Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4450 on: 31/05/2009 06:22:32 »
Botbot, very admirable, you must have incredible determination to be able to force yourself to run in spite of the exhaustion, both mental and physical.

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« Reply #4451 on: 31/05/2009 17:50:23 »
When i think irritabilty, little little things infuriate but those same things will never be a problem when am normal.

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« Reply #4452 on: 31/05/2009 19:24:58 »
Thanks Demo for ALL the letters you sent recently!
I hope this will give us something positive. We didn't have a lot of chance with letters in the past.  It seems that the "famous" people are too busy to help us. I remember that Dr Waldinger said he could give us some strategies to explain what we can do to attract researchers (or to improve our condition, I don't remember exactly). It would have been great to have this from him.

Hi Botbot, I simply can't run 40 minutes in pois ! Except perhaps if I force myself but I'll suffer the consequences after this. I tried in the past and the maximum was 20 minutes. To give you a tip (you asked), when I'm in pois I have the tendency to stop moving. If you can avoid this as much as possible, not necessarily with the heavy exercise you mentionned, it will help a lot. Weight lifting has also been reported and it's true for me too. If you fill the questionnaire you'll also find some other tips from other people. Exercise, garlic, relora, protein diet, iodine, multivitamins, phosphatidylserine, treatment for hypothyroidism, DHEA, fenugreek, 5-HTP, SSRIs, testosterone,  ... and others were mentionned. If you search for these terms in our forum you'll find some possible side effects for these treatments.
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« Reply #4453 on: 31/05/2009 20:27:14 »

demographx good job,
I love the way you are broadcasting it.
I think it is time for you to check other hormones other than testerone, you might something else low. may be neurotransmitters.


Thanks a lot, CC!

I did do a fairly extensive hormonal workup (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg253144#msg253144), testosterone simply looked like the culprit, everything else was ok except prolactin, which puzzled the endo, led to an MRI of the brain (pituitary) but so far hasn't yielded any POIS suspicion (but who knows?).

You might be right about neurotransmitters. Gee, I haven't even solved the high-prolactin problem! Finding a cure can be as exhausting as POIS itself! [;D]

Thanks again for the support, CC!

ps - I thought I'd be "cured" today, but I still do have a bit of a POIS hangover. I hope it's the frequency lately and that the testosterone hasn't stopped working its magic!!

Next round(s) will tell!

I think the severity of symptoms, and even the presence of symptoms at all, has a lot more to do with the specific ejaculation, than most seem willing to consider.  As I've noted earlier, while symptomatic, an ejaculation can actually alleviate my symptoms, on occasion.  Also, the severity of symptoms does seem to vary depending, I think, on the ejaculation.

Others have mentioned this, (one sent me a PM about it), but I think most people have implicitly suggested this, in their posts.  It's just that instead of thinking it has anything to do with the nature of the ejaculation, it's more "didn't get enough sleep, frequency has been too high recently, didn't eat enough, ate too much, didn't have this vitamin," etc.  All of this is possible.  But it's also quite possible that the physiological response to orgasm varies, for other more subtle reasons.  Guthrie posted a fairly convincing reason for this.  (e.g. one orgasm causes over-activation, which the body in turn, over-suppresses, allowing a subsequent orgasm to compensate for this, by causing normal "activation", which is followed by normal "suppression").  Another explanation could be that, for instance, there is a % chance a pituitary, adrenal, or other abnormality is activated.  However, sometimes this activation won't occur.

Even if something like testosterone helps, there could still be some underlying cause that is being activated to different degrees, based on a particular response to a particular ejaculation.
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« Reply #4454 on: 01/06/2009 00:47:58 »
WHO Update

Thanks again, Pronobis, Martin and Counterpoints and everyone else who contributed! This email went to WHO today. Hopefully, we will get a reply.



From:  (demo personal email)
To:     WHO (World Health Organization)
Sent:   5/30/2009 11:04:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj:   Seeking help for our medical condition


Dear WHO,

We are writing to inform you about a serious new medical condition,....................

Great job Demo, I follow all you do here, even if I have nothing to add, I will keep you in touch about my endocrinologist (?) rendez vous.

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« Reply #4455 on: 01/06/2009 01:18:04 »

Great job Demo, I follow all you do here, even if I have nothing to add.


Thanks, Pronobis, but Martin and Counterpoints deserve most of the credit for the WHO letter itself. I was just a catalyst who instigated and helped facilitate things (after you yourself initiated the idea!) and pestered people to move as quickly as possible! [:D]


I will keep you in touch about my endocrinologist (?) rendez vous.


Excellent! We are all looking forward to hearing your progress!

Pronobis, don't forget the suggestion to show your endocrinologist Waldinger's paper. Also, point out that the study co-author is also an endocrinologist. Just send your regular email addresss by Private Message to me or to Pyropeach and we'll email you the paper. (Waldinger's study can only be sent via regular email, not forum Private Message)
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« Reply #4456 on: 01/06/2009 01:33:37 »

I think the severity of symptoms, and even the presence of symptoms at all, has a lot more to do with the specific ejaculation, than most seem willing to consider.  As I've noted earlier, while symptomatic, an ejaculation can actually alleviate my symptoms, on occasion.  Also, the severity of symptoms does seem to vary depending, I think, on the ejaculation.

