Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #350 on: 11/03/2008 20:57:43 »
The stress in the bowell does the whole body get too much tired and stressed.

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« Reply #351 on: 11/03/2008 22:02:45 »
this is great "solution" we are getting closer...  my doctor just phoned me the other day and he thinks it is because I psychologically don't have "stress-less" sex. He is kind of right because I stress that I will get POIS again! But yes my ass gets itchy as well as some digestive problems. I started taking probiotics as well, lets see if that will help.

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« Reply #352 on: 12/03/2008 08:53:06 »
hi
to "solution" , from the beginning of my problem at age 30 to the age of about 50 i have no problems with digestive tracts, whether before or after orgasm.
and from 50 years old to nowadays (54) i have  constipation in general, i have noticed that after orgasm the constipation are released sometimes.
before an hour i have taken two table spoon of castor oil, i am waiting its effect. i want to test your theory, but washing the intestine with water, this is something hard, i prefer to wait the 4 days util my symptoms disappear.
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« Reply #353 on: 12/03/2008 18:53:17 »
hk1979 good idea, let us know!


sokovan it is normal that sometimes  that after orgasm the constipation are released sometimes. Normally when the bowell is full an orgasm triggers go to bath.


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« Reply #354 on: 12/03/2008 19:29:14 »
demografx

You are right, Levitra is marketed mainnly for ED, but also the others, check http://www.levitra.com/

Why I am getting at is that maybe the others are related to ED.

Just a quick summary of things that we discussed might cause POIS:

- Low Testosterone
- Low DHEA
- High Cortisol
- Cholestrol, Blood Pressure, Diabetes
- Unhealthy Intestine

And a summary of cures that I can remember reading throug the thread:

- Stimulants like coffee, ephedrine
- Hormone Replacement Therapy like DHEA, Testosterone
- Erectile Dysfunction pills like Levitra
- Cortisol blockers like Lerora
- Blood Sugar Stabillizers like CLA (Conjugated Linolic Acid)
- Probiotics and Prebiotics for Intestine Health

If there is anything left out please add to the list. I think we are all a little bit different with treatment reacting to POIS, but I am sure if all of the above is shown to your doctor he might give you a daily prescription to fit your specific situation.




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« Reply #355 on: 12/03/2008 21:01:58 »
Hi everyone.  After a lot of futile searches I finally found your forum with the magic combo of search words. 
I really had felt alone with this POIS thing, as many of you I see. 

I've read some but not all of your posts and am pursuing some suggestions.

Here's my situation:

I'm 54 and have had this POIS thing since around 20 or so.  I masturbated almost daily in my teens but don't remember having any real problem with it though I didn't feel really good about the way I felt after doing it.

My general symptoms haven't changed much over the years, but it has got worse with age. As I've aged I've found myself more prone to anxiety and even had a run in with severe depression 6 years ago which took a few years to rise out of.  I associate this with age and lower testosterone. My general drive and motivation has dropped a fair bit in the last 10-15 years.
My more serious POIS symptoms don't really kick in until about 12-24 hours after ejaculation.  It seems there's some kind of energy rush created in my body that sustains me a while until the big letdown.  The hormones are flowing in the veins so to speak, so I feel ok for a bit, though I know things are shifted and can feel a little off.

-the worst thing is a feeling just above my belly button in what I believe to be the solar plexus chakra area (for those who understand that stuff).  It's kind of like an open emotional vulnerability and my nerves in general are jangled a bit.  I have a very weakened ability to deal with noise and people, though I can still function if I have to.  Everything just seems to bother me, especially having to be very active or deal with any kind of stress.

-definitely weakened immune system
-lower energy
-a tendency to be despondent and feel life's kind of meaningless.  This comes in the second day after and doesn't usually last more than the one day or two at most.
-difficulty concentrating

It can really vary in intensity and duration.  I am convinced there is some psychological aspect as I have breezed through it some times.

I did once experience 3 months where I felt great after orgasms but this was because I had an experience of spiritual detachment for that whole time.  (this would take a long time to explain how it happened and why it ended, but I'll save that for another time.  Suffice to say I experienced myself as separate and beyond the effects of the world, which allowed me to have a much higher level of energy and well being...I was very sad to see it go but had no choice)

As has been mentioned,  part of what can make it much easier to get through is to have no responsibilities for the two days after...not something I can managed all the time.  I do try to time my orgasms at the beginning of my days off.

