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Hi DemografxI have a few questions regarding your Levitra therapy. What dose are you using and when do you take it ? Also are you getting any side-effects ?Would you say it lessens depression ?Also you mentioned that you take caffiene and stimulants to help you through POIS.Caffiene has a very nasty neurosis type effect on me if I take it during POIS. I also avoid any stimulants as they have a similarly negative effect on my mind. I use an antidepressant to help me through the POIS period. It also lessens the duration of POIS for me.The antidepressant I use is nortriptyline.
Well you can drug and toxicate yourself with antidepressants, stimulants and erectile dysfunction pills for the rest of your life, definitely causing even more imbalances, or you can try to detox and come clean, try to stablise your nutrition.
MY 75% CUREAs simple as it sounds, bedrest (but active: TV, computer, telephone, breaks at the piano, etc., plus the meds/coffee routine I described in detail in earlier posts) seems to bring my POIS "cure" up to 75%.
2) Doing nothing helps... The stress occurs partly because my mind doesnt work and partly because its just there after orgasm.
FIGHT POIS BY DOING NOTHING!Yesterday (Day Zero POIS) I worked from bed. Right now, same thing. I know it's hard to do for most of us, but I wanted to post that, because if you CAN rest....conserving energy helps! I'm much better now than I would've been otherwise, following a busier routine. My psychiatrist said, "just don't expect much of yourself during POIS!"
CONSERVING ENERGY is necessary for POIS, which can induce lethargy and severe exhaustion. Unless your job is marathon running 24/7,
Hi DemografxIm glad you are doing good on the adderall and hope you do not encounter any complications.I would have serious reservations with the use of an amphetamine based drug because of the dangers of psychosis and depression.I would suspect that if you came off adderall 'cold turkey' then you will face very serious mental symptoms. If this is true then it means that you are on a medication that requires serious consideration. Maybe oneday you will need to come off the medication.I am more positive about cymbalta. I understand its a dual re-uptake inhibitor similar to venlafaxine but with a more balanced affect on the two neuro-transmitters. If this medicine is doing you good then you should stay with it. I may try this medicine myself at some point.There are a few antidepressants with a stimulant effect. I wonder if you have tried any of them ?
The problem I have...is that if I rest during the day. I can't get any deep sleep during the night. So the symptoms remain for more days.
My bottom line is that everyone is different. What works well for one person can be disastrous for another. But thank you very much for your considerate comments and suggestions.
Hallo Just a quick questionaire to my fellow sufferers. If you can answer to the below symptoms please do so, I would like to narrow down the symptoms to possible diseases that I have read up about:1) lipodystrophy (fatty deposits like acne on face, back of neck, on collarbone area, between legs2) an asthma like breathless feeling after an orgasm3) inflammation4) blocked nose5) itchy skin, especially hands6) turn very red colour on chest after orgasm7) proximal muscle weakness (hips, shoulders) no urge for orgasm for the next hour, unless taken a stimulantPlease reply "yes" or "now" to the above symptoms to narrow down the disease.Thanks
Hello! I am a 25 year old male who has diarrhea and gas 5-10 minutes after orgasm (induced by intercourse or masturbation). I also have a problem orgasming on "round two" if it's been less than an hour after my last orgasm (I would chalk this up to the basic male refractory period, however). I've been all over the net and have found this thread. I'd start to seek out a doctor for POIS right away, but I'm not sure if I have the same thing. All of you describe these symptoms lasting for a few days, while mine happens right after and usually goes away a few hours later. Does this sound like the same thing to you?
Hi DemografxYour life experience has been very much like mine. I too have struggled with depression eventually cycling through almost all the antidepressants. I too suffered early life childhood trauma which might have something to do with all this.I think your psychiatrist is right about the cymbalta. It is probably playing a key-role in your recovery. I know that the nortriptyline is playing a key-role in my somewhat recovery. When I wasnt taking the medicine I was mentally very ill.My experience with prozac in 1995 was the same as yours. It did something for me for about a week and then the side-effects got me. I couldnt continue the medicine.I think the adderall is probably giving you an antidepressant effect using a mechanism with which you have to be careful.Have you ever taken a low-dose tricylic antidepressant ?
Quote from: neilep on 20/12/2007 19:19:40Hi All,It's wonderful to see you all posting here and I hope this forum serves to assist you......even if it's just as a sounding board !Demografx has asked me to just point out something he has seen regarding Levitra.Unfortunately he can't post at the moment. It's a post he read elsewhere on the net and although the nature of the post can not be substantiated he felt it prudent to let you all know that it's possible that Levitra can cause strokes in people who do not need to take it. I think the moot point here is to always ask the chemist/pharmacist or get advice from a medical practitioner before starting a treatment.Hi, everybody. I'm a bit concerned about people here at the POIS Forum possibly taking medicine into their own hands.Such as DHEA. Or Levitra. And others.So I think it worthwhile to post Neil's caveat once again, because it is worth repeating.POIS can be a desperate condition. But let's not make it worse by going off the deep end and "borrowing" someone else's solution (including mine!) that may or may not be appropriate for your particular chemistry.Best wishes, everyone!
Hi All,It's wonderful to see you all posting here and I hope this forum serves to assist you......even if it's just as a sounding board !Demografx has asked me to just point out something he has seen regarding Levitra.Unfortunately he can't post at the moment. It's a post he read elsewhere on the net and although the nature of the post can not be substantiated he felt it prudent to let you all know that it's possible that Levitra can cause strokes in people who do not need to take it. I think the moot point here is to always ask the chemist/pharmacist or get advice from a medical practitioner before starting a treatment.