Others have mentioned this, (one sent me a PM about it), but I think most people have implicitly suggested this, in their posts.  It's just that instead of thinking it has anything to do with the nature of the ejaculation, it's more "didn't get enough sleep, frequency has been too high recently, didn't eat enough, ate too much, didn't have this vitamin," etc.  All of this is possible.  But it's also quite possible that the physiological response to orgasm varies, for other more subtle reasons.  Guthrie posted a fairly convincing reason for this.  (e.g. one orgasm causes over-activation, which the body in turn, over-suppresses, allowing a subsequent orgasm to compensate for this, by causing normal "activation", which is followed by normal "suppression").  Another explanation could be that, for instance, there is a % chance a pituitary, adrenal, or other abnormality is activated.  However, sometimes this activation won't occur.

Even if something like testosterone helps, there could still be some underlying cause that is being activated to different degrees, based on a particular response to a particular ejaculation.


That's fascinating, CP! And very hopeful news! When you say varying POIS effects are due to "the specific ejaculation" I wonder if that could also include the sufferer's particular goings on at the time. For example, there was a very significant addition of stress for me this last time. Couldn't that trigger a "different physiological response" as you surmise?

The added-stress factor has been playing on my mind a lot as a reason for my most disappointing POIS episode since starting treatment!

And your theory that testosterone might not be the whole picture, I'm starting to believe is right...even though I don't want to believe it! [:)]
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« Reply #4457 on: 01/06/2009 01:46:40 »
CP, you may be interested to know that I did my last blood test (last week) symptomatic. So now I will have in-POIS and out-of-POIS comparisons.

To everyone: CP convinced me and others here that in-POIS tests are the best way to start, followed by out-of-POIS comparison.

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« Reply #4458 on: 01/06/2009 06:44:46 »

I think the severity of symptoms, and even the presence of symptoms at all, has a lot more to do with the specific ejaculation, than most seem willing to consider.  As I've noted earlier, while symptomatic, an ejaculation can actually alleviate my symptoms, on occasion.  Also, the severity of symptoms does seem to vary depending, I think, on the ejaculation.

Others have mentioned this, (one sent me a PM about it), but I think most people have implicitly suggested this, in their posts.  It's just that instead of thinking it has anything to do with the nature of the ejaculation, it's more "didn't get enough sleep, frequency has been too high recently, didn't eat enough, ate too much, didn't have this vitamin," etc.  All of this is possible.  But it's also quite possible that the physiological response to orgasm varies, for other more subtle reasons.  Guthrie posted a fairly convincing reason for this.  (e.g. one orgasm causes over-activation, which the body in turn, over-suppresses, allowing a subsequent orgasm to compensate for this, by causing normal "activation", which is followed by normal "suppression").  Another explanation could be that, for instance, there is a % chance a pituitary, adrenal, or other abnormality is activated.  However, sometimes this activation won't occur.

Even if something like testosterone helps, there could still be some underlying cause that is being activated to different degrees, based on a particular response to a particular ejaculation.


That's fascinating, CP! And very hopeful news! When you say varying POIS effects are due to "the specific ejaculation" I wonder if that could also include the sufferer's particular goings on at the time. For example, there was a very significant addition of stress for me this last time. Couldn't that trigger a "different physiological response" as you surmise?

The added-stress factor has been playing on my mind a lot as a reason for my most disappointing POIS episode since starting treatment!

And your theory that testosterone might not be the whole picture, I'm starting to believe is right...even though I don't want to believe it! [:)]

Stress could make a difference.  It's hard to say.  It seems the severity of POIS following a given ejaculation varies from time to time, for many of us.  However, these changes have often been attributed to external factors -- sleep, supplements, frequency, etc. (By me, you, and others).  These could definitely have an effect.  However, I'm wondering if there is something more internal that is happening.  In other words, I wonder if we were to keep all of these other factors constant -- sleep, frequency, etc. -- whether the severity of POIS will still vary from ejaculation to ejaculation.

This is definitely the case for me. 
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« Reply #4459 on: 01/06/2009 06:46:17 »
CP, you may be interested to know that I did my last blood test (last week) symptomatic. So now I will have in-POIS and out-of-POIS comparisons.

To everyone: CP convinced me and others here that in-POIS tests are the best way to start, followed by out-of-POIS comparison.

Good luck! I can't promise there will be a difference, but I hope this may give some additional information.

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« Reply #4460 on: 01/06/2009 09:17:59 »
CP, thanks for clarifying that it's strictly internal factors you're wondering about. In your case, have you speculated what those internal variables could be?

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« Reply #4461 on: 01/06/2009 09:20:46 »
B_Jim, who else (POIS-types) do you think could benefit from magnesium?

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« Reply #4462 on: 01/06/2009 14:28:22 »
Vitamin D and magnesium regulation is complex.
So it's another argument to not abuse Vitamin D supplement. We need a normal level of vitamin D, not more.
Interesting B_Jim. From what I feel personally I think it's the same for a lot of nutritional supplements. and that's why I prefer low doses.

Here a study confirming what you're saying about vit D, and showing a link between  vitamin D depletion and testicular function/size :

The effect of vitamin D-repletion on testicular function in vitamin D-deficient male rats was also reported (10). This study has clearly shown that reduced reproductive capacity and fertility due to disturbances in Sertoli and Leydig cell functions in vitamin D deficient male rats is reversed by administration of  an optimal dose of vitamin D. However, a high dose of vitamin D administration, in this study, deteriorated the testicular function in vitamin D-deficient male rats.

