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Martin else are we to get interest if the problems are not mentioned, these two authors wrote a book on orgasm so i was not really expecting any shock.
Quote from: Guthrie on 02/01/2009 23:00:21what should we count as 'excess'? Perhaps you're right Guthrie, I really don't know, but personally I'd count as excess what solgar says on the label of their product since this information probably come here for a reason. Note that the product you're taking does not contain only fenugreek powder but also an extract, so this means probably "more concentrate" ? I'm in the unknown but I just wanted to point this out.
what should we count as 'excess'?
Guthrie, independently of what I said before I want to add that your experience reported here is really helpful for us, I'm grateful for this.
Relora experiementing -I've taken relora a couple days and will share my results (Demo style).Day 0:- Take 2 relora and hour prior to orgasm- Release - Take another relora an hour later - I feel extreme relaxation- Two hours later I have a POUNDING headache. I never get headaches. It was so intense that I began sweating profusely, ran to the shower and sprayed my head with cold water. It was pretty aweful. 20 minutes later it finally went away.- Four hours after release no POIS symptomsDay 1- No POIS symptoms...I mean absolutely none. This is bazzar as heck. That headache yesterday was redic. What will tomorrow hold?
ONSET OF POISI have a question. Did anyone start to experience POIS only years after puberty? My reason for asking is that I can't really recall when POIS started for me. As we know, sometimes it takes a few years to catch on to the fact that the POIS symptoms are due to orgasm.
Demo---Onset of POIS for me was most likely around age 40. One thing I am certain of is that when I began serious long distance running and yoga (1977) I felt fantastic.
Quote from: CCconfucius on 02/01/2009 17:30:56However, oxytocine has been suggested tonegatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988). Interesting! I googled the article, and also came across another, more recent one, which also indicates that oxytocin can interfere with memory:
However, oxytocine has been suggested tonegatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988).
Guthrie,This makes sense to me. When I'm in a POIS episode I find it hard to reach for my vocabulary and sometimes I find it difficult to pronounce words
The word lupus is frightening. I prefer to think that many autoimmune disorders works almost the same way.
Do you feel your chemistry? I actually feel the onset and fading of moods brought on by chemical changes--Often when I get nocturnal panic attacks I can almost feel the switch go off--I probably should work out twice a day,AM and late afternoon--However, I agree with you that the behavioral and biochemical are two sides of the same coin---For me, when I have been in a state of equanimity, my symptoms of all afflictions (anxiety & POIS) have diminished. Endorphins have been the big helpers for me. Do you ever get physically tense? When I'm going thru a tense part of the day, my muscles often tighten in the loser back etc.--This follows quickly with nervousness and mild depression and chills---This is all made worse if I didn't work out that day-------It generally fades off after a couple of hours---POIS makes the whole thing worse for 3/4 days----This last year I've tried to stay away from POIS like the plague--
Demo, I'm glad to hear there is no tumor! Hopefully the "partially empty sella" finding will lead to some possibilities for you. Empty Sella Syndrome
I'm not sure if your PHD friend works directly with HIV/AIDS patients but I would be interested to know if people with HIV infection suffer from pois?
Quote from: SteveD on 24/12/2008 09:21:36Demografx,>>>We're all different. My NE's have always been as forcefully devastating as the real thing.I feel sad , but a little envious, of the clarity you experience in the consistency of your experience of the illness. I have, unfortunately, let the 10-15% 'free passes' I have experienced on being orgasmic lead me to 'countless vain attempts' to try to 'control and enjoy' this illness.On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?Steve D.Thanks, Steve. It doesn't work (for me). As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS! In my case it has also led to depression, loss of libido and ED.On the positive side, if one can and wants to handle chastity...comfortably...then one is cured of POIS!For me, the current comfort level is approximately 4-5 weeks of abstention at a time.
Demografx,>>>We're all different. My NE's have always been as forcefully devastating as the real thing.I feel sad , but a little envious, of the clarity you experience in the consistency of your experience of the illness. I have, unfortunately, let the 10-15% 'free passes' I have experienced on being orgasmic lead me to 'countless vain attempts' to try to 'control and enjoy' this illness.On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?Steve D.
Something else is quite notable. I can alleviate my symptoms, 100%, with repeated attempts at orgasm. This is really remarkable. Sometimes it takes 5-6 subsequent orgasms to return to "normal", but it always happens. And it's very real. This might say a lot about what's happening -- how sometimes one orgasm will "undo" the damage of a previous one.
Yesterday was a very strange day for me. Let me describe what happened, and you all can see what you make of it.
Steve--1) Do you have a set time that you do your exercises?2)I agree with you that the behavioral and biochemical are two sides of the same coin---For me, when I have been in a state of equanimity, my symptoms of all afflictions (anxiety & POIS) have diminished.3)This last year I've tried to stay away from POIS like the plague--
I never kept a health diary over the years but I did notice though that worse episodes were correlated to periods when I really pushed myself at the gym and also when I had increased orgasms per week. I just read your post above where you mention Counterpoints having repeated orgasms (presumably in 24hrs) and avoiding pois. Thats just bizarre. How does that fit into a 'depletion' theory or an immmunity suppresion/disorder theory???
