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I am somewhat affected (with POIS) this time, as opposed to my previous NE episodes.
Quote from: mister_z on 27/01/2009 10:49:23Quote from: CCconfucius on 26/01/2009 02:32:183rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)at the risk of sounding ignorant what are Hcg, Hmg, and Toco 8?mister_z, not ignorant at all! This is another reason it would be nice for CCconfucius' "anonymous sufferer" to come forward.I certainly would like to ask him, too! All I could find on hcg is, "Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is a glycoprotein hormone produced in pregnancy that is made by the embryo soon after conception..."
Quote from: CCconfucius on 26/01/2009 02:32:183rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)at the risk of sounding ignorant what are Hcg, Hmg, and Toco 8?
3rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)
Girlwind, you said that you haven't tested for prolactin, but maybe it could help you? This new article states, similarly to the one below, "We found that CFS subjects show a higher prolactin response than controls..."http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/iop/prt/cfs.htmmy original post to you (first article):PROLACTIN AND CFSGirlwind and other CFS-affected individuals here: this seemed like an intriguing link. It requires only simple registration, but here is the Google description:"Baseline prolactin levels were the same in all three groups, but rose much faster and higher in the patients with CFS than in the other two groups after ..." http://general-medicine.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/1992/512/6
The point of me posting the response is to show that we all need to get our hormones checked and to proceed with our unique results. I was just giving clue about some of the things we should ask doctor. I was not using to suggest any treatment i was hoping your doctors will be the one making the best decision on that. Like B-jim said younger people might have to take a different route in using dhea and i agree i have seen the result of trying to take dhea without guidiance. That post was a reference not the sure way.
Several months ago I requested many laboratory blood and urine tests and went to an orthomolecular doctor and one of the things she diagnosed is that I have a poor methylation. Choline plays a vital role in methylation.
Girlwind I wish you success with this new treatment. B_Jim is right in what he's saying about hormones in general so just be careful. As with any thyroid treatment check the heart function, I don't know exactly what you can do, maybe a periodic ecg. But I suppose they're taking care of this.
Quote from: martin88 on 28/01/2009 00:31:18Girlwind I wish you success with this new treatment. B_Jim is right in what he's saying about hormones in general so just be careful. As with any thyroid treatment check the heart function, I don't know exactly what you can do, maybe a periodic ecg. But I suppose they're taking care of this.Martin--I have learned that those with low normal thyroid levels (like me) are MORE at risk for heart attack.This is one of the important reasons to treat it. (Below, I have quotes from the website of the doctors I'm working with.)"Low normal thyroid levels result in a higher risk of heart disease than if you have high cholesterol, high blood pressure, if you smoke or even have diabetes. Individuals with low normal thyroid levels are 2.5 times more likely to suffer a heart attack. This is greater than if you have high cholesterol (2.4 times risk), high blood pressure (1.6 times risk), if you smoke (2 times risk) or have diabetes (2.4 times risk). Doctors and patients are well aware of these risk factors for heart disease but fail to cor-rect the more important low normal thyroid levels. Many patients needlessly suffer heart attacks because their physician tells them their thyroid is fine because it is in the normal range instead of optimizing to more optimal levels." "Low thyroid is associated with an increased risk of coronary artery disease, heart attack, heart enlargement, stroke, infections, and cancer."Coronary-Artery Disease in Hypothyroidism.FROM: The Lancet.
QuoteSeveral months ago I requested many laboratory blood and urine tests and went to an orthomolecular doctor and one of the things she diagnosed is that I have a poor methylation. Choline plays a vital role in methylation. Deloun, how did she determine that your methylation is poor?
Hi Deloun,Your results are remarkably helpful, thank you for reporting. Were these tests asked by a naturopathic doctor ?
Girlwind, could you tell me what exactly isn't working correctly regarding your thyroid? A result of a laboratory test of my urine showed a normal level of T4 but a deficiency of T3 on it's own and besides that T3 is too low in relation to T4. So a deficiency of T3 and a T3/T4 ratio that is out of balance.
Girlwind, thanks a lot for your help. I would be interested if the time released T3 thyroid formulation and other supplements will be of help to you. Interesting links you gave, thanks for that. After opening the link you gave, http://www.thyroid-info.com, I read under "Key links": "Selenium: An Essential Thyroid Nutrient". The results of the laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of selenium, do you happen to have a deficiency for this as well?
Quote from: deloun on 28/01/2009 16:10:57Girlwind, thanks a lot for your help. I would be interested if the time released T3 thyroid formulation and other supplements will be of help to you. Interesting links you gave, thanks for that. After opening the link you gave, http://www.thyroid-info.com, I read under "Key links": "Selenium: An Essential Thyroid Nutrient". The results of the laboratory tests also showed a deficiency of selenium, do you happen to have a deficiency for this as well?Good question... According to my last hair mineral analysis I wasn't deficient in selenium. The mineral supplement I currently take does contain some, so that probably explains why.
Since many years ago I've been suspecting that the mercury in amalgam fillings could be the cause to my complaints. \I've requested a DMPS test, a saliva test for mercury and a Melisa test. The DMPS and saliva tests showed way too much mercury and the melisa test showed an allergic reaction to several mercury metals.