One other thing I'm really excited about, though I am not convinced it can be a long term solution, is this new way of masturbating that I think I discovered on this forum. The guy calls it Energy Work.
Wow, just was going to post the link and the guy has taken down the site for good!

I'll go into what I learned from this fellow if you guys would like. Have any others tried this?  It's pretty simple and has really changed my approach to my sex drive and given me way better orgasms over my whole body without ejaculation.  It's also kind of diverted my sexual energy out of the lust area (genitals only) and spread it over my whole body, which feels healthier and more balanced.
The reason I'm skeptical for the long term is I've always experienced myself getting to that point of needing a sexual release after 2-3 weeks...so far it's only been about 12 days, so I'm not sure yet where this will go.

I've also just got an order of DHEA and have started an L-Tyrosine supplement. 
I did read a site with cautions about DHEA so I'm going to start pretty slow with it.

I should add that my wife seems to have lost her sex drive the last few years, so that part of my life is lukewarm at best.  I've always been sensitive to energy and have developed the ability to experience sexual energy in other ways besides ejaculation, but the body being built the way it is, it inevitably seems to work itself to that point, just like hunger for food.

Look forward to more discussion...
Paul

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #356 on: 12/03/2008 21:17:13 »
WELCOME TO ALL THE NEWCOMERS!

It is great to see this growing "family" of people here, most who thought no one else in the world suffers from POIS! This Forum has been a GREAT help in finding remedies. Who knows? In a short time we may have answers for everyone!
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« Reply #357 on: 12/03/2008 23:49:00 »
Hi all,

Fiddlerpaul just mentioned that he had to get lucky with the right combination of search terms in order to find this thread.  I wonder if there is a way to make it easier for people who do a google search to find us.  In other words, could we come up with a list of the different possible searches people might do ("post orgasmic fatigue," "tired after ejaculation," etc.), and attach it to this thread somehow, so that it would come up near the top of a google search?

Perhaps neilep or one of the other administrators could figure out a way to do this. 



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« Reply #358 on: 13/03/2008 12:49:44 »
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« Reply #359 on: 13/03/2008 13:40:08 »
   
Someone may try rye bread? I have tried and I have been greatly affected during a pois. It would be interesting if someone test to see whether the effects are the same.
The bread in question is it`s  known as Pumpernickel
It should be consumed during the week opened, and it is very sensitive to moisture
check this images

http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen/images/refimages/bread/types/bread_pumpernickel2_500.jpg

http://gerech.net/images/pumpernickel.jpg
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« Reply #360 on: 14/03/2008 09:37:50 »
i wonder if there is an after ejaculation illness in animalls , may be a veterinarian can tell us.
 also we can propose that every male has this phenomena, the "minor P.O.I.S" in normal people, and the "major P.O.I.S" as in our's
 i am sure there are thousands of people who have this illness in its major form. also there may be something in the literature of the ancient people, this is a long history, may be someone have mentioned it.
years ago i have tried chamomile flowers in boiling water, beleive me that the dark halos around my eyes which is the major annoying sysmptoms in my case have disappeared completely, but i can't reproduce that effect again.
also the tona fish have some small effect, you can try.
  this P.O.I.S has the same situation as in the U.F.O phenomena (Unidentified Flying Objects), most if not ALL doctors believes it is a hoax, but sadly the only people who believe in its reality are who suffer too much from it.



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« Reply #361 on: 14/03/2008 14:34:33 »

Well, in terms of animals, there is a famous phrase whose origin is disputed, but which may trace back to antiquity: “Post coitum omne animal triste est,” “Every animal is sad after sex.”  There is also another version, attributed to the ancient Greek physician Galen: “Triste est omne animal post coitum, praeter mulierem gallumque,” “Every animal is sad after sex, except for women and roosters.”

There are also a number of websites that mention past historical awareness of symptoms similar to POIS.  Their approach often come from Eastern religious traditions.   I don't necessarily agree with the their explanations for the causes of the symptoms, but I think they are useful in showing that it is not a new problem.

