Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #2650 on: 03/01/2009 01:02:46 »
[I have updated my precedent post about potassium and bananas.]

Martin else are we to get interest if the problems are not mentioned, these two authors wrote a book on orgasm so i was not really expecting any shock.
Sometimes secretaries delete emails for nothing...
In the first email, perhaps we can initially ask for a direct contact with a doctor or whatever person in charge about "a medical condition" or "new disease".. Then it could be important to mention the name of this person in the second email since people are more receptive to emails when they read their name.

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« Reply #2651 on: 03/01/2009 01:17:23 »
ONSET OF POIS

I have a question. Did anyone start to experience POIS only years after puberty? My reason for asking is that I can't really recall when POIS started for me. As we know, sometimes it takes a few years to catch on to the fact that the POIS sysmptoms are due to orgasm. The symptoms may have also been delayed for a day or so, which contributes to the difficulty of connecting orgasm to the result.

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« Reply #2652 on: 03/01/2009 02:10:49 »
Guthrie, independently of what I said before I want to add that your experience reported here is really helpful for us, I'm grateful for this.

Demo, my pois came in the middle of the puberty, at 15. I suppose puberty was started before the first ejaculation at 12-13.

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« Reply #2653 on: 03/01/2009 02:17:24 »
what should we count as 'excess'? 
Perhaps you're right Guthrie, I really don't know, but personally I'd count as excess what solgar says on the label of their product since this information probably come here for a reason.

Note that the product you're taking does not contain only fenugreek powder but also an extract, so this means probably "more concentrate" ? I'm in the unknown but I just wanted to point this out.

Martin88, I agree with you that the fenugreek extract is probably more concetrated, so that is something to take into account.

However, my sense of the recommended dose on the label, and for many of these herbal supplements in general, does not refer to the maximum dose possible before reaching "in excess."  Rather, I think that it often means "the amount that is thought to be effective in most cases"--but that does not mean that taking more is necessarily harmful.  For some things, it may be necessary to take more than the average recommended amount--as long as it not known to be dangerous.  That is, there may be a difference between the amount geared towards a general health supplement, and the amount for targeting particular illnesses or imabalances.

But, that still doesn't tell us what the maximum safe amount is for fenugreek in particular...so I don't know what to say.


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« Reply #2654 on: 03/01/2009 02:19:38 »
Guthrie, independently of what I said before I want to add that your experience reported here is really helpful for us, I'm grateful for this.

Thanks for the encouragement.  I do also appreciate your watchfulness in pointing out potential health dangers.

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« Reply #2655 on: 03/01/2009 03:24:41 »
Demo---
Onset of POIS for me was most likely around age 40, however I may have sensed some very subtle symptoms considerably earlier perhaps around age 26/27. I vaguely recall feeling strange at times in my late 20's. One thing I am certain of is that when I began serious long distance running and yoga (1977) I felt fantastic. This feeling lasted well into the late 80's. Without question my POIS clearly emerged during a very stressful period and has remained (last 20 years). For me personally, I've always felt (last 10 yrs.) that I lacked the balancing/inhibitory neurotransmitters to counteract the "so called" excitatory hormones & neurotransmitters. I still hold to this viewpoint.

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« Reply #2656 on: 03/01/2009 04:30:17 »
Relora experiementing -

I've taken relora a couple days and will share my results (Demo style).

Day 0:
- Take 2 relora and hour prior to orgasm
- Release
- Take another relora an hour later - I feel extreme relaxation
- Two hours later I have a POUNDING headache.  I never get headaches. It was so intense that I began sweating profusely, ran to the shower and sprayed my head with cold water.  It was pretty aweful.  20 minutes later it finally went away.
- Four hours after release no POIS symptoms

Day 1
- No POIS symptoms...I mean absolutely none.  This is bazzar as heck.  That headache yesterday was redic.  What will tomorrow hold?

That is amazing that Relora removed your symptoms.  But the headache doesn't seem healthy.  Let us know if the headaches continue.

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« Reply #2657 on: 03/01/2009 06:52:24 »
ONSET OF POIS

I have a question. Did anyone start to experience POIS only years after puberty? My reason for asking is that I can't really recall when POIS started for me. As we know, sometimes it takes a few years to catch on to the fact that the POIS symptoms are due to orgasm.

Demo,

I knew the moment I was orgasmic, at 16,  with masturbating , that there was something seriously wrong with the way I reacted to masturbation. That persisted, in varying degrees, until I stopped masturbating 18 1/2 years ago.

Orgasmic sexuality with a partner, though, was completely okay from 16 until 36. That' the first time I noticed POIS for what it was really was, for me..."A decline from the level of health that only chastity brings, for me, brought about conclusively by orgasm, however, also, with health incrementally diminishing, inversely proportionally, to the increasing levels of pre-orgasmic sexual activities."

Dat's about it...



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« Reply #2658 on: 03/01/2009 07:05:15 »
Demo---
Onset of POIS for me was most likely around age 40. One thing I am certain of is that when I began serious long distance running and yoga (1977) I felt fantastic.

Underwater,

I am taking this to the bank. What's working for me is to negotiate no genital contact with my partner, one day at a time, and then work out very,very hard.
Today I did 35" of yoga and core work and 35" of strength/endurance on machines, yesterday I ran 3 miles, Wednesday one hour of yoga/core/ weights and Tuesday 90 minutes of swimming!!!

I feel like my life is coming back.

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« Reply #2659 on: 03/01/2009 07:25:34 »
However, oxytocine has been suggested to
negatively interfere with cognition (Geenen et al., 1988).

