Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5100 on: 28/07/2009 23:47:41 »
OFF TOPIC : Humor

(We can't always be so dead serious around here! [;D] )

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My Urologist.....

As men age, we start seeing more of the medical world, which
nowadays seems  to include an  increasing number of women as our
physicians and therapists.  And in  my case, a new urologist...

My family doctor recently referred me to a just out of
medical school female urologist. I saw her  yesterday, and she's
absolutely drop-dead gorgeous as well as unbelievably  sexy.

She told me that I must stop masturbating.


I asked her why.
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She said, "Because I'm trying to examine you..."

coool )))))))))))

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ps - let me know the Switzerland telephone charges by PM for reimbursement. [/quote]

What does this mean?

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« Reply #5101 on: 29/07/2009 01:03:33 »
hi im joe, 18 and just found out about pois about a 5 months ago i know forsure i have it my main problem is the clouded thoughts after orgasm and social trouble but ive found in my drug experimenting days that xanex helped with my pois i was more social and ppl liked how i acted better and i felt like the real me but everytime i try to stop i go for a week top then the smallest thing like a picture of a hot babe or my girlfriend texting me and talking dirty will get me horny and i have to do it but i dont like it becus of what happens after and for a week and a half straight ive whacked since i was 12 used to everyday not nowing how bad it is and never noticed until now about the pois i mostly get hungry after orgasm my head feels weird sometimes itchy eyes and i get real hungry but if anyone has found a remedy for this at all plz reply ill check daily p.m. me anything to help too i want to stop masturbatingidont know how hard it will be and i dont know if that will help stop the pois will it? ill stop if it makes me SANE again...

i would also like to know if this has any negative inpact long-term on the brain
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« Reply #5102 on: 29/07/2009 10:43:37 »
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hi im joe, 18 and just found out about pois about a 5 months ago i know forsure i have it my main problem is the clouded thoughts after orgasm and social trouble but ive found in my drug experimenting days that xanex helped with my pois i was more social and ppl liked how i acted better and i felt like the real me but everytime i try to stop i go for a week top then the smallest thing like a picture of a hot babe or my girlfriend texting me and talking dirty will get me horny and i have to do it but i dont like it becus of what happens after and for a week and a half straight ive whacked since i was 12 used to everyday not nowing how bad it is and never noticed until now about the pois i mostly get hungry after orgasm my head feels weird sometimes itchy eyes and i get real hungry but if anyone has found a remedy for this at all plz reply ill check daily p.m. me anything to help too i want to stop masturbatingidont know how hard it will be and i dont know if that will help stop the pois will it? ill stop if it makes me SANE again...

i would also like to know if this has any negative inpact long-term on the brain

Stopping masturbation is something that can seem impossible, but I can assure you that it is possible. You have to remove anything that would lead you to it from before your eyes. If you persist you will succeed and it will eventually feel normal to not "have to". You will still have urges but you will be able to ignore them. Like any goal you have to set it in you mind that you are determined to do it, and then go for it, and then learn to use punctuation.

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« Reply #5103 on: 29/07/2009 13:34:23 »
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You could try taking an antihistamine?

Exactly. I'm tempted to experiment with this if I can accumulate enuf days off work proceeding, though that wont be for awhile =(

Underwater was trying out the antihistamine Claritin back on page 170 of this thread.

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http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg240855

Its active ingredient is Loratadine. Wikipedia has this to say about Loratadine:

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Non-sedating antihistamine
As a non-sedating antihistamine, loratadine causes less sedation and psychomotor impairment than the older antihistamines because it penetrates the blood brain barrier only to a slight extent.

It would be interesting to see how one of the sedative antihistamines would affect POIS - the sedative ones cross the blood brain barrier far more easily, so might possibly have a stronger effect?
The one I'm planning on trying is called Diphenhydramine which is most often found in "sleep aids" like Benedryl and Nytol nowadays. Obviously this can only be taken shortly before you go to sleep, nobody wants to fall asleep at work or at the wheel of their car .....  [:-'(]

Will let you know how successful (or not) it turns out to be!

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« Reply #5104 on: 29/07/2009 13:45:12 »
Also, I just happened across a book on the intarweb that may have some good info.

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ccB3CCAtYkC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=sleep+NMDA+receptors&source=bl&ots=JGlkc3q-6I&sig=C667SObFlnQuh2zO5mSa5Z2JAiw&hl=en&ei=kXBvSvXBM46eMcuw9OMI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10

It notes: "Prolactin, which is elevated if its secretion is not inhibited by dopamine and other factors, is an endogenous anxiolytic neuropeptide that reduces HPA axis and oxytocin responses in males and is partly responsible for their postcoital sexual refractory period by inhibiting mesocorticolimbic DA secretion. Male CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome?)  patients often relapse after orgasm, because they often do not have enough dopamine and norepinephrine reserve to perform independent activities of daily living even prior to ejaculation, or because their catecholamine autoreceptors are hypersensitive."
Hi Defsync, very interesting post. Some people here took wellbutrin which is acting on dopamine and norepinephrine without much success (please correct me if I'm wrong) so there are perhaps other factors involved with these ones.