In conclusion, Vitamin D is necessary for testicular functions, such as spermatogenesis, in chickens and rats. Development of the seminiferous tubules of vitamin D-depleted chickens was impaired, and normal histological appearance of the seminiferous tubules was destroyed. Further research at the molecular level are needed to reveal the exact effects of vitamin D-depletion in chicken testes.

http://www.isrvma.org/article/57_3_3.htm

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« Reply #4463 on: 01/06/2009 14:43:09 »
An other interesting study saying that a low dose supplement of vitamin A (with iron)is as efficient as testosterone therapy for delayed puberty and testicular function:

Supplements of iron and vitamin A are as effective as androgen for constitutional delayed growth and puberty (CDGP), according to the results of a randomized study published in the June issue of Clinical Endocrinology.

After six months of vitamin A supplementation, growth acceleration was similar to that seen in the oxandrolone- and testosterone-treated children and significantly greater than in the observation group. In the vitamin A-supplemented group, puberty, defined as an increase in testicular volume of 12 mL, was induced within 12 months

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&cluster=4304803166635927309&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=X9kjSvaXI5ThtgfLq7y0Bg&sa=X&oi=science_links&resnum=1&ct=sl-allversions


And an other similar for vitamin K :
Vitamin K deficiency reduces testosterone production in the testis through down-regulation of the Cyp11a a cholesterol side chain cleavage enzyme in rats

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1W-4K48KGD-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=90e4d2e00b06dec85fea4b516ea4749d

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« Reply #4464 on: 01/06/2009 20:45:14 »
Magnesium definitely reduces my Pois symptoms.

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Vitamin D and Mg .

Vitamin D increases mg intestinal absobtion especially when there is a deficiency.
but
Excessive Vitamin D increases urinary mg excretion.

Vitamin D and magnesium regulation is complex.
So it's another argument to not abuse Vitamin D supplement. We need a normal level of vitamin D, not more.

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I tried magnesium (my doctor prescribed me to avoid the fatigue), I didn't feel any difference. May be because I took it only 1 week.

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« Reply #4465 on: 02/06/2009 05:41:42 »
Hello everyone,

This is my first post. I found this forum a few days ago by googling something like "I can't concentrate after orgasm" or "exhausted after orgasm". I can't remember which one it was, but either way, I'm very excited to know I'm not alone. I must start with an apology for not reading all of your posts before posting. I read about 24 pages and then skipped to the end, so if I ask or say something that's already been covered, forgive me.

Here is my story.

I think this may have started when I was a teenager, or maybe earlier. I'm not really sure. I always had a hard time concentrating and staying awake in school, even in grade school, but things got much worse as I became a teenager. Basically, I started masturbating a lot in high school. I did it so much that it became my escape from reality. It was like crack to me.(Can over masturbation cause problems?) I also smoked a lot of pot around this time and I started having bad panic attacks. My doctor put me on Paxil for several years to treat the panic attacks, and it did work, but I felt like a robot with no emotion. I just couldn't deal with that. I am now in my early thirties, and I just figured out that I have a POIS problem. I can't believe it took me this long to figure it out! What a joke!

Anyway, my symptoms are the following: (and they can last up to 3 days)
1. Extreme exhaustion (to the point that it can be difficult to climb three flights of stairs!)
2. Brain FOG!!! (I'm mentally useless)
3. anxious, nervous and irritable
4. I've also been noticing slight indigestion lately, but it may just be a coincidence.

I don't take any drugs (other than an occasional beer and an occasional cigarette)
My diet is kind of crappy (not enough vegetables, fruit, or water)
I'm quite a bit under weight (I'm 6ft tall 142lbs)
I'm a sex addict (it is my drug of choice)
I feel like crap after any form of ejaculation (whether it be sex, masturbation, or a wet dream) though sometimes my POIS symptoms only last about 1.5 days.
I strongly believe in Jesus Christ, but I was not raised by strict religous parents.

Here are some questions I would love for you to answer

1. Are you underweight or overweight?
2. Do you suffer from anxiety attacks?
3. Do you have low self esteem issues?
4. Do you suffer from bouts of severe depression?
5. Do you, or have you, taken antidepressants or other antipsychotic drugs? And if so, how long did you take them?
6. Do you eat healthy?
7. Do you exercise?
8. Do you hit REM sleep on a regular basis?
9. Do you have issues with sex (are you a sex addict? Do you think about sex all the time? Is sex one of the main focuses of your life?)
9. Are you religious?

More than anything else, I would like to know how many of you take or have taken antidepressants or antipaychotic drugs.
Could POIS be a result of these drugs???

Again, I'm sorry if much of this has already been covered. I just couldn't make it through all 191 pages.

Let's figure this out!!!
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« Reply #4466 on: 02/06/2009 11:01:47 »
POIS Update,
 I have had some more success, and I believe it is due to Relora. Last week I had two orgasms a day apart and I have had no symptoms since then. In the days following each one I consumed some Relora (and garlic as well).  I waited a week to post because I often have the “Phase B” that hits later on (a burnt out feeling), but nothing yet.  Last night I had an NE and this morning I took ˝ a capsule of Relora. We’ll see what happens.

Beyondfrustrated,
Welcome,  I am glad you found us.  I will answer your questions as if it was many years ago in the depths of my POIS (when I was more sexually active), and also from today’s perspective.