Interesting!  I googled the article, and also came across another, more recent one, which also indicates that oxytocin can interfere with memory:

Guthrie,

This makes sense to me. When I'm in a POIS episode I find it hard to reach for my vocabulary and sometimes I find it difficult to pronounce words


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« Reply #2660 on: 03/01/2009 07:57:07 »
MRI OF THE BRAIN: UPDATE

In search of hormonal culprits for POIS, a 400% higher than average prolactin count was found in my bloodwork, so my endocrinologist requested an MRI of the brain. His email to me today:

"Your MRI revealed a partially empty sella - the part of the base of the cranium where the piuitary sits. There is no evidence of a tumor. Empty sellas may not be associated with any pathology. Make an appointment - and be prepared for more blood testing."

Needless to say, I'm grateful for no tumor.

Prolactin has become an interesting topic lately for me, since a friend who is a PhD biophysicist and an HIV/AIDS pioneer suspects prolactin - and "IL-6" - is a key hormone that is implicated in POIS because of the flulike symptoms as Dr Waldinger, the POIS pioneer, found. I'm still trying to decide if my symptoms are "flulike". Wipeout fatigue and brain fog can sometimes feel flulike (without a runny nose!) Here's his email to me today (before the endo email):

" Hi, [Demo],

This is pretty interesting.  Please do keep me posted on the MRI results. 

In addition to the more familiar role in stimulating milk production, there is also a correlation between high prolactin levels, inflammation and lupus erythematosus.  There may be a chicken-and-egg question here, given that high levels of inflammatory cytokines (including IL-6) stimulate high levels of prolactin production.  Do high levels of IL-6, for example, produce both, the flu-like symptoms and the high prolactin? 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11503136?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedreviews&logdbfrom=pubmed

http://www.actabiomedica.it/data/2007/supp_1_2007/chuang.pdf

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar05nov-14.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W8V-4MG6JXX-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=87f542042726d68ef791866ccd680235

Hyperprolactinemia (high prolactin levels) can be treated with Parlodel (aka bromocriptine) under the appropriate circumstances.  This dopamine receptor agonist is not a benign drug, so you should be quite insistent in fully understanding the risk/reward profile of your situation should it come up in discussions with your physician.  This is a particularly relevant question if the prolactin levels are an “effect” as opposed to a “cause”. 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR600265

http://www.csmc.edu/pdf/BROMOCRIPTINEANDCABERGOLINE9162002.pdf

I hope you and yours have had a happy holiday season, and that your new year will be healthy and productive.

All the best,
[name] "
« Last Edit: 03/01/2009 08:49:44 by demografx »

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« Reply #2661 on: 03/01/2009 08:03:52 »
OXYTOCIN

Some of you may find some earlier oxytocin discussions here at the POIS forum interesting:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=oxytocin+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

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« Reply #2662 on: 03/01/2009 11:01:24 »
Guthrie,
This makes sense to me. When I'm in a POIS episode I find it hard to reach for my vocabulary and sometimes I find it difficult to pronounce words
I too find it hard to find words and I often mispronounce words during a POIS episode. 


As for my success with Relora...it is only partial.  Though it significantly reduces the stress and anxiety components, I still struggle with cognition and memory - especially short term memory - its like my IQ drops to zero.  Only deep sleep has accelerated my recovery process, which, as I read, is responsible for resetting chemical levels. 

Demo - I look forward to your MRI results as my own MRI revealed a small, 4 mm growth on my pituitary which may be responsible for my slightly elevated prolactin levels.

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« Reply #2663 on: 03/01/2009 14:25:36 »
The word lupus is frightening. I prefer to think that many autoimmune disorders works almost the same way.

Jim,

I find the word lupus frightening, too...and sobering. I remember in Gandhi's work his observation that all types of diseases stem from misusing sex. I could hear that because it didn't feel like he was moralizing but simply stating factual biophysical information. Makes me want to work harder at a real solution to POIS.

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« Reply #2664 on: 03/01/2009 14:28:08 »
Demo, I'm glad to hear there is no tumor! Hopefully the "partially empty sella" finding will lead to some possibilities for you.

Empty Sella Syndrome


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« Reply #2665 on: 03/01/2009 17:01:30 »
Steve--
Do you have a set time that you do your exercises?
I always swim in AM between 8-11----------------
Do you have circadian rhythms that affect you?
I generally go into a dysphoric swoon in the mid afternoon for 2-3 hours--
Do you feel your chemistry? I actually feel the onset and fading of moods brought on by chemical changes--Often when I get nocturnal panic attacks I can almost feel the switch go off--I probably should work out twice a day,AM and late afternoon--
However, I agree with you that the behavioral and biochemical are two sides of the same coin---For me, when I have been in a state of equanimity, my symptoms of all afflictions (anxiety & POIS) have diminished. Endorphins have been the big helpers for me. Do you ever get physically tense? When I'm going thru a tense part of the day, my muscles often tighten in the loser back etc.--This follows quickly with nervousness and mild depression and chills---This is all made worse if I didn't work out that day-------It generally fades off after a couple of hours---POIS makes the whole thing worse for 3/4 days----This last year I've tried to stay away from POIS like the plague--

