed me fluconazole. Which did help a lot at first and then it began growing back.

Here is the thing. Fluconazole actually makes me feel better. Like really really better first 3 hours after i take it. And most stuff that fights bacterial infection like garlic also usually have antifungal effect. Nicotinamide in large doses was succesfuly used to fully treat antifungal infections.

Anyways doctor belives i dont have systemic candida infeciton. Well i may have infection of urethra deep inside, as far as i understood tests are very much unreliable. He prescribed me with oral itraconazole and some diet changes. Will see what happens.

I heavily advise anyone taking corticosteroids(dexamethasone) to consider an infection first. Dexamethasone actually did make me feel better too, but i am pretty sure it got worse in long term from it.

Here is what i think. Before taking antifungal i will try no sugar no carbs diet for 3-4 days, eat less food likely. It will starve, and then i masturbate, to see if symptoms changed.


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« Reply #20065 on: 16/12/2016 20:41:37 »
Thanks for your post Adolfin.  I've always thought this could be the result of candida or some other type of infection (possibly mold).  Please keep us updated on your results.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20066 on: 31/12/2016 22:44:22 »
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20067 on: 07/01/2017 19:06:35 »
Signing in again...


My pois is now gone i believe..
I take whey protein , Spirulina and wheatgrass in the daytime, every day.
I believe whey protein as well as spirulina helps with pois since it is rich in tryptophan, the precursor to serotonin.
Which gives you relaxation and general well being.


Ive also taken maca powder, wich has given me libido and energy.


But what my "research" has boiled down to is that anything SOUR may work against pois..
Sour stuff in general are antiinflammatory, antibacterial...


So I take Cranberry, rosehip and ginger caspsules before O, and after O.
This has so far eliminated the pois..


Summary:
Whey protein, Spirulina and wheatgrass daytime for vitamines, minerals and amino acids - for general well being.
Pois formula: Hit it with all sour antiinflammatory stuff you can find - Ginger, rosehip, cranberry.


Cranberry can be used against urethritis.. Maybe there is "something" entering the wrong place somewhere.. meaning that one has to prevent inflammation with antiinflammatory measures ( as ginger, cranberry, rosehip etc).


Try Ginger, cranberry and rosehip before o and after o.


Best Regards

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« Reply #20068 on: 07/01/2017 19:07:11 »
Just wanted to add that niacin is also sour...




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« Reply #20069 on: 26/01/2017 22:46:37 »
as this condition is awful, i want to share my progress here in case it might help someone.

I believe it was ginger that made the difference and probably killed pois for me.
homemade gingertea, raw ginger, ginger extract... try them all.

i believe it killed my pois.
I take it before an o.

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« Reply #20070 on: 12/02/2017 22:22:47 »
The symptoms of my POIS match a list described in an earlier post which I have pasted directly below:
Lack of concentration
Lack of cognition
Disorientation
Brain fog <-- most important
Absentmindedness
Confusion
Shortened attention span
Depersonalization
Exhaustion (physically and mentally)
Word finding difficulties
Tongue tied
Decision making difficulty
Inability to comprehend/retain what is read
Impairment of speech and/or reasoning (forming thoughts into words)
Depression
Anxiousness
 
Currently my POIS has drastically improved and I have not experienced any of the above symptoms anywhere close to how they used to affect me; so I wanted to share what I have been taking:
niacin B3
Vitamin B complex (Holland &Barrett)
Bioglan super green powder (Holland & Barrett) Ė
 
Bioglan super green powder is a supplement powder that contains over 80 ingredients all in one (i.e. spirulina, maca powder, flax seeds and many more). It is a little expensive but you canít put a price on being POIS free.
 
I have a friend who also struggles with pois symptoms and has now been trying the same combination of supplements for about a week, so I will keep you updated when he gives me his feedback.
I hope this is useful to someone
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« Reply #20071 on: 18/02/2017 12:02:23 »
Happy birthday to my favorite forum and thanks all the members. :)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #20072 on: 21/02/2017 01:55:25 »



This is...the 10th year of the naked scientist topic.





Yesterday, February 18th, was the exact anniversary day of the
first-ever POIS Internet forum post (by John21, Poster #1) -- 10 years ago.


b_jim posted in June of 2007 (b_jim, Poster #2, posted before me. I was Poster #3).


Look at b_jim's excellent post:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg95285#msg95285









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« Reply #20073 on: 23/02/2017 21:12:00 »
Since it's been ten years, Can someone give me a list of ongoing research projects for this disease? What is the current state / going on right now?

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« Reply #20074 on: 23/02/2017 21:23:49 »
Anonymous1112, you can find those answers at poiscenter.com






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« Reply #20075 on: 23/02/2017 23:30:37 »
Greetings. 28, Male, European, developer. I was suspecting that this feeling of being cursed or destroyed after sex should not be normal. At lest it should not continue up to 3-5 days. From the age of 26 i also obtained hyperthyroidism (autoimmune) and graves disease (autoimmune). Also chronic HBP. I will try to gather all my personal thoughts and observations in the list. I have good memory (even with POIS :D) and I did always track my body and all the breakpoints in my life, but i will try to be short. Please keep in mind that those are only my personal experience, iím not a doctor and i do not suggest anyone to practice on themselves.1. POIS symptoms can appear in youth and their strength increase during the lifetime.
2. POIS has some relation with endocrine system and hormones.
3. Exercises (especially gym) increase organism recovery rate but do not remove POIS. Also it's kinda not the best idea to train hard with high BP.
4. Eventful days, for example travelling increase recovery rate but do not remove POIS.
5. During POIS BP is even higher than usual.
6. Some basic anti inflammatory drugs based on paracetamol or nimesulide partially remove symptoms for short amount of time (approx: 1 day)
7. Melatonin in drugs help to recover faster. At least when i use them and go sleep earlier than 1:AM i feel much better in the morning even after evening/night sex.
8. POIS has strong relation with immune system.
9. The only thing that completely removes all POIS symptoms for decent amount of time is betamethasone (diprospan).

So the only thing that really helps me is corticosteroid injection. I tried betamethasone for the first time when was fighting to ambrosia (pollen) and was so much surprised when it also removed like 90% of POIS symptoms. I was full of energy during the duration of substance (approx 12 days). During this time i can sleep with woman as much as i want and I keep being multitask, sharp-mind, etc. I guess corticosteroids pulse therapy should help also but i canít rely on doctors in our country so I canít test it. Anyway corticosteroids help for some amount of time and you canít use them for too long. In general they suppress immune system, remove inflammation but also your body is more vulnerable for infections and viruses. Also taking them for too long affect the normal routine of adrenal glands (they check that hormone level is high and produce less or even stop producing hormones).

So basically i have two main thoughts:
  • POIS can be caused by autoimmune reaction. This also answers why medicine nowadays canít do anything with POIS. Because medicine canít do almost anything with autoimmune disease. Antihistamines are complete trash. Injections of allergens in small doses can last for years and still there is only a chance that they will help. Also those injections require identifying of the allergen.
  • POIS can be caused by some kind of infection/virus/bacteria/organictrash. Some of them are hard to identify. Actually for this one iím on same page with the guy named Adolfin, his messages are few posts before mine.