Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #3550 on: 21/02/2009 02:05:23 »
Limejuice, could you let us know what brand of PS you use?

I use Nature's Way and although PS is expensive this brand is the best price.  I noticed Solgar makes PS and am extremely curious about trying that but a bottle is $30+ and lasts for 10 days.

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« Reply #3551 on: 21/02/2009 02:59:59 »

Are there PS side effects we should be aware of?

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« Reply #3552 on: 21/02/2009 03:04:35 »

What is PS? 


PS is abbreviation for the tongue-twister Phosphatedylserine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylserine


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« Reply #3553 on: 21/02/2009 03:11:10 »
On PS Safety from wikipedia

[The soy vs. brain-derivation was discussed earlier on the forum by Limejuice]

"Safety
Traditionally, PS supplements were derived from bovine cortex (BC-PS); however, due to the potential transfer of infectious diseases, soy-derived PS (S-PS) has been established as a safe alternative. Soy-derived PS is Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) and is a safe nutritional supplement for older persons if taken up to a dosage of 200 mg three times daily. [8] Phosphatidylserine has been shown to reduce specific immune response in mice. "


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« Reply #3554 on: 21/02/2009 11:46:25 »
Hi All,
I put a post here a couple of weeks ago talking about my experiences with the Buteyko breathing method. Dunno if anyone tried it out - in fact, as was pointed out at the time, it is kind of complicated.

Anyway, while I did recommend getting a book or DVD about it before trying any of the exercises, I was reading through the book I use, 'Close Your Mouth', the other day (I haven't actualy read through it fully in a while), and I came upon a page with some notes of caution, and I figured since I recommended it, it might be a good idea to share them. The method is actually primarily used to cure asthma, and the author says if you experience any exacerbation of any health symptoms, to cease the exercises. He also says:

Not to practise the method if you suffer from any of the following conditions: sickle cell anaemia; arterial aneurysm; very high uncontrolled blood pressure; any heart problems in the past three months; uncontrolled hyperthyroidism; a known brain tumour or kidney disease.

•Also, he says if you suffer from any of the following then you need the direct guidance of a qualified and experienced Buteyko practitioner: diabetes; severe asthma; emphysema; epilepsy; schizophrenia; unsatisfactory blood pressure levels or chest pains or pain in the heart region.

Basically, if you're unsure about your health in any way, it's better to contact a Buteyko practitioner directly for advise I think. Anyway, I just thought I'd add those notes of caution to my previous post for the sake of it.

Best of luck to all!

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« Reply #3555 on: 21/02/2009 21:00:50 »

Jiddu, thank you for your concern and for your notes of caution on the breathing techniques.
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« Reply #3556 on: 21/02/2009 21:06:28 »

Hmmm, that's not the first time we talk about phosphorus group molecules with Counterpoints, Martin (hypophosphatinemia) and others... (Phosphatidylserine, ATP... ) .  Anyway Phosphatidylserine supplements are expensive but interesting for cognitive functions.

Thanks Pyro.

B_Jim, I found just a few forum discussions about Phosphatidylserine here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Phosphatidylserine+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

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« Reply #3557 on: 22/02/2009 03:11:35 »
test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone 19.9
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals


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« Reply #3558 on: 22/02/2009 03:58:21 »
test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone 19.9
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals



CC, you have every right to request that the endocrinologist test these exact same chemicals/hormones in-POIS.
« Last Edit: 22/02/2009 04:43:28 by demografx »

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« Reply #3559 on: 22/02/2009 04:14:23 »
just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, anxiety, extreme dysphoria, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.

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« Reply #3560 on: 22/02/2009 04:15:41 »
just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.

Sometimes I don't get symptoms after ejaculation. (very rare these days).  And sometimes ejaculation actually alleviates my symptoms.  I think Guthrie noticed this too. 

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« Reply #3561 on: 22/02/2009 04:27:35 »
just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.

Sometimes I don't get symptoms after ejaculation. (very rare these days).  And sometimes ejaculation actually alleviates my symptoms.  I think Guthrie noticed this too. 

yes, it's very weird, I guess it is just how your body handles it or... each ejaculation is different!?