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« Reply #2666 on: 03/01/2009 19:45:51 »
Do you feel your chemistry? I actually feel the onset and fading of moods brought on by chemical changes--Often when I get nocturnal
panic attacks I can almost feel the switch go off--I probably should work out twice a day,AM and late afternoon--
However, I agree with you that the behavioral and biochemical are two sides of the same coin---For me, when I have been in a state of equanimity, my symptoms of all afflictions (anxiety & POIS) have diminished. Endorphins have been the big helpers for me. Do you ever get physically tense? When I'm going thru a tense part of the day, my muscles often tighten in the loser back etc.--This follows quickly with nervousness and mild depression and chills---This is all made worse if I didn't work out that day-------It generally fades off after a couple of hours---POIS makes the whole thing worse for 3/4 days----This last year I've tried to stay away from POIS like the plague--


Underwater--
I feel some similar symptoms, which I attribute to having CFS. This affects my brain chemistry, especially during
"viral episodes," and makes me feel that mentally skewed combination of slo-mo combined with overly amped.
I describe it to my acupuncturist as "going as fast I can in slow motion." The endorphins definitely feel diminished.
What I notice is that this happens when my energy is REALLY low. So even though I might be feeling hyper, it's a
fake hyper, with no real energy behind it. I can't work out vigorously when I have this happening, as I just deplete
myself more. I can only slowly ease into exercise with ten minutes of yoga or walking, 2-3 times a day. Overdoing
does me in, but total inactivity doesn't help either. Sexual stimulation, even without orgasm, feels aggravating to
the overall state of body/mind at times like that, so I won't even consider going there.


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« Reply #2667 on: 03/01/2009 20:51:24 »
Demo, I'm glad to hear there is no tumor! Hopefully the "partially empty sella" finding will lead to some possibilities for you.

Empty Sella Syndrome


Yes, the possibility that part of his brain has been eaten away by this condition. Sorry not trying to scare you demografx but what do you think ?

And Hi....i havent been here for a while but am amazed at you people....keep going....About a year ago I wrote quite a few articles suggesting a pituitary-hypothalmic problem as being the root cause for this condition....a year later you guys have chased the problem to this area....thats interesting....did you know that the depression linked hormone CRF - corticotropin stimulating hormone is also made by the same neurones that make oxytocin....if those neurones are not making the 'love hormone' oxytocin then they might be making CRF which has the opposite effect and can cause brain shrinkage by persistantly raising cortisol.
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« Reply #2668 on: 04/01/2009 01:19:51 »
Girlwind--
It seems like we may have similar issues. If I can generalize, you have CFS and POIS.
I have GAD and POIS. It seems like we both need to treat the former issues first (CFS and GAD). I've had GAD my entire adult life, but I have successfully dealt with it 90% of the time. Over the last 10 years, POIS, as a secondary concern has increased its negative effect on my entire nervous system (thus avoidance if I can). I can trace its source to behavioral/psychological triggers with corresponding biochemical manifestations. In this forum I have not discussed all psychological concerns as these are only personally relevant, but nevertheless critical. When I have had, out of necessity, to use small doses of Benzodiazepines, this had been a choice.
Unfortunately, they work great for only a certain period of time and then STOP suddenly. At least I know that GABA (for whatever it's woth) nearly cures me when it is increased. I only use this as a last resort. Right now, I am in a drug free period looking to rid my GAD by use of supplements, diet changes, exercise changes etc. By significantly reducing GAD, my working assumption is that it will reduce POIS. I think you used the term "amped". I cannot get hyper excitable, as this messes everything up. Sexual excitation for me, unfortunately, is just another nervous sytem overload. Orgasm just takes it to precipice and "over". I am optimistic, however, that I will find ways to diminish GAD and POIS and return to better times that fortunately for me have always come. However at 60, I am a little nervous.

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« Reply #2669 on: 04/01/2009 02:33:08 »
Again a major finding Demografx, however I'm not so happy to hear about this. I wouldn't have expected such a problem. Is it really the cause for pois, the treatment will say it if any.
Your pois started a long time ago, do you have this since the beginning... What is amazing is that your usual doctors didn't find this. It was a simple blood test. You had to ask yourself for a prolactin test! I can't believe this. Good luck for the next steps.

Pyropeach, your experience is also disconcerting. You know you have a small tumor and you're still here for a solution. Is there a suggested treatment ? (Maybe I should read your precedent posts)
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« Reply #2670 on: 04/01/2009 06:44:26 »
Hey guys,

Been reading the links and pondering prolactin...Dismal stuff, Lupus, Arthritis, etc.

I swam 70 laps in 95" and am not being orgasmically sexual and feel absolutely no POIS symptoms...

That's going to have to do for this day...


PS also my partner and I tried a cup of Fenugreek tea tonight. Bitter, but, not too.

Wishing wellness to all tonight

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« Reply #2671 on: 04/01/2009 08:51:47 »
whoa demographx you are on fire with this prolactin, good going.
Do you know its half life in body am wondering if that can be correlated to the how long POIS las.

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« Reply #2672 on: 04/01/2009 12:50:06 »
RE: Demografix and MRI
I don’t know whether to say sorry to hear about the pituitary diagnosis or not. Its not really good news but I feel a diagnosis regarding the pituitary will benefit your wellbeing now as regards the prolactin. No tumor was good news though. In a past post of mine I mentioned a pituitary problem. Like you its ESS, with mine being only 10% normal size. Its a bit unusual that with a reduced pituitary mass there is an elevated hormone output. I had my prolactin levels measured for the first time this year and it came back normal (day after orgasm). I would have liked to have had it measured years ago when my POIS was worse but the test was outright dismissed by my doctor then. In my case I have abnormal low GH, LH, DHEA, with low testosterone, and moderately elevated ACTH.