Here is one site that collects a number of articles on the idea that post-orgasm symptoms are prevalent among many people, but perhaps in more subtle forms: http://www.reuniting.info/introduction

Also, in terms of  recent Western figures,this website mentions Charlie Chaplin, Honore de Balzac, and Miles Davis as apparently suffering from some form of POIS-like symptoms:
http://www.hps-online.com/tsy1.htm

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« Reply #362 on: 14/03/2008 16:17:55 »

There are also a number of websites that mention past historical awareness of symptoms similar to POIS.  Their approach often come from Eastern religious traditions.   I don't necessarily agree with the their explanations for the causes of the symptoms, but I think they are useful in showing that it is not a new problem.

Here is one site that collects a number of articles on the idea that post-orgasm symptoms are prevalent among many people, but perhaps in more subtle forms: http://www.reuniting.info/introduction


Guthrie,

thanks for this link.   I had no idea that there was a whole body of understanding that connected my post coital feelings with general disharmony and poor mental/physical health.  It makes a lot of sense.
I remember so much how an early passion based relationship I had kept leading me into these states where I wanted to push her away and I didn't understand why I felt that way and experienced much guilt for it.  That was in the early days of my POIS symptoms.  Now many years later with my wife I see the same tendency to push each other away after orgasm.  Thankfully my marriage was initiated by a much deeper spiritual connection and not lustful passion so we have survived these many years without having too many of these problems.

I think there really is a sliding scale on how much orgasm affects us all.  From reading others' posts, I can see some have it much worse than me and I know I have it much worse than the average guy.

From reading on that website, they say the solution is to get off the biological roller coaster of highs and lows connected to the orgasm process.  I have struggled with that for years.  There's the 2-3 week build up of sexual energy and suddenly it rears its head and my body starts screaming for it again.  I see there's a book on this site about how to get beyond that...wonder if I should get it.  I feel pretty hopeless in avoiding orgasm and heck, I don't even have the sex drive I had ten years ago.  Heck I tried installing adult content filters on my computer that my wife had the password to and that really didn't keep me from feeling 'the need'.
Seems the key is to get off the dopamine addictive track and into something called the oxytocin track which is a different chemical process in the body. In physical terms its moving from a genital centred sexuality to a heart centred one.
How to do that?
I have a book credit at a store that says they have the book here, so I probably will get it.
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« Reply #363 on: 14/03/2008 19:57:19 »
Well, like I said, I'm not sure how scientific/substantiated their explanation is.  That website seems to think the negative feelings are a natural effect of orgasm, whereas it could also be linked to digestive issues or hormone imbalances, as has been suggested on this thread.  Basically, they didn't seem to see the negative symptoms as something abnormal to be cured, but instead saw them as a reason for people to avoid orgasm in general.  Hopefully, though, we can find some kind of treatment/cure!

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« Reply #364 on: 14/03/2008 23:48:52 »
I am doubtful that POIS is of intestinal oregin, but I applaud your speculation and experimentation. My POIS state does sometimes engage my elimination system, but it definitely seems like just another reaction to another root cause.

Relora sounds interesting, assuming it's claims are valid and not mere wonder supplement BS.

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« Reply #365 on: 15/03/2008 01:23:58 »
John,

News of a new stress reliever was too good to pass up.  I just went and bought some Relora and popped one....
I'm not too good a guinea pig for everyone though because I tend to overreact and get weird effects from many anti anxiety herbal supplements.  The two that I do still take work fairly well..holy basil by New Chapters, which is good but does make me a little drowsy so its not great during the day, and L-theanine by Natural Factors, which works all the time, but is pretty mild.
I've tried just about every other one, I think, but this Relora is new to me and it has two ingredients I'd never tried before, Magnolia officinalis and Phellodenron amurense.

This is timely, as well, as I had an orgasm yesterday and have been feeling somewhat off since.  Here's hoping...
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« Reply #366 on: 15/03/2008 01:27:34 »
I think I made a mini breakthrough. I was speaking to a pharmacist about Relora and its effects, and what he told me linked up with our discussions about POIS. Relora basically helps for mental and physical stress, normalising cortisol and hormone levels. He mentioned also it helps for a healthy HPA axis. Well I didn't know what that was, so I went to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal_axis

In summary i want to quote this part from the link above:

"The fine, homeostatic interactions between these three organs constitute the HPA axis, a major part of the neuroendocrine system that controls reactions to stress and regulates various body processes including digestion, the immune system, mood and sexuality, and energy usage"

Therefor I can only simply ask... is POIS not directly link to a damaged HPA axis? Your thoughts please.

