Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4500 on: 06/06/2009 21:59:22 »

Does anyone else think that porn is the biggest waste of time and has no positive use? It really sucks to be addicted to something that's such a huge waste of time.
Not to mention, it's pure brain rot. Honestly, it has done nothing but makes my life complicated and miserable.


You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.
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« Reply #4501 on: 07/06/2009 05:07:39 »
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But yes, I would avoid porn or sexually stimulating material, if you have POIS.  Generally, reducing sex-cravings, drive, addiction, seems to be helpful in minimizing the amount of time we spend affected by this problem. I notice I seem to be susceptible to porn and sex addiction.

Thanks for the advice Counterpoints. I think it makes logical sense.

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You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.

demografx, My strong opinion reflects my frustration with an issue that has plagued my life. I apologize if
you were offended by it. I realize that there are people on this board who have no issues with pornography, and might take offence to me slamming it. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I do want to be honest, and I honestly wonder if sex issues, such as porn addiction, may have an affect on POIS.

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« Reply #4502 on: 07/06/2009 06:20:40 »
even in periods when I was without any stimulant, I always had a hyper reaction to exercise.
Demo, this is interesting, maybe there is here a link with pois.


B_Jim, thank you for posting this graph. Epinephrine is released around the orgasm or after eating high GI food.
It's not clear for me if there will be more epinephrine release if the sexual activity is stopped after orgasm or 1 second before orgasm(no pois in this case for the majority of us). Any thoughts?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4503 on: 07/06/2009 15:06:33 »

[beyondfrustrated], You very clearly stated your strong opinion/feeling.



demografx, My strong opinion reflects my frustration with an issue that has plagued my life. I apologize if you were offended by it. I realize that there are people on this board who have no issues with pornography, and might take offence to me slamming it. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I do want to be honest, and I honestly wonder if sex issues, such as porn addiction, may have an affect on POIS.


Offended? No, not at all, quite the opposite, I was actually congratulating you on taking a strong stance! Many people feel like you do, but lack the courage to speak out clearly in the face of some contrary public opinion on the subject. Very well done, BF, and sorry that I didn't express myself correctly.
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« Reply #4504 on: 07/06/2009 15:14:57 »
even in periods when I was without any stimulant, I always had a hyper reaction to exercise.

Demo, this is interesting, maybe there is here a link with pois.


Martin, I agree! Also, my extreme jet lag seems related to POIS as well.

My hyper reaction in the gym was so bad once that I almost started a physical fight with Arnold Schwarzenegger! (And my physique/build is only average).
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« Reply #4505 on: 07/06/2009 16:05:04 »
postscript - Endocrinologist visit

I thought this may interest some of you: I asked my endo last week what he thought of POIS and neurotransmitters, e.g., serotonin.

His reaction was, "It's a great idea, but unfortunately the tests for neurotransmitters are just not that accurate today."

Anyone agree? Disagree?
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« Reply #4506 on: 07/06/2009 23:08:32 »
BF. I have similar reliigous values as to you.  Depending on who you associate with can be important. When I was in  some churches many married people are sex addicts who couldn't overcome it and paired up with other sex addicts and now a ceremony doesn't cure that . They just now longer feel guilty.  But if you are trying to deal with an addiction to sex it is like being an recovering alcoholic and working in a bar.  Making you feel bad about you sexual feelings only will depress you and feel a need for "your drug" to deal with it.
When we were teens we all liked how it felt.  WE did it by ourselves privately and thought we were weird.  Of course pretty much everyone else was doing the same thing.  No one talks about it.  We live in a society obsessed with sexuality.

I have found that all arousel has some Pois effect.  The more intense the feeling which increases with porn to orgasm which it is over the top.  Even if I can stop before orgasm and cool down there is stiffness in my shoulders neck and/or back.
I will get a similar reaction to experiencing a stresful situation.  Both also are usually followed by a period of being depressed.

DEMO:  When you symptoms go from 90% better to 70% are symptoms increased across the board or some more than other

Question for all:  Does anyone feel that they have a greater or lesser or equal tolerance to pain than others ansd ids there an increase/decrease in or out of POIS?

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« Reply #4507 on: 08/06/2009 06:30:29 »

DEMO:  When you symptoms go from 90% better to 70% are symptoms increased across the board or some more than other


Finally, all symptoms get a little worse and they last longer. At 90%, mild symptoms and they last a few hours, very tolerable. 70% can be, for example, Day Zero, lasting all day, but gone by the next day. Formerly, POIS was a 4-day affair. But can be intense. Very hard to quantify, I'm sure you understand.