ESS can be congenital, result from birth delivery, viral damage, car accident/head trauma. For some people there is no noticeable deteriation in their health, and consequently many endos don’t make a big deal over it and just treat hormonal deficiencies if they occur, though in my case getting script for growth hormone is not so easy.

I mentioned that I would post about POIS on a pituitary site after reading about some guy having pituitary disorder (think it was ESS) and suffering from pois. Well, my post had 146 views but no responses, so unfortunately I can’t add any weight to our case on that front.

Reducing your prolactin levels should result in boost to your libido which I don’t know if you see that as a good thing. You can probably also do away with the levitra too.
I could be wrong but I thought I remember reading that you mentioned having 'wet dreams'. I haven't had them for years and it surprises me that you could still have them with high PRL levels.

Also in your recent post you mention your PHD friend also suspecting high IL-6 as possibly being implicated in pois. I can't remember my IL-6 readings but I do know I have high levels of cytokines from chronic infection/s. The high cytokine theory would fit with the people who have CFS or auto-immune conditions on this forum, but I dont know if it would account for many others. I personally think that some of the people on this forum who have been benefiting from special diet (no lactose, recudeced carbs/grains, no sugars, no alcohol) plus also benefiting from taking garlic could in fact be suffering from bowel infection/bacterial overgrowth.

I'm not sure if your PHD friend works directly with HIV/AIDS patients but I would be interested to know if people with HIV infection suffer from pois?

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« Reply #2673 on: 04/01/2009 15:54:57 »
I'm not sure if your PHD friend works directly with HIV/AIDS patients but I would be interested to know if people with HIV infection suffer from pois?

A while ago, when I was first looking for other POIS cases online, I came across these links after googling "fatigue after orgasm":
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Fatigue/Archive/FatigueCause/Q90074.html
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Fatigue/Archive/FatigueCause/Q166244.html
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Fatigue/Archive/Sleep/Q166355.html

They seem to be from an HIV/AIDS website.  So, perhaps that could add to the possibility that POIS is related to an autoimmune reaction.

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« Reply #2674 on: 04/01/2009 23:56:42 »
Demografx,

>>>We're all different. My NE's have always been as forcefully devastating as the real thing.

I feel sad , but a little envious, of the clarity you experience in the consistency of your experience of the illness.  I have, unfortunately, let  the 10-15% 'free passes' I have experienced on being orgasmic lead me to 'countless vain attempts' to try to 'control and enjoy' this illness.

On beginning to read previous entries in this thread I saw that you have experimented with chastity. What was your overall impression with using that as a technique?

Steve D.


Thanks, Steve. It doesn't work (for me).

As several others have noted, Steve, abstaining/chastity eventually creates a tension for many people that can be as bad as POIS! In my case it has also led to depression, loss of libido and ED.

On the positive side, if one can and wants to handle chastity...comfortably...then one is cured of POIS!

For me, the current comfort level is approximately 4-5 weeks of abstention at a time.

Demo,

I've been thinking 'gingerly' about your post for nearly two weeks. My comfort level time in chastity is a maximum of about 18-20 months. Then the perpetual loneliness seems absurd to me. But, I truly want to be 'cured of POIS', and, at current, this seems to be the only completely effective therapy, for me. I know 'it doesn't work for you' as a strategy, but I wanted to thank you for your frankness. I love the truth. Gandhi said "God is Truth" and that's what I believe.

Steve

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« Reply #2675 on: 05/01/2009 00:29:54 »
Yesterday was a very strange day for me.  Let me describe what happened, and you all can see what you make of it.

Late Friday night/early Saturday morning (4:00 a.m.) I had a release.  I wanted to test to see how the fenugreek would work if I took it AFTER release, rather than before.  So, after the release, I took 6 fenugreek capsules, and then went to sleep. 

I woke up at 11:30 a.m. on Saturday.  For the first couple of hours, I felt just a little light-headed, but then, from around 2:00 pm to 6:30, I was feeling pretty bad POIS-wise.  It was hard to think, hard to talk/verbalize, and I felt very spacey and brain-foggy.

That experience seemed to indicate that the fenugreek is NOT very effective when taken AFTER an orgasm has already occurred--an observation which is interesting in itself. 

BUT THEN, at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, I had another release.  I hadn't been planning on it, especially since I normally avoid sexual contact with my partner during my POIS-stage, given that I feel pretty shitty.  But yesterday, for whatever reason, it happened.

Immediately after release, I fell asleep for about an hour.  When I woke up at 7:30 p.m., I felt much better--I was thinking clearly and very talkative and energetic!  I still felt a little physically tired, but not too much.

I went to sleep at 2:00 a.m, and woke up at 10:30 a.m. this morning (Sunday).  I felt fine the whole day today.

So, there are at least two weird things: 1.  The fact that I felt better after the 6:30 pm release, when I had been feeling POIS-bad the whole day.  2.  The fact that I felt good today, after having the release yesterday evening--in my experience, the 'day after' has always been bad. 

I don't know how to account for it.  Possibly it could be the phenomenon that Counterpoints described:
Something else is quite notable.  I can alleviate my symptoms, 100%, with repeated attempts at orgasm.  This is really remarkable.  Sometimes it takes 5-6 subsequent orgasms to return to "normal", but it always happens.  And it's very real. This might say a lot about what's happening -- how sometimes one orgasm will "undo" the damage of a previous one.

Or (though this seems less likely) it could be from the fenugreek that I had taken 14 hours earlier, after the 4 a.m. release.  If so, this would mean that the fenugreek taken after the fact was not able to prevent symptoms from occurring for the first release, but that it then prevented the symptoms from the second release (while also causing the symptoms from the first release to suddenly stop as well).  But, the 14-hour time lapse seems like a long time for the fenugreek to remain effective.