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« Reply #367 on: 15/03/2008 01:35:21 »
@fiddlerpaul

I read that you should take Relora 3 times a day, and it being a patented herbal supplement, it should not work straight away like a chemical such as Levitra. I suggest continue taking it for about 2 weeks (loyally) and then monitor your POIS again.

I haven't bought Relora yet for myself, but I consider stopping the DHEA after 2 months usage, and just taking Relora and L-Tyrosine in future.

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« Reply #368 on: 15/03/2008 09:41:18 »
Infrequently while in the POIS state I have had a pain in my gut, like a pinching in the general area of the appendix. I was so concerned at the time I looked into paying to get an MRI, but I discovered that the test isn't good for diagnostic purposes. So I saw my doctor and she allowed me to be booked for a test, it might have been ultrasonic. When the time came for the test I hadn't had any similar episode in a long while, so I cancelled it. As well as the pain I also was concerned that my stools seem narrow (all the time). I have come to accept this as merely being my physiology. Every morinig when I go to the washroom I usually have to go twice, about 10-15 min apart, sometimes even 3 times. I eat a somewhat high fiber low saturated fat diet, perhaps this plays into it.

Solution, what effect did you find rye bread had on your POIS?
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« Reply #369 on: 15/03/2008 15:40:05 »
The rye bread makes me very well go to the bathroom. When the next day as well I feces large. And I realized that the symptoms disappear, there is a great relaxation.
After a time (5 months) I had to stop eating because occurred sinusitis.
Apparently a fungus that regularizes the intestine but has a very powerful effect that can be harmful to me.
It would be interesting to see what effect upon you, to discover the properties of rye in healing POIS

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« Reply #370 on: 15/03/2008 16:46:47 »
Thanks for the advice hk

I'm noticing the effects of the Relora right away. It hits me about a half hour after taking.
This morning second day after, I am feeling much better.  I am on my 3rd day of DHEA as well and 5th of L-tyrosine, so I have a lot of things in the mix.  I also decided to take theanine with the Relora and I think that is a good choice. 
I'm sensing that the Relora is relaxing (cortisol lowering) and that I am feeling the vitality coming from the DHEA more and more, though I'm not positive on this yet.

Much more time before I can say for sure, but I'm encouraged by the combination of these. 

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« Reply #371 on: 15/03/2008 23:14:47 »
@fiddlerpaul

It seems that you and I have the a similar POIS type. You will find that horrible feeling after an orgasm almost completely disappears when you take 50mg of DHEA after the orgasm and wait 30 min.

I am also a bit scared of taking these hormone supplements, but hopefully my body will repair soon and I hope never to take DHEA supplements again. I am only still 29 years old. What gives me hope that I can recover, is the fact that I stopped smoking, drinking coffee, taking designer drugs here and there, and only drink/eat sugars when I take in a lot of protein, as protein also need energy / carbohydrates to be taken up in the digestive system. I drink a lot of water, is cautious about drinking my weekend glass of wine/beer/whiskey. I used to overdo everything : sex, eating, partying, masturbating. And now I am just cautious and rebuilding my system.

I am glad if that I could help make some people feel better and have some hope that what is broken can always be fixed.

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« Reply #372 on: 16/03/2008 00:51:28 »
REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

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« Reply #373 on: 16/03/2008 00:58:03 »
DHEA DANGERS

I would suggest that before embarking on a DHEA regimen, you consult a physician and/or Google "DHEA dangers"

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« Reply #374 on: 16/03/2008 01:43:40 »

REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

Whoa, that's a heavy thought.
As I mentioned in my first post, I did enter a very different spiritual state for 3 months once where I experienced myself as a pure unentangled consciousness.  It allowed me for that time to be really free inside from most unhealthy fear that had previously been a normal part of my life. 
In THAT state when I had an orgasm, I actually felt great by doing it, no letdown or physical issues but really better than before.  It was amazing. Of course, my feeling during the sexual experience was more positively oriented as well.  I was more plugged into the joy of 'being'. That showed me that there is something in my spiritual/psychological makeup that contributes to the sex release being kind of like blowing up my solar plexus chakra area instead of being a great experience from beginning to end.  From this, I just have to believe that in some, if not all cases, it's an energetic kind of thing, kind of like trying to run a strong current through a weak wiring system.
I have continued in a number of ways to pursue higher knowing/being in my life but have never come back to that place where I could say POIS was no longer a problem.  I have nothing really to offer anyone to achieve that state either, having come upon it and fallen back again without any conscious knowing of how or why.  But that experience did inform my perspective greatly.
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« Reply #375 on: 16/03/2008 08:33:01 »
REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

