Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4200 on: 26/04/2009 01:51:30 »
Does anyone here who suffers from POIS have a history of excessive masturbation?

Yep too much, my wife does not want sex, I do... I masterbate, point blank.

How long do you have to abstain before the symptoms become like POIS symptoms?

Well I can abstain for as long the "urges" do not start, once they start its a matter of 1/2 day max. And as you can read above it ends usutally in masturbation.

If I have sex sex usually POIS is less and urges start maybe 7 days later, masterbate gives worse POIS and urges start much sooner....

Its one hell of a cycle.

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« Reply #4201 on: 26/04/2009 02:05:05 »
might be a stupid thought but i just wanted to through it out there....could we have a our own version of persistant genital arousal disorder (PGAD)?

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« Reply #4202 on: 26/04/2009 02:13:17 »
a good PGAD site is hugthemonkey.com/oxytocin

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« Reply #4203 on: 26/04/2009 04:18:27 »
Dean93 dont give up, you have reached your best source for inforamtion on how to go about destroying this pain in the butt.
It is good you discovered it early, trust me i have it in college and it sucks.

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« Reply #4204 on: 26/04/2009 04:23:00 »
i was just reporting on sleeping sideways.  Sleeping sideways is great for preventing nocturnal emissions but it doesnt preven brain ogasms. I have been in pois twice because of brain orgasm without emission. I believe brain orgasms can be stoped if i sleep a maximum of 7 hours.
And also wrapping body into blanket helps prevent rolling over while sleeping.

sleeping sideways gives me and extra day or two out of pois.

sleeping sideways gives me an extra day or two without pois.

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« Reply #4205 on: 26/04/2009 08:09:30 »
Amazing, I always thought brain orgasms without emission were always POIS-free.

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« Reply #4206 on: 26/04/2009 11:52:03 »
Dean93,
I am in the same boat, staying chaste with the occasional NE. I keep NEs to a minimum by avoiding anything that would incite erotic images in my mind, like suggestive TV shows.  When I do have an NE I eat some raw garlic as it has seemed to help me in the past (bizarre, I know). There are other "natural" things that have helped people here, such as Relora and fenugreek. If you want to read what has been reported on them just do a search with the site and whatever terms included.

I believe that masturbation led to my POIS condition. I don't remember the exact age when I started but I guess it was around age 11. My suspicion is that masturbation can be damaging, and possibly more destructive to a neurological system that is not fully developed. This belief is reinforced by both my personal experience with POIS and my newfound Catholic faith.

I hope that this site helps you avoid the misery. [:)]

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« Reply #4207 on: 26/04/2009 16:45:28 »
Thank you CCconfucius for the reassuring words.

John21, now I am finding it hard to remember, but i do think i tried to stay away from any sexual images, due to on instance where i went upstairs to avoid watching the TV show Greek. Despite this, when I felt good, I could appreciate a non sexual image of a beautiful woman.

I will most definitely try the raw garlic. I have always been adverse to taking pills, I wont even take tylenol if i have a headache, du to my belief that since we come from nature, things that come from nature will work better with our bodies. Not to say that if I had to take pills I wouldn't, I would just much rather use a natural remedy.

About masturbation:

In school, on the internet, and otherwise, the dominant idea is that masturbation is healthy and normal, not harmful in anyway and that everyone does it. If masturbation is the cause of POIS, which I believe it is, this is very bad. Even though they know it hurts them, some younger boys may continue to masturbate because of these messages, I know I did, because, perhaps, they are not mature enough to make the decision for themselves. Hopefully we can change this.

Thank you for your help and kind words.

I have a couple other issues/questions to bring up, but I dont want to say to much at one time.

Thank you again to everyone here at the forum


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4208 on: 26/04/2009 19:45:54 »
Dean93,

I am in my mid twenties.  I started out with POIS about the same way you did, at about the same age.  My reaction was to cut all masturbation and pornography completely.  For the first 3-5 months this was really hard, but eventually I had NEs in a cycle, every 3 days or so.  This made it easier, although I would say I was still symptomatic about 30% of the time.  As the cycle continued for about 6 months, my symptoms diminished.

