Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #4350 on: 19/05/2009 06:53:50 »

A wikipedia user has changed the article. Here is the original list of symptoms:

Of the known cases:
 
   
   

Thank you CP for the list.
Someone changed all the text!
For me the new one is not very good, lack of details..

This is not true at all : "The phenomenon was first described in 2002.[2]"
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« Reply #4351 on: 19/05/2009 07:51:38 »

A wikipedia user has changed the article. Here is the original list of symptoms:

Of the known cases:
 
   
   

Thank you CP for the list.
Someone changed all the text!
For me the new one is not very good, lack of details..

This is not true at all : "The phenomenon was first described in 2002.[2]"


Yes.. I disagree with the person's editorial ideas; I don't think that one should follow protocol exactly, if it sacrifices the quality and accuracy of an article.  I'll probably leave the article as-is for awhile though, since there was a deletion debate and the result was keep.

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« Reply #4352 on: 19/05/2009 10:21:12 »
Search "garlic testosterone", and there's some interesting results.

I had emission today and just ate some garlic cloves. I feel good a bit after eating, hope it continues after sleeping. Apparently the garlic is a natural supplier of testosterone(?) Anyone else besides the couple who already have tried garlic? I'd like to see if everyone who posts here gets good results from garlic.

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« Reply #4353 on: 19/05/2009 10:32:30 »
FYI, you can search the web pages of other languages by using Google Translate. My IE8 browser has it accessable under the Command Bar, but you can also go here and paste in a URL. It's pretty cool.
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« Reply #4354 on: 19/05/2009 14:31:28 »
Description du P.O.I.S :

parmi les cas connus :

  • Plus de 97% sont des hommes.
  • Une majorité rapporte seulement des symptômes cognitifs bien que des symptômes physiques (ressemblant à ceux de la grippe) soient souvent mentionnés.
  • Les symptômes ne dépendent pas de la manière utilisée pour parvenir à l'orgasme.
  • Les symptômes apparaissent habituellement dans les minutes qui suivent l'orgasme.
  • En moyenne les symptômes durent de 1 à 3 jours.
  • Les symptômes sont présents de 20 à 70% du temps durant un mois donné, selon un certain nombre de variables.

Symptômes les plus fréquents :

  • Anxiété
  • Difficulté à trouver ses mots
  • Difficulté de communication (possiblement aphasie temporaire)
  • Etat de manque pour le soulagement suivant l'orgasme
  • Fatigue ou épuisement
  • Irritabilité
  • Lenteur d'esprit
  • Manque de spontanéité ou de créativité
  • Perte de la capacité à se concentrer (déficit d'attention)
  • Phobie sociale
  • Problème de mémoire à court terme
  • Troubles cognitifs (brouillard mental)

La plupart des cas de POIS mentionnent presque tous les symptômes ci-dessus, qu'ils soient ou non atteints des symptômes décrits plus bas. Une exception pour la fatigue ou l'épuisement: un grand nombre de cas de POIS en souffrent mais pour d'autres les symptômes ci-dessus sont rapportés sans mention de fatigue, ou encore la fatigue peut être présente sans les symptômes mentionnés ci-dessus.

Autres symptômes rapportés:

  • Aphtes buccaux
  • Aversion pour la lumière
  • Aversion pour le froid ou le chaud
  • Chaleur dans le bout des doigts
  • Dépression
  • Déréalisation
  • Diarrhée
  • Hypertension
  • Hypoglycémie
  • Insomnie
  • Maux de tête
  • Pâleur
  • Palpitations
  • Problèmes de peau
  • Pupilles dilatées
  • Spasmes musculaires
  • Symptômes grippaux
  • Tremblements
  • Troubles de l'appétit
  • Troubles visuels

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« Reply #4355 on: 19/05/2009 14:38:53 »
Thanks, Martin! for the translation.

And all excellent points in your WHO post. Yes, I think "severity" absolutely applies.
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« Reply #4356 on: 19/05/2009 14:41:46 »
John, cool graphics!

Maybe we can get ideas for POIS treatment from other countries? We're not necessarily more advanced or knowledgeable!

Asian countries have certainly been dealing with it much longer.
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« Reply #4357 on: 19/05/2009 15:36:39 »
Googling fatigue après orgasme now shows us as the #1 search result.