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1. Are you underweight or overweight?
2. Do you suffer from anxiety attacks?
3. Do you have low self esteem issues?
4. Do you suffer from bouts of severe depression?
5. Do you, or have you, taken antidepressants or other antipsychotic drugs? And if so, how long did you take them?
6. Do you eat healthy?
7. Do you exercise?
8. Do you hit REM sleep on a regular basis?
9. Do you have issues with sex (are you a sex addict? Do you think about sex all the time? Is sex one of the main focuses of your life?)
9. Are you religious?

1.   No/Same
2.   In POIS I have high anxiety/ Same
3.   Perhaps yes, due to awareness of a my secret truth (POIS)/ Same
4.   No/ Same
5.   Very limited pot in my youth after POIS began/ Took SSRI’s (neither causal to POIS)
6.   So-so/ Yes
7.   No /Yes
8.   Yes/ Have sleep issues, so I guess not always
9.   Yes/ No
9.   No/Yes

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« Reply #4467 on: 02/06/2009 17:07:24 »
beyondfrustrated, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!



The consensus at this forum to heal your POIS, is to start with hormonal bloodtesting, preferably with an endocrinologist.
 
Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send "Pyropeach" a Private Message with your regular email address and he'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around the recipient's name, e.g., "pyropeach".

New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse


In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. In other words, "IT'S NOT ALL IN OUR HEADS!"

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
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« Reply #4468 on: 02/06/2009 17:14:45 »

POIS Update,

 I have had some more success, and I believe it is due to Relora.


John, so happy to hear that!








John gets special congratulations, because without John having posted the very first post here two years ago, this forum wouldn't be here! AND...he stayed to contribute more and more!
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« Reply #4469 on: 02/06/2009 17:28:44 »

1. Are you underweight or overweight? SOME OF THE LATTER
2. Do you suffer from anxiety attacks? NO, BUT HIGH ANXIETY NOW AND THEN
3. Do you have low self esteem issues? SOMETIMES
4. Do you suffer from bouts of severe depression? NO LONGER, WITH MEDS
5. Do you, or have you, taken antidepressants or other antipsychotic drugs? And if so, how long did you take them? YES, ANTI-D's FOR 20 YEARS
6. Do you eat healthy? MOSTLY, BUT ALSO SOME SWEETS
7. Do you exercise? UNFORTUNATELY, VERY LITTLE
8. Do you hit REM sleep on a regular basis? YES
9. Do you have issues with sex (are you a sex addict? Do you think about sex all the time? Is sex one of the main focuses of your life?) INTERMITTENTLY AND INFREQUENTLY
9. Are you religious? NO


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« Reply #4470 on: 02/06/2009 20:09:12 »

1. Are you underweight or overweight? I weaken and lose weight with POIS
2. Do you suffer from anxiety attacks? a little
3. Do you have low self esteem issues? a little
4. Do you suffer from bouts of severe depression? no
5. Do you, or have you, taken antidepressants or other antipsychotic drugs? And if so, how long did you take them? no
6. Do you eat healthy? Like student does ... so no ))
7. Do you exercise? not now, but same with when I was doing
8. Do you hit REM sleep on a regular basis? Never had a sleep problem
9. Do you have issues with sex (are you a sex addict? Do you think about sex all the time? Is sex one of the main focuses of your life?) I am very excited and sex addict
9. Are you religious? No


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« Reply #4471 on: 03/06/2009 06:27:57 »
Martin, I think you made the suggestion recently that in-POIS, it's better to keep moving in spite of our natural desire to rest and be relatively motionless.

I saw this today so well! The endocrinologist appointment "pushed" me out of the house. When I was out, I pushed myself to do some more minor errands, and with the nice weather (sunshine, perfect temperature for me, etc.) it felt good!

But once home, it was so difficult to avoid couchpotatoness (I just fabricated that word) - i.e., the couch.

Terrific meeting with my endo today. Will write more later.

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« Reply #4472 on: 03/06/2009 21:27:58 »
Thanks for your reply guys!

demografx,
I will definitely check out those resources when I have some free time. Thanks!

I'm on day 3 today and I'm feeling mentally and physically sharp! If only I could feel this good on day 1!!!!
:(

I think I'm going to try getting more sleep, eating better, and maybe I'll try a few herbal supplements such as Saint Johns Wort. I have a feeling it may help a little. Any of you guys try this?

I did recently notice that when I keep busy my POIS symtoms seem to dissipate a little. It makes me wonder if some of my POIS symtoms may be mental. I definitely think it's more chemical than anything but it's hard to say.

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« Reply #4473 on: 04/06/2009 00:56:39 »
Martin, I think you made the suggestion recently that in-POIS, it's better to keep moving in spite of our natural desire to rest and be relatively motionless.

I saw this today so well! The endocrinologist appointment "pushed" me out of the house. When I was out, I pushed myself to do some more minor errands, and with the nice weather (sunshine, perfect temperature for me, etc.) it felt good!

But once home, it was so difficult to avoid couchpotatoness (I just fabricated that word) - i.e., the couch.

Terrific meeting with my endo today. Will write more later.
Unfortunately moving is definitely not a 100% cure. But it helps.

I'm looking forward to read your post about your endo!