hi im joe, 18 and just found out about pois about a 5 months ago i know forsure i have it my main problem is the clouded thoughts after orgasm and social trouble but ive found in my drug experimenting days that xanex helped with my pois i was more social and ppl liked how i acted better and i felt like the real me but everytime i try to stop i go for a week top then the smallest thing like a picture of a hot babe or my girlfriend texting me and talking dirty will get me horny and i have to do it but i dont like it becus of what happens after and for a week and a half straight ive whacked since i was 12 used to everyday not nowing how bad it is and never noticed until now about the pois i mostly get hungry after orgasm my head feels weird sometimes itchy eyes and i get real hungry but if anyone has found a remedy for this at all plz reply ill check daily p.m. me anything to help too i want to stop masturbatingidont know how hard it will be and i dont know if that will help stop the pois will it? ill stop if it makes me SANE again...

i would also like to know if this has any negative inpact long-term on the brain
Hi Joe, according to a medical book (from 1976) sexual abstinence is possible while keeping a good health. At your age and with a girlfriend it can be more difficult. Unfortunately I don't have the absolute truth ... my suggestion could be to do exercise (endurance involved), find several books about good diets for exercise, it will help to reduce sexuality if POIS is a problem. If you're really not well and want to stop med see a good MD.

By the way you're an other case helped with benzo ..
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5105 on: 29/07/2009 20:50:50 »
Has anybody else tried Nytol Herbal immediately following orgasm?

For the first couple of nights after an orgasm, I have very poor (practically no) sleep, waking up constantly with heart (and mind) racing. I recall that this problem sleeping is quite a common symptom for POIS sufferers.
So, recently I've been taking Nytol Herbal sleeping pills immediately following orgasm (and the next evening) which certainly helps me sleep AND crucially, I believe it significantly lessens my POIS.

Nytol Herbal contains "Hops, Valerian and Passion Flower".

It would be interesting if somebody else could give it a try.

Regards

Pantaloon

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« Reply #5106 on: 29/07/2009 21:42:38 »
Dear POIS co-sufferers,

I am a 25 yo European male suffering from POIS for the last 5-6 years and I have recently found out about some stuff not mentioned here yet. In case my experience helps someone, I decided to share my story with you.

My health problems started maybe 7 years ago and included fatigue, growing brain fog, bad memory and in the last few years hairloss all over the head. 18 months ago a coincidence led me to searching for information on health on the internet. So began my quest for regaining my health. After going through some wild alternative medical theories (alkalizing the body - doesnīt work, taking great amounts of iodine - some help, anti-candida diet - no help ... ) I found out about hair tissue mineral analysis (HTMA). I had a test done any the results indicated serious adrenal burnout. I started the recommended diet and got noticeably better but my progress stopped a month later (I am on the diet to the day and still feel worse when I go off it). So began the second wave of my searching for medical information, this time I hit hormones. I had my thyroid checked - with a TSH of 0.58 and T4, T3, FT4 up in the upper thirds of normal ranges, my thyroid works perfectly. My morning blood cortisol came back at 453 (normal 118-618), DHEAS 8.2 (normal 0.95 - 11.9), Total Testosterone 21.86 (9.9 - 27.8), Aldosterone 296.6 (30-300) .. all the hormone tests I had done were not only in normal ranges, they were in healthy ranges!

So, I have gone through the "It is probably in your head" type of stupidity many times, being treated like a psycho. However, I knew that the thing was nutritional or at least seated in my body, since taking antidepressant did absolutely nothing for me at the age of 18. So I read up on people being high on copper. These people need to take certain copper antagonists (like Molybdenum, zinc, sulphur) and avoid copper containing foods. And since a copper toxicity takes a lot of time to show on a hair test and I had a strong suspicion it might be my case, I decided to give these antagonists a try. This is my third week on a specially designed copper antagonising supplement regimen and I am getting better by the day. Most of all, during all of those POIS filled years, I could never go without a nocturnal emission if I tried to abstain from sex for more than a week. After each ejaculation my life turned into a suffering for a few days. Since I couldnīt go without an ejaculation for more than a week, my life was pretty much halved into periods of feeling bad and feeling like the biggest loser of the world. Now with the supplements, the story is different - tomorrow it will be my third week without a nocturnal or voluntary ejaculation and I just feel fine. Another improvements that I have encountered during those three weeks were increased physical stamina, much sharper thinking and some others.

So what is the point of my message? 1/ POIS need not be caused by hormones. (I had prolactin checked too, I have been taking some L-DOPA containing supplements and these didnīt really help either)
2/ There is this thing called orthomolecularism, that tried to treat a person via shifting the biochemistry using nutritional
supplements. Even though HTMA is definitely not perfect, sometines it is all we have.

I wish my experience shed some new light at the problem of POIS for someone.

Good luck to all of you,
Daniel.

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« Reply #5107 on: 30/07/2009 02:37:08 »
Since I couldnīt go without an ejaculation for more than a week, my life was pretty much halved into periods of feeling bad and feeling like the biggest loser of the world.