Quote from: deloun on 28/01/2009 17:50:11Since many years ago I've been suspecting that the mercury in amalgam fillings could be the cause to my complaints. \I've requested a DMPS test, a saliva test for mercury and a Melisa test. The DMPS and saliva tests showed way too much mercury and the melisa test showed an allergic reaction to several mercury metals.Deloun--Where did you get the saliva test for mercury? I want this!I have had heavy metals show up in me and did a lot of different chelators. The PCA Rx was one of the better ones.Check it out. http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_CMS_Templates_STD_HTML.asp?PageINDX=23
Quote from: mister_z on 27/01/2009 16:24:42would toco-8 be tocopherol aka vitamin E ? Yes your right.mister_z, your guess is as good as mine! Unless "anonymous sufferer" comes forward we won't know. But don't worry, mister_z, this is the first time in 2 years since the forum started that this type of anonymous posting has occurred.
would toco-8 be tocopherol aka vitamin E ? Yes your right.
Girlwind-- (deloun too)Remember I asked you about this? It has always been in the "way back" of my mind. When I was a kid back in medieval times, every time I went to the hellish denist I must have had 3-4 fillings. I think at one point I had over 22 fillings in my mouth, probably by age 11. Around 12 years old, I had excruciating headaches. 14 years old growth in nipples. Absolutley horrendous sinus allergies. If you get a mercury test, then I will have to get one also. [I'm not inclined "yet" to do any hormone testing, because I think I have a different causality to my POIS.] Bummer, another thing to consider.
Hi all,I report back now after several months of no symptoms of POIS that I have fully cured my POIS by reimbalancing my hormone and neurotransmitter levels.No more depression, mood swings, headaches/mirgraines/foggy brain/muscle and joints pain, exhaustion, inflammation of the eyes, stomach bloating, indigestion, diaheera, stomach pain & cold,flu like symptoms after an orgasm.
some of you mention an impressive variety of hormonal tests; myself i had to argue endless to have my doctor finally give up and have me get a free testosterone test.. how does one actually gets his/her M.D to agree to specific tests?but id like to get some other tests done, like prolactin for instance; even electrolytes i cant get my doc to agree to ! if only i had the possibility to write my own prescriptions i bet all my health problems would be sorted by now (i do my research very carefuly and even out of plain scientific curiosity)... instead i have to beg (almost) to get anything decent out of my doc.. (and all docs are the same where i live)
Michael8028----Thanks again. I have a follow up question regarding gaba. You indicate you took it sublingually. Could you tell me if you still take it? If so, what is your dosage?What time of day do you take it? Do you take it daily? Do you take it alone, or with any other drugs/supplements? What is the brand? How long have you been taking it?Regarding 5htp, how did you come to choose orange juice as the preferred method for ingesting 5htp? How does orange juice broken down in the stomach and intestines assist 5htp in reaching appropriate receptors in the brain? Do you still take it? What is your dose? What is your brand? Do you take it alone? How long have you been taking it?I very much appreciate your contributions & looking forward to your answers-------
Quote from: martin88 on 28/01/2009 14:27:46Hi Deloun,Your results are remarkably helpful, thank you for reporting. Were these tests asked by a naturopathic doctor ?Hi martin88, you're welcome, it would be nice if it could be of any help to anyone here. A little while ago I've done some research for a while to look for any substances that could be related to my POIS symptoms and that I could get tested with laboratory research. As a result I requested application forms for tests, at the European Laboratory of Nutrients (ELN) (1), a well regarded laboratory situated in the Netherlands, which has a connection to another well regarded laboratory in the USA, Vitamin Diagnostics. I filled in requests for many things that in my view and according to the research that I have done, could be related in any way to my POIS symptoms. After that I went to my local doctor and asked for a referral to a medical center in the Netherlands, Medisch Centrum (Medical Center) Rhijnauwen in Bunnik (2), who has a connection to the ELN. In this way all costs were covered by my basic health insurance in the Netherlands, except for one test, the Melisa test. For anyone who wants to get some things tested, I can recommend these two laboratories and for anyone who lives in or near the Netherlands I can recommend to do it via the Medisch Centrum Rhijnauwen (MCR) (2) to get a chance of getting the costs covered by insurance, but I recommend to always check the current state of possibilities to get it covered (I did it end of last year, so things could have changed this year) and to contact the MCR (2) about it, which I also did beforehand.After the results were in, I've made appointments to two different orthomolecular doctors, Kim van Wetten at the MCR (2) and Robert Trossèl at the PMC Rotterdam (3), which I can both recommend and in my opinion it can never hurt to check with two different doctors.(1) http://europeanlaboratory.com(2) http://www.medischcentrumbunnik.nl(3) http://www.preventiefmedischcentrum.nl
[...]To remove your mercury, not all dentists have the right equipment to do this. (Maybe you know this already..) Take someone who is qualified and who have the required material (expensive). Otherwise you can do more harm than good.
I dont know if this has been mentioned before but it is to do with chemical imbalance :Undermethylation and OverMethylationMy Histamine levels came back constantly near the bottom range which could indicate OverMethylation andHigh Histamine levels could indicate Undermethylation.I knew I was in the side of OverMethylation due to the symptoms I had at the time like :High anxiety, nervousnessSocial isolationAcademic underachievementDry eyesDepression and despairFood and chemical sensitivitiesLow libidoHeavy body hairRestless legsLearning disabilitiesUpper body or head painPanic attacksParanoiaIncreased dopamineMost of these symptoms were increased after an orgasm.It is very rare to be Overmethylation as most people are Undermethylation.Here are the symptoms for Undermethylation:AllergiesHeadachesCompetitivenessExcess salivaObsessive-compulsivePerfectionismEasy tearsHigh libidoAddictive tendenciesMore details here :http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm&http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/114485-undermethylation-overmethylation.html
Hi Deloun,Not a worry, Iam sure it will pop back up sometime.Good thing your doc tested you and confirmed undermethylation.I wonder what your doc's treatment is for your undermethylation?