The only other thing that I did differently yesterday was, at around 4 p.m., to drink a "Gimme Green Amazake Shake" (http://www.grainaissance.com/green.html), which I had never had before.  It seems to have some healthy ingredients, but it didn't eliminate any symptoms right when I drank it.  But, it could have also played a role in the 'resetting' after the second orgasm.

Again, perhaps neither the fenugreek nor the amazake played a role, and it was solely the "Counterpoints phenomenon."  I don't really know.  We'll see what happens in the future...
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« Reply #2676 on: 05/01/2009 07:01:05 »
Yesterday was a very strange day for me.  Let me describe what happened, and you all can see what you make of it.

Guthrie,

I get away , scott-free, 10-15% of the time. That was the most perplexing part of the disease , for me. Also for EM's there's an even higher percentage.

I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?

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« Reply #2677 on: 05/01/2009 07:24:38 »
Steve--
1) Do you have a set time that you do your exercises?

2)I agree with you that the behavioral and biochemical are two sides of the same coin---For me, when I have been in a state of equanimity, my symptoms of all afflictions (anxiety & POIS) have diminished.

3)This last year I've tried to stay away from POIS like the plague--

Underwater,

1)No set times. My partner has two children and I have one. We both work, so we catch as catch can, but it's daily and very, very rigorous.

2)Your observation about diminished POIS symptoms in the 70's and 80's, combined with Demo's acknowledgement of a simple, but difficult way to eradicate symptoms, confirmed for me, the validity of the therapy that I had been using, on myself, prior to hearing the phrase POIS for the first time two weeks ago. There's something healing, galvanizing and powerful about being with other people trying to solve a problem as a fellowship. That communal power  was able to push me over the top to a commitment I knew was right for me, which is surrendering orgasmic sexuality. That doesn't solve NE's, but those are not a major problem for me, luckily.

3) I have spent 20 months come January 12, doing virtually nothing but trying to solve this problem. I am satisfied now and I am going to accept this solution and try my hand at something different. I'm going to memorized Hendrix's Voodoo Chile!

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« Reply #2678 on: 05/01/2009 12:34:51 »
Guthrie
Thanks for the quick post with the HIV links. While it seems that pois is a condition that is suffered by HIV people, I picked up on the fact that it is certainly not across the board. These guys doctors (presumably HIV specialists had not heard of the condition and also it was the same with thebody.com doctor replying to these guys questions. Strange, like CFS, some suffer from it and some dont. Really frustrating in terms of tracking down the biochemical defect that accounts for it. One of the guys on that hyperlink complained about sore eyeballs. While I dont get that as bad these days, I used to, along with the inability to look people in the eye (an autism symptom) and sensitivity to light. Those symptoms used to really piss me off. I never had this bad all the times though. I never kept a health diary over the years but I did notice though that worse episodes were correlated to periods when I really pushed myself at the gym and also when I had increased orgasms per week.
I just read your post above where you mention Counterpoints having repeated orgasms (presumably in 24hrs) and avoiding pois. Thats just bizarre. How does that fit into a 'depletion' theory or an immmunity suppresion/disorder theory???

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« Reply #2679 on: 05/01/2009 17:22:25 »
I never kept a health diary over the years but I did notice though that worse episodes were correlated to periods when I really pushed myself
at the gym and also when I had increased orgasms per week.
I just read your post above where you mention Counterpoints having repeated orgasms (presumably in 24hrs) and avoiding pois. Thats just
bizarre. How does that fit into a 'depletion' theory or an immmunity suppresion/disorder theory???

Acronym--My experience is similar to yours, probably because of the CFS. ANY overdoing does me in, so the thought of
having repeated orgasms in the same day is absolutely NOT an option. In my case the "depletion theory" describes my POIS,
assuming that what is being depleted is part of the hormonal profile. That's why adrenal boosting and thyroid supporting
supplements have worked to lessen the effects of exhaustion, for both POIS and CFS symptoms.
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« Reply #2680 on: 05/01/2009 17:49:01 »
Guthrie, I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?

Hey Steve--Guthrie's not the only one with a partner. There are a few married people on this forum, and I too have a long-term
partner. In my situation, I am very grateful to be with a truly compassionate male human, who is not attached to the "standard
model" of sexual intercourse--with the standard beginning, middle and orgasmic end. Because my libido tends to be rather low
(a common issue with those who have CFS), and I also have POIS my partner and I have had to redefine sex to make it work for
us. This is an ongoing negotiation, sometimes easier than others. What has made it possible is that we are really good friends,
who love each other a lot and who want to support each other in getting each of our needs met. Everything else, including honest
communications and patience and empathic understanding, is secondary.

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« Reply #2681 on: 05/01/2009 20:37:49 »
Guthrie,

I get away , scott-free, 10-15% of the time. That was the most perplexing part of the disease , for me. Also for EM's there's an even higher percentage.

I realize that some people may get away scot-free a certain percentage of the time--I simply wanted to emphasize that it had never happened to me before, so I was trying to figure out what could have been the cause in this exceptional instance.

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« Reply #2682 on: 05/01/2009 20:42:22 »
Guthrie, I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?