2 things I learned in order to stop or lessen the nocturnal emissions:

1) lucid dreaming... you teach yourself to be able to take conscious control of a dream whenever you want... so if a dream at night turns "sexy" or w/e you can take control of it and wake yourself up immediately before anything happens

2) learn how to use the muscles that you control your urination with to the extent that when you feel the beginning of an orgasm coming on, you clench them with such ferocity, holding it for a period of at least 20 seconds, that it pretty much halts the orgasm at the beginning, and you only emit a small amount of seminal fluid. This can be used ala lucid dreaming if in the dream you cannot maintain control and you feel the beginnings of an orgasm. This method is also used by kama sutra followers to "orgasm without ejaculation", although its not really a full-on orgasm in the sense that all the endorphins and seminal fluids are released (hence the benefit of this method in regards to POIS). In the kama sutra you do this a couple times and then you can supposedly have sex for a lonnnnngggg time since after each of these it desensitizes you somewhat. With this method you only get about, I'd say, 10-15% of the POIS symptoms you normally get with a 100% orgasm.

3) subliminal suggestion- surprisingly this works rather well. As you lay in bed, waiting to fall asleep, you say at least ten times something to the effect of "I will not dream of sex tonight. I will not have an orgasm tonight when I'm asleep". And by saying it I mean you ahve to vocalize it sternly, not whisper it or go over it in your head.

I've used these 3 methods together for the last 4 years to maintain practically 99%ish abstinence (although with #2 there are very minor POIS symptoms, like i mentioned). So over 1400+ days I've only had about maybe 4 full nocturnal emissions.

Pretty good success rate, if you ask me.

How to teach yourself how to lucid dream: as you lay in bed waiting for sleep, you vocalize "I will take control of my dream tonight." at least 10+ times. You also sleep with a moderately bright light on.

The lucid dreaming masks that you can buy on the internet work by detecting when you are in REM sleep, then flashing a light in succession, which supposedly you will notice while dreaming, but not intense enough to wake you up. I really dont find these expensive masks in the least bit necessary. Just keep trying my method every night until you finally find yourself able to take control of a dream at will. On the plus side, the skill is like riding a bicycle, once you learn it, you dont forget it. =) I was fortunate enough to have already learned how to lucid dream before I even hit puberty, just from reading some articles on it and figuring it out for myself. Once you can control a dream, you can visualize images into MUCH greater detail (for instance look at a tree once yer in control of the dream... you will notice every individual leaf that flutters in the wind, every nook and cranny of the bark.... if you reach out to touch the tree you will feel the roughness and texture of the bark). Now for those that dont have POIS, lucid dreaming is a fun way to load yer dream up with lots of hot hot girls and have wild crazy dream sex you never ever thought in your wildest imagination you'd be able to have =) but of course save that for after you find yourself a cure lol


Hope this helps =P
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« Reply #5108 on: 30/07/2009 05:36:44 »

Defsync, lucid dreaming is one of the most fascinating experiences of my life. I didn't use the mask, but the MILD (Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreaming) technique that Stephen LaBerge, the Stanford pioneer who developed it and wrote about it in his books. He also started the Lucidity Institute (lucidity.com). I met him a couple times, very interesting guy. But it became harder and harder for me to implement his approach. I assumed that getting older had something to do with it. But maybe I'll try the mask.

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« Reply #5109 on: 30/07/2009 05:58:12 »
TECH PROBLEMS UPDATE


TECH PROBLEMS

Is anyone else having problems with writing long posts or Private Messages?

When the writing gets to a certain length, the preview box that we write in "snaps back" on me and I can't see what I'm typing. So the only way around this is to copy and paste into Word, then copy and paste back to the POIS thread.

I've been complaining about this to Naked Science Forum people.

If you have the same problem with long posts/PM's, please PM me about it, or post about it here.

THANKS!



Martin, and John21, thank you very much for all your input regarding this problem some of us have had in posting and sending messages. It's been going on now for several months.

An admin from Naked Science Forum (NSF) couldn't replicate the problem, so he was unable to offer a solution. Martin wrote up a way to replicate it and I sent it on to NSF admin.

John also wrote about his experience and suggestion and I passed that on as well.

Here's what NSF had to say about John's PM:


That is increadibly useful. I have looked it up and found that there is a bug in ie8 which due to bizzarre reasons breaks text areas when their width is set as a percentage. I think I have now used a fixed width on ie8 and hopefully that will help.

sorry.


So, finally....a breakthrough!! (I hope)

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« Reply #5110 on: 30/07/2009 06:08:49 »

From demo: "Let me know the Switzerland telephone charges by PM for reimbursement."

What does this mean?


It means, to send me a Private Message (PM) with your telephone costs to call WHO in Switzerland, so that you can be reimbursed. It seems that you had lengthy conversations.
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« Reply #5111 on: 30/07/2009 06:15:19 »

helpimsad and Danny_Boy, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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« Reply #5112 on: 30/07/2009 06:24:01 »

helpimsad and Danny_Boy,, this post might help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this POIS forum:


SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: over 2 years' worth of posts from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found on the Internet, but not on this forum.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.


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« Reply #5113 on: 30/07/2009 07:45:53 »
POIS WEBSITE - Under Construction!

Mat (our hands-on, volunteer/web designer) and I, your trusted servant, have begun a website...

Please let's not use the forum to discuss this. Private Message to me is best for now.

Let's please keep it simple for now! The discussions that Mat and I have had over just this simple beginning tells me that it could go on forever if we become nitpicky about it. (But we certainly don't want any misrepresentation).

If the private messages become unwieldy, we'll have to form a small "Web Committee", not something I'm fond of.

Let's keep in mind that we simply need to start. EVERYTHING can be changed.

