Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #4550 on: 11/06/2009 20:05:56 »
I'm not saying that those are bad, I was on relora for about a month.  After quitting relora my symptoms returned.  Take them if you want, but they will not cure anything.

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« Reply #4551 on: 11/06/2009 20:11:10 »

Well if you look at the list of Candida symptoms...


I don't think I've met anyone in my LIFE who DOESN'T have a "Candida symptom" [;D]

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« Reply #4552 on: 11/06/2009 20:13:53 »
I'm not saying that those are bad, I was on relora for about a month.  After quitting relora my symptoms returned.  Take them if you want, but they will not cure anything.

Again, I think we should be very grateful that we have ANY POIS relief at all! When this forum started, we had absolutely nothing.
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« Reply #4553 on: 11/06/2009 20:32:49 »
I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.5% alcohol I can feel it.
Me too. I feel the usual effect of alcohol.

Also a 0.5 beer helps me with premature ejaculation and has a slight stimulating and relaxing effect at the same time. Which is caused by hops I think.

Martin, I agree! Also, my extreme jet lag seems related to POIS as well.
Perhaps a problem with an other endocrine gland (pineal). I don't know if it's controlled by the pituitary.

About the hyper reaction to gym:
I know someone who is diabetic and who MUST do exercise to lower his sugar. Eventually you'll have to find a solution for this. Maybe it's a nutritional deficiency aggravated by exercise (ex: cramps) or an effect of other medication I don't know... Maybe testosterone can control this effect now!

Martin, I'm still hoping that major sloth will cure me [:)]

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« Reply #4554 on: 11/06/2009 20:35:48 »
I don't think I've met anyone in my LIFE who DOESN'T have a "Candida symptom" [;D]

Yes one symptom, but when you almost got the list! thats another thing.... there are all sorts of disconnected symptoms that seem connected to Candida, I have always had achy joints.... this alone everyone gets, mine started at 30. But now through in always slightly dizzy, off balance, mental fog, hard to find words, small persistant headaches, itchy anus, anxiety, a heavy use of antibiotics in my earlier life, different bowel issues, GERD, bad heart burn, itchy skin, allergies to smells like perfume.... its all painting a picture....

Now I do not say, YET, that it is Candida, I will see DR, see what he says..... get tests if any and go from there....

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« Reply #4555 on: 11/06/2009 20:42:05 »
Hi All

There seems to be quite a lot of good news on Relora recently, which is great - it's heartening to hear these reports. However, I thought I'd mention a possible down side which I've experienced.

Before I do though, I should just say that I'd still recommend anybody try Relora for POIS, or even generalised anxiety. As, aside from the side effect I had, it initially definitely helped my POIS and gave me a feeling of energised tranquillity which I really appreciated.


I took Relora consistently (3 per day) for about 4  months or so. I then began to notice itching on my torso mainly in the evenings and in the morning. I experimented a bit and discovered it was caused by the Relora. This kind of makes sense as Relora lowers cortisol and cortisol provides "anti-inflammatory effects by reducing histamine secretion and stabilizing lysosomal membranes" (Wikipedia).

I had thought that my POIS may have been caused by raised cortisol levels, but I now think that perhaps the benefit I got from Relora was due to lowering my normal or possibly low cortisol levels, allowing my adrenals to produce something else that was beneficial.

Any thoughts?

All the Best

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« Reply #4556 on: 11/06/2009 21:22:06 »

Now I do not say, YET, that it is Candida, I will see DR, see what he says..... get tests if any and go from there....


Sounds very reasonable! I'm just concerned with premature conclusions some people and questionable practitioners arrive at...best wishes! Please let us know your progress!

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« Reply #4557 on: 11/06/2009 21:29:23 »
Pantaloon, thanks for that great post!

We're learning a lot about POIS, I think, from all these relora experiences.

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« Reply #4558 on: 11/06/2009 21:36:09 »

Finally,

My doctor believed in me. He was a little surprised and had a doubts when I showed to him Waldinger's report, but finally guided me to an endocrinologist.  [:)] [:)]


Pronobis, wonderful to hear! Congratulations!