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« Reply #3562 on: 22/02/2009 04:41:01 »

yes, it's very weird, I guess it is just how your body handles it or... each ejaculation is different!?


As Counterpoints mentioned, he and Guthrie have had different reactions; people like me have the same reaction every time.

You'll eventually notice many variations on the POIS theme here at this forum, both in symptoms, reactions and treatments.

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« Reply #3563 on: 22/02/2009 05:22:43 »
yes, it's very weird, I guess it is just how your body handles it or... each ejaculation is different!?

Guthrie wrote a great post about it here: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg215420#msg215420

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« Reply #3564 on: 22/02/2009 06:52:08 »
yes, it's very weird, I guess it is just how your body handles it or... each ejaculation is different!?

Guthrie wrote a great post about it here: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg215420#msg215420

Thanks, Counterpoints, I went and re-viewed that and it's very good. I especially like the graphic understanding conveyed of POIS sufferers "crashing", (falling below the line), then taking days or weeks to climb back to baseline, i.e., recover from POIS.
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« Reply #3565 on: 22/02/2009 07:08:15 »
just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, anxiety, extreme dysphoria, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.

MY experience with pois is when i ejaculate several the symptoms seem to be worse and it also takes longer to recover even after 2 day hyperness.

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« Reply #3566 on: 22/02/2009 07:09:38 »
test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals



CC, you have every right to request that the endocrinologist test these exact same chemicals/hormones in-POIS.

Just wondering how does the free testorone compare to yours.  On paper doctor sent it shows that there is no reference range.

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« Reply #3567 on: 22/02/2009 07:20:46 »
just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, anxiety, extreme dysphoria, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.

MY experience with pois is when i ejaculate several the symptoms seem to be worse and it also takes longer to recover even after 2 day hyperness.

For these 4 ejaculations lets say I didn't do it all in one sitting, i did 2, and then about 2-3 days later I did another 2.. But the second round I felt a terrible, almost immediate pois response feeling in my head, I knew the ball was rolling again. I still feel as if your body builds up on a certain chemical but past a certain point if you orgasm and your body doesn't have much/enough of that chemical than you will experience pois until your head is back up to par.

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« Reply #3568 on: 22/02/2009 14:00:19 »
-It's difficult determine how much impact the thyriod medication has on the improvement as it's effect has been more gradual.  But I can tell the impact of the effect from the PS as it feels like it wears off and when I take another it feels like it kicks back in.

-I beleive the PS is made from soy (and from what I read PS is no longer made from brain because of scare from animal diseases like mad cow).
Thanks Limejuice, it seems obvious PS is responsible for your improvement. Perhaps there is a synergy between thyroid medication and PS, we never know. I searched for a link and found that thyroid help with phosphate absorption, but it's difficult to say if phosphate or serine is the active ingredient in your case.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/767955-overview
Thyroid hormone and growth hormone act to increase renal reabsorption of phosphate

By the way there was other interesting facts in this article :

Phosphate is the most abundant intracellular anion and is essential for membrane structure, energy storage, and transport in all cells. In particular, phosphate is necessary to produce ATP, which provides energy for nearly all cell functions....Phosphorus homeostasis is complex and regulated by the actions of several hormones. Parathyroid hormone causes phosphate to be released from bone and inhibits renal reabsorption of phosphorus, resulting in phosphaturia. Vitamin D aids in the intestinal reabsorption of phosphorus.

Administering carbohydrate lowers serum phosphate by stimulating the release of insulin, which moves phosphate and glucose into cells.

Catecholamines and beta-receptor agonists also stimulate phosphate uptake into cells
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-About PS,  some nutritionist suggest to take it with food to be more effective.
Soy vs brain :
In my local supplement store they have brain extracts from bovine.
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« Reply #3569 on: 22/02/2009 15:03:10 »
This is good information.  I initially took PS for it's cortisol reducing ability which I can feel working.  Also, I do feel more energy then ever before.  For example before taking either pill my body would almost shut down at a particular time at night - mental, physical, and emotional.  However now I feel as though I can push my body easily into the night to keep going and suspect it has to do with energy.  But it's unkown whether that is attributed to the PS or T4 prescription.

Also, I am skinny - like almost unhealthy thin.  I've weighed 130lbs since eighth grade and haven't gained an once in 15 years.  I eat like a pig too, which is weird.