As you surely know, we do not have a budget for this. So PLEASE don't compare what we need (just a decent web presence) to producing a Masterpiece To Behold For Centuries To Come  [:)]

So, here it is:

http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/

Let the fun begin...........

THANK YOU, MAT!!
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« Reply #5114 on: 30/07/2009 08:02:00 »

And thank you, B_Jim, for more than 2 years of solid dedication to this forum!!

And maybe, B_Jim, someone, some day, will inform me what that "Hero Member" means. (I do like Hero Sandwiches).
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« Reply #5115 on: 30/07/2009 08:23:57 »
POIS treatment update

Marched (actually drove) over to the University Lab today. My endocrinologist is monitoring my progress, including labwork, about every two months now.

Today, blood was drawn for measuring Testosterone, including Total Testosterone, Bioavailable Testosterone, and Free Testosterone.

Prolactin was measured once again. My readings have been very high, but the endocrinologist doesn't seem too concerned.

Basic Metabolic Panel, which measures sugar (glucose) level, electrolyte and fluid balance, and kidney function.

Hemoglobin was also measured. And another panel that looks at calcium and other similar data. And Complete Blood Count (CBC).

Results available in 2 days, appointment with the endocrinologist next week.

I have 7 months experience now with this POIS diagnosis and treatment and I'm very pleased, and I feel very optimistic that, with all of us working together, we can eventually eliminate this scourge!

Our ability to positively deal with physicians about POIS has increased dramatically.

I'm certain that our small band of sleuths here, without a budget, have accomplished as much or more than some medical research testing facility with endless budgets yet low-to-medium motivation.

We're motivated!
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« Reply #5116 on: 30/07/2009 08:57:24 »

TECH PROBLEM UPDATE

I forgot to mention that Martin has had success by using Mozilla Firefox. Something worth trying if you are still having the "jumping" problem.

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« Reply #5117 on: 30/07/2009 09:25:44 »

We've exceeded 350,000 page views of this thread!

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« Reply #5118 on: 30/07/2009 11:04:19 »
Wow this thread is great!  [::)] Nice work on starting a POIS website too!

A few observations from which you can hopefully draw some theories...

What about Celiac disease being a factor? I would like to inquire about this on a Celiac forum. It has many issues to the best of my knowledge including deficits in Essential Fatty Acids, Amino Acids, Vitamins, Minerals etc? So the point is that when these things are not absorbed into the body, a myriad of things can go wrong; potentially leading to imbalances causing POIS.

A FEW examples of perhaps HUNDREDS of possibilities: B-12 deficiency messes with your mind and energy- could this be more noticeable with POIS? Could it become worse over days/weeks time as these or other vitamins are slowly depleted from liver storage? D vitamin deficiency is significant since it is considered more like a steroid by some.

Also with Celiac being an autoimmune disease, it could release harmful substances and or damage areas related to POIS.

Some things that people are trying may not be working due to lack of absorption/metabolization/etc.

I decided to try a gluten free diet, take every common vitamin and mineral.

The most significantly positive things I have tried include going gluten free, taking a B multivitamin, taking vitamin D for my deficiency, and taking a B-12 methlcobalamin? sublingual megadose. Any theories as to why B-12 sublingual might decrease brain fog, depression, chronic fatigue?

Sorry if i'm rambling too much but my mind is exploding with ideas that I am really happy to throw out for such a cause. I hope this has given you some food for thought. Has anyone else tried eating gluten free or taking sublingual B-12 with B-multi?



 

 
   

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« Reply #5119 on: 30/07/2009 12:09:47 »
I forgot to tell you about my blood test (made some hours after 2 orgasms). So according to reference values all hormones are normal, but my testosterone level is high . Do you think that's normal?
I read that decreasing level of testosterone results with a stress, the latter is the cause of some skin problems (as I have). If I have high testosterone level what could it be?  [???] [???] [???]

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« Reply #5120 on: 30/07/2009 17:03:44 »
Defsync, thank you for the information. I have been doing all kinds of tantra practices to hold my juices in, to no avail. Really, supplementing molybdenum was the thing in this matter for me.

Dear B_Jim,

I definitely agree, that there are more causes of POIS. I just didnīt want anybody to belive that POIS implies bad hormone situation. Also, on the realthyroidhelp.com forum I have read about a young man having testosterone level of ~200 (measured in the units, where the healthy range is 800-1000), and he was having no problems with either getting an erection or being knocked out after an ejaculation. So neither "low hormones implies POIS" holds in all cases.

As for adrenal fatigue. I donīt think I have any (clearly proved by the blood tests). This is the reason why I said that the hair test is definitely not perfect (some living tissue tests would be better, but I know of no place, where they take a sample of your, say, tigh muscle and analyze it). It said I had AF even though I had none.

The copper thing, as far as I understand it, goes like this. Wilsonīs disease is an inborn disease of copper metabolism, so cooper toxicity and Wilsonīs are two different things in the way orthomolecularism sees it. Copper toxicity simply means that the body has accumulated more copper than it should and now copper is sitting at some sites/enzymes etc. where other elements should be, making metabolism less efficient. I have been taking Zinc supplements over the last years too, to no avail. The problem with zinc, as I read, is that it is only an absorption antagonist. Zinc creates a protein, that inhibits the uptake of copper in the intestines. Hence, if you already are high on copper, zinc will only help you slow down the aggravation of the situation, but will do nothing in order for your body to get rid of the excess copper. This is why other nutrients must be taken (like sulphur any molybdenum).