I think we are learning very valuable lessons at this forum: not only about how to deal with POIS, but also how to deal with the medical community. Not easy!!
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« Reply #4559 on: 11/06/2009 21:58:33 »

I  didn't know this illness was related to sex until possibly as much as a year into it.


You did better than me, it took me a few years. Very common that it takes time to "discover" the link between POIS and sex, especially for those sufferers with delayed reactions.
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« Reply #4560 on: 11/06/2009 22:05:22 »
I don't think I've met anyone in my LIFE who DOESN'T have a "Candida symptom" [;D]

Yes one symptom, but when you almost got the list! thats another thing.... there are all sorts of disconnected symptoms that seem connected to Candida, I have always had achy joints.... this alone everyone gets, mine started at 30. But now through in always slightly dizzy, off balance, mental fog, hard to find words, small persistant headaches, itchy anus, anxiety, a heavy use of antibiotics in my earlier life, different bowel issues, GERD, bad heart burn, itchy skin, allergies to smells like perfume.... its all painting a picture....

Now I do not say, YET, that it is Candida, I will see DR, see what he says..... get tests if any and go from there....

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POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

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« Reply #4561 on: 11/06/2009 23:15:05 »

the "near beer" is actually 0.5%. My reaction to it is not POIS-like. When I drink a normal beer and have a night's sleep I always wake feeling unrested, and it has a certain kind of "feel". When I drink the near beer or take the a sip of wine I get the same effect to a lesser extent. I am confident that I am just very sensitive to alcohol. I have previously searched the web for what that says about my system, but I haven't found that it indicates anything.


I don't drink, but in the past, I would have excessive reactions to drink, almost POIS-like! Symptoms would last 3-4 days, instead of the typical 1-day mild hangover that I think is more the norm.

Like you, I have a sensitivity that I believe is genetic (my father had it).


Speaking of Quackwatch, here is another ducky remedy: http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml

I mention this because I heard a lady who called into a talk-radio call in show swearing that all her medical probems were cured by cleansing the toxins out of her body through her feet! Sounds like faith healing to me.  [:)]


It would be hilarious if so many people didn't go seriously off the deep-end with "remedies".

I think the "device watch" link you posted is related to the "quack watch" I posted. They have the same look and feel. I'm glad someone is watching!


"ducky remedy", very good, John!  [;D]
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« Reply #4562 on: 11/06/2009 23:27:13 »

The candida spit test is not serious. Candidosis should be considered only if there are clear signs (white tongue, throat...).


B_Jim, very well said!

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« Reply #4563 on: 11/06/2009 23:30:23 »
Hello all,

I'm currently trying to write a document, or "compendium" if you will, that introduces what POIS is, discuses the theories we've came up with, the treatments and methods that have worked (and why we think they worked), and the treatments and methods that haven't worked.  It would be periodically updated and be a document that accommodates the forum.  My hope is it will make it easier for newcomers to catch-up on what we've discussed before in order to reduce some redundancy in discussion.  I figure it would also help ease the transition of newcomers into the forum as well because they won't need to rummage through hundreds of forum pages to get caught up.  Also, I'm hoping it will provide everyone with a snap shot of our progress as the forum grows.  Plus, if we someday finally get a professional researcher on the forum, it would be a nice way to present ourselves and avoid him/her from needing to read hundreds of forum pages, which they probably won't have time for.  

Right now there is an introduction and description of POIS section.  But I'm stuck on the theory section in the sense that I need some raw data or evidence to back up the theories we've come up with.  The main one I'm having trouble with is Adrenal Fatigue due to the potential overproduction of cortisol after orgasm - my own blood tests don't show abnormally high cortisol levels, so I'm wondering if anyone else here have had results showing high cortisol, otherwise this theory breaks down and explaining why Relora works for some people here (it supposedly lowers cortisol) would be even harder.  Any data from anyone would help tremendously.

Other theories I remember discussing were high prolactin (due to abnormal function of the pituitary), low testosterone (hypogonadism due to pituitary malfunction or malfunction of the testes), and hypo/hyper thyroidism.  Can anyone think of anymore theories that should also be mentioned?  Or should some of these theories not be mentioned?  How does this whole idea sound to you guys?


