Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #3150 on: 27/01/2009 17:15:29 »

I am somewhat affected (with POIS) this time, as opposed to my previous NE episodes.


John, I don't have any suggestions, but I'm very sorry to hear that the NE "gotcha" this time out, and do wish you a very speedy POIS-recovery!!
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« Reply #3151 on: 27/01/2009 17:56:36 »


3rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)


at the risk of sounding ignorant what are Hcg, Hmg, and Toco 8?


mister_z, not ignorant at all! This is another reason it would be  nice for CCconfucius' "anonymous sufferer" to come forward.

I certainly would like to ask him, too! All I could find on hcg is, "Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is a glycoprotein hormone produced in pregnancy that is made by the embryo soon after conception..."

???

The point of me posting the response is to show that we all need to get our hormones checked and to proceed with our unique results. I was just giving clue about some of the things we should ask doctor. I was not using to suggest any treatment i was hoping your doctors will be the one making the best decision on that. 
Like B-jim said younger people might have to take a different route in using dhea and i agree i have seen the result of trying to take dhea without guidiance.
That post was a reference not the sure way.


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« Reply #3152 on: 27/01/2009 18:18:10 »
"Anonymous sufferer" ?
I prefer dialogue !

Deloun--
I've read about and experimented with cold showers--Inconclusive for me.
I totally agree that hot/cold alternating water/showers will help circulation;
So will exercise and alternating breathing.
Thanks for your suggestion for anxiety.

Demo--
T Patches. If they continue to make you feel better, ipso facto they must strenthen your nervous system and immune system, part of a whole process of recovery even if not "the" bullet to kill POIS. That's why "anonymous" needs to show up. He referred to many bullets. We need to hear how he "felt" during the process. He mentioned he rebalanced his neurotransmitters; I'd like to know how!  Also,
I think it is very, very helpful to discuss other illnesses eg. (CFS GAD) if there is "relevancy" to POIS. Granted we want to stay on topic, but sensible hypotheses or connections made to POIS grounded in personal observation may be very helpful.  



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« Reply #3153 on: 27/01/2009 18:38:02 »
Girlwind, you said that you haven't tested for prolactin, but maybe it could help you?

This new article states, similarly to the one below, "We found that CFS subjects show a higher prolactin response than controls..."
http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/iop/prt/cfs.htm

my original post to you (first article):
PROLACTIN AND CFS

Girlwind and other CFS-affected individuals here: this seemed like an intriguing link. It requires only simple registration, but here is the Google description:

"Baseline prolactin levels were the same in all three groups, but rose much faster and higher in the patients with CFS than in the other two groups after ..."   http://general-medicine.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/1992/512/6


Thanks, Demo, I will check out the article.

I am approaching the hormonal issue cautiously. I am working on the thyroid and adrenals first, as they are my most
significant hormonal problems. I'm going to take BABY doses for thyroid, smaller than anything the doctor has given to
anyone else. I requested this and he agreed that I could do it my way. (I REALLY like that!) Most of his patients start with
10 mcg/day, for the thyroid. I will be taking only 1 mcg/day. For the adrenals, I will be taking cortisol at 2.5 mg/day,
half of the usual dose. He said my goal should be to try to raise the thyroid up to 10 mcg/day over time. He left it up to
me HOW to  do that, based on how I am feeling. I trust myself to take my time.

As for prolactin and testosterone (there is apparently a significant relationship btwn these two, as has been posted here
before), I am also deficient in testosterone, estrogen and DHEA, but I will wait until after I have done the thyroid and cortisol.
I don't want to overwhelm myself with so many hormonal changes all at once. In about 3 months I will retest my levels and
reassess what to do next.

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« Reply #3154 on: 27/01/2009 19:06:54 »
The point of me posting the response is to show that we all need to get our hormones checked and to proceed with our unique results.
I was just giving clue about some of the things we should ask doctor. I was not using to suggest any treatment i was hoping your doctors
will be the one making the best decision on that. 
Like B-jim said younger people might have to take a different route in using dhea and i agree i have seen the result of trying to take dhea without guidiance.

That post was a reference not the sure way.

YES! I agree with CConfucius-- This is the point of posting the anonymous poster's information (*without officially getting his
permission I might add). If he wants to come forward it's up to him. But it's the info that he has provided that should give us all
HOPE plus a clue about how important hormonal balance can be to someone who has POIS. We are DEFINITELY all different.
But hopefully it might motivate people here to at least consider investigating their hormone levels and finding out WHAT's UP.

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« Reply #3155 on: 27/01/2009 21:50:50 »
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Several months ago I requested many laboratory blood and urine tests and went to an orthomolecular doctor and one of the things she diagnosed is that I have a poor methylation. Choline plays a vital role in methylation.

Deloun, how did she determine that your methylation is poor?

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« Reply #3156 on: 27/01/2009 21:55:08 »
Girlwind--
I totally agree that the "information" regarding possible POIS therapies is the key factor. I am now much more aware of the importance of hormones, not only for POIS, but for my GAD. In fact, I'm beginning to sense a connection that I did't make prior to my discussions here. For example, I now suspect that not only GABA (neurotransmitter) helps my anxiety condition by reducing stress (probable impact on adrenals generally), but that it may also help regulate serotonin and dopamine, with direct consequences for the balancing of prolactin and cortisol. Before, I didn't suspect that gaba might work in conjunction with the other two inhibitory neurotransmitters, all three of them then helping regulate the hormones cortisol and prolactin and visa versa; a complex dance indeed. And perhaps at the foundation of all of this, amino acids, enzymes etc. Since my POIS symptoms mirror those of GAD (during an anxiety flare up), I am now  studying GAD in a much broader context, and if I can fix GAD more comprehensively, then POIS may just follow. In my case, I've always felt that orgasm took my basic adrenal releases of epinephrine and kicked it up a notch to excessive cortisol and perhaps other (prolactin) releases. I didn't realize that there may be a continuous regular intervening activity of the neurotransmitters during the intitial phases of orgasm. That would mean that all hormones and neuotransmitters are constantly working together, not some drawn out sequential type of thing with "balancing the account" afterwards. So thanks for helping with my thinking on this. As far as a concrete contribution to POIS or GAD, I'll share it if I one of my experiments gets at least get to the "cautiously optimistic" point.