An interesting one, result #2 is from Sexologie Magazine, which looks like a man, late 30's, who is reporting POIS (intense fatigue après orgasme), citing Waldinger. What follows is a "Dear Abby" type of reply:

Here is the Yahoo Babel Fish translation of the above post (keep in mind automated translations are imprecise, only to be used as a very rough guide)
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sexologie-magazine.com%2Fcorps%2FquestionsCorps%2FCorpsQR25.html&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

The original post above in French:
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html

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« Reply #4358 on: 19/05/2009 17:43:29 »
Great work Martin!!!

We could help make POIS more known by linking our Wikipedia article into other relevant Wiki articles, and posting re-directs for synonyms, and including it in different categories (e.g. medical health) etc. (As it is, to find the article, you basically have to type 'post orgasmic illness syndrome' into Wiki search.. it seems unlikely many people will do this).  I can help with these updates, but I probably won't have too much time this week or next.

Then we could translate the Wiki article and post it in the different language sections of the site.

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« Reply #4359 on: 19/05/2009 18:11:20 »
Thanks, Counterpoints, your continuing work is really appreciated!

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« Reply #4360 on: 19/05/2009 18:15:20 »

I can try to do a draft next week-end, if you agree Pronobis, it's your idea :)

Then I hope you'll arrange this in correct english Demo.


Pronobis, is that ok with you that Martin drafts a letter to WHO? (And I will help edit)

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« Reply #4361 on: 19/05/2009 18:38:00 »
I'll also volunteer to help edit.

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« Reply #4362 on: 19/05/2009 19:50:39 »

I can try to do a draft next week-end, if you agree Pronobis, it's your idea :)

Then I hope you'll arrange this in correct english Demo.


Pronobis, is that ok with you that Martin drafts a letter to WHO? (And I will help edit)

Sure, one of you should do that, cause you know better the problem and you're native english speaker.

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« Reply #4363 on: 19/05/2009 19:54:49 »
my POIS has dramatically improved. Most times I feel healed 90%. This is after 30+ years of consistently agonizing POIS episodes.


It means that you have solved your problem or you have aggravated it?

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« Reply #4364 on: 19/05/2009 20:22:46 »
Bonjour,

Je suis très fatigué et épuisé après le sexe (toute sorte d'éjaculation; que ça soit la masturbation ou le rapport sexuel). S'y ajoute encore les simptômes grippaux (les yeux qui grattent, le nez qui coule), les problèmes de peau (démangeaisons, pellicules), les problèmes de concentration, les maux à la tête, au dos, les spasmes musculaires etc. qui peuvent durer jusqu'à 1 semaine et plus (en fonction du nombre d'éjaculation). Les medecins nient toute liaison entre le sexe et ces problèmes, ils disent que c'est dans ma tête alors que j'observe cette liaison depuis des années et j'en suis absolument sûr. Finalement je suis désespéré et je suis resté devant le choix dûr - je dois choisir entre le sexe et la vie normale.

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« Reply #4365 on: 19/05/2009 22:13:52 »

my POIS has dramatically improved. Most times I feel healed 90%. This is after 30+ years of consistently agonizing POIS episodes.


It means that you have solved your problem or you aggravated it?


It means that I have solved my problem 90%. If I exceed "reasonable" limits as to frequency, it is less. I'm finding these new limits by trial and error. So far, the "safe" new limits appear to be 10X greater than the old limits.

This assumes that my testosterone therapy (Androderm patches, 10mg daily) will continue to work. I've been on them now for over 3 months.
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« Reply #4366 on: 19/05/2009 22:31:19 »
Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! [:)]

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« Reply #4367 on: 19/05/2009 22:33:26 »

I'll also volunteer to help edit.


Thanks, CP!

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« Reply #4368 on: 19/05/2009 22:59:36 »
Martin, Pronobis, B_Jim, please feel free to invite this French POIS-sufferer to our forum!
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html

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« Reply #4369 on: 20/05/2009 01:02:32 »
Martin, Pronobis, B_Jim, please feel free to invite this French POIS-sufferer to our forum!
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html


It is impossible to contact persons who ask questions in this site. It would be very interesting because he wants even to create an association.

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« Reply #4370 on: 20/05/2009 01:03:57 »
Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! [:)]

Thank YOU for the hope :))

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« Reply #4371 on: 20/05/2009 02:04:05 »

Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! [:)]


Thank YOU for the hope :))


We all get it from each other here.

