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Quote from: SteveD on 24/12/2008 07:51:30I was experimenting with raw organic veganism with emphasis on extremely large quantities of living foods. It worked remarkably well in the sense that my sexual desire was eliminated( just as Gandhi's work states that it will) However I discovered through blood work 10 days ago that I have become iron, Vitamin D and b-12 deficient . This has been doubly vexing in that the weakness associated with anemia can be confused with POIS symptoms. For 11 months I was plagued with anemia, but the POIS symptoms were completely gone. When I began to see my partner again 8 months ago, and engage in non-orgasmic sexuality, the 'onslaught' commenced. Through thoughtful negotiation, very careful sexual boundaries and the willingness of my partner I have avoided the full torrential consequences of POIS....Whew! Hi SteveD, but my post adress to other as well.Everytime I eat a vegan diet I feel a peace in the mind, a better nervous system in some way difficult to describe, along with joy. But I'm not willing to do this for a long time however because this effect is not permanent.When you eat only vegetables, phosphorus is decreasing and this give a chance to other nutrients necessary to metabolize phosphorus to increase. (I insist on the "only" because vegetables have not the same effect otherwise.)Also because of the reduced amount of proteins, there is a raise in B6 which is necessary for amino acids metabolism.By the way, note that phosphorus is necessary for ATP production and for parathyroid gland. (We talked about adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, sexual glands, pineal gland, but a missing one is parathyroid, associated with calcium regulation and maybe tremors)I strongly suggest to keep this somewhere in our theories :Guaiafesin is used to treat phosphates intoxication in the body and may help with ATP production : It is used to treat fibromyalgia.We now postulate that a defective metabolism, possibly a kidney enzyme, forces retention of phosphate, which gradually accumulates to detrimental levels in many tissues. This excess induces inadequate energy formation (ATP), cellular fatigue and malfunctions that explain all the symptoms of fibromyalgia. Our paper for interested professionals defends that theory. We no longer prescribe gout drugs (uricosurics). We now use guaifenesin for fibromyalgia because it has no side effects and is even safe for children Source : http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htm
I was experimenting with raw organic veganism with emphasis on extremely large quantities of living foods. It worked remarkably well in the sense that my sexual desire was eliminated( just as Gandhi's work states that it will) However I discovered through blood work 10 days ago that I have become iron, Vitamin D and b-12 deficient . This has been doubly vexing in that the weakness associated with anemia can be confused with POIS symptoms. For 11 months I was plagued with anemia, but the POIS symptoms were completely gone. When I began to see my partner again 8 months ago, and engage in non-orgasmic sexuality, the 'onslaught' commenced. Through thoughtful negotiation, very careful sexual boundaries and the willingness of my partner I have avoided the full torrential consequences of POIS....Whew!
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Hi Martin---Over the last ten years or so, I have a very balanced diet. Plenty of protein and carboydrates. I need to consume more fruit. I am about 5'11' and weight about 165 lbs. with 9% body fat. Very little fat, sugar (processed), alcohol (none) and caffeine (none)in diet.. I need to eat about 5 small meals a day, but I don't. I can't believe I haven't the discipline to do this. This will be my new year's resolution. (by the way, my last blood test was normal, sugar, thyroid etc.)When I did marathons (years ago), I ate like a pig, but still very little sugar and caffeine; though tons of carbos. When I slowed down in the 90's, that's when POIS started manifesting itself significantly. POIS seemed to have reignited by panic disorder from the 1970's--I always dealt with the underlying anxiety/panic first (and still do). This is because POIS was tolerable though very uncomfortable, and CONSTANT anxiety is NOT. Right at the moment, I am dealing with my anxiety condition as usual, but POIS is messing it up. However, I feel some progress with my GAD, and am now completely off meds. For me, orgasm, NE's and erotic dreams can cause problems. Sometimes I don't know if its POIS, POIS LIKE, Sexual Anxiety, Panic etc.etc. This is because symptoms are so similar. Over the years, POIS for me has been defined by the 2-4 day recovery time frame that is so clearly delineated. It's like an anxiety episode with a specific time frame. Regarding Chlorine, I'm very aware of the research and potential dangers. In fact, right now I am swimming every other day to see if there's effect. Sorry if this is a rambling,incoherent answer. I just sat down and peeked at the site. Also, I am adding to my myriad of supplements all the time. This I will list this weekend, as I don't remember every one, and I don't feel like going downstairs right now. HOWEVER, I am going to take Girlwind's advice and focus on strengthening my adrenal glands and overall nervous system. I'm going to buy Adrenal Support supplements tomorrow. I have this intuition that I'm missisng something real simple, and that I've failed to scrutinize my diet, with regard to supplements (because it's a lot easier than changing my acutual food diet). Certainly this forum is helping me focus, but I hope that some rancor that I'm sensing ceases. Each contributor has the potential for creating an epiphany for another member, and we must always add new members; This is so logical.
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Please don't ban me for this one Demo, it's about medicine!
Steve, if I may respectfully submit to you: just my opinion, but we have all suffered POIS too long and too agonizingly to be "ginger". Many of us take risks here just by posting publicly about POIS and some incredibly private, confidential details! But what's worse, risking someone's rage or staying in the hellish pits of POIS? I vote for the latter being worse. Much worse.But I do appreciate your sensitivity.
Demo,I dink I be 'ginger' none de less...