Question for all:  Does anyone feel that they have a greater or lesser or equal tolerance to pain than others ansd ids there an increase/decrease in or out of POIS?


Generally, I have a lesser tolerance to pain than others it seems. Both psychic pain (I get upset too easily sometimes over nothing) and physical pain (if I have a cold, I will die [:D]) Just your average male "baby".
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« Reply #4508 on: 09/06/2009 01:16:45 »
This is my first post in here, and I want to start off by saying thank you!
Thanks for being here and giving me the comfort I needed when I thought I was alone with this.

My name is Itamar, and i'm a 26 years old man from Israel.
ever since the age of 20 I think, I've been living with my POIS.
though I never had a name for it. (btw, I think the name POIS is scary as hell)
I came up with my own name a few years back, calling it "Rikundo"
it's sort of a funny if you know hebrew, a game play derived from "Rikun", the hebrew phrase for "To Empty".

my symptoms, as much as I can tell, are brain fog, digestion problems and overall fatigueness.
they usually last for about 4 to 8 days.
if I orgasm in my sleep even, I don't wanna wake up, I'm like a zombie. I'll easily skip the alarm clock in such a morning.
if I don't orgasm in a period of a week or more, I suddenly feel so powerful. like I'm in overdrive mode.

I have some questions I feel I have to ask you, maybe people asked them before but no one can read this giant thread.
here they are:

1. did you smoke ganja daily over a period of time?                                            Yes
2. are you thin / fat?                                                                         I'm Thin
3. when you masterbate, do you prolong the ejaculation or go for the prize full speed?         I prolong
4. are you a computer/tv addict?                                                               probably..

I'm sorry I must ask so bluntly such personal questions. It's just that I sometimes think that maybe my body
is missing Nutrients or something, maybe if I wasn't a Skinny, Pot Lover Nihilist none of this whould have happened to me.

today I don't smoke,
I also keep sex and masterbation to a minimum (which my girlfriend hated me for, till she dumped me)

for some years, I thought that everyone was on the same boat as me, and I actually thought I've discovered a secret way to get powerful and energetic.

lucky me...
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4509 on: 09/06/2009 01:26:00 »
Hey everyone,
It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4510 on: 09/06/2009 07:29:29 »
considering the people here in this forum,
what is the best solution to date?





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« Reply #4511 on: 09/06/2009 10:57:16 »
POIS Noise, I would suggest you try Relora, it is perhaps the best first trial.

Tarkington, who originally suggested using Relora, was it yourself? I tried to search the site but the earliest post mentioning it was you. If it was you then thanks! So far I have had only positive results.
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« Reply #4512 on: 09/06/2009 18:32:10 »
I'm sorry to say this, but I'm still believing that candida could be the cause of all of this.  Think about it, when candida thrives, it overloads your whole gut.  When orgasm occurs, maybe candida is somehow attached to your hormones because they feed off of that.  Your hormones rush to your brain, leaving you with a hormone/candida feeling.  Why do some of you people  take garlic after orgasm? Because garlic is one of the best anti-fungals and kills off candida.  I have been taking probiotics the past week and a half, approximately 3 pills of 10 billion a day, and I half to say, my blurry vision went away, the anxiety pretty much completely vanished.  I also have been eating about 4 cloves a day starting a few days ago.  I have been feeling pretty much like my old self.  I follow a strict diet, too, no carbs or sugars that will feed the candida.  I orgasmed about 4 times in two days and have felt very little pois symptoms, if any.  I am still not going to orgasm for a few weeks ahead because I believe hormones may be the main food that candida thrives on.  So I'm encouraging some people to try it.  Buy some acidophilus and take that 3 times a day <- local health food store.  Trust me you will feel a lot better.

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« Reply #4513 on: 09/06/2009 18:53:44 »
I'm sorry to say this, but I'm still believing that candida could be the cause of all of this.

Don't be sorry!  Just because some of us are not yet convinced doesn't mean you shouldn't express your theories.

  Think about it, when candida thrives, it overloads your whole gut.  When orgasm occurs, maybe candida is somehow attached to your hormones because they feed off of that. 

Honestly this doesn't make sense.  And it's quite vague.  "maybe Candida is somehow attached to your hormones"? 