1. Are you underweight or overweight?I'd say underweight but normal according to this http://apps.who.int/bmi/index.jsp?introPage=intro_3.html
2. Do you suffer from anxiety attacks? yes
3. Do you have low self esteem issues?yes
4. Do you suffer from bouts of severe depression?yes
5. Do you, or have you, taken antidepressants or other antipsychotic drugs? And if so, how long did you take them? no
6. Do you eat healthy?yes
7. Do you exercise?yes but no cardio
8. Do you hit REM sleep on a regular basis? Maybe no.I don't know.
9. Do you have issues with sex (are you a sex addict? Do you think about sex all the time? Is sex one of the main focuses of your life?) sometimes
9. Are you religious? yes & no
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« Reply #4474 on: 04/06/2009 01:27:53 »
I tried magnesium (my doctor prescribed me to avoid the fatigue), I didn't feel any difference. May be because I took it only 1 week.

Hi Pronobis, magnesium has no effect for me too but when I was younger it was very helpful for pois. I suppose that I'm not using it like before, I don't know why.
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« Reply #4475 on: 04/06/2009 03:54:13 »
Update - Endocrinologist visit

Yesterday we did a 3 month review of my progress, with lab results mostly ready from in-POIS testing last week. I was pleasantly surprised when the endo showed much greater interest in POIS this time!

Total testosterone and free testosterone increased significantly since March, which was good news because if free and total T hadn't increased by now, he was ready to switch me to a pump gel, and I was already comfortable with the T-patches.

Free T went from 1.45% to 1.64%. 1.5% is the lower end of the reference range and that satisfied him enough to not recommend switching to gel. Total testosterone went from 255 to 487, the norm being 250 - 1100 (ng/dL).

T4 (thyroid) was normal. All the tests combined gave the endo a feeling that the pituitary was working as it should.

There was a lab mixup, so prolactin was not ordered. I will be re-tested in August. He doesn't seem concerned at all about the very high readings from before (once the followup pituitary/brain scan revealed nothing of concern to him).

We discussed POIS and I said that most times, it feels like a 90% POIS cure, within certain frequency limits. Outside those limits it can drop to 70%. We discussed last week's high-POIS episode and the associated trauma I was experiencing about another situation, and he agreed that the added stress I experienced could have thrown the endocrine system out of balance, leading to high POIS. But since that anomaly, things are now back to "high performance", after 2 more "tests" [:)].

I suppose I shouldn't have to worry about frequency, but that's not a huge price to pay to have a life that I can reasonably expect to be a mostly POIS-free existence without resorting to celibacy, which I never succeeded at.

He added some more tests this time, including a basic metabolic panel (sodium, potassium, chloride, etc.), and PSA. PSA is necessary with testosterone treatment to see if prostate problems, including cancer can be detected. It was normal. Along with PSA, a digital rectal exam is necessary, but I had already done that with a urologist in January, so I'm "free" for the remainder of the year from that!

Glucose was high, potentially pre-diabetic. So B_Jim was right [:)], I need to cut back on sweets dramatically.

Hemoglobin A1C was at the high end of the reference range, possibly also relating to pre-diabetes? Creatinine (kidney function) was slightly high, possibly from red meat in his opinion. But I don't eat much red meat, so we'll keep an eye on that.

I wrote him an email after the visit, saying that he basically helped change my life, not just because of the successful diagnosis and treatment, but for validating my POIS condition, which I never before experienced, especially by someone with a very high status in the medical and academic community. Plus his attitude. (Respect, partnership and humor).

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« Reply #4476 on: 04/06/2009 04:12:35 »

I did recently notice that when I keep busy my POIS symtoms seem to dissipate a little. It makes me wonder if some of my POIS symtoms may be mental. I definitely think it's more chemical than anything but it's hard to say.


I think most of us felt that way early in studying our POIS patterns, but eventually came to believe that it's almost entirely "chemical".

Any one else have a thought about that?

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« Reply #4477 on: 04/06/2009 18:42:23 »

demografx,

I will definitely check out those resources when I have some free time. Thanks!


beyondfrustrated, I just sent you Waldinger paper via your regular email, please let me know that you received it.
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« Reply #4478 on: 04/06/2009 20:48:59 »

Pronobis : You should take magnesium at least 3-4 weeks to have an improvement.

Demo : If your glucose is high on an empty stomach,you should try to eat healthy during 1 or 2 months. From my experience eat fruit instead of sugar and more vegetables/less raffeined starch is enough to improve. Caffeine is probably a bad friend too...
But your tests are good anyway : testoterone in progress, T4... That's a good job :)
I consider Pois at least 90% chemical. Doctors definitly under-estimate physical stressors like sugar abuse and artificial lights and of course under-estimate effect of orgasm on hormonal/neurotransmitters balance.
 

B_Jim, do you think I should try magnesium? I started to cut back sugar. I've cut back caffeine. But I can't quit 100%!!!

I wasted so much time treating POIS as psychological!

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« Reply #4479 on: 05/06/2009 03:47:17 »
Demo,
Very nice for your balanced T and PSA blood test.
For glucose I think your best card along with good diet is exercise. See this page : http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/exercise-guidelines

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« Reply #4480 on: 05/06/2009 04:59:05 »

Demo,

Very nice for your balanced T and PSA blood test.
For glucose I think your best card along with good diet is exercise. See this page : http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/exercise-guidelines


Thanks, Martin, my wife and doctors have been pushing that for many, many years. Decades. I'm stubborn, it even took me a couple years here at the forum before I would see an endocrinologist!