I momentarily follow this regimen:
3x a day 5mg manganese
4x a day 150 mcg Molybdenum
3x a day 2g of MSM (for sulphur)
3x a day 200mcg niacin bound chromium
3x a day 10mg of ZMA (zinc bound to L-monomethionine)

All of this is supposed to help the body get rid of excess copper and iron (when copper goes high, iron retention goes high).

Here goes a private theory of mine. As a kid + adolescent, I used to overmasturbate a lot. Men lose zinc when they come, so I was low on zinc and my body was open to taking up excessive amounts of copper for years (thatīs how I think I got copper toxic). So I believe that getting rid of excessive copper and replacing it with zinc, I can get better even from the POIS perspective. A pro of this theory is that it sounds at least a bit logical. On the other hand, if every guy who overmasturbated when he was young, was sufering from POIS, this forum would be much larger. It is true, that some congenital copper overload might have happenned, but... This uncertainty of things brings me to the next paragraph.

Here I think I should add something like a disclaimer. After being involved for more than a year in this health regaining quest I know that absolutely nothing works 100%. I was told that everything was in my head - wrong. That antidepressants would help me - wrong. That I would get better if I ate only meat for 2 months - wrong (this is good for weight loss though:). That getting superdoses of iodine would make me disease-free - wrong. That practising yoga would heal me completely - no no. That eating systemic proteolytic enzymes would make me super healthy - wrong. That I would get healthy by just following a given diet - you know the answer for that one too. So, nothing is for sure. I just donīt want anybody to be disappointed if this copper thing doesnīt prove to work out for them, if it makes them feel worse (which is likely to happen according to orthomolecularism authorities, as copper starts being dumped out of places, where it was put by the body to do as little harm as possible), etc. Sometimes I have the feeling that I am just trying to make sense out of thin air, but when you take a look at doctors not knowing what the body works like, the growing prevalence of nearly any disease, you get the feeling that they are not doing much better than I am (we are).

Danny

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« Reply #5121 on: 30/07/2009 18:00:30 »


THISFORUMROCKS!, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS forum resources which may be helpful to you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 100 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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« Reply #5122 on: 30/07/2009 18:04:20 »


THISFORUMROCKS!, this post might help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this POIS forum:


SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: over 2 years' worth of posts from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found on the Internet, but not on this forum.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

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« Reply #5123 on: 30/07/2009 18:08:10 »
Nice work on the webpage!  Is there a link to this forum?

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« Reply #5124 on: 30/07/2009 21:50:36 »
Thanks Mat,Demo for the website!

Has anybody else tried Nytol Herbal immediately following orgasm?
.... I've been taking Nytol Herbal sleeping pills immediately following orgasm (and the next evening) which certainly helps me sleep AND crucially, I believe it significantly lessens my POIS. Nytol Herbal contains "Hops, Valerian and Passion Flower".
Good suggestion. Passion flower contains chrysin which blocks the conversion of testosterone to estrogen.
Recently I had good success for insomnia in POIS after eating cooked leeks...(I don't eat this usually so it can be a temporary effect) 

These people need to take certain copper antagonists (like Molybdenum, zinc, sulphur) and avoid copper containing foods. And since a copper toxicity takes a lot of time to show on a hair test and I had a strong suspicion it might be my case, I decided to give these antagonists a try. This is my third week on a specially designed copper antagonising supplement regimen and I am getting better by the day.
Danny your experience is interesting, really hope it will continue. We talked about excessive copper before but it wasn't mentionned if this was causing POIS. As I said in my first post here my POIS is definitely and considerably increased when eating raw vegetables (high ratio copper/zinc) but I don't know if it can be related. (vitamin C is also a problem for me)

Defsync, I tried "suggestion" a lot to avoid NEs while sexually abstinent but I had no success. It's sure that I didn't try as much as you did.. Also I already said this a long time before, I had some bad effects (kind of depression) from antihistamines taken every evening for a while to avoid NEs. I can say I'm not the same person since I tried this.
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« Reply #5125 on: 30/07/2009 22:23:43 »
I went back to MD and again was told to take antidepressants. I refused 3 times. I explained all about POIS, that I can be well without antidepressants if I stay sexually abstinent etc.. It seems I have been taken seriously because she started talking about possible adrenal problem and I have been refered to 2 differents endo (I didn't ask for even one). Note that this MD never heard about POIS before, it was just based on my symptoms.
She said all my tests are normal including TSH..
She suggested to ask for a catecholamines test (I didn't ask her for this too) to the endo and to tell all my story like I did with her. Additional blood tests from hospital, in POIS day 3:
Total T: 10 (7.9-23.5)
SHBG: 23 (9-46)
T free cal: 217 (182-564)
T bio cal: 5.9 (4.4-13.6)

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« Reply #5126 on: 31/07/2009 00:24:01 »
Dear All,

Thank you!!! for this superb forum!!!
Such a great forum deserved to have its own website!

Remember to add to your bookmarks our brand new website. With time we will expand its content… and hopefully, one day we will add the solution to our problem!

Here goes one more time  [;)]
http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite

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« Reply #5127 on: 31/07/2009 00:31:20 »
mat780

Very nice job

Congratulations and thank you

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« Reply #5128 on: 31/07/2009 00:39:48 »

Mat, thanks once again! And thanks for the upbeat/optimistic conclusion of one day including POIS solutions!