Steve, my partner is very understanding and compassionate with regard to my POIS.  We are able to talk about it openly, which definitely helps me to worry less about it with regard to our relationship.  She is understanding of the fact that my inclination to limit the frequency of my orgasms with her does not mean that I am any less attracted to her.  I'm extremely grateful to have her support, and I just want to reassure others out there that it is possible to have a good relationship despite POIS.
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« Reply #2683 on: 05/01/2009 21:00:08 »
I've been married 30 years. POIS is just one issue in a lifetime of many issues.
It all works out okay. As Steve has so eloquently observed, there are many dimensions to this existence. However, to be honest, POIS for me thankfully was "tolerable" all the way to age 50 or so; I'd call it an uncomfortable nuisance that drove me batty for 2 days. Since then 3-5 days. The last 10 years have been the worst. My wife deals with it, thinks I'm a little nuts, which I am. Right now, I'd just take peace of mind and tranquility 24/7----------------

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« Reply #2684 on: 05/01/2009 22:07:09 »
Thanks for your post Guthrie. I have a working hypothesis that actually your experience supports.

After having an orgasm, in most men the body produces comforting hormones. So most men feel good after sex and fall asleep. Some men though,  after orgasm start producing hormones that leave them feel very strange. For example, I feel anxious and in some perspective very alert after orgasm.  Instead of feeling relaxed, the body gets into overdrive.  I actually don’t really fall asleep anymore, just trying to. 

Because the body works very hard producing these hormones, you get exhausted. These hormones also make your immune system weak, so you easily get colds or other injuries, you’re allergic to stuff you otherwise can stand easily, or get inflammation in stomach area. After a while though, your body doesn’t produce the excess-amount of these hormones anymore.

In early stage of your POIS experiences, your body then returns to producing the normal amount of these hormones, so you feel good again. In the start of my POIS, this was just after one day. After a few years, this turned to 2 days. In later phases of your POIS adventures, in my case after 7 years, there is another dimension. After the overdrive phase, instead of returning to producing the normal amount of this hormone, the body is now just not capable of doing this anymore. It is exhausted. So then (in my case in day 2 or 3) you get different symptoms as well, like dry mouth, night sweats, thirst, dizziness, ringing in the ears. It might also be a subtle deficit you won’t notice so you don’t get the symptoms. After a few days your body is again capable of producing the right amount of this hormone and you feel good again.

Let’s hit back to your case now. You had orgasm, POIS started. Then at some point your body is producing too little of the hormone we’re talking about. You also then have started taking Fenugreek, which is also responsible for lowerering this hormone. Then you have an orgasm. The body starts producing this hormone again, however at this time your body is not producing an excess amount of this hormone, because it actually had a deficit remaining from your first orgasm (remember?). So you won’t reach the state of anxiety, fatigue etcetera.

I have not had any tests done yet. They need to be done before POIS, a short while after orgasm and then repeated. The hormone I think it is, is cortisol. In Traditional Chinese Medicin terms: I think your body is too much kidney yang first, too much kidney yin then and then if possible returns to equilibrium. Please search these terms on the internet and look at the symptoms associated.

I wanted to do the tests  and then report on this forum, but then I read your story and felt I had to give it out now. This theory is also supported by my experience with multiple orgasms and with herbs I have been taken to boost and to lower cortisol. Remember it’s just a theory, everyone’s POIS might be different and everyone has the right to his/her opinion. I will also get the Girlwind’s  thyroid tests, ‘cos after all these years this part might be affected as well.

I had this theory worked out during Christmas Holidays. I am not a merry-Christmas guy,
but I wish you all a very blessed 2009! Thank you.
« Last Edit: 05/01/2009 22:18:49 by rock27 »
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #2685 on: 06/01/2009 00:43:30 »
Rock--
Our POIS symptoms are nearly identical: Anxiety--Overdrive/Hyper--Dry Mouth--Night Sweats--Thirst-- Dizziness--Ringing in Ears--I also get muscle tension and depression-
I agree that Cortisol may be responsible for the symptoms we share (elevated). I also think basic epinephrine may be involved. However, since my POIS symptoms are identical to my panic/anxiety symptoms, I logically consider that there may be a serious imblance (deficit) of inhibitory neurotransmitters that should come into play after orgasm, but don't. Like my anxiety, there may be a lack of serotonin, gaba, dopamine or some other neurotransmitter that fails to balance out the intensity of orgasm and the cascade of high energy and excitation that follows.

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« Reply #2686 on: 06/01/2009 00:47:35 »



My current program of Herbs/enzymes has worked remarkably well in breaking up the "cement" and restoring muscle fleibility.  I am being as abstinent as possible to prevent any setbacks.  It seems as if by restoring the energy levels, the body begins to heal itself?   
I avoid Calcium supplements as the last time I took them I could barely stand up.
I know you took a lotof supplements at the same time. Do you have an idea which one was the best to achieve these results. It's great that you have some success !
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.  Been quite busy

It seems that FenuGreek and Maca which I take 3x/day along with Garden of life Restore(FYI Ultra also works ) has the greatest effect on the CFS/Fibromyalgia symptoms. 
Yohimbe and Horney goat weed seem to be more of a secondary help in the formula.  Works good taken with fruit juice(berries Pomegranite etc)   
I also take about 50mg. od DHEA.  When I took it alone there wasn't a great effect. 

I haven't had an orgasm in 2 months. The physical desire goes down as long as there isn't too much stress to deal with.  Kind of keeping my mind on other things as much as possible.  Having good results and progress keeps positive mental energy.   