I have been taking probiotics the past week and a half, approximately 3 pills of 10 billion a day

Taking huge quantities of pills is often unnecessary, and potentially hazardous...  It's also very expensive.  Generally, before trying lots and lots of pills, I think it's important to have a fairly plausible scientific explanation for why you're doing this.  Experimentation has its merits, but I think it should be somewhat limited.
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« Reply #4514 on: 09/06/2009 19:14:54 »
well, when candida is not controlled by the good bacteria in your gut it travels to different places where it naturally shouldn't be.  It will enter your bloodstream and settle in many different places including your brain.  One of the foods that candida loves is the hormones that our body creates.  So orgasm (releasing hormones) can feed the candida, making the candida emit toxins (POIS).  Probiotics are not "pills", they are basically the good bacteria that exist naturally inside every body, from your mouth to your anus.  They create a lot of necessary acids and vitamins your body needs to function.  Good bacteria stops the growth of candida.    [:)]
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« Reply #4515 on: 09/06/2009 20:12:39 »
Hello everyone. My test results came back normal. I started taking 610 mg of fenugreek a day, I can't really say if it helped or not. I was doing fine until last week when I didn't have an orgasm, but I did stimulate myself, even though it was only for seconds, it brought on symptoms of POIS. I did it because I felt like I couldn't feel anything down there.

Has anyone ever gotten symptoms after stimulation without orgasm?

To beyondfrustrated: I've experience the same thing or rare occasions. I would masturbate without any kind of porn and it would feel completely different. I wouldn't have any symptoms afterward. I think it probably has something to do with the the brain and how it responds to a stimulus like porn and and one that comes for itself. Like one is real to the brain while the other doesn't register at all, I don't know. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense.

I suppose I'll look to trying relora, after some research. For those who have taken supplements like fenugreek and relora, do they only prevent symptoms after an orgasm or do they also get you out of POIS faster?

Thank you

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4516 on: 09/06/2009 21:27:59 »

POIS Noise, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!



Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4517 on: 09/06/2009 21:36:17 »
thank you so much demografx.

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« Reply #4518 on: 09/06/2009 22:05:27 »
Dean93,
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I suppose I'll look to trying relora, after some research. For those who have taken supplements like fenugreek and relora, do they only prevent symptoms after an orgasm or do they also get you out of POIS faster?

I have had almost no symptoms recently, other than perhaps some mild anxiety, nothing like my "typical" POIS was. I am attributing this to the Relora. Although I have continued with the garlic it hasn't produced results this positive before. The only other change I have had in my diet over the last months is that I eat some yogurt and blueberries daily. I mention this as it could be relevant to Goingcrazy's theory, but I did have one symptomatic episode after starting that, so it probably isn't relevant.

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« Reply #4519 on: 09/06/2009 22:49:59 »

considering the people here in this forum, what is the best solution to date?


POIS Noise, for 30+ years I suffered POIS agony. Thanks to this forum and its emphasis on seeing an endocrinologist and getting labwork done, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now heals 90% of my POIS symptoms per episode, as long as I follow "reasonable" frequency guidelines, which I'm defining by experimenting. If I don't pay attention to frequency, it drops to 70% or less.

I certainly don't recommend testosterone as any sort of "blanket" cure for everyone. One should visit an endocrinologist and get as many hormone bloodtests as possible.

I don't think there's any one "best" solution. Everyone's different.
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« Reply #4520 on: 09/06/2009 23:08:45 »

Hey everyone,

It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!


Tarkington, congratulations on your success with Relora!!

And thank you for reporting it!

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« Reply #4521 on: 09/06/2009 23:19:44 »
i get to see family clinic doctor tommorow, what do i say causes the symptoms and hormonal imbalance.

 



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« Reply #4522 on: 09/06/2009 23:31:36 »

maybe if I wasn't a Skinny, Pot Lover Nihilist none of this would have happened to me.


POIS Noise, since the first research was done in 2002, there is absolutely no evidence that POIS is "our fault". Blaming yourself will produce no cure, it will only make it worse!

PN, just keep focused on "what can improve my life?" And being here at this forum is a very healthy step!

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« Reply #4523 on: 09/06/2009 23:35:36 »

i get to see family clinic doctor tommorow, what do i say causes the symptoms and hormonal imbalance.


Try "sex" and see what reaction you get. If it's not good, then say "and other times". Or just stick to the symptoms/hormonal imbalances without getting into why.

Bring Waldinger's paper.