I just sent you the changes you asked about.
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« Reply #5129 on: 31/07/2009 00:47:06 »

I went back to MD and again was told to take antidepressants. I refused 3 times. I explained all about POIS, that I can be well without antidepressants if I stay sexually abstinent etc.. It seems I have been taken seriously because she started talking about possible adrenal problem and I have been refered to 2 differents endo (I didn't ask for even one). Note that this MD never heard about POIS before, it was just based on my symptoms.
She said all my tests are normal including TSH..
She suggested to ask for a catecholamines test (I didn't ask her for this too) to the endo and to tell all my story like I did with her. Additional blood tests from hospital, in POIS day 3:
Total T: 10 (7.9-23.5)
SHBG: 23 (9-46)
T free cal: 217 (182-564)
T bio cal: 5.9 (4.4-13.6)


Martin, it's very encouraging how you turned the physician around from "it's all in your head", to taking you seriously!

We can all learn from this!

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« Reply #5130 on: 31/07/2009 00:51:50 »
wow the new site is looking awesome.. i think a doctor who is led to such a site would be quite amazed at how much research has been done by the sufferers here, and I doubt after chking the site out he could look a POIS sufferer in the face and say "its all in your head". great job!

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« Reply #5131 on: 31/07/2009 01:01:01 »


Nice work on the webpage!  Is there a link to this forum?


Thanks, Limejuice! Yes, the very first link is to this forum. We created a "tiny link" for better appearance.

And thank you B_Jim, Martin, Pronobis, Defsync, and THISFORUMROCKS!, for the positive feedback!
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« Reply #5132 on: 31/07/2009 13:46:06 »
It's been a loooooong time since my last post, sorry. I'm very humbled by all the work that has been going on in my absence, I think it will take at least a month just to catch up! Thanks Demografx (hero member!) for your messages trying to get back in touch with me. I have only just seen these even though the last was sent back in March.

I've just tried to fill out Counterpoints Survey which I'm sorry to say I haven't done up to now. However, when I clicked the link provided by demografx on p218 (wow 218 pages!) I received a message saying there is a serious problem with the file server. I shall try again later (hopefully the data is not in jeopardy).

For my part, I am still very much a POIS sufferer and hope this time I really can get back to being pro-active again. I'm afraid I slipped into a routine of just getting on with life and realise I have become guilty of a habit of appearing briefly on the forum and then disappearing again. But you guys have the right idea and motivation. Well done and humble thanks for continuing to fuel such a vibrant breeding ground for research, ideas, outreach, companionship and inspiration.

I hope to contribute more in future
Best to all,

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« Reply #5133 on: 31/07/2009 20:44:16 »
Hi,

Good work with the website.  Please add a link to the survey: http://pois.olympe-network.com

Also, while I think the compendium is a good idea, and some great work has gone into it, it needs major revisions.  For example, listing "exercise" as unsuccessful is incorrect.... it has been moderately to highly successful, for several people.  I also think the subsequent orgasm effect, which has been mentioned many many times by me, and by other members also, should be described.... this is a very crucial observation. 

And there is no mention of the low sugar high protein diet, first described by B_Jim, which has probably been more generally successful than any other method we've discussed thus far.

Perhaps we should allow time for revisions of the compendium before public posting (I believe the currently uploaded compendium is the original version, and there have been many edits since then), or at least implement a wikipedia style system where edits are easy to make.  At the very least, I do not think it is presently in a state we should release to physicians and researchers.

In regards to the "show of hands" for a research study... we can get an idea of willing participants from the survey responses.  Those who filled out the survey have shown a willingness to take part in POIS research, and are reachable.  A second show of hands, (as is being done now), is still useful, to gauge current activity levels.... but it is worth mentioning we already have an estimate of this sort.

All the recent developments here are really encouraging. :)
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« Reply #5134 on: 01/08/2009 02:37:02 »

Hi,

Good work with the website.  Please add a link to the survey: http://pois.olympe-network.com


With Waldinger's paper, instead of giving it to anyone, I thought we'd create an incentive to join the forum here. So we're asking to first register at NSF (you need to in order to send/receive PM's), then send PM with regular email and PDF is returned.

Do you want to do that with the survey?

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« Reply #5135 on: 01/08/2009 02:55:34 »

It's been a loooooong time since my last post, sorry. I'm very humbled by all the work that has been going on in my absence, I think it will take at least a month just to catch up! Thanks Demografx (hero member!) for your messages trying to get back in touch with me. I have only just seen these even though the last was sent back in March.

I've just tried to fill out Counterpoints Survey which I'm sorry to say I haven't done up to now. However, when I clicked the link provided by demografx on p218 (wow 218 pages!) I received a message saying there is a serious problem with the file server. I shall try again later (hopefully the data is not in jeopardy).

For my part, I am still very much a POIS sufferer and hope this time I really can get back to being pro-active again. I'm afraid I slipped into a routine of just getting on with life and realise I have become guilty of a habit of appearing briefly on the forum and then disappearing again. But you guys have the right idea and motivation. Well done and humble thanks for continuing to fuel such a vibrant breeding ground for research, ideas, outreach, companionship and inspiration.

I hope to contribute more in future
Best to all,


mellivora, welcome back!