Before coming here 2 years ago, I was resigned to a hopeless outcome, since I tried everything - for decades - and nothing seemed to work. Now, all that has changed with this forum. I've become very hopeful because of it.
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« Reply #4372 on: 20/05/2009 02:51:39 »
Some potentially significant bloodwork results:

This past week, I went to my doctor for a routine physical.  They did some standard bloodwork (CBC profile, metabolic panel), which I had also had done in previous visits.  All of these came back normal. 

However, this time, they also tested for Vitamin D, which I had not been tested for previously.  According to the results, I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

The doctor's primary concern involved the relation between vitamin D and calcium absorption, such that a deficiency in vitamin D could lead to bone problems over the long term.  However, after coming home from the doctor, I did some further investigating, and found that Vitamin D is also involved in other processes that may have a more direct connection to POIS!

Just drawing upon the basic wikipedia article on vitamin D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D), it appears that vitamin D is involved in autoimmune response, seasonal affective disorder (i.e. certain forms of depression), and forms of cognitive impairment (including "foggy brain" i.e. our old friend brain fog).  All of these seems related to key POIS symptoms.

From searching the POIS thread on the forum, I noticed that vitamin D had been mentioned a few times before.  So, I will start supplementation, and report on my results.  Who knows, perhaps this could turn out to be a key breakthrough (although I shouldn't jump too quickly to any conclusions). 

The one thing that I'm most happy about (although this may seem a little weird) is that the doctors finally found something wrong with me.  That is, I'd been going to the doctor for a couple of years now specifically for POIS, and I've had a number of tests done (including testosterone), and they all came back normal--ARRRGH!  Now, at least, there is a little proof that my personal experience of "unhealth" is not all in my head (even though this vitamin D issue may turn out to be unrelated to POIS).  So, that is nice.

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« Reply #4373 on: 20/05/2009 04:44:46 »
Then we could translate the Wiki article and post it in the different language sections of the site.
Let me know exactly what we need to translate, I'll try to do this.

I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

Guthrie,
Your report is terrific! Wish you better health soon.
There was also one or two other case of pois who were tested and deficient.
What dosage did your doctor give you ? That can explain why I'm better with halibut liver oil, even if I think that vitamin A can also be helpful for pois.
The advantage of this oil is that a very small amount contains a big dose of vitamin. (5000 UI A and 400 UI D for one small capsule). Not to be taken everyday because it can be toxic.


Vitamin A and D are also given for pancreatic insufficiency (source:from a book written by MD or here :
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.medicinales.fr/Insuffisance-pancreatique&ei=UXsTStWxNJSS9QTs96X_Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dinsuffisance%2Bpancr%25C3%25A9atique%2Bvitamin%2Ba%2Bd%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

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« Reply #4374 on: 20/05/2009 05:40:36 »
Some potentially significant bloodwork results:

This past week, I went to my doctor for a routine physical.  They did some standard bloodwork (CBC profile, metabolic panel), which I had also had done in previous visits.  All of these came back normal. 

However, this time, they also tested for Vitamin D, which I had not been tested for previously.  According to the results, I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

The doctor's primary concern involved the relation between vitamin D and calcium absorption, such that a deficiency in vitamin D could lead to bone problems over the long term.  However, after coming home from the doctor, I did some further investigating, and found that Vitamin D is also involved in other processes that may have a more direct connection to POIS!

Just drawing upon the basic wikipedia article on vitamin D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D), it appears that vitamin D is involved in autoimmune response, seasonal affective disorder (i.e. certain forms of depression), and forms of cognitive impairment (including "foggy brain" i.e. our old friend brain fog).  All of these seems related to key POIS symptoms.

From searching the POIS thread on the forum, I noticed that vitamin D had been mentioned a few times before.  So, I will start supplementation, and report on my results.  Who knows, perhaps this could turn out to be a key breakthrough (although I shouldn't jump too quickly to any conclusions). 

The one thing that I'm most happy about (although this may seem a little weird) is that the doctors finally found something wrong with me.  That is, I'd been going to the doctor for a couple of years now specifically for POIS, and I've had a number of tests done (including testosterone), and they all came back normal--ARRRGH!  Now, at least, there is a little proof that my personal experience of "unhealth" is not all in my head (even though this vitamin D issue may turn out to be unrelated to POIS).  So, that is nice.



Hi Guthrie.  Good news!  Interestingly enough, a very good endocrinologist, after hearing my symptoms, actually suggested I get "25 OH Vitamin D" tested.  Is this the specific test you had?