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« Reply #4524 on: 09/06/2009 23:45:57 »

I have had almost no symptoms recently, other than perhaps some mild anxiety, nothing like my "typical" POIS was. I am attributing this to the Relora. Although I have continued with the garlic it hasn't produced results this positive before. The only other change I have had in my diet over the last months is that I eat some yogurt and blueberries daily. I mention this as it could be relevant to Goingcrazy's theory, but I did have one symptomatic episode after starting that, so it probably isn't relevant.


John, terrific! Can you please tell us what is your regimen for Relora?

I just emailed my endo, asking how testosterone and relora might work together.

I would caution everyone to check with your M.D. about how relora interacts with any prescription drugs you're taking.
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« Reply #4525 on: 10/06/2009 00:03:31 »
Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

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« Reply #4526 on: 10/06/2009 00:32:55 »
Demo,
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John, terrific! Can you please tell us what is your regimen for Relora?

Nothing very specific yet, it is too new. I have taken half a capsule initially following an orgasm or NE, and continued it with one or two half capsules the following day(s). Initially I was quite sensitive to it, with noticeable drowsiness but that has reduced somewhat with usage. I'm not sure, it might only take a hit of it following orgasm to set things right. I am going to experiment with it more apart from sex as a relaxant, to see if it might eventually help my insomnia. When I first tried it months ago I had a negative experience, a full capsule made me feel drugged, and it affected my sleep at that dosage. 1/4 capsule to 1/2 capsule makes me a little drowsy, but it is tolerable and it doesn't make my sleeping any worse at least. I suspect that my tolerance will increase with usage.

Tarkington, did you have such a sensitive reaction to Relora?

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« Reply #4527 on: 10/06/2009 00:37:28 »

taking Relora three times a day


Tarkington, can you say which brand and which dosage?

John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?

Thanks!
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« Reply #4528 on: 10/06/2009 05:43:29 »
Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html



So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

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« Reply #4529 on: 10/06/2009 06:46:08 »
POISE NOISE:
1. I am overweight
2. Tried pot once.
3. I tried to prolong the good feeling without coming  to an end when the bad feeling begins.  Trying to stop just before and let it shrink and start over.  For a while I thought that may have caused the problem wearing me out
4.  TV.
 Computer avoider until recently and only for necessary stuff like this forum.

If a girfriend dumps you for not satisfying her sexually consider it a good thing even if it feels bad now.   You're not a piece of meat.   At 26 you will probably see a cure and enjoy most of your life and be part of it by joining this forum.

MY pois symptoms  seem to last a day or 2 at most now instead of a week.  I am usually good for about the 1st 12 hours then I stiffen up around the spine from lower back to back of head.  It begins to relieve at 24 hours almost exactly.  Then lessens quickly for the next 12 hours and then it goes back to a gradual loosening.

I take  probiotic for general health altough alone wouldn't
help that much.  Any kind of fruit particularly berries are a good thing for diet.  Local in season stuff better than those full of presevatives.

Last time I also filled the tub with as cold water as i could stand  and laying there for a while.  Seemed to take away the warm feverish feeling

I asked about pain threshold because natural substances like those in Relora and in some studies Yohimbe were found to decrease sesitvity of pain receptors in the nerve endings in muscles.

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« Reply #4530 on: 10/06/2009 10:43:36 »
Demo,
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John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?
I have Trophic 250mg.

I am amazed at my sensitivity to it. Last night I wet my finger and lightly pressed it into a small amount if it and ate it, and I got quite a buzz. It is a mix of a joyful feeling and lethargy. Here it is the next morning and I still feel it! It must be a natural tranquilizer, and for me it is probably as powerful as some tranquilizer drugs. But then I am generally very sensitive to many things. I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.05% alcohol I can feel it. Still, I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4531 on: 10/06/2009 18:12:57 »
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John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?
I have Trophic 250mg.

I am amazed at my sensitivity to it. Last night I wet my finger and lightly pressed it into a small amount if it and ate it, and I got quite a buzz. It is a mix of a joyful feeling and lethargy. Here it is the next morning and I still feel it! It must be a natural tranquilizer, and for me it is probably as powerful as some tranquilizer drugs. But then I am generally very sensitive to many things. I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.05% alcohol I can feel it. Still, I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.

Do you think you could be reacting to something else?  I'm sure you'd find more than 0.05% alcohol in typical grapes, bananas, raspberries, potatoes, etc. To get the same effect as even one can of regular beer, you'd need to drink 34 litres (1150 ounces) of "near beer" in about 5 minutes... actually, you'd probably have to drink even more than that (60+ litres?), since the concentrated nature of a substance is partly responsible for the effect.  Of course, drinking more than 30 litres of anything in a short time would be impossible or would cause far more serious problems than an alcohol dose equivalent to a can of beer.
 