What a wonderful, inspirational tribute you wrote to this struggling group of naysayers! [;D] (Nah, I'm just describing myself!).

You wrote, "I am still very much a POIS sufferer and hope this time I really can get back to being pro-active again."

I find that, since I became pro-active a couple years ago, it helped a lot. And it probably contributed to my finding a successful treatment. At first, I was simply not fond of the idea of visiting an endocrinologist and doing a bunch of bloodtesting! Getting involved here, well, made me feel like a hypocrite for not doing that!

And when I'm in POIS-misery (I haven't fully escaped POIS, the zookeeper wants me around for posterity), reading, posting and helping others, once again, helps.

Take a look at the new website! A work in progress...
http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/

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« Reply #5136 on: 01/08/2009 03:53:39 »
A new photograph of Dr Waldinger was found on the internet:





Dr. Marcel D. Waldinger, neuropsychiatrist, Primary Investigator and author of the classic 2002 POIS Study. He has been in communication with our POIS Forum.

For a copy of his POIS study, send a private message to me with your regular email address and I will send you a PDF copy.

Marcel Waldinger, MD, PhD, is one of the leading PE (premature ejaculation) researchers in the world, and a staunch proponent of the neurobiological origin theory of the disorder.

Marcel D. Waldinger is a neuropsychiatrist and head of the Department of Consultative Psychiatry and the outpatient Department of Neurosexology at Leyenburg Hospital in The Hague in The Netherlands.

He is Associate Professor in Sexual Psychopharmacology at the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences of the University of Utrecht in The Netherlands.

Since 1992, Dr. Waldinger treats and investigates premature ejaculation (ejaculatio praecox) and other ejaculatory problems. In 1997 he received his PhD on this subject.

His renewing ideas and studies have been published in various scientific journals and daily newspapers.

The outpatient Department of Neurosexology of the Leyenburg Hospital in The Hague has been the most specialized outpatient clinic for the treatment of premature ejaculation in the Netherlands and Europe for the last 15 years.

His new book, Premature Ejaculation: The New Neuroscientific and Drug Treatment Approach, May 1, 2009 is now available at Amazon.com as a signup for notification when it becomes available.
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« Reply #5137 on: 01/08/2009 03:56:33 »


Dr. Dave Schweitzer, co-author of the original 2002 POIS Study with Dr. Marcel Waldinger, also in touch with our forum here, since 1994 internist-endocrinologist in Reinier de Graaf Groep, Netherlands. His interest is mainly in hormonal diseases and diseases of the metabolism. He does research on the endocrinology of sexuality and seriously overweight. His work is published in international journals.
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« Reply #5138 on: 01/08/2009 05:02:01 »


I forgot to tell you about my blood test (made some hours after 2 orgasms). So according to reference values all hormones are normal, but my testosterone level is high . Do you think that's normal?
I read that decreasing level of testosterone results with a stress, the latter is the cause of some skin problems (as I have). If I have high testosterone level what could it be?  [???] [???] [???]


Pronobis, I think that your physician is best equipped to answer this question, coupled with the rest of your medical history.

The link below might be a starting point for you, based on some searching for "high testosterone level in men", which is a fairly high-request search on Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=high+testosterone+level+in+men&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

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« Reply #5139 on: 01/08/2009 10:56:11 »
Dear martin88,

I urge you to find some real information on hormones (preferably at http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=5). If your doctor tells you, that you are fine because youīre "in the norm" and you trust him/her, you are making a mistake. There is a difference between normal and healthy ranges. Let me tell you, how "normal" is being constructed. You take, say, 150 people, take their blood, measure their hormones and design the range so that X% of those 150 people lie in that range. Obviously, this works fine, when the those sample people are healthy. When they are not and their hormonal levels are out of whack, you get a much wider range than you would get with healthy people. This is how it can happen, that 25 years ago a man was considered infertile when he had less than 100M spermia per ml of juice. Today, since the fertility rates are going down and the above described method is flawed, anybody having more  than 25M spermia per ml of juice is considered FERTILE! People suffering from thyroid disease are often told, that a TSH of, say, 2 is good, since the normal range is 0.XX - 4 (roughly). However, thyroid sufferers only feel good, when their TSH gets under 1.5 or so! When TSH is larger than that, they feel miserable independently on the type or quantity of medication. So, to sum this long article up..all of your testo is LOW! I didnīt see your thyroid labs, but FT4 should be in the upper third/quarter of the range to be healthy, TSH should be as low as possible (anything under 1 is superb). If you are from US, you are a lucky guy:) Contact Dr. John Crisler (http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm). He knows the difference between normal and healthy and has helped many men fighting testosterone deficiency.

For informational completenessī sake, I should add my personal experience with dieting. Low sugar, high protein, high fat diet is what keeps me going and strong. When I eat high carbo, not to mention vegetarian, diet, I get weak, tired, sleepy and depressed. Maybe, it all has something to do with high insulin (again donīt confuse normal and healthy), which is driven down by aerobic excercise that helps many folks here, including me.

I have read some discussions here on B vitamins. If you have homocystein above 6, you are probably low on B6 and or B12 and or folic acid. When it comes to good mood, which many people are fighting here to get, nothing helped me more, than the metabolized form of B6, namely P5P. A three month supply from Swansonīs costs $5. This is making me a very positive, funny and social type of person. Got me rid of depression in a week, when nothing helped (L-Thryptophan, 5-HTP..you name it).