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« Reply #2687 on: 06/01/2009 01:20:44 »
Demo--
Thanks for your report-- Glad you're basically fine--
Interesting that high prolactin may be treated with dopamine receptor agonists--
I've always wondered that if prolactin shoots up to high levels at orgasm (along with dopamine), does dopamine then take a quick, steep drop? And we don't recover for a few days. Maybe some POIS sufferes have prolactin/dopamine imbalances, other cortisol/dopamine imbalances, others basic epinephrine/serotonin imbalances, others defferent combinations? I wonder if a DRI could be taken? I believe I've read about them, like an SSRI---How does Levitra fit into this? Does it affect neurotransmitters? 

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« Reply #2688 on: 06/01/2009 07:35:10 »
Guthrie,

I get away , scott-free, 10-15% of the time. That was the most perplexing part of the disease , for me. Also for EM's there's an even higher percentage.

I realize that some people may get away scot-free a certain percentage of the time--I simply wanted to emphasize that it had never happened to me before, so I was trying to figure out what could have been the cause in this exceptional instance.

Guthrie,

No clue. Sometimes wish it were 100% since it would then be a black and white issue, for me. There is someone else on this blog site, I recall. who reports a 30% escape ratio as well.

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« Reply #2689 on: 06/01/2009 07:39:35 »
Guthrie, I'm curious. You're the first person I've heard mention a partner in the two weeks I've been posting. How does your partner respond to your illness?

Hey Steve--Guthrie's not the only one with a partner. There are a few married people on this forum, and I too have a long-term
partner. In my situation, I am very grateful to be with a truly compassionate male human, This is an ongoing negotiation, sometimes easier than others.

Girlwind,

Sounds like many of us are blessed with very loving, compassionate partners

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« Reply #2690 on: 06/01/2009 07:42:35 »
I've been married 30 years. POIS is just one issue in a lifetime of many issues.
It all works out okay. As Steve has so eloquently observed, there are many dimensions to this existence. My wife deals with it, thinks I'm a little nuts, which I am.

Underwater,

Thanks for the compliment. I, too, believe that it all works out...I like your humility and humor.

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« Reply #2691 on: 06/01/2009 07:49:40 »

I haven't had an orgasm in 2 months. The physical desire goes down as long as there isn't too much stress to deal with.  Kind of keeping my mind on other things as much as possible.  Having good results and progress keeps positive mental energy.   

Finally,

I haven't had an intentional orgasm in 20 months and I'm fine with that. I actually feel at peace, like when I gave up alcohol 20 years ago. I was really ready to 'let go'. No grief, just the simple joy of freedom. I , too,  find that I do have 'control' over my attitude and I choose to be positive , simply because I feel better when I do.

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« Reply #2692 on: 06/01/2009 20:19:22 »
It seems there is an interesting link between Iron metabolism and immunity, Pois and dopamine. I'm not sure, it is just a start of theory...

- Orgasm seems to cause autoimmune disorder for us (especially if flulike symptoms).
- Then it causes inflammation and increases IL-6.
 (Demo's physician friend thinks IL6 are linked to Pois)
- IL-6 increases hepcidin Here and here
- Hepcidin decreases iron levels (its job)
- Low Iron level decreases catecholamines metabolism (Iron is cofactor of tyrosine hydroxylase (th). Th regulates the metabolism of L-Tyrosine to Dopamine). B3 is a cofactor too.

I'm convinced we can reduce IL-6 with good diet. I think to iron because Guthrie's link gives me this idea of "post-orgasm anemia" and because i said you I wait infos from another case. He has possible deletion of flulike symptoms with iron supplement. Everybody must check his iron level. But it's not enough because there are a lot of biological factors linked to iron. We talked with SteveD and he said he had Pois even when his iron level was good. But i remember even a low-limit level of iron can have effect on Dopamine (restless legs syndrome for example). Another problem is the role of iron on immunity. It seems to be a very complex problem because iron can be anti-inflammatory or pro-inflammatory, depending its form or its association with other molecules. Excessive iron can increase problems and be dangerous for body : No self-medication with iron! only doctors choose to try supplement or not . When Iron is "free" it might be used in pro-inflammation reaction too. Maybe the solution is to improve the absorption of iron instead of iron supplement. Lactoferrin can do the job .
And why not heal the autimmune disorder itself  ?  
Beside anti-inflammatory properties, LF was found to inhibit some autoimmune disorders.
It seems safe but i prefer to have opinion of the doctor.

Jim,

I'm iron anemic, at the moment, and taking iron supplements for the last 22 days but am not experiencing POIS symptoms.I'm not being orgasmic now. When my iron levels were good, and I was orgasmic , I experienced the symptoms. This is a very frustrating illness.

At my doctor's and acupuncturist's okay I have experimented with Relora and Fenugreek recently. I don't know how physically impactful POIS is to most everyone on the blog site, but I know that, for me, there is no way these supplements are strong enough to counteract the sheer, massive, physical force of the loss of neurochemicals from my brain brought on by simple orgasm.

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« Reply #2693 on: 06/01/2009 22:52:42 »
Thanks for your post Guthrie. I have a working hypothesis that actually your experience supports.

Rock27, your hypothesis sounds quite plausible.  After reading your hypothesis, I was struck by an idea which is similar to yours, but perhaps a little different.

In a normal (i.e. non-POIS) person, it could be that a certain hormone rises after orgasm from its baseline state, and then shortly thereafter returns to baseline.  This person experiences no negative symptoms in connection with orgasm. 

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Diagram 1: Normal person.   The arrow marked “R” represents orgasm, at which point the hormone rises from its baseline value (the zero-mark on this graph) to a peak (3 on this graph) and then back to baseline.