I know I have felt very strange after having a couple bottles of "non-alcoholic" Clausthaler (or O'Doul's).  It can cause me to have a really unusual POIS-like (semi-allergic?) reaction. This is interesting, because I think our POIS symptoms are quite similar. But if I have a pint of regular beer (perhaps depending on brand? specific ingredients?), I don't feel worse than after the Clausthaler.  Often I'll feel fairly normal.

At first, I thought maybe this had something to do with "gluten", ... or yeast. 

But, in general, I don't seem to feel bad after eating bread.  (Again, I have felt strange in certain cases... but maybe it had to do more with preservatives, etc.?).  I'm really not sure.  I worry about sounding like a hypochondriac when I talk about this, but the reaction is definitely quite severe.... and when I noticed this, I certainly wasn't expecting any kind of reaction to the food/drink.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4532 on: 10/06/2009 18:38:26 »
Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html



So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

I know very little about Candida, so I consider your post directly above this one (thank you) to be part of the forum's pro-con information flow.

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« Reply #4533 on: 10/06/2009 18:45:25 »
Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html



So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

That's not my interpretation of the article.   If there are no clinical signs of a yeast infection, there does not seem to be any logical reason to suspect one.  Also, the science behind many of the "yeast" theories is non-existent or questionable.  The idea that yeast has grown into some special area of our body, and is feeding on hormones specifically secreted at orgasm, and when the yeast is fed it immediately releases toxins(?), which affect us in this way, seems pretty far-fetched. And all this without even normal clinical signs of a yeast infection. It's not a first-principles theory, it's a set of massive assumptions.  It doesn't mean it's not true, but the science does not seem good.  Perhaps I'm especially wary of "yeast" explanations, even in cases where it is a good explanation, because I know that many people mistakenly blame problems on yeast, because of sketchy publicity.
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« Reply #4534 on: 10/06/2009 18:54:34 »
More on RELORA


I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.


Below is my (Demo's) re-post from last year, based on info from my pharmacology-attorney friend:

"Relora is a plant extract [from the herbs Phellodendron amurense and Magnolia officinalis].

Because the actual active ingredients are not discernible, there's no way to know what the interactions with other drugs might be. Therefore, I would recommend not taking it with Rx drugs,or with OTC drugs either.

This is what the manufacturer says: [Note the elevation in BP]

'side effects also include dizziness, trouble sleeping, and higher blood pressure.'  "

I (Demo) asked my endocrinologist if he saw any harm in my using Relora as an adjunct to my testosterone treatment:

"I think not. However, you may not know what is really in the herbal supplement since it is not regulated. Also remember, what may have an effect may also have a side effect."
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« Reply #4535 on: 10/06/2009 19:33:24 »
Hi demo,

Just wanted to pop in and say well done for doing a grand job !

Men are the same as women, just inside out !

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« Reply #4536 on: 10/06/2009 20:09:14 »

Hi demo,

Just wanted to pop in and say well done for doing a grand job !




NEIL!





<bowing in deference> How nice to see you! And how very nice of you to say that!

Thank you!
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« Reply #4537 on: 10/06/2009 20:56:45 »

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« Reply #4538 on: 10/06/2009 21:28:13 »
John, sorry if I missed it, but now that I have my endo's blessing to try it, when did you say you start/stop relora? Before? After? Always?

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« Reply #4539 on: 10/06/2009 21:33:06 »
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John, sorry if I missed it, but now that I have my endo's blessing to try it, when did you say you start/stop relora? Before? After? Always?

So far: directly after, continuing it for another day or two.
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« Reply #4540 on: 10/06/2009 21:55:35 »
CP,
Sorry, I was wrong, the "near beer" is actually 0.5%. My reaction to it is not POIS-like. When I drink a normal beer and have a night's sleep I always wake feeling unrested, and it has a certain kind of "feel". When I drink the near beer or take the a sip of wine I get the same effect to a lesser extent. I am confident that I am just very sensitive to alcohol. I have previously searched the web for what that says about my system, but I haven't found that it indicates anything. At one time I considered the Candida theory, but it does sound doubtful to me as well now.

Demo,
Speaking of Quackwatch, here is another ducky remedy: http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml

I mention this because I heard a lady who called into a talk-radio call in show swearing that all her medical probems were cured by cleansing the toxins out of her body through her feet! Sounds like faith healing to me.  [:)]
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« Reply #4541 on: 11/06/2009 04:46:35 »
I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.5% alcohol I can feel it.
Me too. I feel the usual effect of alcohol.