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« Reply #3157 on: 27/01/2009 22:28:38 »
Underwater--

Yes... The neurotransmitter/hormone opus is a very elaborate orchestra piece. It feels like we all have been trying to figure
out the notes by ear, one by one, for each of the many "instruments" involved. It would be SO NICE if someone just gave us
the music. But NO, unfortunately, it's up to us to figure it out.  [>:(] [>:(] [>:(] [>:(] [>:(]

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« Reply #3158 on: 28/01/2009 00:09:59 »
Girlwind and all,

You're right. If it weren't for this forum, I wouldn't have dreamed of checking my hormones and/or seeing an endocrinologist! And I'm stubborn, so it's taken me 2 years of being here!

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« Reply #3159 on: 28/01/2009 00:14:26 »
MY POSTING

I might not be able to post here for a while, fixing my laptop - and my cellphone doesn't have posting ability here.

But I can receive and send PM (Private Messages)on my cellphone.

And I WILL be reading your curative posts! [:)]

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« Reply #3160 on: 28/01/2009 00:31:18 »
Girlwind I wish you success with this new treatment. B_Jim is right in what he's saying about hormones in general so just be careful. As with any thyroid treatment check the heart function, I don't know exactly what you can do, maybe a periodic ecg. But I suppose they're taking care of this.

John, soja contains a lot of nutrients. Its absence can eventually be the cause or perhaps a lack of light or vitamin D during the winter.. About choline I took a supplement without success. In the form of lecithin or brain however I could have a good effect for 5 minutes, after the first intake only. Nothing significant. I feel that lecithin could be involved in the cure but perhaps not well absorbed. When I was younger I had success in alleviating pois with eggs but I can't have this effect again.




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« Reply #3161 on: 28/01/2009 00:32:32 »
CCconfucius re SSTAR

CCc, I heard back from SSTAR's Yvonnada McNeil, (email: ymcneil AT acog.org ) - and rather than wait for the merry-go-round through her, I simply emailed back Ms. McNeil and asked her to forward my letter + attachment to Jane Ashby. So we're one step closer.

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« Reply #3162 on: 28/01/2009 01:14:15 »
Thanks to all who are concerned for your investigation with SSTAR meeting.

I wanted to add to my somewhat intrusive(!)theory about phosphatemia. I'm not convinced about this but I was surprised to find the following :

from wikipedia :
hypophosphatemia
Some symptoms looks like pois :

Muscle dysfunction and weakness.This occurs in major muscles, but also may manifest as: diplopia, low cardiac output,dysphagia, and respiratory depression due to respiratory muscle weakness.Mental status changes. This may range from irritability to gross confusion,delirium, and coma.White cell dysfunction, causing worsening of infections Instability of cell membrates due to low ATP levels: this may cause
rhabdomyolysis with increased CPK, and also hemolytic anemia


link with carbohydrates :
large amounts of carbohydrates, which creates a high phosphorus demand by cells
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« Reply #3163 on: 28/01/2009 01:52:44 »
Girlwind I wish you success with this new treatment. B_Jim is right in what he's saying about hormones in general so just be careful. As with any thyroid treatment check the heart function, I don't know exactly what you can do, maybe a periodic ecg. But I suppose they're taking care of this.

Martin--I have learned that those with low normal thyroid levels (like me) are MORE at risk for heart attack.
This is one of the important reasons to treat it.  (Below, I have quotes from the website of the doctors I'm working with.)

"Low normal thyroid levels result in a higher risk of heart disease than if you have high cholesterol, high blood pressure,
if you smoke or even have diabetes. Individuals with low normal thyroid levels are 2.5 times more likely to suffer a heart attack.

This is greater than if you have high cholesterol (2.4 times risk), high blood pressure (1.6 times risk), if you smoke (2 times
risk) or have diabetes (2.4 times risk). Doctors and patients are well aware of these risk factors for heart disease but fail to cor-
rect the more important low normal thyroid levels. Many patients needlessly suffer heart attacks because their physician
tells them their thyroid is fine because it is in the normal range instead of optimizing to more optimal levels."

 
"Low thyroid is associated with an increased risk of coronary artery disease, heart attack, heart enlargement, stroke,
infections, and cancer."

Coronary-Artery Disease in Hypothyroidism.
FROM: The Lancet.
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« Reply #3164 on: 28/01/2009 02:31:44 »
Girlwind I wish you success with this new treatment. B_Jim is right in what he's saying about hormones in general so just be careful. As with any thyroid treatment check the heart function, I don't know exactly what you can do, maybe a periodic ecg. But I suppose they're taking care of this.

Martin--I have learned that those with low normal thyroid levels (like me) are MORE at risk for heart attack.
This is one of the important reasons to treat it.  (Below, I have quotes from the website of the doctors I'm working with.)

"Low normal thyroid levels result in a higher risk of heart disease than if you have high cholesterol, high blood pressure,
if you smoke or even have diabetes. Individuals with low normal thyroid levels are 2.5 times more likely to suffer a heart attack.

This is greater than if you have high cholesterol (2.4 times risk), high blood pressure (1.6 times risk), if you smoke (2 times
risk) or have diabetes (2.4 times risk). Doctors and patients are well aware of these risk factors for heart disease but fail to cor-
rect the more important low normal thyroid levels. Many patients needlessly suffer heart attacks because their physician
tells them their thyroid is fine because it is in the normal range instead of optimizing to more optimal levels."

 
"Low thyroid is associated with an increased risk of coronary artery disease, heart attack, heart enlargement, stroke,
infections, and cancer."

Coronary-Artery Disease in Hypothyroidism.
FROM: The Lancet.