But I finally did see the endo, so who knows? I've had sporadic excercise attempts over the years, some lasting for years, even working out strenuously for 18 months in the same gym as Arnold Schwarzenegger and other world class bodybuilders. One problem I have is that when I work out or do cardio, my system reacts as if someone had dumped a gallon of caffeine down my throat. My doctor and others believe me, but it's the very opposite of the good reaction people usually get with endorphins. So my only alternative is to work out without reaching "optimum cardio level"....and that is very boring.

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« Reply #4481 on: 05/06/2009 07:04:19 »
Hi everyone!

I have been checking this thread almost daily for any new information but I finally decided to post.  While I admit I haven't read all 192 pages, I was wondering if I could learn something new by describing my symptoms after orgasm.

- Severe agitation and irritability for almost 24 hours after orgasm
- Light-headedness for the duration of the agitation (possibly less)
- Muscle weakness after the agitation is gone (e.g. Physical Therapy grip strength tests have me at    7-9lbs while in the weakened state, and 80-90 when not, but it's not just my grip, all my muscles are affected)
- The weakness seems to be accompanied by "brain fog"

After 2-3 weeks I will regain the muscle strength every time unless I masturbate within the 2-3 week "recovery time" which from past experience causes the weakness to continue for another few weeks.  Nocturnal emission does not trigger any of the above symptoms.

All of this started when I was around 13; I'm 20 years old now.  Until last year I did not make this correlation.  I'm waiting to see an endo but I've met with one before and nothing unusual was found from the blood tests.  My diet is healthy, I eat organic food, avoid sweets, and drink plenty of water.  I eat frequent small meals to keep my blood sugar stable.

Thank you for your time.

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« Reply #4482 on: 05/06/2009 08:14:02 »
David_S, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




David, many thanks for posting. we look forward to hearing more of your experiences in your next post. It's very interesting that you escape POIS when having an NE!  (Did I read that correctly?) Also interesting that the last endo's bloodtesting revealed normalcy.

I'm very sorry to hear of the extended recovery time but I hope that at least it gets better every day in that 2-3 week period!

Can you say which categories were tested in your last blood tests? Here's what I tested:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg253144#msg253144
In my particular case, free testosterone was low and I was put on testosterone patches. The patches have effected a dramatic cure (sometimes 70%, but mostly 90% cured per episode). You might want to check the previous posts to see what others have tested for. Here's a way to get started:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hormones+tested+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


It's great that you're seeing an endo once again! We have to keep fighting. Try to take your first test while you're in-POIS. Then follow that up with out-of-POIS so you'll have a comparison of symptomatic and nonsymptomatic times.

 

Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
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« Reply #4483 on: 05/06/2009 18:31:45 »
Thank you for replying.  Unfortunately I can't remember everything that they tested in the earlier endo visit, I just recall nothing being abnormal.

To clarify, an NE does not stop my POIS.  I saw some earlier posts say they got symptoms after an NE as well as orgasm but mine seems to be orgasm only.  For some reason my muscle weakness etc doesn't gradually improve over time but after the 2-3 weeks all my strength returns in an instant.

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« Reply #4484 on: 05/06/2009 21:02:28 »
Pronobis : You should take magnesium at least 3-4 weeks to have an improvement.

Thanx, then I shoud take it regularly, all my life? It's not an irony, but I'd like to know, what will it change?

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« Reply #4485 on: 05/06/2009 23:56:34 »
DOPAMINE RECEPTORS

Several people here have already reported a form of attention deficit.
It would be interesting to test us (maybe costly tests) for this genetic problem linked with dopamine receptors :
It would be nice to find a pois gene!

Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder
Dopamine receptors have been recognized as important components in the etiology of ADHD for many years. Drugs used to treat ADHD, including methylphenidate and amphetamine, have significant effects on dopamine signaling in the brain. Studies of gene association have implicated several genes within dopamine signaling pathways; in particular, the D4.7 variant of D4 has been consistently shown to be more frequent in ADHD patients.[16] ADHD patients with the 4.7 allele also tend to have better cognitive performance and long-term outcomes compared to ADHD patients without the 4.7 allele, suggesting that the allele is associated with a more benign form of ADHD.[16]
The D4.7 allele has suppressed gene expression compared to other variants.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_receptor

From the same link above, in the paragraph "Dopamine regulation" it is said that a sharp decreases in dopamine can upregulate the dopamine receptors, if I understand well :)  .
So  dopamine just before orgasm can eventually be too high causing our problems after orgasm. This could explain why fenugreek (which can decrease dopamine) can help pois. Sorry if all this has already been mentionned before.

It would be great to have a follow-up with all the medicines to treat pois (fenugreek,5htp,phosphatidylserine,etc), like Demo is reporting with his testosterone therapy, or John with Garlic. So we could see if there's a long term efficiency...

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« Reply #4486 on: 06/06/2009 00:49:37 »
Very possible Martin, although I think it is more than just dopamine.  I have tried methylphenidate.  On the first day, I had increased focus, but the POIS was still obvious in the background. Repeated attempts just made me feel spacey.

For me, and I think this is a really big clue, orgasm is like an "on" and "off" switch for these symptoms.  I suspect this is true for others as well. (It took me a fair amount of experimentation to figure this out).  To answer Demo's question, I'm not sure exactly why.  I think orgasm is activating some neurological or adrenal function, and it can also de-activate this function.