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« Reply #3570 on: 22/02/2009 15:39:47 »
Day 2(NE yesterday morning):
I felt ok yesterday but felt the effects at night, feel ok so far today but I can notice the mental shift.

Recent noteworthy consumption: cooked garlic daily, choline & inositol supplement
Recent exercise: moderate

This time I realize a common reaction to orgasm which I'm not sure I have mentioned before, deepening of my voice. Presumably this would be due to a testosterone increase. Could this be a clue to what is going on? Could POIS be a reaction to an abnormal jolt of testosterone at orgasm, and then it's decline in the system?

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« Reply #3571 on: 22/02/2009 15:55:39 »
What is the latest news about fenugreek or relora? Anyone?

I still use fenugreek, and am very pleased that it's still alleviating approximately 50% of my POIS symptoms. Recovery time has been improved from 4-5 days to 2-3 days, and the symptoms are pleasantly reduced.

However, its not quite the wonderdrug that it was when I first took it. Unfortunately, I seem to quickly build up a tolerance to most kinds of drugs, and fenugreek is no exception.

Still, I should be happy that I've found a useful tool against POIS! Glad to see the thread is still going strong :)

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« Reply #3572 on: 22/02/2009 19:23:21 »
Day 2(NE yesterday morning):
I felt ok yesterday but felt the effects at night, feel ok so far today but I can notice the mental shift.

Recent noteworthy consumption: cooked garlic daily, choline & inositol supplement
Recent exercise: moderate

This time I realize a common reaction to orgasm which I'm not sure I have mentioned before, deepening of my voice. Presumably this would be due to a testosterone increase. Could this be a clue to what is going on? Could POIS be a reaction to an abnormal jolt of testosterone at orgasm, and then it's decline in the system?

This is hilarious... I believe deepening of my voice occurs too, its almost like I'm a completely different person!  I don't know if it actually "deepens" your voice, it might just be how bad pois feels that we don't feel like speaking normally.

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« Reply #3573 on: 22/02/2009 19:46:34 »

What is the latest news about fenugreek or relora? Anyone?


I still use fenugreek, and am very pleased that it's still alleviating approximately 50% of my POIS symptoms. Recovery time has been improved from 4-5 days to 2-3 days, and the symptoms are pleasantly reduced.

However, its not quite the wonderdrug that it was when I first took it. Unfortunately, I seem to quickly build up a tolerance to most kinds of drugs, and fenugreek is no exception.

Still, I should be happy that I've found a useful tool against POIS! Glad to see the thread is still going strong :)


Hurray, I'm glad to see that fenugreek still helps. Don't give up on the other 50%, it'll happen. As you mentioned, we're still going strong. I'd like to cure my other 25%.

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« Reply #3574 on: 22/02/2009 19:49:39 »

Day 2(NE yesterday morning):
I felt ok yesterday but felt the effects at night, feel ok so far today but I can notice the mental shift.

Recent noteworthy consumption: cooked garlic daily, choline & inositol supplement
Recent exercise: moderate

This time I realize a common reaction to orgasm which I'm not sure I have mentioned before, deepening of my voice. Presumably this would be due to a testosterone increase. Could this be a clue to what is going on? Could POIS be a reaction to an abnormal jolt of testosterone at orgasm, and then it's decline in the system?


John, I feel the effects more at night, too.

Did you use raw garlic before?

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« Reply #3575 on: 22/02/2009 21:22:03 »
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This is hilarious... I believe deepening of my voice occurs too, its almost like I'm a completely different person!  I don't know if it actually "deepens" your voice, it might just be how bad pois feels that we don't feel like speaking normally.
GC,
No, it is definitely a real deepening that occurs, very noticeable to myself. Also, I remember more than one in-POIS telephone conversations with the reaction from others that it didn't sound like me. But in general the difference is not very noticeable to others, as a person's voice can vary from anything, such as a cold.

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Did you use raw garlic before?
Demo,
Yes I did use raw garlic before. As you know I was once convinced that it was helping a lot and then began having some doubts when I experienced strong symptoms following an orgasm (non-NE). I am still very curious about it but unconvinced either way.