I should give more precisions :
I'm just saying that with any treatment for thyroid the heart should be checked for possible severe forms of arrhytmia. That's all ! Sometimes just a small test can prevent more serious problems. Note that I didn't tell you "don't take this treatment". I think that what you're saying is compatible with what I said.

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« Reply #3165 on: 28/01/2009 13:00:33 »
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Several months ago I requested many laboratory blood and urine tests and went to an orthomolecular doctor and one of the things she diagnosed is that I have a poor methylation. Choline plays a vital role in methylation.

Deloun, how did she determine that your methylation is poor?

Well, I've requested laboratory tests for quite a lot of things and those results together tell the story. Some of the results of the laboratory tests that are signals of poor methylation are lack of some vitamins and amino acids, relatively high homocysteine and deficiencies of some neurotransmitters. But I'll post about it later in more detail, besides poor methylation there are other things that are noticeable, so I'm planning to go through all the results again and post about the things that are noticeable here.

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« Reply #3166 on: 28/01/2009 13:12:01 »
Girlwind, could you tell me what exactly isn't working correctly regarding your thyroid? A result of a laboratory test of my urine showed a normal level of T4 but a deficiency of T3 on it's own and besides that T3 is too low in relation to T4. So a deficiency of T3 and a T3/T4 ratio that is out of balance.

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« Reply #3167 on: 28/01/2009 14:27:46 »
Hi Deloun,
Your results are remarkably helpful, thank you for reporting. Were these tests asked by a naturopathic doctor ?
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« Reply #3168 on: 28/01/2009 15:31:54 »
Hi Deloun,
Your results are remarkably helpful, thank you for reporting. Were these tests asked by a naturopathic doctor ?

Hi martin88, you're welcome, it would be nice if it could be of any help to anyone here.
 
A little while ago I've done some research for a while to look for any substances that could be related to my POIS symptoms and that I could get tested with laboratory research. As a result I requested application forms for tests, at the European Laboratory of Nutrients (ELN) (1), a well regarded laboratory situated in the Netherlands, which has a connection to another well regarded laboratory in the USA, Vitamin Diagnostics. I filled in requests for many things that in my view and according to the research that I have done, could be related in any way to my POIS symptoms. After that I went to my local doctor and asked for a referral to a medical center in the Netherlands, Medisch Centrum (Medical Center) Rhijnauwen in Bunnik (2), who has a connection to the ELN. In this way all costs were covered by my basic health insurance in the Netherlands, except for one test, the Melisa test. For anyone who wants to get some things tested, I can recommend these two laboratories and for anyone who lives in or near the Netherlands I can recommend to do it via the Medisch Centrum Rhijnauwen (MCR) (2) to get a chance of getting the costs covered by insurance, but I recommend to always check the current state of possibilities to get it covered (I did it end of last year, so things could have changed this year) and to contact the MCR (2) about it, which I also did beforehand.

After the results were in, I've made appointments to two different orthomolecular doctors, Kim van Wetten at the MCR (2) and Robert Trossèl at the PMC Rotterdam (3), which I can both recommend and in my opinion it can never hurt to check with two different doctors.

(1) http://europeanlaboratory.com
(2) http://www.medischcentrumbunnik.nl
(3) http://www.preventiefmedischcentrum.nl
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« Reply #3169 on: 28/01/2009 15:42:40 »
Girlwind, could you tell me what exactly isn't working correctly regarding your thyroid? A result of a laboratory test of my urine showed a normal level of T4 but a deficiency of T3 on it's own and besides that T3 is too low in relation to T4. So a deficiency of T3 and a T3/T4 ratio that is out of balance.

Deloun--Your situation is similar to mine, as I also have low T3, with optimal T4. They call this "poor T4 to T3 conversion."
I took Ashwaghanda for 3 1/2 months for this. It is an adaptogenic herb that is supposed to help T4 convert to T3. I saw
some improvement and my blood test results confirmed this--when I retested just recently. I DEFINITELY felt better from
taking the Ashwaghanda, but I still have non-optimal results for both T3 and Reverse T3. Because I have had CFS for 30
years, and have taken only herbal and vitamin supplements for ALL this time, I've decided to give the hormones a chance.
I just began a round of very low dose cortisol (to boost my still non-optimal cortisol levels). After taking this for a week or
so... I will start taking a time released T3 thyroid formulation. I am going to continue all of my adrenal boosters along with
my hormones. This includes: Pantothenic acid 3-5 grams/day with 3-5 grams Vit. C; Schizandra Adrenal Complex (made by
Planetary Formulas)--6 caps; Siberian ginseng (Imperial Brand)--6 caps; B complex 100 mg; Maca powder in my morning
smoothie--approx. 1 tsp. and sea salt/seaweed in my cooking.  I also take other supplements--much too long to list here.

I would recommend that you find someone to work with who is really skilled and knowledgeable in the area of hormones.
I am seeing a couple of endocrinologists, as well as a naturopath, who has many years of experience with hormone balancing,
and an acupuncturist, who I've worked with for 20 years. I want "checks and balances," so I won't be trusting just one person
with this. I'm also educating myself as much as I can about hormones, both on line and in print. Mary Shomon's book--Living
Well With Hypothyroidism has been an excellent resource on thyroid. She also has a website.  http://www.thyroid-info.com/

And, if you want to read up on the work of the doctors I am seeing, their website has a lot of good info on many of the main
hormone issues--especially thyroid and also testosterone.   http://holtorfmed.reachlocal.net/index.php
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« Reply #3170 on: 28/01/2009 16:10:57 »
Girlwind, thanks a lot for your help. I would be interested if the time released T3 thyroid formulation and other supplements will be of help to you. Interesting links you gave, thanks for that. After opening the link you gave, http://www.thyroid-info.com, I read under "Key links": "Selenium: An Essential Thyroid Nutrient". The results of the laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of selenium, do you happen to have a deficiency for this as well?