I have thought about this too. I think its a possibility. I too was under the impression as a child that masturbation was bad. I wonder how one would go about testing the hypothesis that this could create POIS ?
I am pretty certain that there are people who suffer from POIS who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments though.
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« Reply #376 on: 16/03/2008 20:51:10 »
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Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?

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« Reply #377 on: 16/03/2008 21:02:52 »
I tried a 500mg Tyrosine last week after another NE, and I didn't have any POIS symptoms but I don't know if it was due to the Tyrosine for sure.  I definitely felt the effects of the Tyrosine, it made me feel rather rather mentally off (different than the horrible POIS)... perhaps I am unusually sensitive to it. I tried one 250mg Relora today, and it didn't seem to affect me at all. I will be curious it try 3 a day in the POIS state. If it helps me by increasing DHEA I would rather take it than a DHEA supplement.

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« Reply #378 on: 17/03/2008 00:38:25 »
I first tried DHEA and pregnenolone for POIS and depression about 5 years ago. I found that they both helped reduce symptoms but caused chest pains. So I stopped their use. I think both of these supplements are cardiotoxic.

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« Reply #379 on: 17/03/2008 03:03:56 »
From John21:
"Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?"

John, the Roman Catholic school system in the 1950s, paddling rear ends or (less often) hands with a large shilally (large bat) for just about any "mistake" - it is very well known how the RC teachings - especially back then - try to instill fear of the "evil" of sex, that "sex is dirty."

It was difficult for me to post about this, but I feel that it needs to be explored. So I was glad to see the responses.
Thank you.
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« Reply #380 on: 17/03/2008 09:29:48 »
I am younger than you are, I am not as familiar with abuses that have occured in the past... I am sorry to hear you had to live through this. The belief that fornication is wrong is definately an RC tenent.

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« Reply #381 on: 17/03/2008 18:18:43 »
REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

I think your idea/theory has merit . Certainly, it has been shown that emotions can indeed have an effect on the body too and if such guilt is of such a degree........ then it doesn't seem that untoward.............. and that it could well have a psychosomatic response on the body. It could well be that in your case this may be true. Whether the theory bodes well with others situations will be very interesting to find out.

Does this mean that you do in fact feel and overwhelming intensity of guilt  after release ?
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« Reply #382 on: 17/03/2008 21:15:21 »
I am younger than you are, I am not as familiar with abuses that have occured in the past... I am sorry to hear you had to live through this. The belief that fornication is wrong is definately an RC tenent.
John, thank you for the sentiments. And for the confirmation.

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« Reply #383 on: 17/03/2008 21:24:22 »
NEILEP POST

Neil, thank you very much for writing.

No, I don't think I feel that way today after sex (but who knows what lurks in the unconscious mind?) My theory is that PERHAPS (I'm not totally convinced) my early conditioning - and some other people's - created intense post-orgasmic guilt in my early years.

I frankly don't remember it clearly but it is well known, as John21 affirms that one of the Church tenets is that "fornication is wrong", that RC teachings try to instill frightful guilt about sex in youngsters and so it's reasonable to think that I was affected.

My quasi-theory (call it a super-hunch [;D])goes on to hypothesize that the early frightful guilt set in motion some psychosomatic symptoms that, as an adult, now express themselves as POIS.

But this may all be secondary to the fact that, however POIS was set in motion for me and other people, the prime emphasis now should be on the cure.

Neil, thanks again for your thoughtful post.

It would be great to hear about this from others on the POIS Forum!
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« Reply #384 on: 17/03/2008 21:38:21 »
I first tried DHEA and pregnenolone for POIS and depression about 5 years ago. I found that they both helped reduce symptoms but caused chest pains. So I stopped their use. I think both of these supplements are cardiotoxic.
Bizzy, thank you for adding to my "warning" about DHEA. As everyone knows, I'm also concerned about my own "cure" of Levitra...concerned that others should be very careful in trying to replicate someone else's success.