PS.  Don't overdose on vitamin D! It can be dangerous to take too much.
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« Reply #4375 on: 20/05/2009 05:46:06 »
Guthrie, I never thought I would ever congratulate anyone for having found something wrong with them! [;D]

My very best wishes!
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« Reply #4376 on: 20/05/2009 12:11:42 »
5-HTP

Hey everyone.

Apologies for the large gap in my posts, but I have been conducting my experiment based on my Serotonin Imbalance theory

My projected self-treatment consisted of:

X2 100mg 5-HTP capsules per day (One late morning, the other before bed)

Prior to treatments, my POIS symptoms, and quite frequent out-of-POIS symptoms included:

Depression
Low Mood
Negativity and obsessive thoughts
Low self-esteem
Strong fatigue
Carbohydrate cravings
Low mental energy
Poor attention span
Impatience
Poor concentration
Poor memory
Thoughts of death (these were only during the intense POIS stages, don't worry :))
Low motivation

etc...

I conducted the experiment for the length of two weeks, with the same regime of 2 100mg 5-HTP capsules daily.

Here is my feedback.

I am delighted to report that I now consider myself virtually cured of POIS since this treatment began, leading me to believe that my POIS was Serotonin-related. As you can see, almost every symptoms listed above mirrors those of a Serotonin imbalance. (Percentage cured 90+ %)

Here are the symptoms which have been alleviated:

Depression - My depressive symptoms have disappeared completely. I am more content and happy after orgasm.

Low Mood - I no longer suffer from a low mood the day following orgasm and thereafter.

Negativity - My thoughts dwell on only the positive since my treatment began.

Low self-esteem - I have found myself to be more confident than previously following orgasm (though i am still quite quiet)

Strong Fatigue - My fatigue has also almost completely disappeared. Now, following orgasm, i can find the strength to do virtually anything physical.

Carbohydrate cravings - After orgasm, i would usually feel intense pangs of hunger, which would only disappear temporarily if I were to eat a lot of carbohydrates. This is no longer an issue, and I hardly ever snack now.

Low mental energy - After orgasm, i used to feel exhausted and tired mentally. This tiredness would ususally last a few days. Now, however I have much more mental energy after orgasm, with my cognition skills being virtually unhindered.

Poor attention span - After orgasm, and sometimes out-of-POIS, i would experience a poor attention span, with me being unable to concentrate on anything for more than a period of about 12 seconds. Since my treatment, i am pleased to say that my attention span has sky-rocketed, with me being able to concentrate for endless amounts of time. For example, being a huge fan of the band, The Doors, i would never before have been able to listen to their epic song, "The End", which lasts over 11 minutes, without stopping and moving on to another song. However since treatment, I have been able to listen to the song back-to-back without even letting my mind divert elsewhere.

Impatience - Before treatment, i would become very impatient, especially after orgasm, unwilling to wait large amounts of time for anything. Since treatment, I am pleased to say that I am more more patient, willing to wait any length of time, even after orgasm.

Poor concentration - My poor concentration has also disappeared. Before my treatment, I would sometimes be unable to follow even a basic line of language in a book, for example, after orgasm. Now, however, after orgasm i am much more able to focus and concentrate.

Poor memory - Before my treatment, i would notice a decrease in my memory function after orgasm, which, as you know, can devastate even a simple task. Since then, however, my memory has improved considerably.

Low motivation - My motivation to complete tasks is now incredible since my treatment. Coupled with patience and attention span, i find myself willing to complete a task with patience and determination no matter how long it takes.


Thus, as you can see, it seems that 5-HTP has been my "miracle cure" you might say. It has certainly alleviated most if not all of my POIS symptoms, and I find myself able to enjoy "O" without the knowledge that I will soon be festooned with symptoms.

I apologise for the long-winded nature of this post, however it might be worth trying 5-HTP as your POIS cure. It has certainly proved to be a wonder-cure. And best of all, it is a natural supplement, so there are minimal side effects.

Thank you

Ambient

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« Reply #4377 on: 20/05/2009 13:26:29 »

Hi Guthrie.  Good news!  Interestingly enough, a very good endocrinologist, after hearing my symptoms, actually suggested I get "25 OH Vitamin D" tested.  Is this the specific test you had?

PS.  Don't overdose on vitamin D! It can be dangerous to take too much.