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« Reply #3171 on: 28/01/2009 17:26:28 »
Girlwind, thanks a lot for your help. I would be interested if the time released T3 thyroid formulation and other supplements will be of help to you. Interesting links you gave, thanks for that. After opening the link you gave, http://www.thyroid-info.com, I read under "Key links": "Selenium: An Essential Thyroid Nutrient". The results of the laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of selenium, do you happen to have a deficiency for this as well?

Good question... According to my last hair mineral analysis I wasn't deficient in selenium. The mineral supplement I currently
take does contain some, so that probably explains why.

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« Reply #3172 on: 28/01/2009 17:50:11 »
Since many years ago I've been suspecting that the mercury in amalgam fillings could be the cause to my complaints. Then for some time I let it rest and searched for other causes and solutions, but every now and then the thoughts about the mercury returned.
A while ago I started to look further into it and to read about it on the internet and in a book to gather a lot of information about it and to search for a possible connection to POIS. During that my suspicion that it could play an important role only grew.

So I've also requested laboratory tests regarding mercury.

Tests:

I've requested a DMPS test, a saliva test for mercury and a Melisa test.

The DMPS test works by taking a mercury chelator and then collecting urine for 4 hours, which will be tested for the quantity of mercury in it.

The saliva test works by chewing on a chewing gum and then collecting the saliva, which will then be tested for the quantity of mercury.

The Melisa test is an allergy test that tests for an allergic reaction to several metals.

Results:

The DMPS and saliva tests showed way too much mercury and the melisa test showed an allergic reaction to several mercury metals.

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« Reply #3173 on: 28/01/2009 17:56:27 »
Girlwind, thanks a lot for your help. I would be interested if the time released T3 thyroid formulation and other supplements will be of help to you. Interesting links you gave, thanks for that. After opening the link you gave, http://www.thyroid-info.com, I read under "Key links": "Selenium: An Essential Thyroid Nutrient". The results of the laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of selenium, do you happen to have a deficiency for this as well?

Good question... According to my last hair mineral analysis I wasn't deficient in selenium. The mineral supplement I currently
take does contain some, so that probably explains why.

OK, the tests that I've had were in urine and blood, maybe those can show deficiencies while not be shown in a hair analysis. Or maybe you already supplemented it enough like you said, yes. Both urine and blood analysis showed deficiencies of selenium.

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« Reply #3174 on: 28/01/2009 18:14:41 »
Since many years ago I've been suspecting that the mercury in amalgam fillings could be the cause to my complaints. \

I've requested a DMPS test, a saliva test for mercury and a Melisa test.

The DMPS and saliva tests showed way too much mercury and the melisa test showed an allergic reaction to several mercury metals.

Deloun--Where did you get the saliva test for mercury?  I want this!

I have had heavy metals show up in me and did a lot of different chelators. The PCA Rx was one of the better ones.
Check it out. http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_CMS_Templates_STD_HTML.asp?PageINDX=23

The reason that heavy metal contamination is significant to this forum, for anyone who may want to know, many sources indicate
that heavy metals are neuro-toxins as well as endocrine hormone disrupters.
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« Reply #3175 on: 28/01/2009 18:40:47 »
Girlwind-- (deloun too)

Remember I asked you about this? It has always been in the "way back" of my mind. When I was a kid back in medieval times, every time I went to the hellish denist I must have had 3-4 fillings. I think at one point I had over 22 fillings in my mouth, probably by age 11. Around 12 years old, I had excruciating headaches. 14 years old growth in nipples. Absolutley horrendous sinus allergies. If you get a mercury test, then I will have to get one also. [I'm not inclined "yet" to do any hormone testing, because I think I have a different causality to my POIS.] Bummer, another thing to consider.

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« Reply #3176 on: 28/01/2009 18:56:17 »
Since many years ago I've been suspecting that the mercury in amalgam fillings could be the cause to my complaints. \

I've requested a DMPS test, a saliva test for mercury and a Melisa test.

The DMPS and saliva tests showed way too much mercury and the melisa test showed an allergic reaction to several mercury metals.

Deloun--

Where did you get the saliva test for mercury?  I want this!

I have had heavy metals show up in me and did a lot of different chelators. The PCA Rx was one of the better ones.
Check it out.   http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_CMS_Templates_STD_HTML.asp?PageINDX=23

I've had all tests, including the saliva test, done at the European Laboratory of Nutrients (1). But I believe that the DMPS test is of more significance to show the amount of mercury inside the body, I believe that it should at least be considered to take it alongside the saliva test, if it hasn't already been analyzed yet. And off course the melisa test can be of significance, for me it showed the allergy for mercury, but is very expensive and doesn't get covered by insurance here in the Netherlands, while the others do.

Like I mentioned earlier, the European Laboratory of Nutrients works together with the Vitamin Diagnostics laboratory in the USA and some of the tests are analyzed there. I believe that I have also seen test kits for mercury saliva tests that can be ordered online on the internet.
Regarding the DMPS test, I've heard that it's better that the test is set up in such a way that the collection of the urine takes place in at least several hours, but the test itself must be set up for that, and off course the instructions should always be followed. The DMPS test of the ELN is set up to collect the urine in a period of 4 hours after the DMPS capsule has been taken.

I've made an appointment for next month with my dentist to have all my amalgam fillings replaced. But like you said, it is very important to have a long period of effective chelation therapy, which I also plan to begin with, after the fillings are replaced.

I have bought a book about mercury amalgam fillings and chelation therapy called "Amalgam Illness" by "Andrew Hall Cutler" (2), which I can really recommend. He is a chemist who himself has been sick by amalgam fillings and he has cured himself. In his book he describes a chelation protocol where alpha lipoic acid and either DMSA or DMPS are being used. I plan to follow the chelation protocol with alpha lipoic acid and DMSA, since DMSA seems to be more effective then DMPS, according to scientific research that I've read online.

(1) http://europeanlaboratory.com
(2) http://www.noamalgam.com

Edit: replaced incorrect second link by correct one
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« Reply #3177 on: 28/01/2009 19:08:12 »

would toco-8 be tocopherol aka vitamin E ?