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« Reply #4564 on: 11/06/2009 23:46:34 »

How does this whole idea sound to you guys?


Excellent idea. Assuming there's no overlap (at least I don't see it), this could complement B_Jim's and Counterpoints' and Martin's work nicely.

I'm concerned about "adrenal fatigue" only because it has a mixed reputation amongst serious researchers. Maybe give it a new name?

How about including Waldinger's theory? A fenugreek-based theory? Garlic-based?
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« Reply #4565 on: 12/06/2009 00:34:42 »
POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

I always feel a little light headed, not sure if I would say drunk, but I can stumble around a bit!

As for the bread, I would not think it will make me feel any different then the current light headedness...

Is this a factor, I have not come across this.

PS

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« Reply #4566 on: 12/06/2009 01:10:40 »
How does this whole idea sound to you guys?
Thanks Pyropeach, definitely this will be great! I had high cortisol 10 days after an orgasm. For me the recovery is gradual, I'm better at day 10 but not fully cured. Unfortunately one test is not enough to make a conclusion. We can only report and organize "events" and in 100 years it will be more clear !

About adrenal fatigue (I don't know if it's a real concept) I have 95% of the symptoms mentionned here :
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C17649.html

Someone was cured with DHEA ..

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« Reply #4567 on: 12/06/2009 01:28:54 »
pyropeach

I'd say the pituitary abnormalities in those with pituitary MRI, and the adrenal theory are worth mentioning....

I think it's questionable how much Relora decreases cortisol. 

Also, even though my cortisol has been high (as has rock's), I don't think cortisol in isolation is the whole problem... it could just be an indicator of a pituitary or adrenal issue.  Also hypercortisolism can be cyclical.
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« Reply #4568 on: 12/06/2009 02:46:34 »
Thanks for the feedback guys.  I'll def put in pituitary abnormalities and the adrenal theory.  Although it seems these theories are connected...so maybe all there is needed is just one theory that combines everything.  I hope to hear more feedback so I can take as many people's thoughts and suggestions as possible into consideration.

I'll def try to add in the garlic and fenugreek into the section of things that worked.  Now that I'm finally done with college WOOOHOO!!  I'll have more time to work on it.  :) 




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« Reply #4569 on: 12/06/2009 03:37:10 »
POIS-SUFFERER, eat a few pieces of white bread and tell me if you feel a bit drunk... or teary eyes afterwards... give it about 30-60 minutes.

I always feel a little light headed, not sure if I would say drunk, but I can stumble around a bit!

As for the bread, I would not think it will make me feel any different then the current light headedness...

Is this a factor, I have not come across this.

PS

So maybe for you its like smoking marijuana when you are already high.  I used to always feel lightheaded also.  I just remember this one night a couple years ago when it seemed like my brain chemistry had changed.  Hence POIS has come about.  Maybe that could be candida entering my brain?  [:-X]  haha.  But has anybody else remembered a night )or a day)  when they just "lost" it, when they felt like someone other than themself?  Brain fog and all of these other symptoms arrival?

Yes it is a factor, any carbs you consume may feed the candida  [xx(](if it really is candida), and I know what you mean by lightheadedness.  For me it was like living life in a dream.
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« Reply #4570 on: 12/06/2009 04:57:50 »
POIS-SUFFERER has mentioned ativan a few times...

I'd like to say that I've experimented with ativan a reasonable amount, and it has a negligible positive effect on my POIS. Even when I am feeling really distressed, ativan does not help very much.  In fact, it seems to work better when I don't have POIS symptoms.

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« Reply #4571 on: 12/06/2009 04:58:19 »
Congrats pyropeach! 
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« Reply #4572 on: 12/06/2009 06:53:46 »
Pyro, congrats! What a relief.

We'll give you a Master's minimum for your compendium.  [:)]


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« Reply #4573 on: 12/06/2009 07:09:02 »
Pyro, DHEA was mentioned by Martin. We've had a fair amount of discussion about that. Worth looking into?

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« Reply #4574 on: 12/06/2009 10:04:21 »
Pyro, DHEA was mentioned by Martin. We've had a fair amount of discussion about that. Worth looking into?