I agree with Cp about Vitamin D overdose.

Counterpoints and B_Jim, could you provide some links regarding the dangers of vitamin D?  Thanks!

Also, yes, the 12.9 ng/mL on my lab results sheet is for "25 Hydroxy D total", and since OH=Hydroxy, then that would be 25 OH Vitamin D.  Actually, in addition to the total, the sheet also lists a sub-breakdown on "25 Hydroxy D2" (which came back at "< 2.5") and "25 Hydroxy D3" (which came back at "12.9").  However, there is no 'normal range' given on the sheet for either of those two sub-measures.

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« Reply #4378 on: 20/05/2009 18:13:50 »
Endo’s visit

- I told him symptoms, not the sexual thing. And showed my blood test results.

Endo then:
- saw my low t and wrote down hypogonadism. Though he said  it was not so low that he thought there should be done something about it, also because one test was just in range. He also said low T might be the outcome of other illness (adaptation of the body as he called it).
- ordered MRI pituitary. Don’t know why he did that, but this is good news.
- touched testicles ; to make sure they existed and were large enough. That was ok.
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POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #4379 on: 20/05/2009 20:05:50 »
Endo’s visit

- I told him symptoms, not the sexual thing. And showed my blood test results.

Endo then:
- saw my low t and wrote down hypogonadism. Though he said  it was not so low that he thought there should be done something about it, also because one test was just in range. He also said low T might be the outcome of other illness (adaptation of the body as he called it).
- ordered MRI pituitary. Don’t know why he did that, but this is good news.
- touched testicles ; to make sure they existed and were large enough. That was ok.


It sounds like he is taking you seriously, which is good.  Contrast might be useful for your pituitary MRI.  (My adenoma was only found in the post-GAD contrast images).  When they phone to book your appt, you could ask if your MRI is contrast enhanced. (I think it often is for pituitary).

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« Reply #4380 on: 20/05/2009 20:16:52 »

Hi Guthrie.  Good news!  Interestingly enough, a very good endocrinologist, after hearing my symptoms, actually suggested I get "25 OH Vitamin D" tested.  Is this the specific test you had?

PS.  Don't overdose on vitamin D! It can be dangerous to take too much.

I agree with Cp about Vitamin D overdose.

Counterpoints and B_Jim, could you provide some links regarding the dangers of vitamin D?  Thanks!


I like the Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D
And on overdose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Overdose

Vitamin D has a very long half-life in your system, which is partly why it is easy to overdose.

Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article.  I would go to the original article though, and see the references:
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The exact long-term safe dose of vitamin D is not known. In 1997 the U.S. Dietary Reference Intake Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) of vitamin D for children and adults was set at 50 micrograms/day (2,000 IU), but this is viewed as outdated and overly restrictive. A 2007 risk assessment suggested that 250 micrograms/day (10,000 IU) in healthy adults should be adopted as the tolerable upper limit.[38] In adults, sustained intake of 2500 micrograms/day (100,000 IU) can produce toxicity within a few months.[2] For infants (birth to 12 months) the tolerable UL is set at 25 micrograms/day (1000 IU), and vitamin D concentrations of 1000 micrograms/day (40,000 IU) in infants has been shown to produce toxicity within 1 to 4 months. Other sources indicate that the threshold for vitamin D toxicity in humans is 500 to 600 micrograms per kilogram body weight per day."[39] In rats an oral LD50 of 619 mg/kg is noted.[40] All known cases of vitamin D toxicity with hypercalcemia have involved intake of or over 1,000 micrograms/day (40,000 IU)[41].

Seems like 50 micrograms/day (2,000 IU) would be a safe "upper starting limit". (According to that info). Maybe 100 micrograms/day for the first week.  Remember that you will be getting vitamin D from sources other than any supplementation you will be taking.  After a month, you may want to lower the dosage, since it cumulatively builds up in your system.

Another interesting quote from the wikipedia article
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Although normal food and pill vitamin D concentration levels are far too low to be toxic in adults, people taking multiples of the normal dose of codliver oil may reach toxic levels of vitamin A, not vitamin D, [42] if taken in an attempt to increase the levels of vitamin D.
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« Reply #4381 on: 20/05/2009 20:19:07 »
Good news Ambient! And great post.

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« Reply #4382 on: 20/05/2009 20:20:32 »
Ambient, congratulations!