Yes your right.


mister_z, your guess is as good as mine! Unless "anonymous sufferer" comes forward we won't know. But don't worry, mister_z, this is the first time in 2 years since the forum started that this type of anonymous posting has occurred.
 

Hi all,

I report back now after several months of no symptoms of POIS that I have fully cured my POIS by reimbalancing my hormone  and neurotransmitter levels.No more depression, mood swings, headaches/mirgraines/foggy brain/muscle and joints pain, exhaustion, inflammation of the eyes, stomach bloating, indigestion, diaheera, stomach pain & cold,flu like symptoms after an orgasm.

You can check in my last few posts that I said I was getting furthur hormone bloodwork,  saliva and urine neurotransmitter tests done and would take the action necessary to reach optimal hormone levels.

The short version :

Low total+Free/Bio testosterone levels
Low Cortisol & Dhea levels = Adrenal fatigue
Low-Mid range Thyroid (Free T3)
Very High prolactin levels
High Estriol+Estrone levels
High Progesterone levels
Low Dht levels

Very Low Serotonin levels
Very Low Gaba levels

I made a big mistake by going on testosterone cypionate shots but i was lucky I did not completely shut down my HPTA and desensitise my testes Lh signals as I was shooting HCG* E2D to keep the natural production of T from completely shutting down.

I then had to use HCG+HMG/FSH+Toco8 to fully restart natural t production to optimal levels as I did not want to stay on T shots for life.I found that by eating more red meats, eggs and in general more protein and less carbs helped with the restart.It was not a easy process though alot of ups and downs.

I burnt my adrenals out in my late teens by overtraining in boxing and mixing that with overdrinking spirits(straight bottles of vodka, brandy etc) and taking too many stimulants and partying with very little sleep for a few years.I didnt notice the adrenal fatigue till around age 21 in my trip to New York.

Iam using 6mg of Medrol, 5mg Dhea sublingual+15mg dhea cream, Maca, Pantothenic Acid and Vitamin C to heal my adrenals. I also had a period where I would sleep in for 10-12 hours and take naps often in the day.

The cortisol from the medrol is used from the body and that shuts down the bodies own production of cortisol which gives the adrenal glands time to recover.

After starting on Medrol for around 4-6 weeks, I then started
on Armour 1/2 grain and increased 1/4 to 1/2 grain every 2 weeks too 2 grains.

I understand I will need to wean of both Medrol and Armour after 6-24 months depending on the individual.

I had very high prolactin levels which is the cause of crap libido and very slow refractory periods after an orgasm and also can cause headaches/migraines and an overall foggy, drained feeling.

I used Cabaser/Dostinex/Cabergoline(All same drug) to lower to 1/4 of the lower range which is perfect.Now I sometimes use the USP supplement Powerfull when I want to go more than once which has scientifically been proven to reduce prolactin levels and increase testosterone and dopamine levels.

I improved my good to bad estrogen ratio by taking calcium glutarate and Broccoli extract to lower the high estrone and estriol.

The very low serotonin and gaba levels which caused me anxiety, depression, mood swings and often in the past heart palpitations was cured easily by taking gaba and 5htp.

I had to drink a glass of orange juice everytime I took a 5htp tablet to make sure the 5htp would pass the brain barrier and also I found that gaba sublingually was more effective than standard oral tablets.

I was stumped on the high progesterone levels and low dht levels for a while. I looked everywhere on how to lower progesterone directly but the only sources I found proven to lower progesterone was to increase dht levels.

Luckily for me that by increasing my testosterone levels, some of the increased testosterone converted to dihydrotestosterone and then lowered my progesterone levels
 :)

I guess when you sort one thing out it will reach to the rest.

Once my DHT+Test levels were near the top of the range, E2 mid range and Prolactin was within 1/4 of the lower range this is when I feel my best for libido, overall physically feeling a hell of a lot stronger and very confident mentally.

I do still monitor my hormone levels every month or 2 as sometimes I get lazy with supplements and diet or I have a period of eating crap junk food .. lol

oh ... I solved my stomach bloating and indigestion by taking Hydrochloride Betaine, Q-Zyme Digestive Enzyeme blend and primal defense Ultra probiotic formula.

I recommend everyone to have their hormones and neurotransmitter checked either through their local gp/dr or through an independant lab, ZRT, Quest etc

Hormones:

Total+Free/Bio Test, LH+FSH, Estradiol(E2), SHBG, Prolactin, Cortisol(Saliva, morning, noon, evening, night), Dhea, IGF-1, Progetesterone, Dht, Free T3 (Free T4,TSH if possible),

You will know exactly what is wrong and there would be no more second guessing :)

Remember even if you have already had hormone tests done and your doctor says you are fine or normal. It usually isnt the case as they do go by ranges only and not age to range.For example :

A 70 year old male could have a Total testosterone level of

350 with ranges of 250-850

but a 21 yr old could have the same level yet most drs will say you are normal because you are within range.

The dont tell you that 250-350 test level is normal for a 70-80 yr old and the upper range 800+ is normal for a late teenager or early 20s. Obviously we feel the best when our t levels are higher than lower.

A good doc would do furthur tests like E2, Prolactin, Cortisol, Free T3, SHBG and others to check what is causing the low t levels even if it is within "range".

It happened to me and I let it go for years thinking there was nothing wrong with my hormone levels until I started to do my own research and studying many Anti Aging Specialists posts on the anabolic and metaphorsis forums.


I did all my tests at home even the blood tests (just a simple pr.ick of the finger) and did them the morning after an ejaculation. This way it showed me exactly what was going wrong in my body during the symptoms of POIS.

I kind of knew I had low testosterone as I had no drive for life, no libido and felt like sh1t in general and lost a ton of strength and muscle and gained alot of weight in fat.

I also guessed I had adrenal fatigue due to having no energy all day and night dispite sleeping 10-12 hours. I didnt want to speak to people and even had social anxiety due to the crap adrenal fatigue but the good thing is that I have it no more :)

I had no idea about the high prolactin, low DHT, high Progesterone, High estrone & Estriol(Bad estrogens) so it is best to get everything checked as much as possible.

hmmm ... i think thats all for now, any questions please fire away.