Guthrie, I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?
Guthrie,I get away , scott-free, 10-15% of the time. That was the most perplexing part of the disease , for me. Also for EM's there's an even higher percentage.
Quote from: Finally on 27/12/2008 21:21:44My current program of Herbs/enzymes has worked remarkably well in breaking up the "cement" and restoring muscle fleibility. I am being as abstinent as possible to prevent any setbacks. It seems as if by restoring the energy levels, the body begins to heal itself? I avoid Calcium supplements as the last time I took them I could barely stand up. I know you took a lotof supplements at the same time. Do you have an idea which one was the best to achieve these results. It's great that you have some success !
My current program of Herbs/enzymes has worked remarkably well in breaking up the "cement" and restoring muscle fleibility. I am being as abstinent as possible to prevent any setbacks. It seems as if by restoring the energy levels, the body begins to heal itself? I avoid Calcium supplements as the last time I took them I could barely stand up.
Quote from: SteveD on 05/01/2009 07:01:05Guthrie,I get away , scott-free, 10-15% of the time. That was the most perplexing part of the disease , for me. Also for EM's there's an even higher percentage. I realize that some people may get away scot-free a certain percentage of the time--I simply wanted to emphasize that it had never happened to me before, so I was trying to figure out what could have been the cause in this exceptional instance.
Quote from: SteveD on 05/01/2009 07:01:05Guthrie, I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?Hey Steve--Guthrie's not the only one with a partner. There are a few married people on this forum, and I too have a long-term partner. In my situation, I am very grateful to be with a truly compassionate male human, This is an ongoing negotiation, sometimes easier than others.
I've been married 30 years. POIS is just one issue in a lifetime of many issues.It all works out okay. As Steve has so eloquently observed, there are many dimensions to this existence. My wife deals with it, thinks I'm a little nuts, which I am.
I haven't had an orgasm in 2 months. The physical desire goes down as long as there isn't too much stress to deal with. Kind of keeping my mind on other things as much as possible. Having good results and progress keeps positive mental energy.
It seems there is an interesting link between Iron metabolism and immunity, Pois and dopamine. I'm not sure, it is just a start of theory...- Orgasm seems to cause autoimmune disorder for us (especially if flulike symptoms).- Then it causes inflammation and increases IL-6. (Demo's physician friend thinks IL6 are linked to Pois)- IL-6 increases hepcidin Here and here. - Hepcidin decreases iron levels (its job)- Low Iron level decreases catecholamines metabolism (Iron is cofactor of tyrosine hydroxylase (th). Th regulates the metabolism of L-Tyrosine to Dopamine). B3 is a cofactor too.I'm convinced we can reduce IL-6 with good diet. I think to iron because Guthrie's link gives me this idea of "post-orgasm anemia" and because i said you I wait infos from another case. He has possible deletion of flulike symptoms with iron supplement. Everybody must check his iron level. But it's not enough because there are a lot of biological factors linked to iron. We talked with SteveD and he said he had Pois even when his iron level was good. But i remember even a low-limit level of iron can have effect on Dopamine (restless legs syndrome for example). Another problem is the role of iron on immunity. It seems to be a very complex problem because iron can be anti-inflammatory or pro-inflammatory, depending its form or its association with other molecules. Excessive iron can increase problems and be dangerous for body : No self-medication with iron! only doctors choose to try supplement or not . When Iron is "free" it might be used in pro-inflammation reaction too. Maybe the solution is to improve the absorption of iron instead of iron supplement. Lactoferrin can do the job . And why not heal the autimmune disorder itself ? Beside anti-inflammatory properties, LF was found to inhibit some autoimmune disorders. It seems safe but i prefer to have opinion of the doctor.
Thanks for your post Guthrie. I have a working hypothesis that actually your experience supports.
...the sheer, massive, physical force of the loss of neurochemicals from my brain brought on by simple orgasm.
In a normal (i.e. non-POIS) person, it could be that a certain hormone rises after orgasm from its baseline state, and then shortly thereafter returns to baseline. This person experiences no negative symptoms in connection with orgasm...
While some people experience a greater sense of connectedness, warmth, emotional safety and physical closeness upon orgasm, I am, if I am honest with myself, not one of them. This is why the Hindu-esque or Taoist-esque expositions around semen retention always, sort of, appealed to me, but even that explanation was insufficient. While I don't experience 'flu-like symptoms' there is an 'allergic' quality, upon orgasm, extremely similar, identical actually, to what the alcoholics describe in their literature as 'hangovers'. The 'allergy' I feel on the one extreme, compared to the magic I feel from 'semen retention' make this a slam dunk, for me.