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...... My cortisol levels peaked the day of orgasm and gradually decreased for three days until back to normal.
Tarkington the problem is some of us have brain fog the second day (the worst day of pois). That's a big difference.Well, my typical pois timing was like this : First hours after orgasm : chills, shortness of breath (high cortisol?)Some hours later : diarrheas 8-10 hours later : fever and flu-like symptoms2nd day : brain fog/derealization.
Quote from: tarkington on 29/12/2008 17:46:22...... My cortisol levels peaked the day of orgasm and gradually decreased for three days until back to normal.That is not a fact just a theory. I have not had any tests done.
It seems Dr Waldinger have just found explanation for PSAS. After, PE gene, he's on fire : maybe an explanation for Pois soon 
I still had POIS symptoms [with nocturnal emissions] but they were 10-15% as potent.
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Quote from: SteveD on 29/12/2008 14:15:27I still had POIS symptoms [with nocturnal emissions] but they were 10-15% as potent.You're very fortunate. Mine were 100% POIS-potent.
Tried Relora for the first time four hours ago. Felt headachy, heart palpitations, speedy, then sleepy, relaxed/sedated, libido diminution and a little druggy/high.Steve D.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 29/12/2008 02:48:44I've also been taking about 300 mg of phosphytidylserine per day. And 5 mg bisoprolol/day (beta-blocker). Plus some B6, and Ashwaganda. So a lot of cortisol reducing supplements!Just curious, CP, besides Relora, how did you come up with this protocol to reduce cortisol? Thanks.
I've also been taking about 300 mg of phosphytidylserine per day. And 5 mg bisoprolol/day (beta-blocker). Plus some B6, and Ashwaganda. So a lot of cortisol reducing supplements!
SteveD : have Iron had an effect on your Pois ?
Quote from: SteveD on 29/12/2008 08:04:19Tried Relora for the first time four hours ago. Felt headachy, heart palpitations, speedy, then sleepy, relaxed/sedated, libido diminution and a little druggy/high.Steve D.>>>>How much did you have? This may be a psychological reaction.... I've taken it in pretty large doses before (1000+ mg), and I've never felt very different. At most, a little sleepy, or a little edgy... not enough for me to even know for sure whether this was the result of the drug. When I drink alcohol, I can feel the difference. When I have something like valium, I can definitely feel the difference. When I take an antihystamine, I can tell whether or not it is working. When I take Relora, I'm basically unsure of any difference. To me, it does *not* feel like a *strong* drug at all (but it could very well be helping with POIS!).I tried 300 MG. My experience last night was kind of close to what Demografx describes below. I am going to continue it today, but my sense is, side efects aside, that this is not near potent enough for me to offset the extreme physical energy losses I experience...but we'll see RELORA"Relora is a plant extract. Because the actual active ingredients are not discernible, there's no way to know what the interactions with other drugs might be. Therefore, I would recommend not taking it with Rx drugs,or with OTC drugs either.This is what the manufacturer says: [Note the elevation in BP]'side effects also include dizziness, trouble sleeping, and higher blood pressure.' "Quote from: demografx on 28/10/2008 14:42:35IMPORTANT: ...RELORA - PLEASE READ!
CCc, this is very interesting. I experienced this and researched it and it was called "brain orgasm". But brain orgasms never led to POIS for me. But brain orgasms w/nocturnal emissions [i.e., wet dreams] did [lead to POIS].
really it didnt that is interesting and am cofused. Have you figure any ways to emitt without orgasm that will be way to see what is the tru culprit.
Yeah i read people with spinal cord injuries say they experience orgams in areas of their body other genitals. Some say if you touch their hand that is good enough to give orgasm. I thought that was nuts but interesting.
Counterpoints, I read that you may occasionally use valium. I've used Benzos over the years for my Anxiety, but I never specifically tried it before or after "O". Have you ever experimented with it in regards to POIS? I've often thought about trying it as an after pill. Also, I've always used very small (subtherapeutic) doses. Never more than 1 mg. a day.
I often feel like a have been plugged into an electric outlet with a mild current.
Clonazepam decreases release of acetylcholine in cat brain and decreases prolactin release
...my POIS was better than it ever has been, from Dec. 2006 to Feb. 2008.
Hi Tarkington--Your description of POIS is very close to mine. Insomnia first night with sweating, tension, anxiety and chills. Second day involves fatigue, depression and continued anxiety with chills, but usually a slightly improved sleep. Third and fourth days general anxiety, mild depression and improving stamina, but still a little fatigued.During this whole period I am anti-social and don't feel like using my mind. Also during this whole period I have muscle tightness and inflammation, expecially in lower back etc. USUALLY by day five it's gone; but it may linger. I've always assumed, for me, that adrenaline kicks the whole thing off until it combines with my high cortisol levels. Adrenaline eases after a day or so but the cortisol stays high. I think that those of us here (and from my reading I think there are a few)who also have anxiety issues, there is a conflating of the two i.e. POIS make the anxiety worse and anxiety makes the POIS worse. This is why, for me, I always work on my general anxiety first. I can't really "work" on POIS, because I've never found anything that consistently worked. However, I am going to give Relora a try. Also, I have added Garlic to my daily supplements. Interestingly, when I feel real good (non-pois for many weeks due to lack of "O"), I am a lot less anxious about POIS. However, the last month or so my general anxiety condition has been horrible, thus necessitating that I really avoid "O".
Fascinating news, CP! Didn't know if you saw that my recent labwork revealed 400% higher-than-average prolactin! (Waiting for brain/pituitary gland scan results).
Clonazepam decreases release of acetylcholine in cat brain
thanks Martin for Alpha 20 ingredients.
Does anyone one else experiences this I know am out of pois when after about a week i get these crazy rise in energy/mental clarity/ and mind becomes quicker than usual and i cant stop talking and cracking jokes. After two days i go back to normal without pois.
It is a difficult issue. Imagine if tommorow I create a "magic sexual elixir!" with fenugreek, scientists and doctors will think i'm crazy. But fore rare cases (Pois!) it will work
Steve--Regarding your 3 choices:I concur that finding a liveable compromise is the best.I'm confident that with experimentation/research of all variables that may contribute to our symptoms there will inevitably be incremental improvement leading to diminished symptoms. Like yesterday: I took a 3 hour walk. I had felt pretty bad in the A.M. (not POIS related). Right in middle of walk I did something I never do. I had a cheeseburger with bacon and avocados. Big greasy mess. 1/2 lb. It gave me a huge boost and I slept like a baby last night. Who knows? Have a great day-------------------
Wheatgrass is a grass I grow on the roof of my building, in 17"X17" trays, in a soil of organic cocoanut shavings from Sri Lanka...Talk about obscure!I gave up red meat 20 years ago when I gave alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and caffeine. Some remarkable man said I could 'get in touch with my feelings more' if I gave up red meat. As crazy as he sounded to me, at the time, that proved to be true, so I tried giving up white meat, dairy, eggs, flour and sugar...slowly, over 20 years and found that every surrender led me to better health and a better emotional life.A friend liked what he saw it did for me and went to the Living Foods Institute in Atlanta. He came back and taught me about raw foods and living foods. Of the living foods group wheatgrass is far and away he most potent food for healing and health purposes in my experience.20 months ago, in an attempt to solve the POIS problem I gathered nine natural foods experts around me and began to take wheat grass in volume, at it's peak 48 ounces a day, generally 12 ounces a day.The most remarkable result was that my desire to be sexual went away, which is what I wanted.