For awhile it affected my grades, but in the end, I still did well in high school.  You have to be tough, and just focus on your work as much you can.

Yes, this has affected my life, but if you are extremely disciplined it is manageable.  In a way, you are quite lucky to have found this forum at an early stage of POIS.  I went 10 years without any support whatsoever -- some people here have gone 30.  You have an opportunity to blunt the effects of POIS at an early age, which is really promising.

You should also realize that most people do not feel this way after orgasm.  Masturbation, etc., does not have this effect on them.  Also, it is unlikely that a random physician would be able to help you, or would understand what you're going through.  You're going to have to be thick skinned, and see multiple doctors (perhaps even multiple endocrinologists), etc.  I do not recommend naturopaths or "alternative practitioners", though some here would disagree with me.  Some alternative practitioners are well meaning and intelligent.  But many of them pretend to understand things they do not, which gives us false hope. Also, a rigorous education or understanding of human physiology, or of pharmaceuticals, is not required of them, and so is often lacking.  This combination leads to well-meaning but ultimately harmful advice. 

Finally, one thing I was quite worried about at your age was cumulative damage.  I am not concerned about this to the extent I once was.  In some ways, I am much smarter than I was at 17, etc.  We can also see that people here who have had this for 20-30+ years are still quite cogent.

PS. I would avoid alcohol, and recreational drugs of any kind (tobacco, pot, etc.).  They seem to consistently aggravate this condition.
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« Reply #4209 on: 27/04/2009 00:34:58 »
Thank you, Counterpoints, I will try my best to focus on my school work.

Are you saying that allowing your cycle of NEs to continue, your symptoms effected you less? To what degree?

About seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet. But this is something I will have to deal with on my own. Ideally I could find a common remedy and have that be it, but I know that may not work out.

I will also make sure not to allow myself to come into contact with any such drugs, none of my friends would do them so I think I should be okay.

Does anyone else experience the indifference that comes with POIS? It certainly does not help in curing it.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4210 on: 27/04/2009 05:38:54 »

Does anyone else experience the indifference that comes with POIS? It certainly does not help in curing it.


Yes, Dean, indifference, apathy, "zoning out", are all unfortunately very common POIS elements. We try to fight it a little bit at a time.


About seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet.


Just a suggestion, maybe a starting point would be to have your Mom take you to see your regular doctor, describing some of your symptoms (without making a big deal out of "POIS" or "sex" - some people just don't react well initially with those terms. Focus on your symptoms), and then ask your doctor if he would agree to refer you to an endocrinologist. You can explain to the doctor that you have found that other people with this cluster of symptoms have benefited from having their hormones tested and treated accordingly, by an endocrinologist. Hormones such as testosterone, cortisol and several other key hormones. When you get to that point, check in with us again and we'll tell you what specific tests some of us have done. You can also search previous posts here.

This is only one idea. Maybe something else will work better. Perhaps you, or others here, might have another idea how to best approach this.

Dean, please keep in mind that none of us here are qualified to give you medical advice, or a diagnosis of whether or not you have POIS. We can only share our experience and hope that you find great success with your family's doctors.

Please let us know how things progress with you! We're glad to see you here.
« Last Edit: 27/04/2009 08:37:11 by demografx »

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« Reply #4211 on: 27/04/2009 05:52:42 »

We can also see that people here who have had this for 20-30+ years are still quite cogent.


You're too kind, Counterpoints! [;D]

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« Reply #4212 on: 27/04/2009 06:30:27 »
Martin88,
Have you thought more about testing your polling ideas here at the Forum?
I appreciate you talk to me about this since I think it can help us. I had some positive answers after I contacted a few people PM . It will be done soon or late, when I'll have time. I hope everybody will participate.

Very sad to see some guys in college who are starting their life with this problem.
Hello Dean, If I can make a suggestion to you and other concerned. Eventually you may be tempted to have a break at the end of college for a while (what I did!). Then it was very hard to come back, specially with pois, I had 2 friends in the same situation, so I think you'll save hard time if you keep sticking there. Just a little complement to the other very good posts..

 
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« Reply #4213 on: 27/04/2009 07:15:10 »

Just a little complement to the other very good posts..[to Dean93]
 

I agree, Martin. Thanks everyone!