I have over 3 months experience now with my testosterone treatment and it's holding. At 2 weeks' experimentation, I would like to kindly suggest to be careful not to set yourself up for any disappointment. Even with 3 months of successful POIS treatment, I still feel that I'm not yet ready to declare my "longterm cure". There are several reasons for caution, including the placebo effect, and also, in some treatments of any kind, the medicine simply stops working because the body adjusts to it. Also, we don't know other factors that may be at play at the particular time we're experimenting.

We are doing amazing things, but keep in mind that it's on a shoestring budget, without medical testing facilities, personnel etc., that other disorders may have - and even then taking years to find successful treatments.

I sincerely hope that "this is it" for you and that none of my concerns are true for you. But I just want to share my experience so that you don't go through the same ordeal. If you don't manage it the disappointment can be severe. I came crashing down disappointedly several times when I thought I had "the cure" - - and then I didn't. Once with my very first testosterone injection. Levitra was another example: for over 9 months I thought I was doing extremely well, then it stopped working. Looking back, I think it was because in the early months I had testosterone injections and didn't give any credit to that, thinking instead it was the Levitra.

Best wishes Ambient! Please keep reporting.
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« Reply #4383 on: 20/05/2009 20:23:45 »

It sounds like he is taking you seriously, which is good.  Contrast might be useful for your pituitary MRI.


CP. thanks for reminding. Yes, Rocky, mine was done with and without contrast.

Rocky, congratulations on your major steps!!
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« Reply #4384 on: 20/05/2009 21:43:54 »
To those interested in getting scans, I would recommend MRI over CT.  So long as you don't have any metal in your body, and fit various other scanning criteria, MRI is harmless (as far as I know).  There's a fair bit of radiation with CT.
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« Reply #4385 on: 21/05/2009 01:54:13 »
Hey everyone, things seem to be going really well here in general, which is good. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow, does anyone have any additional tips or suggestions, any important information or bloodtests that I should have prepared?

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« Reply #4386 on: 21/05/2009 03:22:30 »

To those interested in getting scans, I would recommend MRI over CT.  So long as you don't have any metal in your body, and fit various other scanning criteria, MRI is harmless (as far as I know).  There's a fair bit of radiation with CT.


CP, how does that differ from fMRI?

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« Reply #4387 on: 21/05/2009 03:26:45 »

Hey everyone, things seem to be going really well here in general, which is good. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow, does anyone have any additional tips or suggestions, any important information or bloodtests that I should have prepared?


Dean, these are the bloodtests I took, which changed my life by revealing my hormonal deficiences:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg253144#msg253144

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« Reply #4388 on: 21/05/2009 04:47:42 »

To those interested in getting scans, I would recommend MRI over CT.  So long as you don't have any metal in your body, and fit various other scanning criteria, MRI is harmless (as far as I know).  There's a fair bit of radiation with CT.


CP, how does that differ from fMRI?

MRI (and CT) are used to see bone and tissue.  MRI uses a magnetic field, and radio waves, to make pictures.  It is loud, and usually takes longer than CT, but it does not expose you to ionizing radiation (a CT can give you the same amount of radiation as about 500 chest x-rays), and MRI pictures are usually much HIGHER quality than CT.

In my opinion, MRI should almost completely replace CT.  It is better quality, and has very little risk.


fMRI (functional MRI) is a special type of MRI to see activity -- for example, metabolic activity in the brain.  It is more experimental, and usually the only way you'll get an fMRI scan (at least right now), is in a research setting.  An fMRI, for instance, could be used to measure the neurological activity that correlates to orgasm. It could therefore differentiate between the POIS and "normal" neurological response.


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« Reply #4389 on: 21/05/2009 19:51:38 »
Thank you demografx. I'll do my best to work them into the conversation.

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« Reply #4390 on: 21/05/2009 23:51:39 »

An fMRI, for instance, could be used to measure the neurological activity that correlates to orgasm. It could therefore differentiate between the POIS and "normal" neurological response.


Fascinating!! Too bad it's out of reach for us.

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« Reply #4391 on: 22/05/2009 00:35:39 »
Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French

I just deleted a long post of mine, initially excited when I saw #1 Google results by searching on several words from Pronobis' and Martin's posts in French.

But I then thought that maybe the search engine in France might work differently from ours. So I searched again, this time using Google.fr (Google France) and then...everything was turned upside down. I couldn't find the posts even in the first 3 pages of results!

