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MY ENDOCRINOLOGIST'S LABWORK ORDERED FOR POIS-TSH (Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone)I didn't want to push specific testing requests any further than this. I'm not the doctor.
I think Counterpoint mentioned that he gets it only 70% of the time. That is very, very interesting.
Quote from: demografx on 24/12/2008 00:21:07MY ENDOCRINOLOGIST'S LABWORK ORDERED FOR POIS-TSH (Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone)I didn't want to push specific testing requests any further than this. I'm not the doctor.Did you get the Free T3 and free T4? And what were the results on those.Also what was your TSH--what's considered "in range" is a controversial topic.
Demografx, I too have a grown son and was thinking about asking him if he has any POIS issues...It does seem a bit awkward. But I'll figure out a way.
...what was your TSH--what's considered "in range" is a controversial topic.
I think Counterpoint mentioned that he gets it only 70% of the time. That is very, very interesting.
Sometimes (rarely) I think I don't have pois, but it's there for sure! As soon as I'm confronted to hard exercise or problems, people, where the nervous system is involved, the slightest thing can quickly make the pois very obvious.
Previous NE's, prior to these three, have yielded POIS symptoms but the symptoms were considerably muted, which would lend credence to the intentionality theory, but still not explain it fully.
Quote from: girlwind on 24/12/2008 02:28:32Quote from: demografx on 24/12/2008 00:21:07MY ENDOCRINOLOGIST'S LABWORK ORDERED FOR POIS-TSH (Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone)I didn't want to push specific testing requests any further than this. I'm not the doctor.Did you get the Free T3 and free T4? And what were the results on those.Also what was your TSH--what's considered "in range" is a controversial topic.Nope. He said T3 and T4 are controversial. Like I said, I didn't push it...and as I mentioned I don't have ALL "in range refs". For now, I will just trust him.Let's see what he can do. That's my bottom line. If he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try it. If it works, I'll follow him anywhereThe big deal now is his recommended brain scan this Friday! MORE than enough for me. For now.
Quote from: girlwind on 24/12/2008 02:28:32...what was your TSH--what's considered "in range" is a controversial topic.Girlwind, I found it. My TSH is 3.1, the ref range is 0.3 - 4.7 mcIU/mL.
Demografx: Just an FYI to let you that the "NORMAL" range for thyroid tests has changed FIVE TIMESover the last few decades. It's a long story, and I won't go into ALL the details, except for the latest ones.
Demografx,>>>We're all different. My NE's have always been as forcefully devastating as the real thing.I feel sad , but a little envious, of the clarity you experience in the consistency of your experience of the illness. I have, unfortunately, let the 10-15% 'free passes' I have experienced on being orgasmic lead me to 'countless vain attempts' to try to 'control and enjoy' this illness.On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?Steve D.
I have never told my psychiatrist about this, he would think me mad!
...with this forum, I'm very confident there will be ways to successfully confront POIS in 2009. I'm with Demografx on that one.
For now, I will just trust him.Let's see what he can do. That's my bottom line. If he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try it. If it works, I'll follow him anywhere
Girlwind---Thanks you for your response a few days back--You mentioned Rhodiola and Holy Basil-Can you tell me what time of day you take them. I've read quite a bit the last few weeks about these plants (including Valerian), and I was wondering if you can detect any improvement with them. Interestingly, my psychiatrist mentioned Valerian the last time I visited. My current operating theory is that if I can improve my overall well being (including my anxiety condition), POIS will be diminished even if just marginally. I remember for many years I was feeling quite well, and my POIS was tolerable, though measurably uncomfortable. I knew it was coming,I faced it well enough, and just waited a couple of days. About a year and a half ago, my whole being went into a tailspin,anxiety and POIS. I'm certain it was accumulated stress.When I went to a Chinese Ph.D. in Biochemnistry (and acupuncturist) for treatment, she told me that in China the hormones are considered to be subject to psycho/emotional causes. I find it hard to accept this in its entirety, such as yourunfortunate encounter with lightning, but in many instances I think this is correct.
If he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try it
QuoteIf he suggests peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I'll try itI already have...that's my usual lunch, sorry it doesn't work! Dirt I'm not sure about, perhaps it's high in minerals. I'm workin' on a theory... will be chatting in the new year. Merry Christmas everyone!