Michael




*HCG

Benefits of HCG supplementation:
1. Aesthetic maintenance of testicular size
2. Maintaining activity of testicular Leydig cells - promoting natural testosterone production - preventing primary hypogonadism
3. Improving sex drive greatly (perhaps more so than just with testosterone replacement

HCG acts like LH (Luteinizing Hormone).

LH has several actions, such as:
1. It stimulates testosterone production from the testes
2. It stimulates the production of aromatase enzyme
3. It stimulates the production of Cytochrome P450sc enzyme

Written by a Physician, Psychiatrist, Behavioral Neuroendocrinology, Immunology, and Nutrition = Psychiatry in Dr Romeo B. Mariano.

The above was taking from my posts made several months back.
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« Reply #3178 on: 28/01/2009 19:11:44 »
Girlwind-- (deloun too)

Remember I asked you about this? It has always been in the "way back" of my mind. When I was a kid back in medieval times, every time I went to the hellish denist I must have had 3-4 fillings. I think at one point I had over 22 fillings in my mouth, probably by age 11. Around 12 years old, I had excruciating headaches. 14 years old growth in nipples. Absolutley horrendous sinus allergies. If you get a mercury test, then I will have to get one also. [I'm not inclined "yet" to do any hormone testing, because I think I have a different causality to my POIS.] Bummer, another thing to consider.

Yes, I remember to have read about it before on the forum. I recognize it, that it has always been in the back of my mind too, since a long time. It's probably a good idea to get tests done regarding mercury, but in my view the only way to be sure remains to get the fillings replaced and go through chelation therapy, in the end.

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« Reply #3179 on: 28/01/2009 19:39:47 »
Michael8028, congratulations with the fact that you have cured your POIS!

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« Reply #3180 on: 28/01/2009 20:15:02 »
Michael--
Thank you very much for such a comprehensive explanation.

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« Reply #3181 on: 28/01/2009 20:52:38 »

Hi all,

I report back now after several months of no symptoms of POIS that I have fully cured my POIS by reimbalancing my hormone  and neurotransmitter levels.No more depression, mood swings, headaches/mirgraines/foggy brain/muscle and joints pain, exhaustion, inflammation of the eyes, stomach bloating, indigestion, diaheera, stomach pain & cold,flu like symptoms after an orgasm.

THANKS MICHAEL for your posting! I also want to thank you publicly for getting me on the right track with
all the hormone balancing info that you provided for me, and your input on my test results back a few months ago.
It wasvery helpful in initiating by interest in this subject of the endocrine hormones, and in giving me direction on
how to proceed.

MANY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM have been waiting for your return with your very positive end results, so I'm
hoping they will take advantage of the situation to ask you all the questions they need and want to ask.

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« Reply #3182 on: 29/01/2009 00:20:22 »
Michael8028----
Thanks again. I have a follow up question regarding gaba. You indicate you took it sublingually. Could you tell me if you still take it? If so, what is your dosage?
What time of day do you take it? Do you take it daily? Do you take it alone, or with any other drugs/supplements? What is the brand? How long have you been taking it?

Regarding 5htp, how did you come to choose orange juice as the preferred method for ingesting 5htp? How does orange juice broken down in the stomach and intestines assist 5htp in reaching appropriate receptors in the brain? Do you still take it? What is your dose? What is your brand? Do you take it alone? How long have you been taking it?

I very much appreciate your contributions & looking forward to your answers-------

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« Reply #3183 on: 29/01/2009 00:48:13 »
some of you mention an impressive variety of hormonal tests; myself i had to argue endless to have my doctor finally give up and have me get a free testosterone test.. how does one actually gets his/her M.D to agree to specific tests? i am due to redo the testosterone once again to be sure and eventually take testosterone pills... (i am well below normal, which is strange i always thought id be in the high end of normal range)
but id like to get some other tests done, like prolactin for instance; even electrolytes i cant get my doc to agree to ! if only i had the possibility to write my own prescriptions ;) i bet all my health problems would be sorted by now (i do my research very carefuly and even out of plain scientific curiosity)... instead i have to beg (almost) to get anything decent out of my doc.. (and all docs are the same where i live)
i wanted to ask you guys also, i dunno if it has been mentioned here, if anyone has tried tyrosine (at high dose)/phenylalanine, lysine or glutamine (at high dose too)
i have been testing glutamine (perhaps at not high enough a dose, literature mentions very high doses around 10g), also tyrosine, which in itself has given a little general boost, as in, feeling less out of it. (of course thats what i expected since it boosts dopamine)

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« Reply #3184 on: 29/01/2009 01:02:13 »
some of you mention an impressive variety of hormonal tests; myself i had to argue endless to have my doctor finally give up and have me get a free testosterone
test.. how does one actually gets his/her M.D to agree to specific tests?

but id like to get some other tests done, like prolactin for instance; even electrolytes i cant get my doc to agree to ! if only i had the possibility to write my own prescriptions ;) i bet all my health problems would be sorted by now (i do my research very carefuly and even out of plain scientific curiosity)... instead i have to beg (almost) to get anything decent out of my doc..  (and all docs are the same where i live)

MISTER Z--You are in luck and your wish has come true. There really is a place where YOU can order your own blood tests.
and here it is.
 

 https://www.mymedlab.com/tests.php

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« Reply #3185 on: 29/01/2009 01:13:05 »
Michael8028----
Thanks again. I have a follow up question regarding gaba. You indicate you took it sublingually. Could you tell me if you still take it? If so, what is your dosage?
What time of day do you take it? Do you take it daily? Do you take it alone, or with any other drugs/supplements? What is the brand? How long have you been taking it?

Regarding 5htp, how did you come to choose orange juice as the preferred method for ingesting 5htp? How does orange juice broken down in the stomach and intestines assist 5htp in reaching appropriate receptors in the brain? Do you still take it? What is your dose? What is your brand? Do you take it alone? How long have you been taking it?