Everyone has different body/brain chemistry. And different interactions with other medicines/supplements.

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« Reply #385 on: 17/03/2008 22:25:56 »
FROM BIZZY March 16:
"I too was under the impression as a child that masturbation was bad. I wonder how one would go about testing the hypothesis that this could create POIS ?
I am pretty certain that there are people who suffer from POIS who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments though."

I haven't a clue either how to test the hypothesis. But I agree with you that there are POIS sufferers who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments. Heck, I'm not even sure my early adversity has anything to do with my POIS! Just an idea I'm throwing out there that's been sitting with me for a few decades [;D]

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« Reply #386 on: 18/03/2008 13:31:15 »

Neil, thanks again for your thoughtful post.

It would be great to hear about this from others on the POIS Forum!

You're welcome.....thank YOU for your supportive, productive, informative and insightful posts.........this thread has become a fantastic resource and nerve center for people to come and discuss this condition/illness.

I hope all who visit here benefit from just being able to share.

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« Reply #387 on: 18/03/2008 21:41:02 »
I don´t think in the guilt idea. My symtoms start inmediately PO and decrease after four days so so, always.

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« Reply #388 on: 18/03/2008 23:56:51 »
I feel the same as solution. Due to the severity of the contition that I have experienced I do not believe that it could possibly be due to conditioning. In my early childhood I did not have any warnings about the dangers of sex, I wish I had. I was raised in a Protestant home and sex was not discussed, it was basically taboo.

I became Catholic a few years ago and I accept and love it's teachings, as I believe they come from God. It saddens me to hear of people in the Church that don't live up to it's primary value of love. Love doesn't force people to do anything, which parallels God's gift of free will. I believe in teaching children what we believe to be the truth: that God thinks we shouldn't fornicate, and allowing them to make their own decisions.

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« Reply #389 on: 22/03/2008 19:40:47 »
I'm only guessing when I say that some, not all, people may have had early negative sexual conditioning (including taboos) that could have set POIS in motion. I could be dead wrong. But let's not rule it out.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure that the conditioning started my POIS. Even with the old teachings that were harsh and brutal. And "taboos" are implicitly negative.

In any case, I agree that with adults, it is now a mostly or complete physical reaction.

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« Reply #390 on: 24/03/2008 10:26:08 »
I took one Relora before bed last night. I had a poor sleep but I'm hoping it was from drinking a wee bit of alcohol yesterday. Alcohol always affects my sleep severely but the amount I had was so little I didn't think it was going to affect me (It was the Eucharist at morning Mass). I am somewhat hopeful of Relora because I had a sexually explicit dream yet did not have an NE, which is quite amazing for me. I'm going to wait for my sleep to regulate back to "normal" and try it again.

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« Reply #391 on: 24/03/2008 23:31:56 »
John,

I would maybe recommend taking the Relora a little while before bed and not right before.  I've been noticing generally that taking some stuff right before bed messes with my sleep more than helps it.  I found this with both Theanine and holy basil, both of which I like generally.  Like maybe an hour before.

I'm encouraged generally by Relora over many other herbal relaxing substances, and I've tried them all.  From a lot of my reading of how these things work, many of them rely on playing with either serotonin or dopamine levels and this is a slippery slope I believe to getting unbalanced mentally/emotionally/physically.  The reason is I think its hard to play with those levels and keep yourself in your right mind as these are very sensitive alterations in the brain chemistry.  Get a little out of balance and you get depressed, lose your sex drive, generally get out of whack. It's easy to throw things out, I find.
 
Relora on the other hand, seems to work specifically on reducing cortisol levels which is the chemical produced when the body gets stressed.   So its less likely to play around with your brain, which is a good thing.  And stress is most definitely a direct result of POIS for me.
I'm really speaking for myself here, as I am very sensitive to these various anti anxiety, calming products.  Some people seem to swear by them.

As for POIS effectiveness, I only got modest help my last time, but that may be because I had just started taking it, PLUS I was mixing it with a lot of other stuff. 
I have felt very good taking it the last few days, but its now been 11 days since my last orgasm.  I still wouldn't recommend taking it all the time.  I am just using it for times when I'm under extra stress.