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« Reply #4214 on: 27/04/2009 07:30:44 »

Dean93,

There are other "natural" things that have helped people here, such as Relora and fenugreek. If you want to read what has been reported on them just do a search with the site and whatever terms included.


Thanks, John! Dean: here is a way to search for previous posts on Relora and fenugreek, something you may wish to discuss with your doctor:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+fenugreek+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&btnG=Search

After you click on the above, find a post that seems interesting and click on that. Then use [Ctrl + F] (type a keyword(s) that best describes the post-summary you want), so that you can zero in easily on the post(s) you're looking for.
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« Reply #4215 on: 27/04/2009 08:18:16 »
John21

I think we all owe a debt of gratitude - certainly I do! - to John for being the very first poster here 2 years ago.

It must have taken great courage to post on such a sensitive, controversial topic, and, for some people, even somewhat embarrassing.

The result of that initial post could have easily been negative/skeptical reply posts, very common on the internet. Instead it opened a floodgate of viewing and posting and is now the most authoritative place to get information about POIS.

Many people who scoured the planet emptyhanded for information and support for years now have a great resource, finally.

Thanks, John! [:)]
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« Reply #4216 on: 27/04/2009 17:57:29 »
On brain orgasm.
I have a very naughty dream that wakes me up without emission,i check to make sure since am so used to doing it.
That same day i feel like sh1t, i get the wierd fatigue and the talking dissapears.
That is my reason for believing it is just orgasm.

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« Reply #4217 on: 27/04/2009 18:23:34 »

bout seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about. I don't know how to bring this up to my mom, and if I do I'm afraid that she will just brush it off, she's old fashioned and I don't think that she will accept that I have a certain condition based on my having looked on the internet. But this is something I will have to deal with on my own. Ideally I could find a common remedy and have that be it, but I know that may not work out.


You might need to suggest to your mom you are having a chronic headache so she can take you to doctor and then do what demografx said.
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« Reply #4218 on: 27/04/2009 19:48:00 »
bout seeing a doctor, I don't know how my mom would feel about taking me to an endocrinologist without an explanation, and thats something that I'm worried about.

Endocrinologists are very common to be seen if they think its hormonal etc.. just going to your family doctors and telling him symptoms without the "sex talk" will most likely lead him to the Endo consultation.... this is going to be my approach and I am 40+ cause when you start talking about it in other terms they often start thinking depression and just want to put you on pills! for me this does not work, been there done that and now its Endo time!

Just go see familty doctor, if he brings up End great, if not just mention it and say maybe it would be a good idea to see one, if he gives you a referal I would hope most moms would not say anything other than "Your Going!"

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« Reply #4219 on: 27/04/2009 20:19:25 »
John21

I think we all owe a debt of gratitude - certainly I do! - to John for being the very first poster here 2 years ago.

It must have taken great courage to post on such a sensitive, controversial topic, and, for some people, even somewhat embarrassing.

The result of that initial post could have easily been negative/skeptical reply posts, very common on the internet. Instead it opened a floodgate of viewing and posting and is now the most authoritative place to get information about POIS.

Many people who scoured the planet emptyhanded for information and support for years now have a great resource, finally.

Thanks, John! [:)]

And let's not forget B_Jim, who came in next, and immediately began feeding us a tremendous amount of data...and has been organizing it since...plus great ongoing participation!

Not too long afterwards, Counterpoints came in next to create a very sophisticated survey system approach, with Martin88's help. And then all the regular posters who have come in since then...have kept this place booming! Thank you all!

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« Reply #4220 on: 27/04/2009 23:17:45 »
Demo, thanks it feels good to know that I helped in this way. But my respect is much higher for you (and the others as well) for your dedication and enthusiastic quest for answers. 

I can't imagine how many people actually suffer from POIS, but as long as we have a place to discuss it freely like this I expect the list will grow continually.

Dean93, I understand the awkward problem of discussing such matters with your parents... I can't imagine ever doing such a thing! Hopefully you can manage the situation with chastity and possibly herbal supplement experiments as a back up plan.