I very much appreciate your contributions & looking forward to your answers-------

Hi underwater,

You are very welcome and Iam glad my post was helpful to you.

When i first took Gaba supplements it was in the form of powder or capsules. I had to take high doses just to feel the calming effect and raise the gaba levels slightly. 1-2 grams was common daily.

Iam not sure if the gaba supplements in powder or pills were of bad quality or maybe it just wasnt crossing the blood brain barrier but shortly changing to Source naturals Gaba calm sublingual even at 2 tabs(gaba amount 125mg a tab) a day it was enough and Gaba levels reached the optimal level.

I take 1 tab in the morning usually and 1 tab again whenever I feel I require it, can be anytime.Yes i still continue to use the Source Naturals Gaba Calm. I plan to reduce it to 1 tab a day in the next month and if all is well to stop it completely within 2 months.



Well I had been taking 5htp up to 600mg a day  from pills to capsules and I definetly felt some effects in helping my anxiety, nervousness and mood post orgasm but it was costly at such a high dose and had a feeling the 5htp wasn't assimilated properly or that it wasn't crossing the blood brain barrier.

During my daily research I came across a poster on the mesomorphosis forum who had low serotonin levels and was taking 300/400mg of 5htp a day.

In his post he said dispite taking this high amount of 5htp his low serotonin levels only increased slightly and was no where near the optimal level. Later on his physician/MD had advised him to drink a glass of Orange juice on an empty stomach before taking 5htp to help the assimilation process and to avoid any proteins for 1 hour.

Well after 6 weeks of this strategy my serotonin levels rose to inside the optimal range. With the orange juice and empty stomach I only needed 300mg a day and now Iam currently taking 100-200mg a day but not everyday just whenever I feel the need.

I cant always go by urine neurotransmitter anaylsis so symptoms will have to do for now :)

Sorry I do not have the answer to your question of the how part but Iam sure there are studies on pubmed unless this was the posters physicians own theory?

I wouldnt advise anyone to just start supplementing gaba or 5htp as you could have optimal levels or even worse, high levels of gaba and serotonin.I would recommend a neurotransmitter urine anaylise to confirm these levels.

Hope this is helpful Underwater,

Michael
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« Reply #3186 on: 29/01/2009 01:19:54 »
deloun,B_Jim, girlwind & CCconfucius.

Thank you for your kind words and I'am glad my post of my experiences has been helpful to you all.

It was my pleasure to help you in our pms, girlwind and CCconfucius.Iam very happy that you had faith in looking into the hormone side of things :) and wish you all the best of luck in treating and curing Pois.

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« Reply #3187 on: 29/01/2009 03:19:54 »
Hi Deloun,
Your results are remarkably helpful, thank you for reporting. Were these tests asked by a naturopathic doctor ?

Hi martin88, you're welcome, it would be nice if it could be of any help to anyone here.
 
A little while ago I've done some research for a while to look for any substances that could be related to my POIS symptoms and that I could get tested with laboratory research. As a result I requested application forms for tests, at the European Laboratory of Nutrients (ELN) (1), a well regarded laboratory situated in the Netherlands, which has a connection to another well regarded laboratory in the USA, Vitamin Diagnostics. I filled in requests for many things that in my view and according to the research that I have done, could be related in any way to my POIS symptoms. After that I went to my local doctor and asked for a referral to a medical center in the Netherlands, Medisch Centrum (Medical Center) Rhijnauwen in Bunnik (2), who has a connection to the ELN. In this way all costs were covered by my basic health insurance in the Netherlands, except for one test, the Melisa test. For anyone who wants to get some things tested, I can recommend these two laboratories and for anyone who lives in or near the Netherlands I can recommend to do it via the Medisch Centrum Rhijnauwen (MCR) (2) to get a chance of getting the costs covered by insurance, but I recommend to always check the current state of possibilities to get it covered (I did it end of last year, so things could have changed this year) and to contact the MCR (2) about it, which I also did beforehand.

After the results were in, I've made appointments to two different orthomolecular doctors, Kim van Wetten at the MCR (2) and Robert Trossèl at the PMC Rotterdam (3), which I can both recommend and in my opinion it can never hurt to check with two different doctors.

(1) http://europeanlaboratory.com
(2) http://www.medischcentrumbunnik.nl
(3) http://www.preventiefmedischcentrum.nl
Thanks a lot for these precisions. Very good thing to have this paid by insurance ! Unfortunately I'm not in your country but other people will be able to take this path. The results of your tests will be helpful for all of us. With time we'll have more and more tests/treatments done and we'll be able to see what is relevant for pois.

To remove your mercury, not all dentists have the right equipment to do this. (Maybe you know this already..)  Take someone who is qualified and who have the required material (expensive). Otherwise you can do more harm than good. 
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« Reply #3188 on: 29/01/2009 04:31:26 »
Thanks for this report Michael. Your experience and treatment is very complex (at least for me!).
How do you explain that a case of pois had higher testosterone while in POIS (maybe my case too) ?

When you say your estrogens were elevated do you know why ? (was it only the testosterone treatment or an other reason too)

Also I tried GABA pills and I felt very edgy and agitated with bad sleep as well. Did you experience such a thing? Maybe my GABA was too high.
 

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« Reply #3189 on: 29/01/2009 14:39:55 »
You are very welcome Martin88,

Can you provide the levels and ranges for the testosterone test for on and off POIS symptoms
and any other hormones that were tested during this period?

I really could not explain if someone did have higher testosterone levels during POIS than when not
experiencing symptoms of POIS without a full hormone profile.It would not make logical sense if the person was experiencing symptoms of POIS and had higher testosterone levels than when not in POIS since most of us do experience lower energy, drive, libido etc when in POIS unless this case is unique.

It is a puzzle to me what caused my estrones and estriol to be elevated yet my Estradiol in relative to my E1 & E3 Estrogens were low.My estrogen metabolic pathways must have been backed up and the Estrone was unable to convert to Estradiol.