Also a 0.5 beer helps me with premature ejaculation and has a slight stimulating and relaxing effect at the same time. Which is caused by hops I think.

Martin, I agree! Also, my extreme jet lag seems related to POIS as well.
Perhaps a problem with an other endocrine gland (pineal). I don't know if it's controlled by the pituitary.

About the hyper reaction to gym:
I know someone who is diabetic and who MUST do exercise to lower his sugar. Eventually you'll have to find a solution for this. Maybe it's a nutritional deficiency aggravated by exercise (ex: cramps) or an effect of other medication I don't know... Maybe testosterone can control this effect now!

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« Reply #4542 on: 11/06/2009 11:33:14 »
Finally,

My doctor believed in me. He was a little surprised and had a doubts when I showed to him Waldinger's report, but finally guided me to an endocrinologist.  [:)] [:)]


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« Reply #4543 on: 11/06/2009 14:16:25 »
Finally,

My doctor believed in me. He was a little surprised and had a doubts when I showed to him Waldinger's report, but finally guided me to an endocrinologist.  [:)] [:)]
Good news Pronobis! (Or he didn't believe and sent you there to reassure you. I already saw this before in my case)

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« Reply #4544 on: 11/06/2009 16:01:07 »
I was reading last night and came upon the Candida possible connection....

I read some symptoms of Candida and man 75% of them were me!

So I looked around for more Candida info and came upon http://www.candida-albicans-cure.com/candida-test.html and also found this same simple test mentioned many times all over the net, and no one saying it was bogus....

This morning I tested, as it says to do this in the morning..... and voila.... very positive results.... the image they show on the webpage... is axactly what I saw this morning....

Now I am not saying YET that its related to POIS.... but I need to start trying to treat it.....

So here we go.....

Why doesn't everyone else try this test at home and report.... it would be another piece in the puzzle and it ridiculously simple to do!

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« Reply #4545 on: 11/06/2009 17:46:38 »
I was reading last night and came upon the Candida possible connection....

I read some symptoms of Candida and man 75% of them were me!

So I looked around for more Candida info and came upon http://www.candida-albicans-cure.com/candida-test.html and also found this same simple test mentioned many times all over the net, and no one saying it was bogus....

This morning I tested, as it says to do this in the morning..... and voila.... very positive results.... the image they show on the webpage... is axactly what I saw this morning....

Now I am not saying YET that its related to POIS.... but I need to start trying to treat it.....

So here we go.....

Why doesn't everyone else try this test at home and report.... it would be another piece in the puzzle and it ridiculously simple to do!

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Yes, I tried the same test to with positive results.  Sadly there are no listed symptoms of candida related to "post orgasmic depression".  But hey you never know. 

Candida is normally present in the digestive tract of the body, but once it is uncontrolled and breaks out into the bloodstream, it causes numerous problems.  I'm not saying that candida is %100 the cause, but it could explain the reason "I" feel terrible after eating sugars, and the reason for pois.

But i still can't believe that if anyone has had candida bad in the past that they wouldn't list post orgasmic illness as one of the main symptoms. 

Maybe they just didn't want to believe it or really didn't know. That would make sense because even I didn't know this illness was related to sex until possibly as much as a year into it.

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« Reply #4546 on: 11/06/2009 17:51:41 »
Hey everyone,
It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!

This is my opinion, but I think relora is more like treating the symptoms, rather than treating the illness.

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« Reply #4547 on: 11/06/2009 19:03:51 »

This is my opinion, but I think relora is more like treating the symptoms, rather than treating the illness.

Yes mine too, I use ATIVAN and it make me 100% but it only a coverup... its not fixing anything!

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« Reply #4548 on: 11/06/2009 19:06:02 »
The candida spit test is not serious. Candidosis should be considered only if there are clear signs (white tongue, throat...).


Well if you look at the list of Candida symptoms, I am almost 100% on all of them..... so for me this is the angle I will take for the next while and see.... however I have no clear outward signs, but I have all the internal ones.....

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« Reply #4549 on: 11/06/2009 19:52:39 »

This is my opinion, but I think relora is more like treating the symptoms, rather than treating the illness.


So what? POIS sufferers till now have NEVER had ANY form of relief! Perhaps my testosterone treatment is superficial, too, but it has changed my life!