I was wondering, what might have predetermined me to suffer from POIS and I would like to ask you guys, when you were babies, were you breastfed? I was prematurely born and I didnīt receive a single breast-feeding my entire life. BF makes the immune system strong (catching un on Coremanīs success with Alpha 20C for immunity), so maybe it is somehow involved in our problem. To test whether immunity has any effect on POIS, I will try two immune support products (EPICOR and Immunity essentials from Swansonīs) soon and report back with results.

All of you take care,
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« Reply #5140 on: 01/08/2009 17:14:26 »

Hi,

Good work with the website.  Please add a link to the survey: http://pois.olympe-network.com


With Waldinger's paper, instead of giving it to anyone, I thought we'd create an incentive to join the forum here. So we're asking to first register at NSF (you need to in order to send/receive PM's), then send PM with regular email and PDF is returned.

Do you want to do that with the survey?


I think the survey should be accessible to anyone (I don't want to risk losing any important info), although it might be useful to add a link in the survey to the forum, once the user has completed it.

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« Reply #5141 on: 01/08/2009 18:08:08 »
 
OH POIS, OH POIS, OH POIS      [;)]

I have just recently checked out an excellent website and forum called The DEFINITIVE MIND. It was created by a
doctor/psychiatrist named Dr. Mariano, who is extremely knowledgeable about hormone balancing and nutrition.
What a rare and amazing thing! Especially for someone trained as a psychiatrist! I am totally pleasantly shocked. 

I'd heard about this doctor before, from an ex-POIS forum member who has healed himself of POIS, but I never really
investigated it any further until now. As I recall, I've also heard Demo criticize this doctor, and dismiss him with one
fell swoop, and now I really wonder what he was thinking!

Any doctor who knows hormones and nutrition as well as this one does, and volunteers his time to answer questions of
forum members FOR FREE is not someone that you want to write off without a second thought! There is really good info
on that site, especially regarding hormone balancing. I hope you all check it out for yourselves and see what I mean.   

The links for the home page, followed by the forum are posted below. All the best to all of you in your healing quests. 


http://www.definitivemind.com/
http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

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« Reply #5142 on: 01/08/2009 18:51:09 »


I have just recently checked out an excellent website and forum called The DEFINITIVE MIND. It was created by a doctor/psychiatrist named Dr. Mariano...


Girlwind, I respect your knowledge about alternative
therapies, but I - and many other people - have serious reservations about Dr. Mariano and his controversial theories, which I have posted here.

As I mentioned in previous posts, I strongly encourage anyone to follow up with careful investigation before following any of his recommendations.

I don't wish to take any further time debating this.

Best wishes back to you, girlwind, in your healing quest!

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« Reply #5143 on: 01/08/2009 19:05:40 »
I think that everyone has the right to chose for themselves what type of healing they want to pursue.
I am merely providing what I consider to be among the best information that I've found on the internet
regarding hormonal balancing--for your further investigation. It's up to you what you do with it.

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« Reply #5144 on: 01/08/2009 19:15:22 »

I agree, girlwind. Many thanks!
« Last Edit: 01/08/2009 19:19:10 by demografx »

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« Reply #5145 on: 01/08/2009 21:05:52 »

The Placebo Effect

At least one person here said they don't really believe in "the placebo effect".

Here's a very interesting (and very short) video about it on WebMD:
http://www.webmd.com/video/placebo-power

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« Reply #5146 on: 01/08/2009 23:35:24 »
B_Jim

I have to warn you about that I am experiencing some side effects. Recently, my teeth started being sensitive and the sensitivity goes up, when I increase my dosage. Copper has something to do with calcium, so maybe in the next days, I will stop anti-Cu things and hit calcium and see whether it gets back to normal or whether my teeth are caused by something else.

As far as I know, you would need to eat a ton of garlic to get the benefit of 1g MSM, which is one capsule. If you decide to try MSM, donīt take it with Mo, since they antagonize each other.

Good luck,
D.

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« Reply #5147 on: 02/08/2009 00:12:46 »

Hi,

Good work with the website.  Please add a link to the survey: http://pois.olympe-network.com

I think the survey should be accessible to anyone (I don't want to risk losing any important info), although it might be useful to add a link in the survey to the forum, once the user has completed it.


OK, CP, it's in the works!

(I assume that you will take care of the survey link to the Forum. Please use the tiny url. It looks much better than the long, convoluted one). Thanks.

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« Reply #5148 on: 02/08/2009 01:11:35 »


I forgot to tell you about my blood test (made some hours after 2 orgasms). So according to reference values all hormones are normal, but my testosterone level is high . Do you think that's normal?
I read that decreasing level of testosterone results with a stress, the latter is the cause of some skin problems (as I have). If I have high testosterone level what could it be?  [???] [???] [???]


Pronobis, I think that your physician is best equipped to answer this question, coupled with the rest of your medical history.

The link below might be a starting point for you, based on some searching for "high testosterone level in men", which is a fairly high-request search on Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=high+testosterone+level+in+men&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


Thanks Demo,
I just wanted to know if it's same with you (or some of you). I don't think that my endoc is well informed about pois )))

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« Reply #5149 on: 02/08/2009 01:12:55 »
Is it possible to build this site in different languages?