Testosterone replacement does not convert to
Estrone & Estriol but a certain amount does convert to Estradiol (E2) depending on the individual.

I do not recall a similar effect with Gaba but you could be right with present elevated Gaba levels.

Best to get everything tested to make sure.

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« Reply #3190 on: 29/01/2009 15:01:02 »
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To remove your mercury, not all dentists have the right equipment to do this. (Maybe you know this already..)  Take someone who is qualified and who have the required material (expensive). Otherwise you can do more harm than good. 

Thank you for reminding me for this, I have also received your PM about it.
I have thought about making an appointment with a dentist that is specialized in removing mercury amalgam fillings, but in the end I have chosen to make the appointment with my own dentist, for the beginning of march. But I have asked him to take extra precautions to limit the risks involved regarding the mercury. I have asked him to make use of the Scania Dental Clean Up (1), which is some kind of vacuum cleaning device that should be placed around the tooth, and a rubber dam (cofferdam). I have also asked him to clean any residues of amalgam, that are left over after the fillings have been removed. I hope that this is enough, what do you think, do you have any other suggestions?

(1) http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/AMALGAM/NL/cleanup.htm

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« Reply #3191 on: 29/01/2009 15:04:50 »
I dont know if this has been mentioned before but it is to do with chemical imbalance :

Undermethylation and OverMethylation

My Histamine levels came back constantly near the bottom range which could indicate OverMethylation and
High Histamine levels could indicate Undermethylation.

I knew I was in the side of OverMethylation due to the symptoms I had at the time like :

High anxiety, nervousness
Social isolation
Academic underachievement
Dry eyes
Depression and despair
Food and chemical sensitivities
Low libido
Heavy body hair
Restless legs
Learning disabilities
Upper body or head pain
Panic attacks
Paranoia
Increased dopamine

Most of these symptoms were increased after an orgasm.

It is very rare to be Overmethylation as most people are Undermethylation.

Here are the symptoms for Undermethylation:

Allergies
Headaches
Competitiveness
Excess saliva
Obsessive-compulsive
Perfectionism
Easy tears
High libido
Addictive tendencies

More details here :

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm

&

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/114485-undermethylation-overmethylation.html

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« Reply #3192 on: 29/01/2009 15:12:53 »
I have also supplemented with GABA recently, but it wasn't very effective. But I haven't taken it with orange juice. Maybe there has to be enough vitamin C available for it to be effective?

I have taken magnesiumtaurate recently though, which was more effective at reducing the tension. Laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of taurine in my urine and a low value in my blood.

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« Reply #3193 on: 29/01/2009 15:22:04 »
I dont know if this has been mentioned before but it is to do with chemical imbalance :

Undermethylation and OverMethylation

My Histamine levels came back constantly near the bottom range which could indicate OverMethylation and
High Histamine levels could indicate Undermethylation.

I knew I was in the side of OverMethylation due to the symptoms I had at the time like :

High anxiety, nervousness
Social isolation
Academic underachievement
Dry eyes
Depression and despair
Food and chemical sensitivities
Low libido
Heavy body hair
Restless legs
Learning disabilities
Upper body or head pain
Panic attacks
Paranoia
Increased dopamine

Most of these symptoms were increased after an orgasm.

It is very rare to be Overmethylation as most people are Undermethylation.

Here are the symptoms for Undermethylation:

Allergies
Headaches
Competitiveness
Excess saliva
Obsessive-compulsive
Perfectionism
Easy tears
High libido
Addictive tendencies

More details here :

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm

&

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/114485-undermethylation-overmethylation.html

I have also recently mentioned poor methylation a few posts back, I've also been thinking about it, and according to my laboratory test results a orthomolecular doctor diagnosed poor methylation among other things.

I have bookmarked some other interesting stuff somewhere of the Pfeiffer Treatment Center about methylation and other interesting stuff, let me see if I can find it...

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« Reply #3194 on: 29/01/2009 15:42:56 »
Hm, they have changed the website and I can't find it anymore at the moment.

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« Reply #3195 on: 29/01/2009 16:01:45 »
Hi Deloun,


Not a worry, Iam sure it will pop back up sometime.

Good thing your doc tested you and confirmed undermethylation.
I wonder what your doc's treatment is for your undermethylation?



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« Reply #3196 on: 29/01/2009 16:10:58 »
I have uploaded the laboratory test results regarding mercury to picasaweb. Any comments and questions are welcome, also if you've had similar tests / results I would be interested to know.

You have to enlarge them for a better view, by clicking the magnifying glass in the upper right corner, I also recommend to disable the sidebar to the right to get a better view, by clicking the arrow in the upper left corner of the sidebar.

You can find the test results here.

Edit: I removed the suggestion to make specific comments at the results at picasaweb, because it didn't seem very useful after all. But instead all comments can better just be posted here on the forum regarding the results.
« Last Edit: 29/01/2009 17:47:19 by deloun »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3197 on: 29/01/2009 16:14:54 »
Hi Deloun,


Not a worry, Iam sure it will pop back up sometime.

Good thing your doc tested you and confirmed undermethylation.
I wonder what your doc's treatment is for your undermethylation?

Hi michael,

Well, she has prescribed a lot of supplements, but not a specific methylation donor as far as I know, though probably other things are among the prescribed supplements that can support better methylation. I haven't taken the prescribed supplements yet though.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3198 on: 29/01/2009 16:22:07 »
I have tried SAMe (s-adenosyl-methionine) recently though, which is considered a methylation donor, but it wasn't very effective. According to my experience I began searching through scientific research online and found results that showed that SAMe itself isn't very effective in raising SAMe levels in the brain and central nervous system. Besides that the results showed that methionine, which is a direct precursor to SAMe, was much more effective in increasing the SAMe levels in those areas. Methionine is also considered an effective methylation donor in general. So I'm considering to try to supplement methionine.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3199 on: 29/01/2009 16:29:27 »
My laboratory test results also show a deficiency of methionine by the way.