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« Reply #4221 on: 27/04/2009 23:54:21 »
Thanks again, John!

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« Reply #4222 on: 28/04/2009 03:47:15 »
Yes, John21, I'm glad that you understand. It would be great if I could beat it that way, as I just can;t figure out a way to say whats wrong without getting into details. If I have to, I will, but I think I'll start with supplements. I plan to try the garlic first. John21, did you say that you had the garlic both before and after your NE? Having no symptoms sounds wonderful! I am sort of in the downswing of my cycle at the moment, tonight at rehearsal for my high school's Jazz Band I really had a lot of trouble keeping focused and alert, which is obviously bad. Today I also felt like I was manufacturing words/actions rather than having them come naturally. Can anyone relate?

Thank you again to everyone here at the forum who has offered their advice, wisdom and knowledge. Dealing with this is a lot easier knowing that your not the only one and that it can be treated/cured! Thank you!

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« Reply #4223 on: 28/04/2009 06:26:59 »
I've been getting questions about the questionnaire!  I am not officially responsible for the form, Marnia is. User 'reuniting' on this site.  Thanks. 
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« Reply #4224 on: 28/04/2009 06:44:28 »
Thank you, Counterpoints, I will try my best to focus on my school work.

Are you saying that allowing your cycle of NEs to continue, your symptoms effected you less? To what degree?

Since then I've broken the cycle, and my symptoms have fluctuated quite a lot over recent years.  But I would say that at my best, during high school, symptoms affected me maybe 15% of the time, in a month.  e.g. every week or so, I would feel off for a day. And the symptoms wouldn't be horrible that day, I would still be functional.
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« Reply #4225 on: 28/04/2009 11:53:56 »
Dean93,
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I plan to try the garlic first. John21, did you say that you had the garlic both before and after your NE?

Ideally I think it is better to have it beforehand but unless you are eating it everyday that probably won't work, as NEs are unpredictable. I have had success consuming if for a couple of days after an NE. I eat about two cloves: I crush them in a garlic press and let the sit for 5 - 10 minutes then lightly microwave them. Add some ketchup and it becomes eatable. Of course the downside is the breath thing, teeth brushing may not quite get rid of it. You may wish to stock up on chewing gum. I don't really know but maybe coating your mouth with milk or olive oil or something beforehand might reduce the scent afterwards. And also some people can smell "garlicy" the next day when it comes out of the skin's pores. You could make up some story on why you are trying garlic in case you are questioned. Tell them you've read that garlic gets rid of zits or something. [:)]

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« Reply #4226 on: 28/04/2009 22:57:06 »
Today I also felt like I was manufacturing words/actions rather than having them come naturally. Can anyone relate?

Yes.  I think this has shown up as 'word finding difficulty', and 'difficulty communicating', with 'lack of spontaneity/creativity'.  These symptoms are fairly common in POIS descriptions.  I experience this too.
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« Reply #4227 on: 29/04/2009 00:55:12 »
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Today I also felt like I was manufacturing words/actions rather than having them come naturally. Can anyone relate?


Yes.  I think this has shown up as 'word finding difficulty', and 'difficulty communicating', with 'lack of spontaneity/creativity'.  These symptoms are fairly common in POIS descriptions.  I experience this too.

Yes, when I was in my POIS state I would experience this. In conversation I would often rely on memory for what to say vs thinking anything new. Mentally limited.

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« Reply #4228 on: 29/04/2009 10:45:00 »
Hi, Deniseamonalisa, you are not the only woman suffering pois, sure; i would like to contact other women with the same symptoms: for one or two days after sex, flu-like symptoms like a light fever, brain fog, unable to think clearly or concentrate (brain fog) Hope to hear from you soon

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« Reply #4229 on: 29/04/2009 23:23:15 »
zaaria, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!



zaaria, you can contact Deniseamonalisa by Private Message. Please see PM instructions below at "POIS Research Study". I have also alerted her by Private Message to look at your post.

The consensus at this forum to heal your POIS, is to start with hormonal bloodtesting, preferably with an endocrinologist.
 
Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send "Pyropeach" a Private Message with your regular email address and he'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around the recipient's name, e.g., "pyropeach".