I have a bad back---M.D. says probably arthritis or whatever--Chiro says compressed disc, out of whack--Acupuncturist says blocked meridians--Massage Therapist says tight muscles--Psychiatrist says that area is focus of my stress etc. etc.--I say physical overuse and injury is original cause made worse by anxiety/panic/POIS triggers etc.--How will I deal with it?? I have to reduce Anxiety and Panic and POIS-For me ALL are related to my back--Sometimes Anxiety and POIS wander around a choose a new way to torment--None of these "specialists" talk to other "Specialists"--Our culture requires "specialists"--Our bodies and souls require more than that---THIS FORUM MAY PROVIDE THIS BRIDGE, however diplomacy and delicacy are very important---As an attorney (one of my professions), I think argumentation is not helpful. We need MORE great people like we already have--With MORE and more people sharing their stories, I am confident that MORE and more ideas will be tested, and eventually there will be critical moments when many will be helped-----Synchronicity and Epiphany-----HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL-------I always always always always feel better after a good meal----
Merry chrimas for all sufferers 2008 has been a great year for us : we made a good job and we have now real weapons to fight Pois for our all different states. Thanks to all for help.
Quote from: SteveD on 24/12/2008 09:21:36Demografx,On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?Steve D.Thanks, Steve. It doesn't work (for me). As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS! In my case it has also led to depression, loss of libido and ED.On the positive side, if one can and wants to handle chastity...comfortably...then one is cured of POIS!For me, the current comfort level is approximately 4-5 weeks of abstention at a time.
Demografx,On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?Steve D.
There is also the risk of stress and depression due to lack of sexual release. It seems you just can't win.
srry to be getting personal For those who have relationships how did you deal with POIS when going after an interest. again srry to get personal but i need tips.
sorry to be getting personal For those who have relationships how did you deal with POIS when going after an interest. again sorry to get personal but i need tips.
But, John! Now you're gonna keep us all in suspense about your new theory? It's not fair!!!!!!
Hi Martin---You mention that the slightest stress can trigger a more intense POIS experience (during POIS), where before this "stress trigger" there may have been close to a zero POIS manifestation. I think this happens to me all the time; during anxiety episodes and POIS episodes. I'm reluctant to say that certain things may help, because when I think I'm on to something, later I find that I am not. It's hard to avoid "stress triggers" in life, but I think we can strengthen our immune/nervous system overall to combat our problems. Girlwind seems to be focusing on a holistic approach,and I think she's very prescient. Granted, orgasm has its own neurochemical chain reactions, but I can't help thinking it isolated from our overall homeostatis. I used to do marathons back in the late 1970's and I ran long distance up to 4 years ago, when I switched to long distance swimming. My endorphins would keep me calm up to 90% of the time. However, stressful periods (with POIS or without) wouldsend me into discomfort. It seemed that POIS fit nicely in this mix and always made- and makes- things much worse. POIS seems to pile on my condition to make things intolerable (when I have it). Right now I'm trying to seriously work on supplements to my diet and remaining hydrated. This forum has helped a lot in getting me focused on diet, especially Girlwind's comments. I guess we all hope that a solution could be natural. If I feel that I have come upon some successful combination of my supplements I will report. I certainly have avoided sugar, alcohol and caffein for a long time. If I were to have a chocolate moose and a tall glass of champaign I would die, literally. Is that WEIRD?
Merry Christmas everyone!(I'm a 'Merry Christmas guy', not a 'happy holidays guy' so I had to represent for the Christmas crew.)Peace
I was experimenting with raw organic veganism with emphasis on extremely large quantities of living foods. It worked remarkably well in the sense that my sexual desire was eliminated( just as Gandhi's work states that it will) However I discovered through blood work 10 days ago that I have become iron, Vitamin D and b-12 deficient . This has been doubly vexing in that the weakness associated with anemia can be confused with POIS symptoms. For 11 months I was plagued with anemia, but the POIS symptoms were completely gone. When I began to see my partner again 8 months ago, and engage in non-orgasmic sexuality, the 'onslaught' commenced. Through thoughtful negotiation, very careful sexual boundaries and the willingness of my partner I have avoided the full torrential consequences of POIS....Whew!
I want to be respectful and careful around other people's feelings and beliefs as we co-participate in creating meaningful solutions for all POIS sufferers.I am surprised and impressed with the array of tools that people are employing to fight this illness and want to learn new things that will be helpful to me, and to humbly offer my experience, if it is useful to anyone else. Around the topic of sexual abstinence, I have never found a topic so incendiary and so quick to inflame fear, hatred and shame, however unintentional, in other human beings, POIS sufferers or not. So, I want to tread lightly here.Some of the terrible fears in discussing this topic are the enormous spiritual abuses so many people have suffered at the hands of spiritual/religious authorities. Just the word 'celibacy' can bring back horrific, clarion child abuse memories in people. Even the words 'sexual abstinence' can enflame rage in a person who has had to fight for their right to choose what is sexually appropriate for them...So, I'd like to be ginger here.Respectfully,Steve D.
Certainly this forum is helping me focus, but I hope that some rancor that I'm sensing ceases. Each contributor has the potential for creating an epiphany for another member, and we must always add new members; This is so logical.