Definitely worth looking into, in fact I tried DHEA for a time in the past and it seemed to help a little.


Pyro, congrats! What a relief.

We'll give you a Master's minimum for your compendium.  [:)]


Congrats pyropeach! 



Pyropeach : congratulations. I still defend high cortisol/adrenaline "all the time" and low Dhea+steroids/dopamine just after orgasm theory.
And then reduce the high levels all the time help to reduce the low levels just after orgasm.


Thanks guys for the congrats guys!
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« Reply #4575 on: 12/06/2009 10:15:00 »
I'm very curios as to how many people tried relora.
tried looking for it here in Israel, couldn't find any tough.

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« Reply #4576 on: 12/06/2009 18:15:02 »
POIS-SUFFERER has mentioned ativan a few times...

I'd like to say that I've experimented with ativan a reasonable amount, and it has a negligible positive effect on my POIS. Even when I am feeling really distressed, ativan does not help very much.  In fact, it seems to work better when I don't have POIS symptoms.


Counterpoints, as with your Ativan experience, I have never gotten any POIS relief with alcohol or any similar mood-altering chemical.

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« Reply #4577 on: 12/06/2009 20:09:04 »
I'm very curious as to how many people tried relora.
tried looking for it here in Israel, couldn't find any though.


Wow, POIS Noise, Israeli regulations are complex! I spent the last two hours researching this, starting by talking to my local health food store proprietor. "Codex" is an international cooperative venture that tries to discourage supplements outside the US.

I spoke with www.vitaminshoppe.com and they will ship relora to you, BUT you must first fax them a note from your Doctor that says it's ok for you to take it! (You can thank codex for that).

Fax doctor's note to them at 800 852 7153.

First, go to their website and pick the relora brand you want. Check previous forum posts here to see which brand others have tried. To make it easier, put this into Google:   
Relora site:http://thenakedscientists.com
Careful to have a space between relora and site, no spaces elsewhere.

VitaminShoppe customer service line is  866 293 3367. Order by phone or website. I picked them because they're fairly well known, 20 yrs in business, 300 retail stores.

For a list of other places to buy Relora (the _brand_ Relora, but they probably carry other brands as well, just like VitaminShoppe):
http://www.relora.com/wheretobuy.html

Be prepared for high shipping costs.

Good luck, PN! Sorry it's so difficult.
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« Reply #4578 on: 13/06/2009 07:27:45 »
Counterpoints, as with your Ativan experience, I have never gotten any POIS relief with alcohol or any similar mood-altering chemical.

Sorry, I just had to :P



(PS: This is in no way an endorsement of Ativan!)

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« Reply #4579 on: 13/06/2009 07:53:28 »
thanx demografx!

in the us, do you need a doctor to get relora?

maybe it's easier to ask somone who's coming back to israel.

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« Reply #4580 on: 13/06/2009 14:55:45 »
POIS-SUFFERER has mentioned ativan a few times...
I'd like to say that I've experimented with ativan a reasonable amount, and it has a negligible positive effect on my POIS. Even when I am feeling really distressed, ativan does not help very much.  In fact, it seems to work better when I don't have POIS symptoms.
I took ativan (in pois) for 3 days when I was around 21, I can remember I felt no benefits at all from it. I was feeling more empty than usual and had more difficulty to fall asleep at night. It would probably be more effective if taken when I'm sexually abstinent.(Usually I feel a lot less the effect of any substance when I'm in pois.)

Martin : I agree. Even if "adrenal fatigue" doesn't exist as real and prolonged disease, I believe a short "adrenal latency" is possible causing symptoms.
It's possible. I don't know if this fits with my long period of recovery from pois. After sexual excesses I don't even recover from pois between two orgasms, even with 2-3 weeks abstinence. I have an orgasm only because I'm upset with pois and only for a brief pleasure  [:(]
Maybe adrenal fatigue is real and extended over time, maybe no... What is attractive is that I'm recognizing myself very well in the list of symptoms.
An other link about this ....
http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp
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« Reply #4581 on: 13/06/2009 20:15:14 »

Sorry, I just had to :P





(PS: This is in no way an endorsement of Ativan!)