I still don't think I've found the magic pill for POIS yet but I never give up.
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« Reply #392 on: 27/03/2008 01:15:39 »
hk1979, and B_Jim, you sound like you've had some scientific training or studying. If I may ask, in what field?
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« Reply #393 on: 28/03/2008 06:23:54 »
First of all, wanna say that I'm extremely glad to find a supportive forum on this topic.
I've been trying to search for this for a while but couldn't find anything.
Guys, I read many of the posts and some of the symptoms are just outrageously unfair.
Why do we get this weird condition?
So annoying..
I don't think I saw someone with the exact condition as mine.

I'm 20 and have a very annoying condition.
After orgasm (sex or masturbation) I have diarrhea.
The first time was about 5 years ago when I was 15-16
Back then it happened very rarely.
It was like this,
for about 1 month of the year, it would happen maybe half of the time.
So I didn't give much thought and ignored it.
As time went by, it got worse and worse.
Every year, the rate and the period grew slowly.
Now I'm 20, and the rate is worse than ever.
Even last year, it was like half of the time for maybe 3-4 months a year.
Since this year, it's been like 80% of the time so far for almost 4 months..
I'm so sad guys..help me out
Diarrhea comes within 20-60 minutes, but most likely around 30 minutes.
When it comes, it comes in a form of hurricane.
It's just once and the next day after a day or a day and half, I poop normal.
if I have sex right after the diarrhea, the second time around I don't have diarrhea (nothing to come out I guess)

Some other symptoms that I experience (5-10% of the time) are weird noise in my ears, headache and dizziness.

Is there something I can do to make these symptoms go away?
Has anyone here had similar symptoms and got rid of them?

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« Reply #394 on: 28/03/2008 16:47:56 »
Welcome, pdawg, sorry I don't have any silver bullet for you. We're all still struggling for answers. But I do have very mild symptoms that are similar to yours. Best wishes.
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« Reply #395 on: 28/03/2008 17:21:40 »
wow.

just wow.

i can't even imagine what it must be like to have to refrain from sexual activity, and even avoid sexual stimuli in case of nocturnal emissions.

i hope things improve.

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« Reply #396 on: 28/03/2008 17:39:52 »
Hi everyone, I followed this post for more than 6 months and finally decided to show up, generally I have a 10yrs experience of POIS, suffering from most of the symptoms you describe here.

I suppose its very difficult for newcomers (as well as people who just drop by from time to time, to check whether you know some sort of a cure for that syndrome) to follow the information supplied by members of that thread - profiles, medicines, protocols, diets, exercise routines and other backgrounds that could definitely help to identify some - maybe common - variables.

Thats why I founded a ning social network - where you can support this group in hopefully - more meaningful way.

Tell me what you think, and if you are interested we can create that network together to fight for our health. I am absolutely open to share administrators privileges with anyone interested.


the address of that forum/network is http://nopoison.ning.com/

I shall successively transfer content to that place adding more structure and meaning to it.

Hope to meet you there, feel free to comment it here or there.

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« Reply #397 on: 28/03/2008 17:42:55 »
Ah, and one more thing - english is not my first language, so forgive me my spelling or syntax mistakes ;)

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« Reply #398 on: 28/03/2008 19:07:46 »
Nopoison

I joined your network.

Welcome Pdawg,
I am amazed at how varied the symptoms are among everyone. 

Found out one thing that may help re DHEA.  Chromium picolinate.  My wife had a whole book on it and one thing it does is make DHEA naturally in the body.  It's very cheap too.  I've started taking it regularly, so we'll see.

Been feeling very dopey lately..don't know if its related to the Relora or the L-tyrosine I've been taking..or something else altogether.

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« Reply #399 on: 28/03/2008 20:14:27 »
Ah, and one more thing - english is not my first language, so forgive me my spelling or syntax mistakes ;)


Hi nopoison.

I do wish you well with your network.

Please forgive me if I have misunderstood your meaning of "I shall successively transfer content to that place adding more structure and meaning to it.".........but...it would be nice once you've copied and pasted all the info from here that perhaps some form of reciprocation in the way of a link back here would be nice..............maybe I misunderstood though, but I took that to mean that you'll transfer all the info from this site to yours....if I have got it wrong then I sincerely apologize |!

Good luck

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