This time I am also noticing muscle twitching, I get them typically in the left eyelid.
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« Reply #3576 on: 22/02/2009 22:43:34 »
Same weight Limejuice and eat like 2 pigs  :)
I don't remember if i have test my blood phosphorus.
I have this tendency too, can't take weight and eat too much.
About blood tests I think they can't show all deficiencies. The concentration in blood can be ok with a deficiency in cells, or maybe organs, tissues, brain, bones ...

Thanks Confucius for posting your results. Other labs have a range for free testosterone and I think it changes from a lab to an other. I don't understand why you don't have this! Bad luck!

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« Reply #3577 on: 22/02/2009 22:45:30 »
Interesting study :
Garlic Supplementation Increases Testicular Testosterone and Decreases Plasma Corticosterone in Rats Fed a High Protein Diet
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150

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« Reply #3578 on: 22/02/2009 23:24:14 »
test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone 19.9
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals



Hi CCconfucius.  Can you give the units of measurement for each of these tests? (e.g. nmol/L).

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« Reply #3579 on: 22/02/2009 23:24:39 »
Interesting study :
Garlic Supplementation Increases Testicular Testosterone and Decreases Plasma Corticosterone in Rats Fed a High Protein Diet
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150

Interesting.  Thanks for posting these studies.

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« Reply #3580 on: 22/02/2009 23:29:06 »

This time I am also noticing muscle twitching, I get them typically in the left eyelid.


Very interesting, John. Is this a new development or just now noticing it?

And It seems that raw garlic may help NE's!

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« Reply #3581 on: 22/02/2009 23:32:18 »

This is hilarious... I believe deepening of my voice occurs too, its almost like I'm a completely different person!  I don't know if it actually "deepens" your voice, it might just be how bad pois feels that we don't feel like speaking normally.


I can't sing worth a damn. Dang POIS!!!     [:)]

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« Reply #3582 on: 22/02/2009 23:34:44 »

Interesting study :
Garlic Supplementation Increases Testicular Testosterone and Decreases Plasma Corticosterone in Rats Fed a High Protein Diet
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150


Very interesting, Martin. My testosterone success might be replicated with tons of garlic!!! (I'll take the T [:)])

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« Reply #3583 on: 22/02/2009 23:37:19 »
Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.
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« Reply #3584 on: 23/02/2009 01:14:26 »
Demo,
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Quote from: John21 on 22/02/2009 21:22:03

This time I am also noticing muscle twitching, I get them typically in the left eyelid.


Very interesting, John. Is this a new development or just now noticing it?

And It seems that raw garlic may help NE's!

Re:Raw Garlic: Yes it may be the explanation for what caused me to be nonsymptomatic, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions....time will tell.

The muscle twitching is something I have noticed in the past, and has typically been on my eyelid but I remember once having a muscle on my left hand freaking out once. Perhaps it is related to my double vision.

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« Reply #3585 on: 23/02/2009 01:43:01 »
Just a thought. I recall someone mentioning that phosphatidylserine (PS) greatly alleviated POIS symptoms. Has anyone else tried PS as a POIS cure?

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« Reply #3586 on: 23/02/2009 02:32:20 »
test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4 ug/dl
estrogen - 55 40 - 115  pg/ml
free testorone 19.9  pg/ml
dhea 878    208 - 771ng/dl
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13 ng/ml
testosterone   613     175-781 ng/dl

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« Reply #3587 on: 23/02/2009 04:04:03 »
Demo,
Re:Raw Garlic: Yes it may be the explanation for what caused me to be nonsymptomatic, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions....time will tell.

The muscle twitching is something I have noticed in the past, and has typically been on my eyelid but I remember once having a muscle on my left hand freaking out once. Perhaps it is related to my double vision.