Thanks for sharing your sensitive info with me. Never took a low dose tricyclic (I assume that's stuff like Tofranil, which worked for my dad back in the stone age of psychiatric meds).You seem determined to warn/deter me from the Adderall. But I know you mean well. What can I say, it feels like my "savior". And once again, maybe with my depression and ADD (the latter is what it has been prescribed for) perhaps I need not worry about adverse effects? Also, the dose seems reasonable, I was only slightly euphoric (and fell asleep!) the first night I took it. I'll ask my new shrink this week.
I am not trying to deter you from adderall at all. I think it is doing you good for the time being, just as you have explained. I was just stating that its a medicine that requires consideration. My advice would be not to stop it but use the minimum dose required.Imipramine (tofranil) is not a stoneage medicine, though imipramine would not be my tricyclic of choice.I think doctors and patients have been tricked by the pharmaceutical industry into thinking that the newer SSRI and SNRI class of antidepressants are an advancement in depression drug therapy.I think cymbalta and venlafaxine might be slightly better than the SSRI's but not as good as low-dose tricyclic therapy.
There is so much useful information being discussed here. I suffer from the same symptoms and these symptoms have seriously marred my personal and professional life for the past 20 years. Thanks to this forum, I'm now beginning to do something about it.Would it be profitable for visitors to this topic to have a frequently asked questions (FAQ) document? I was thinking it would be helpful to crystallize all this useful information discussed on this board into an easy to use reference document. How do you guys feel about this? Would anyone be interested to help put this together?
Quote from: Living30 on 28/02/2008 19:46:57There is so much useful information being discussed here. I suffer from the same symptoms and these symptoms have seriously marred my personal and professional life for the past 20 years. Thanks to this forum, I'm now beginning to do something about it.Would it be profitable for visitors to this topic to have a frequently asked questions (FAQ) document? I was thinking it would be helpful to crystallize all this useful information discussed on this board into an easy to use reference document. How do you guys feel about this? Would anyone be interested to help put this together?EXCELLENT IDEA, Living30 !!
1. What is POIS?POIS is a post orgasmic state of overall ill feeling. POIS take days to recover from. The second day however is always the heaviest.The most charactistic symptom is the inability to think (brain fog). This may be described as fatigue, or feeling tired. Important to notice is that feeling tired and being tired are two different things. Some people during POIS feel tired and still have insomnia.Secondary symptoms may include a tension type headache, difficulty concentrating, sometimes to the point of getting out of body experiences. Some people report feeling extremely hot or cold. Most often with transpiration. Also problems around the eyes have been reported.
Hi all, I want to thank everyone for telling of their experiences. It was very reassuring to find information about this.I am a female. My boyfriend is a man I love dearly and he has some of these symptoms...it apparently is more like extreme sadness for him and other mental symptoms which lasts for days. He has been having a lot of the flu symptoms and we have assumed he keeps getting bugs but I am wondering if its related to the possible pois. Also I am wondering if there are several versions of this problem depending on an individuals brain chemistry. He said he has had this problem ever since he could remember but it has gotten worse over the years. we are in our 40's. There are some physical symptoms as well. We are investigating ways to manage the condition. If a male goes without orgasm for more than several weeks at a time on a regular basis isn't there a concern about prostate health. There is a technique that proctologists use called prostate massage or milking which is supposed to produce an event sort of like an orgasm but more of a calm draining of the prostate. We are still learning about it. Has anyone heard of this or had experience with it? I guess its something that can be done by oneself as well.Also are there some safer herbs or supplements that are known to affect this in a positive way? he is currently on wellbutrin and prozac. thanks in advance for any feedback.
Hallo it is me again, the guy with the DHEA formula. Fist of all, I am completely against strong pills that interfere with body processes and are completely for health supplements. Prescription pills like Prozac, Ritalin has helped me in the past, but it just messed up other systems in my body. I am not a doctor, so I cannot give you the details of the dosages that you should use, but I will let you in on ecactly what I did in order to recover from this bloody problem after orgasms.First of all, I was smoking cigarettes. I stopped last year August. That was done. Then I stopped drinking coffee at work, as our coffee at work is quite strong, and it messed up my sleep cycle. I basically did a detox of two weeks, to get rid of pathogens in the body like worms and stuff. You stop eating protein rich things for 2 weeks, and drink 1000mg MSM Methylsulfonylmethane each day. I drank a lot of water, and drank tea instead of coffee. It was a very bad 2 weeks, but not as bad as the decades of POIS!Then the DHEA treatment started. The docter prescribed 90 25mg pills of DHEA to me. 2 pills (50mg) each morning I wake up with 1000mg L-Tyrosine on an empty stomach. I also take one pill of DHEA directly after sex, and only if it is 6 hours after the first dosage of the day (It has something to do with the hormonal cycles). Meaning if you wake up in the morning, and you take your DHEA dose, if you have sex after that, don't take DHEA immediately again.It is South African branded I don't know if you get it in your country:http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=5161 [nofollow]http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=74 [nofollow]http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=119 [nofollow]After one month I switched to a safer DHEA supplement:http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=6 [nofollow]I also added two more health supplements in the morning to the tyrisone and herbal DHEA 7-Keto to further help me get rid of POIS:-Siberian Ginseng (not called like this in the USA anymore)-Phosphatidylserine (PS)http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=93 [nofollow]The whole trick of getting rid of POIS, is to decrease the constant release of Cortisol (Stress Hormone) and increase the release of DHEA (Sex Hormone). And then to take herbal supplements to maintain the correct balance. It takes time and patience, and although there are drugs out there like Ephedrine and Stimulants that immediately reduces cortisol, it is not the solution only part of a bigger problem being that you have a big hormonal imbalance problem.Good luck and I hope I can make a change in your lives.