Don't apologize, Counterpoints, that was hilarious!! [;D]
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« Reply #4582 on: 13/06/2009 20:24:13 »
Well, I jumped on thebandwagon, yesterday. This pic is the actual brand my health food store proprietor carries. Will keep you posted!

Hope you all don't think I'm too greedy, what with my testosterone success. But, hey, 30+ years of agony, plus a partially-wasted life, I deserve it....so why not?
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« Reply #4583 on: 13/06/2009 20:27:25 »

thanx demografx!

in the us, do you need a doctor to get relora?

maybe it's easier to ask somone who's coming back to israel.


Nothing required here except the $19.99 plus tax I paid yesterday! [:)]
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« Reply #4584 on: 13/06/2009 23:15:47 »
Well, I jumped on thebandwagon, yesterday. This pic is the actual brand my health food store proprietor carries. Will keep you posted!

Hope you all don't think I'm too greedy, what with my testosterone success. But, hey, 30+ years of agony, plus a partially-wasted life, I deserve it....so why not?

My first reaction to it was as that of an aphrodisiac! (You should know that I also get an aphrodisiac effect from Aleve). I chose to ignore that effect, thankfully!

At the beginning of Day Zero, I took a total of 500mg (250mg twice within a couple hours), a higher dose than recommended within that time period, which I risked based on the previous day's ingestion and observation, but I certainly don't recommend to anyone else.

Relora seemed to augment the work of my testosterone treatment, by hastening the onset of clarity on Day Zero. Pleasantly mild anti-anxiety effect.

I will monitor this for placebo effect and report ongoing observation. I will only try it immediately afterwards, not ongoing.

In one of my earlier posts, I mentioned that I first checked this out with my physician, which I recommend to everyone.
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« Reply #4585 on: 14/06/2009 12:12:44 »
Demo,

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My first reaction to it was as that of an aphrodisiac! (You should know that I also get an aphrodisiac effect from Aleve). I chose to ignore that effect, thankfully!

It had that effect on me as well, I was thinking it would make for a nice romantic evening for a couple.

I'm on day zero this morning, I'm going to fly without a parachute, no Relora, no garlic. I would like to know what exactly is helping me. Perhaps if I get symptoms popping some Relora will stop it in it's tracks. Wish me well.

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« Reply #4586 on: 14/06/2009 21:55:20 »
Relating to the candida theory: "the adrenaline released by orgasm allegedly helps break down glucose and prevents it from being stored as fat"

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« Reply #4587 on: 14/06/2009 22:56:44 »
GC, I don't understand your point.

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« Reply #4588 on: 14/06/2009 22:58:50 »
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My first reaction to it was as that of an aphrodisiac! (You should know that I also get an aphrodisiac effect from Aleve). I chose to ignore that effect, thankfully!

It had that effect on me as well, I was thinking it would make for a nice romantic evening for a couple.

I'm on day zero this morning, I'm going to fly without a parachute, no Relora, no garlic. I would like to know what exactly is helping me. Perhaps if I get symptoms popping some Relora will stop it in it's tracks. Wish me well.

Good luck, John! I imagine garlic would have an immediate effect as well. Who knows if and when they work? Can't hurt.

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« Reply #4589 on: 14/06/2009 23:02:38 »
Relating to the candida theory: "the adrenaline released by orgasm allegedly helps break down glucose and prevents it from being stored as fat"

Yeast (candida) thrives on glucose, thus releasing toxins as orgasm occurs.

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« Reply #4590 on: 14/06/2009 23:06:27 »
Anyways I will be going on a non orgasm, limited carbs and sugar diet with probiotic intake until the end of July, I will notify the forum of the outcome.

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« Reply #4591 on: 15/06/2009 05:10:03 »
going crazy

I think am going to try your route while i wait on the waiting list for endo, and relora,fenugreek and alpha20c have kinda failed for me.  But I will try my best to be orgasmic free i dont think sleep will allow it.

i was wondering what probiotics are you going for to balance digestive system and also are you trying grapefruit extract.