In a person with POIS, when orgasm occurs, too much of the hormone is produced, so that its level rises too high.  In compensation, when it falls again, instead of falling back to the baseline, it falls below the baseline.  It then takes a long time to rise again to the baseline value.  During the time that it is below the baseline, the person experiences POIS.


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Diagram 2: POIS individual in red (with normal individual in blue).   The arrow marked “R” represents orgasm, at which point the hormone rises from its baseline value, not to the normal peak (3 on this graph) to a higher peak (6 on this graph).  Consequently, it drops below the baseline (-3 on this graph), and then gradually rises again.  While it is below baseline, the individual suffers POIS symptoms, whereas the normal person never falls below baseline, and so feels fine.



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Diagram 3: Given this structure, one could account for the relief I mysteriously experienced after the second orgasm as follows: After the first orgasm (R1 on the graph), the hormone is over-produced and rises too high, then falls below baseline, causing POIS.  After the second orgasm (R2 on the graph), the POIS-person still produces an excess of the hormone.   That is, on the scale of these graphs, the hormone level rises by 6 (as opposed to a rise of 3 in a normal person).  However, because now the hormone level is starting from the POIS-level of -3, as opposed to the baseline level of the zero-line, the rise of 6 puts the hormone at a peak of 3.  But, this is equivalent to the peak level for a normal person’s orgasm.  Because, in the second orgasm, the hormone never hits the usual "too high" level, the compensation factor does not occur, so that the level can simply return to the baseline level, and no POIS-symptoms are produced.

I think this is pretty similar to Rock27’s theory.  One thing about the my hypothesis, though, it is that it allows for the possibility that the second orgasm is still overproducing the hormone—the ‘relief’ comes from the fact that starting point is different, so that the same excessive amount of rise results in a different high-point.

Incidentally, the graphs on these pages are somewhat similar, but (unsurprisingly) don’t have a double-orgasm graph:
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/addiction/berman/neuro/dopamine.html
http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_and_addiction


In general, it could be the case that POIS is a compensation mechanism to an over-production.  If other agents (e.g. fenugreek, relora) could keep the post-orgasm peak-level within normal bounds, they could also prevent the reaction-compensation from occurring.
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« Reply #2694 on: 07/01/2009 02:02:00 »
Demo, I'm glad to hear there is no tumor! Hopefully the "partially empty sella" finding will lead to some possibilities for you.

Empty Sella Syndrome

John, many thanks for the well-wishing and..the interesting link! Next endo visit/labwork is 1/13.

And sometimes, I feel like I have Empty Brain Syndrome....
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« Reply #2695 on: 07/01/2009 02:12:24 »
...the sheer, massive, physical force of the loss of neurochemicals from my brain brought on by simple orgasm.

I like that powerful statement about POIS. It does make one wonder whether the benign fenugreek or relora is up to the job for the majority of cases! In my Levitra experiments, it does feel like that drug is strong enough...scarily so! (e.g., some people have had vision loss from Levitra)
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« Reply #2696 on: 07/01/2009 02:15:15 »
In a normal (i.e. non-POIS) person, it could be that a certain hormone rises after orgasm from its baseline state, and then shortly thereafter returns to baseline.  This person experiences no negative symptoms in connection with orgasm...

Guthrie, very interesting theory and visuals to understand it better!

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« Reply #2697 on: 07/01/2009 02:17:36 »
DR, WALDINGER'S POIS PAPER 2002 AVAILABLE

Just a reminder that the PDF of this classic (and only study ever) of POIS is available from "Pyropeach". Just send him a Private Message with your email address.

Thanks again, Pyro!

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« Reply #2698 on: 07/01/2009 09:22:25 »
It was through nocturnal emissions I realized that I was having physical loss (semen) with absolutely no physical contact (manual, oral, penile/vaginal sexuality). This concretized, for me, the connection between the brain and semen. While some people experience a greater sense of connectedness, warmth, emotional safety and physical closeness upon orgasm, I am, if I am honest with myself, not one of them. This is why the Hindu-esque or Taoist-esque expositions around semen retention always, sort of, appealed to me, but even that explanation was insufficient. While I don't experience 'flu-like symptoms' there is an 'allergic' quality, upon orgasm, extremely similar, identical actually, to what the alcoholics describe in their literature as 'hangovers'. The 'allergy' I feel on the one extreme, compared to the magic I feel from 'semen retention' make this a slam dunk, for me.

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« Reply #2699 on: 07/01/2009 17:15:55 »
While some people experience a greater sense of connectedness, warmth, emotional safety and physical closeness upon orgasm, I am, if
I am honest with myself, not one of them. This is why the Hindu-esque or Taoist-esque expositions around semen retention always, sort
of, appealed to me, but even that explanation was insufficient. While I don't experience 'flu-like symptoms' there is an 'allergic' quality,
upon orgasm, extremely similar, identical actually, to what the alcoholics describe in their literature as 'hangovers'. The 'allergy' I feel on
the one extreme, compared to the magic I feel from 'semen retention' make this a slam dunk, for me.

I also do not feel a greater sense of emotional connectednesss upon orgasm. ESPECIALLY because of that "hangover aspect"
that is the unfortunate result of orgasm, due to POIS. But even before I had POIS symptoms, the orgasm just wasn't the end
all and be all for me. The closeness that I feel usually comes more from cuddling and affectionate foreplay, and even intimate
and soulful conversations shared in bed. (I thought this was a "female thing.") The orgasm can be a nice stress releaser, pro-
vided you're not totally wasted afterwards, but with POIS why bother taking that risk.