New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse


In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community.

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 250,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
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« Reply #4230 on: 29/04/2009 23:42:40 »
Do I have Hypogonadism or POIS?

My endocrinologist writes "hypogonadism" in his labwork orders for my bloodtests. (If he wrote "POIS" - an unrecognized malady - I'm sure that would create undesirable questions in the lab).

Hypogonadism means that the body produces insufficient levels of testosterone. Which is exactly what they found in my blood testing: low testosterone (along with very high prolactin).

I was prescribed testosterone relacement therapy (TRT), which, most happily, cures my POIS 90%+.

What is confusing to me is that TRT is also the treatment for hypogonadism. But my symptoms are clearly POIS, and I don't see a symptom-similarity between POIS and hypogonadism.

Does this make sense?

ps - About 2 hours after writing the above, I found John's old post below. Now my question is "Do hypogonadism symptoms sometimes last for DAYS or weeks after orgasm?" If they do, maybe this is a new discovery! Do I (and others "with POIS" who are primarily affected by low testosterone) simply have a form of hypogonadism and not POIS?
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« Reply #4231 on: 30/04/2009 02:12:55 »

Aren't the symptoms for hypogonadism similar to ours?

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Symptoms
In Men
Effects of low testosterone in men may include: (not all are present in any single individual)

Word Finding difficulty
Dry Skin
Cracking nails
Fatigue
Muscle loss/atrophy
Frequent urination without infection
Getting up at night to urinate
Dementia-like memory loss
Poor sleep secondary to achy muscles
Poor libido
Erectile Dysfunction
Increasing weight
Glucose intolerance (early diabetes)
Cholesterol/Lipid abnormalities
Slight increase size of breasts
Depression
Anxiety
Hot flashes
Decrease in beard and body hair growth
Loss of bone mass (osteoporosis )
Difficulty concentrating
Irritability
Psychological and relationship problems
Anaemia
Infertility
Decrease in firmness of testicles
Impaired growth of the penis and testicles

John, interesting that I just ran across this, which answers some of my question! Is wikipedia the source info for these symptoms?
« Last Edit: 30/04/2009 02:14:42 by demografx »

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Offline John21

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« Reply #4232 on: 30/04/2009 11:57:22 »
Demo,
Sorry if I didn't source that, it may have been Wikipedia.

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« Reply #4233 on: 30/04/2009 18:43:09 »
John, you did source it via the hypogonadism link, but when I had a quick look at the wiki symptoms list, it looked just a little different from your posted symptoms list. Did I look in the wrong place?

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« Reply #4234 on: 01/05/2009 01:14:48 »
Demo, I'm guessing that the page was updated then.

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« Reply #4235 on: 01/05/2009 02:48:22 »
Thanks, John, mystery's solved!

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« Reply #4236 on: 02/05/2009 22:05:26 »

tonight at rehearsal for my high school's Jazz Band I really had a lot of trouble keeping focused and alert


Dean, a few of us here are also musicians (I play blues piano). Keep up the playing!

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« Reply #4237 on: 02/05/2009 23:55:51 »
Hello everyone.

My last NE was 10 days ago. Today, I feel worse than I think I ever have. I've had two other orgasms since then through masturbation just because I was hopeless and really dull minded. I tried the garlic for two days, but then stopped because I thought it might be better to wait. My Mom is skeptical about taking me to the doctor. She says that I just "sleep so much that I think its a disease" and that I can just wait for two months to go for a physical. I don't know what else to tell her. One of the worst parts about talking to others about this is that there is really no way to substantiate it like you might be able to with a disease like chicken pox.

I feel like life is passing me by and like I'm wasting the days that should be a great experience. At times its like my life is falling apart before me and I can't do a thing about it. I got a note from two friends saying how much they loved me, a very close friend of mine is frustrated with me because I can't hold a conversation with her anymore, one of my teachers told me that I looked like I was "just barely here". No emotional response. I feel like I'm just throwing my body around. I don't know what to do, everything I do or say is based on either what someone else does or says or what I think I'm expected to do, it doesn't work out.

I'm sorry that I have no real progress or useful information to share.