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« Reply #4592 on: 15/06/2009 05:12:25 »
Also i saw on a website that low immune system is one of the causes of growth of candida, and irealized in my last general blood test my white blood cell count was low. right at the bottom  of accepted value.

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« Reply #4593 on: 15/06/2009 17:18:16 »
I should point out again that the science is really bad on this Candida explanation.  Seemingly, for the most part, "Candida" diagnosis is a scam, and the information available on the internet is unreliable.  Go to a physician (MD) and ask if you have a yeast infection.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Candidiasis-Hypersensitivity-(Systemic-Candida)-Is-It-Really-a-Fraud&id=446093

Discusses the issue, in response to Candida diagnosis being put on quackwatch's top 10 fraud list.  It says the suggested diet (Nathan Pritikin) for the most part is probably good for you anyways, so I think in that case it may be worth trying.  But there are also some things to look out for.
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« Reply #4594 on: 15/06/2009 17:21:38 »
relora,fenugreek have kinda failed for me.

Me too, although I haven't tested fenugreek long enough.

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« Reply #4595 on: 15/06/2009 17:58:04 »
I should point out again that the science is really bad on this Candida explanation.  Seemingly, for the most part, "Candida" diagnosis is a scam, and the information available on the internet is unreliable.  Go to a physician (MD) and ask if you have a yeast infection.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Candidiasis-Hypersensitivity-(Systemic-Candida)-Is-It-Really-a-Fraud&id=446093

Discusses the issue, in response to Candida diagnosis being put on quackwatch's top 10 fraud list.  It says the suggested diet (Nathan Pritikin) for the most part is probably good for you anyways, so I think in that case it may be worth trying.  But there are also some things to look out for.

I don't think candida diagnosis is a scam, I think many people just blame other unrelated problems on it.  Because there are so many symtoms of candida.

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« Reply #4596 on: 15/06/2009 18:09:12 »
By the way, my POIS is now down to I would say less than a day to feel totally better compared to the 1 1/2 weeks it had took me before trying anything on this forum.
going crazy

I think am going to try your route while i wait on the waiting list for endo, and relora,fenugreek and alpha20c have kinda failed for me.  But I will try my best to be orgasmic free i dont think sleep will allow it.

i was wondering what probiotics are you going for to balance digestive system and also are you trying grapefruit extract.

As long as you don't cause an "O" by yourself, I believe NE's won't really affect it.  Currently I am taking PB8 probiotic acidophilus.  I was taking it about 3 times a day for the first week, now only once or twice...
I would encourage you to take anything "anti-candida", but don't overload your system too much with the wrong stuff.  Right now I am only taking garlic, smaller amounts every day...

I believe I might have experienced a small "die off" for two days, I have no anxiety at all now just a bit of brain fog.

Another thing relating to the candida theory, I remember having blood taken out of me when I gave blood and I actually felt POIS free for a few hours when I was in POIS, therefore it possibly is something in the blood.

After July 31, if I am not "cured" I'm going to the doctor and getting a blood test for candida, because it can take a while to cure it.

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« Reply #4597 on: 15/06/2009 20:11:29 »
Hi everybody,

I didn't make a sex since 2 weeks, but I have POIS symptomes after 2 sleepless nights. This time I don't have flu-like symptomes, but skin problems and backache, I am pale etc.

Do you have same thing?

 

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« Reply #4598 on: 15/06/2009 20:14:09 »
Demo,

Hve you got a response from WHO?

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« Reply #4599 on: 15/06/2009 21:38:23 »
Update: Second day away from orgasm
I hate to report this (sort of) but I have experienced no symptoms this time, without taking anything. I am mystified. As I said I don't put faith in the Candida theory but to be precise for the record I have been eating yogurt + berries daily for about six months now. I always have included frozen blueberries and for the last couple of months I have been adding chopped frozen cranberries. I am not saying any of this is related to my lack of symptoms, I am just reporting it.

Other than diet the only other change I can think of this time is more sleep. I usually keep a regular sleep schedule, but the last few days I have allowed myself to sleep longer, to get about average 9 hrs (broken by waking once each night). Could the extra sleep be "tranquilizing" my brain? Or did Relora not actually stop my POIS symptoms after all, has something else been "working" recently? 

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