I think "hypersexuality" has been associated with adrenal adenomas, which could be another clue.
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« Reply #4487 on: 06/06/2009 01:02:19 »

DOPAMINE RECEPTORS

Several people here have already reported a form of attention deficit.
It would be interesting to test us (maybe costly tests) for this genetic problem linked with dopamine receptors :
It would be nice to find a pois gene!

Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder
Dopamine receptors have been recognized as important components in the etiology of ADHD for many years. Drugs used to treat ADHD, including methylphenidate and amphetamine, have significant effects on dopamine signaling in the brain. Studies of gene association have implicated several genes within dopamine signaling pathways; in particular, the D4.7 variant of D4 has been consistently shown to be more frequent in ADHD patients.[16] ADHD patients with the 4.7 allele also tend to have better cognitive performance and long-term outcomes compared to ADHD patients without the 4.7 allele, suggesting that the allele is associated with a more benign form of ADHD.[16]
The D4.7 allele has suppressed gene expression compared to other variants.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_receptor

From the same link above, in the paragraph "Dopamine regulation" it is said that a sharp decreases in dopamine can upregulate the dopamine receptors, if I understand well :)  .
So  dopamine just before orgasm can eventually be too high causing our problems after orgasm. This could explain why fenugreek (which can decrease dopamine) can help pois. Sorry if all this has already been mentionned before.

It would be great to have a follow-up with all the medicines to treat pois (fenugreek,5htp,phosphatidylserine,etc), like Demo is reporting with his testosterone therapy, or John with Garlic. So we could see if there's a long term efficiency...


Martin, I've had great success for three years now with Adderall XR (basically, extended release amphetamine salts) for (1) ADHD, and (2) depression. And (3) it's helped my POIS, too! No adverse longterm effects that I can see. It's been around over 50 years, so it has a lengthy study history. But it does have a potential for abuse in addictive personalities.
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« Reply #4488 on: 06/06/2009 01:31:25 »

Thank you for replying.  Unfortunately I can't remember everything that they tested in the earlier endo visit, I just recall nothing being abnormal.


It still might be useful to ask for a copy of the labwork (it's your right) just to see what you did/didn't test, and compare it to some of our experiences.


For some reason my muscle weakness etc doesn't gradually improve over time but after the 2-3 weeks all my strength returns in an instant.


Sorry to hear that you have to suffer so long with each episode. Hopefully a treatment will be found. At least you have an idea of what the muscle weakness is associated with.

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« Reply #4489 on: 06/06/2009 01:31:36 »
Martin, I've had great success for three years now with Adderall XR (basically, extended release amphetamine salts) for (1) ADHD, and (2) depression. And (3) it's helped my POIS, too! No adverse longterm effects that I can see. It's been around over 50 years, so it has a lengthy study history. But it does have a potential for abuse in addictive personalities.

Adderall was only introduced to the market in 1996.  Maybe you are thinking of a different amphetamine?

How much would you say Adderall decreases your POIS?

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« Reply #4490 on: 06/06/2009 01:33:37 »
Martin, I've had great success for three years now with Adderall XR (basically, extended release amphetamine salts) for (1) ADHD, and (2) depression. And (3) it's helped my POIS, too! No adverse longterm effects that I can see. It's been around over 50 years, so it has a lengthy study history. But it does have a potential for abuse in addictive personalities.

Adderall was only introduced to the market in 1996.  Maybe you are thinking of a different amphetamine?


Adderall is basically just amphetamine.


How much would you say Adderall decreases your POIS?


Very hard to pinpoint. So much has transpired these last 3 years with an interaction of variables, i.e., severe depression, anxiety, ADHD, POIS. I know that as I feel a mental boost out-of-POIS, I feel a twin "brain fog combatter" and exhaustion/fatigue fighter in-POIS.
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« Reply #4491 on: 06/06/2009 02:30:41 »
Sperm regeneration

In my case, I feel that POIS and sperm regeneration are somehow related, and an analogy that keeps coming to mind is that of an automobile and gas.

When the car's gas tank is "full", it runs well and goes far. When the sperm is in full supply, the "human car" is in good shape, too.

If either are depleted, the "cars" simply don't run well, or at all. POIS seems to be very much related to "gas" (sperm) depletion.

I have a comparison to my previous full-blown POIS experiences, without testosterone. In those experiences, I could, again, "feel" it take a long time to regenerate sperm once the supply is exhausted, weeks, sometimes months. With normal levels of testosterone flowing in my body, I can feel it ("filling up") happening in days.

I could be wrong, and I certainly have no empirical evidence to back it up, but it certainly feels that way.
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« Reply #4492 on: 06/06/2009 04:44:13 »
Martin, I've had great success for three years now with Adderall XR (basically, extended release amphetamine salts) for (1) ADHD, and (2) depression. And (3) it's helped my POIS, too! No adverse longterm effects that I can see. It's been around over 50 years, so it has a lengthy study history. But it does have a potential for abuse in addictive personalities.
Interesting. I remember you were helped by coffee too.
 
About the caffeine effect when you exercise I'm wondering if it could be this med Adderal which needs a dosage adjustment. Normally sport should have a calming effect!
But I heard that sport has also a psychostimulant effect like coffee.(noradrenaline ?)