I tried Google.fr once again, this time adding "POIS" to Pronobis' and Martin's words. Sure enough, we came up #1. But that's cheating[:)] So...I guess we have more work to do to figure this out!
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« Reply #4392 on: 22/05/2009 03:59:32 »
I went to the doctor's office today, where I discussed my symptoms with her. I didn't bring anything about orgasm into the discussion. She suggested ADHD  , depression, and other things, but ultimately she said that it was either one of two things: 1) I had repressed issues hat were causing my symptoms or 2) the was a chemical imbalance in my brain, which was what I wanted to hear. She order that bloodwork be done, which I am going in for next week. To be fair though, as she said, she referred me and my mother/family to a counselor. I honestly don't think hat this will help, so in the best case scenario, my bloodwork will come back with "something wrong with me", and that won't even be an issue.

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« Reply #4393 on: 22/05/2009 21:24:09 »
Hey guys.  Anybody wake up with excess "white stuff" in your mouth? I just realized I have candida and that is the main cause of my brain fog, it can cause hypoglycemia and a range of other symptoms.  Right now I am taking acidophilus, and eating non sugar/carbohydrate foods.  I believe this relates to pois somehow, maybe if some of you guys have candida.

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« Reply #4394 on: 23/05/2009 01:54:43 »

I went to the doctor's office today, where I discussed my symptoms with her. I didn't bring anything about orgasm into the discussion. She suggested ADHD  , depression, and other things, but ultimately she said that it was either one of two things: 1) I had repressed issues hat were causing my symptoms or 2) the was a chemical imbalance in my brain, which was what I wanted to hear. She order that bloodwork be done, which I am going in for next week. To be fair though, as she said, she referred me and my mother/family to a counselor. I honestly don't think hat this will help, so in the best case scenario, my bloodwork will come back with "something wrong with me", and that won't even be an issue.


Congratulations, Dean. You did great!

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« Reply #4395 on: 23/05/2009 04:42:22 »
Thank you, Demografx! I'm hoping for the best. One thing I'm worried about though is that I'm not getting my blood tested until Tuesday, which would be  11 days after my NE. I feel better now than I have, and I'm worried that I'll feel a lot better come Tuesday. Not, of course because I don't want to feel good, but because I think it might affect my results. So, if I'm out, to whatever degree, or POIS, will it affect my test results? Will they still be able to see that something is wrong?

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« Reply #4396 on: 23/05/2009 05:26:03 »
Dean, I tested at about the same time as you. My testosterone deficiency still showed up, because it' a chronic problem, in or out of POIS. But there's no guarantee that in your case, something will show up. In any case, it's good to have a comparison of in vs. out. And it's a great start. Do you know which hormones are being tested?

Make sure to get a copy of the results. And it's very difficult for any of us here to advise you, but you might ask yourself if you'd be better off, at some point, bringing up POIS. To get re-tested right after your next NE, it might be the only way to go. You can tell them you've been truthful about symptoms, but somewhat nervous about POIS, because of the sexual aspect and also because you know it's rare and under-researched. Besides, if something important is revealed in-POIS/right after NE, it proves your research and opinion, and is hardly something they can ignore.

Anyone else with thoughts, ideas, comments?

Best wishes!
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« Reply #4397 on: 23/05/2009 14:21:52 »
Well, I have my fingers crossed for the first set of tests. But if that doesn't work out, I don't think I'll have any problems talking to to my doctor about retesting/POIS, she is a very nice and understanding woman, so that I am surprisingly not worried about.

I'll also be sure to ask her about the hormones tested and ask for a copy of the results.
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« Reply #4398 on: 24/05/2009 01:09:22 »
Dean, that was great to read, that you two have a good rapport and that you're confident about re-test!

Also glad to see this site back up and running after some tech probs!


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« Reply #4399 on: 24/05/2009 04:04:19 »
Hi everybody,

My great respect for your hopeful job. I haven't done anything since my acquiantance of POIS. I suppose, the first thing that I should do is, like Demografx said, to test my testosterone.
Last times I work in the night I sleep very little, besides I don't eat well and I don't do a sex. My problems are persisting. It can be said that stress is similar to sex and has same POIS effects.
Before going to doctor and speak to him I decided to share with my friends (a litlle test). They think that our forum is not a serious thing and I am not obliged to believe. So, I am afraid that my doctor will say the same.