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« Reply #4238 on: 03/05/2009 01:55:10 »
Dean93, considering the nature of the problem at hand (assuming it is like mine was) it is quite easy to become discouraged. Just try to be patient. Remember that you are quite young and might have opportunities to get around this that us older guys wish we had at your age. Perhaps revealing it to a close friend would help you deal with it, if you think he/she would be supportive. And remember, if garlic doesn't help it is just one idea and it's success is claimed only by myself. There are other herbal ideas that have resulted in better feedback amongst us, namely fenugreek and relora. If you try either of these I would advise that you start out with small amounts. Although I personally think these are safe one should use caution and go slow when trying any new supplement. Remember that even though something is "natural" doesn't mean it is necessarily good for you.

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« Reply #4239 on: 03/05/2009 03:41:49 »
Dean 93,
If you are having problem with NE. I will suggest going to bed in a very loose jeans and also to sleep on side and also to avoid masturbation because i believe it weakens pc muscle(control ejaculation.)

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« Reply #4240 on: 03/05/2009 07:36:13 »
I believe some of you may have discussed this before like a bad response to sugar during POIS.  I remember having that to a point where the only thing that didn't cause that was drinking water.  I used to drink Iced Tea all the time but quit that because it would put me in such a bad mood.  Anything really that I had to eat seemed to affect me as if it was not being "filtered" and just being put into my body.  It is getting a lot better now.  I was just wondering if any of you guys had it to my extent.

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« Reply #4241 on: 03/05/2009 09:52:02 »
DEAN, no apologies needed. You're doing great, simply interacting here! This might not be my business, but I see enough urgency that you should push for the doctor visit! If nothing else, make sure it's ok for you to try fenugreek or relora. Especially if you're depressed or anxious. Dean, you might have to take charge more than you were prepared for. Your physical, emotional, psychological health lies in the balance. We have ALL had to overcome similar obstacles with people who simply don't get it. You can point to HUNDREDS who suffer like you and point to a medical paper written on POIS.

Best wishes, Dean!

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« Reply #4242 on: 03/05/2009 14:50:50 »
Feeling a lot better this morning. Random? Yes. Welcome? Unquestionably. Thank you Demo and John, I would like to go to the doctor but I don't really know how to tell my mom. It's not off the  list but hopefully I can try fenugreek and/or relora and not have to go through the whole thing of going to the doctor. All the research that I've done on the two says that they are safe. Demo, how do I know if they're unsafe for me?

Thanks for the tip CCconfucious.

goingcrazy, I don't really know if sugar worsens my symptoms. If it does I really haven't recognized it. Eating a lot of sugar does make me feel bad in general though.

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« Reply #4243 on: 03/05/2009 18:28:00 »
Thank you Demo and John, I would like to go to the doctor but I don't really know how to tell my mom.

Dean, I realize it could feel embarrassing to tell your mom, especially if it involves talking about masturbation.  However, perhaps one approach could be to just tell her about it in terms of NE's--that way it remains in the realm of the involuntary, and it doesn't require describing anything that "you do yourself."  And, alongside that, you could give her a copy of the Waldinger article.  Then, you could say more to the doctor by yourself once you get there.

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« Reply #4244 on: 03/05/2009 19:51:27 »
DEAN, if you take any other medicines, your pharmacy can tell you if there are any harmful interaction effects with relora. With fenugreek, just be careful and research it some more, and start small. I think I saw some unpleasant side effects reported here.

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« Reply #4245 on: 03/05/2009 20:45:34 »
Dean, as Guthrie says about showing the Waldinger study, send me a private message with your regular email, and I'll send it to your regular email address.

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« Reply #4246 on: 04/05/2009 23:59:36 »
Dean, thanks for requesting the Waldinger study!

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« Reply #4247 on: 05/05/2009 00:01:52 »
GC, I think there has been a lot of mention regarding gastrointestinal disturbances afterwards.

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« Reply #4248 on: 05/05/2009 00:19:23 »
Yet another Day Zero and feeling 95%! Slightly better I think because this time, I allowed 4 days' distance from the last Day Zero, instead of 2 days.
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« Reply #4249 on: 06/05/2009 03:56:57 »
Please help me Demografx.