Steve----Your thoughts are very Lincolnesque------As you may know, he suffered severe, cyclical depression and exhaustion. Most historians consider his condition as falling in the serious, depressive category, with explanations (psychoanalytic) often centering on the losses of the many women he loved.I tend to agree with that, but I've read that these episodes would come over him and then slowly fade a few days later? I believe he knew these episodes would pass. Although deeply disturbed and miserable, he always saw the light at the end of the tunnel. I submit that he learned how to "wait" for recovery. Could POIS have been a component of his condition? If so, did he do anything behaviourally to ameliorate this, or at least to make it more bearable? Your words in your last post remind me of Abraham Lincoln, except that he, in the age of Victoria, certainly could not express his intimate concerns in a public forum.
I strongly suggest to keep this somewhere in our theories :Guaiafesin is used to treat phosphates intoxication in the body and may help with ATP production : It is used to treat fibromyalgia.We now postulate that a defective metabolism, possibly a kidney enzyme, forces retention of phosphate, which gradually accumulates to detrimental levels in many tissues. This excess induces inadequate energy formation (ATP), cellular fatigue and malfunctions that explain all the symptoms of fibromyalgia. Our paper for interested professionals defends that theory. We no longer prescribe gout drugs (uricosurics). We now use guaifenesin for fibromyalgia because it has no side effects and is even safe for children Source : http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htm
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I'll just be more careful with my iron and B12 intake in the future.
I just hope that pois is not something a lot bigger than just cortisol, which could just be a simple alarm to advise us that there is a serious problem in the whole system if we continue to have sex in our actual condition.
I have recently finished my second bottle of Relora. That means about two months. During that time I have had an orgasm on average at least once a day. During that time I have also taken a Centrum Daily tablet every day. The results: I have not felt the effects of brain fog and axiety and total mental depression in two months. However, I have noticed, as a single male who is not sexually active, that I still have emotional problems like loneliness and feeling down some days due to my own emotional problems. These emotional problems were existant before I started taking Relora and are still there.
Concerning fatigue and exhaustion: for three days after orgasm it was hard to get myself to exercise and do physical activity. When I did do physical activity, sports, work out, etc. I felt like I wasn't "in the game" and almost physically weak. >>>< I was just trying to say that POIS is independent of some of those problems.
Quote from: Finally on 26/12/2008 00:54:29check this link on Guaifenesin.http:fmnetnews,com/rescources-alert-product6.phpIt works better like this : http://fmnetnews.com/resources-alert-product6.phpThank you Finally for this link, it's interesting, I had to remove "I strongly suggest" ! Sorry for my invasive theory. I was excessively passionate about this because since a very long time I believe that excessive phosphorus intake is one of the cause of my problems. If you check everything you eat you'll certainly find that phosphorus is in excess, at least according to nutrition books. Lack or excess of it is potentially harmful because it's important in the body (works with B vitamins, calcium, magnesium, zinc, involved in carbohydrate metabolism, ATP, constituent of the brain (phospholipids),...)An other possible explanation about temporary benefits from eating only raw vegetables is the high intake of vitamins not destroyed by heat. Since carbs,proteins need vitamins for their metabolism, theoretically eating cooked food (containing carbs,proteins without vitamins) should be bad..
How Phospherous retention would increase from Urgasm/sexual stimulation I don't know.
My current program of Herbs/enzymes has worked remarkably well in breaking up the "cement" and restoring muscle fleibility. I am being as abstinent as possible to prevent any setbacks. It seems as if by restoring the energy levels, the body begins to heal itself? I avoid Calcium supplements as the last time I took them I could barely stand up.
So much positive news!tarkington - how did you do it? I know, I know. Are you still taking Swanson brand three times a day? I'm going to try my bottle of it starting now.Demo - nothing needs to be said for your management and leadership of this 'team'. It would be all to fitting if your medical results found the culprit.Coreman - Nice going! I'll have to try it.I've be chugging along in life still using fenugreek. Something I've noticed after much use is that fenugreek suprising manages my blood sugar levels well. Blood sugar is a problem area in POIS and may be the reason why fenugreek works for me. Over and out.
POIS, or the recovery phase after orgasm, which seem to be very closely related, is appearing to be very complex, because the nervous system is not only responsive to orgasm but to overall psycho-sexual arousal.
There may never be a total "cure", but I for one would be ecstatic if I could reduce my symptoms to "mild discomfort" lasting less than one day. This is my goal.
Regarding Abraham Lincoln, I think he did the best he could given the pathetic state of pharmacology in the mid 19th century.
I intend to focus on all aspects of my changing physiology: Behavioral (stress, exercise sleep etc), Psychological (attitudes, emotions), Nutritional/Dietary (Foods and Supplements), Immune System, Medical Interventions (prescription drugs if any), Other Professional Interventions (Chiropractor, Acupuncture etc.)and await great discoveries on this Forum!!!!!!!!!Of course if I can be so lucky as to come upon anything helpful, I will so comment.I may be making some progress now with my current supplements, but I think I will wait a few weeks before commenting. I am presently avoiding "O" if I can, out of necessity.
It seems i was wrong and Pyropeach was right but i need to read it and read it again to have a good analysis.
On the Semen loss theory I dont think is semen loss but probably orgasm because i had an orgasm without emission while i was sleeping. I knew this because of my dream and also waking up to check my surroudings for signs of emission, which there was none. I was sure i had an orgasm when the previous day my daily life was superb i was socializing with ease, memory fine and thinking better than i expected but the next day all my nightmares returned.
On Fenugreek I used two tablets and got great night rest after orgasm. I saw some improvements, brain fog dissapeared, tiredness improved , however socializaion and thinking problems where not changed at all.
I've also been taking about 300 mg of phosphytidylserine per day. And 5 mg bisoprolol/day (beta-blocker). Plus some B6, and Ashwaganda. So a lot of cortisol reducing supplements!
Curcuma increases cortisol.
So much positive news!tarkington - how did you do it? I know, I know. Are you still taking Swanson brand three times a day? I'm going to try my bottle of it starting now.