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« Reply #4493 on: 06/06/2009 04:50:28 »
Very possible Martin, although I think it is more than just dopamine.  I have tried methylphenidate.  On the first day, I had increased focus, but the POIS was still obvious in the background. Repeated attempts just made me feel spacey.

For me, and I think this is a really big clue, orgasm is like an "on" and "off" switch for these symptoms.  I suspect this is true for others as well. (It took me a fair amount of experimentation to figure this out).  To answer Demo's question, I'm not sure exactly why.  I think orgasm is activating some neurological or adrenal function, and it can also de-activate this function.

I think "hypersexuality" has been associated with adrenal adenomas, which could be another clue.
Counterpoints,
Pois is complex for us, I'm just trying to find some new pieces (low budget!) of the puzzle. Possibly methylphenydate doesn't play on all dopamine receptors according to the link I posted, or there is something else..

(Other information from the same link:
Dopamine receptors are implicated in modulation of neuroendocrine signaling )

About the on and off switch :
For me the equation more orgasms = more fatigue, muscle weakness, anxiety and nervous weakness is ALWAYS true.
However rarely I could notice a temporary relief of depression after subsequent orgasms. Temporary is important. In fact I think this relief can be caused by increased nervous sensivity (weakness) to the pleasure of the orgasm.

Hypersexuality and a pituitary disorder is perhaps possible too. I was thinking about this when you talked about one NE every 3 days. It seems to me to be a lot (?).
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« Reply #4494 on: 06/06/2009 05:35:08 »
Martin, I've had great success for three years now with Adderall XR (basically, extended release amphetamine salts) for (1) ADHD, and (2) depression. And (3) it's helped my POIS, too! No adverse longterm effects that I can see. It's been around over 50 years, so it has a lengthy study history. But it does have a potential for abuse in addictive personalities.
Interesting. I remember you were helped by coffee too.
 
About the caffeine effect when you exercise I'm wondering if it could be this med Adderal which needs a dosage adjustment. Normally sport should have a calming effect!
But I heard that sport has also a psychostimulant effect like coffee.(noradrenaline ?)


In almost all my workout periods of any length, Adderall was never involved. But I was drinking coffee and sometimes taking ginseng. But even in periods when I was without any stimulant, I always had a hyper reaction to exercise. My wife doesn't believe me. [:D]

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« Reply #4495 on: 06/06/2009 16:50:04 »
Hey guys,

 At the risk of sounding like a complete nutjob, I experienced something the other day
that stumped me. I masturbated without looking at porn, something I almost never do, and I happened to notice my POIS symptoms were almost nonexistant. Has anyone else experienced this? I know this doesn't make any logical sense, but it is what it is. I think I'm going to avoid porn for at least the next three sessions(it will be extremely difficult) and see how I feel. Being a believer, I must consider the possibility of spirtual issues as well.
(all of you non-believers can roll your eyes and write me off if you'd like, I don't mind) Believing in Christ is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Ok, I'll stop preaching now. Sorry about that :)

Does anyone else think that porn is the biggest waste of time and has no positive use? It really sucks to be addicted to something that's such a huge waste of time.
Not to mention, it's pure brain rot. Honestly, it has done nothing but make my life complicated and miserable.
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« Reply #4496 on: 06/06/2009 17:35:47 »
Hey guys,

 At the risk of sounding like a complete nutjob, I experienced something the other day
that stumped me. I masturbated without looking at porn, something I almost never do, and I happened to notice my POIS symptoms were almost nonexistant. Has anyone else experienced this? I know this doesn't make any logical sense, but it is what it is. I think I'm going to avoid porn for at least the next three whack sessions(it will be extremely difficult) and see how I feel. Being a believer, I must consider the possibility of spirtual issues as well.
(all of you non-believers can roll your eyes and write me off if you'd like, I don't mind) Believing in Christ is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Ok, I'll stop preaching now. Sorry about that :)

Does anyone else think that porn is the biggest waste of time and has no positive use? It really sucks to be addicted to something that's such a huge waste of time.
Not to mention, it's pure brain rot. Honestly, it has done nothing but make my life complicated and miserable.

Again, this could be an "off" switch instance, attributed to something else. 

As far as the religious influence... do what you think is best.  Although I suspect you are more likely to get results taking a scientific approach.  (Also, IMO, there is no sensible reason you, and especially you in particular, would be punished for sexual activity).  Also note, that many could equally well say that becoming an agnostic or an atheist is the best thing that happened to them. (For one, it eliminates, imo, a lot of needless guilt).

But yes, I would avoid porn or sexually stimulating material, if you have POIS.  Generally, reducing sex-cravings, drive, addiction, seems to be helpful in minimizing the amount of time we spend affected by this problem. I notice I seem to be susceptible to porn and sex addiction. 
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4497 on: 06/06/2009 20:17:07 »

At the risk of sounding like a complete nutjob...


Relax, anyone exposed to POIS as long as we have, becomes, a complete nutjob. [:)]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4498 on: 06/06/2009 20:52:26 »
Effect of glycemic index on adrenaline level:

Blue= High Glycemic Index
Red=Low glycemic index

B_Jim, I'm not sure what the implication of the graph is. Can you please elaborate?

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« Reply #4499 on: 06/06/2009 21:54:05 »
beyondfrustrated, please let me know if you got my private message. Thanks.