This is interesting, a lot of pois symptoms, including double vision :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myelin
Symptoms of Demyelination
Typical symptoms include:
blurriness in the central visual field that affects only one eye; may be accompanied by pain upon eye movement;
double vision;
odd sensation in legs, arms, chest, or face, such as tingling or numbness (neuropathy);
weakness of arms or legs;
cognitive disruption including speech impairment and memory loss;
heat sensitivity (symptoms worsen, reappear upon exposure to heat such as a hot shower);
loss of dexterity;
difficulty coordinating movement or balance disorder;
difficulty controlling bowel movements or urination;
fatigue.

inflammation causing demyelination by overproduction of cytokines

Heavy metal poisoning may also lead to demyelination. Even very small amounts of mercury have been shown to be particularly destructive to nerve sheaths


I suggest you google with these keywords:
-phosphatidylserine and myelin sheath.
-ocd and myelin.
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« Reply #3588 on: 23/02/2009 04:11:36 »


Martin, interesting findings.

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« Reply #3589 on: 23/02/2009 04:14:41 »
CC, did you have a reference number for free testosterone? I'm not sure I had one either.

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« Reply #3590 on: 23/02/2009 05:07:40 »

Just a thought. I recall someone mentioning that phosphatidylserine (PS) greatly alleviated POIS symptoms. Has anyone else tried PS as a POIS cure?


Ambient, here are some forum posts about PS:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PS+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

In the link(s) that you find interesting, the msg number changes sometimes, so look at posts before and after, or use Ctrl+F on post page(s)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3591 on: 23/02/2009 10:28:54 »
Martin,
Double vision seems to be a symptom of various conditions.

Aren't the symptoms for hypogonadism similar to ours?

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Symptoms
In Men
Effects of low testosterone in men may include: (not all are present in any single individual)

Word Finding difficulty
Dry Skin
Cracking nails
Fatigue
Muscle loss/atrophy
Frequent urination without infection
Getting up at night to urinate
Dementia-like memory loss
Poor sleep secondary to achy muscles
Poor libido
Erectile Dysfunction
Increasing weight
Glucose intolerance (early diabetes)
Cholesterol/Lipid abnormalities
Slight increase size of breasts
Depression
Anxiety
Hot flashes
Decrease in beard and body hair growth
Loss of bone mass (osteoporosis )
Difficulty concentrating
Irritability
Psychological and relationship problems
Anaemia
Infertility
Decrease in firmness of testicles
Impaired growth of the penis and testicles

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3592 on: 23/02/2009 14:57:06 »
Martin,
Double vision seems to be a symptom of various conditions.

Aren't the symptoms for hypogonadism similar to ours?
John, I agree with you, I definitely believe testosterone can be involved. Be sure that all I'm saying is only hypothesis to add to the debate. I don't have the anwer for pois, only suppositions. I think we're all nervous so maybe the answer is in the nervous system (where testosterone has also an action: anxiety,depression,...)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3593 on: 23/02/2009 15:05:00 »
Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.
Me too, I hope it lasts. Do you think that when you tried to increase Levitra the positive effect was lost even when going back to lower doses ?

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« Reply #3594 on: 23/02/2009 18:04:54 »
Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.
Me too, I hope it lasts. Do you think that when you tried to increase Levitra the positive effect was lost even when going back to lower doses ?

I took 30mg because of 4 O's in 4 days. It worked!

The mistake I made before was assuming the Levitra was 100% of the cure. It was not. The combo of T + L is critical to success.

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« Reply #3595 on: 23/02/2009 18:26:09 »

I think we're all nervous so maybe the answer is in the nervous system (where testosterone has also an action: anxiety,depression,...)


I noticed a mood lift right away with the patches.

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« Reply #3596 on: 23/02/2009 19:34:13 »
I did not get reference for free testerone i wonder why.  I need to go find out what free testoterone means.

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« Reply #3597 on: 23/02/2009 20:46:07 »
CC, let me know what you find !

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« Reply #3598 on: 24/02/2009 04:53:54 »

testosterone and depression (nothing new) :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7274481.stm


Wow, B_Jim, 300% more depression in the low testosterone crowd!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3599 on: 24/02/2009 05:07:35 »
I often wondered whether Demografx and I were approaching the same solution from different directions. The articles below hint strongly that Viagra can have the effect of increasing oxytocin production during orgasm:

http://www.reuniting.info/science/viagra_and_oxytocin
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=29102

Now I know Viagra and Levitra aren't identical, but their effects are sufficiently alike that you have to wonder whether Levitra might not also aid in increasing oxytocin production?


I initially started taking Fenugreek to try to boost my oxytocin levels - could we both be achieving the same effect using different methods?
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