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« Reply #6550 on: 10/01/2010 22:22:59 »

Laurac, I'll split it with you, but I'll have to take all the tomatoes because I can't handle clogged arteries after all that heart surgery! So the greasy bacon is all yours. Sorry   [;D]

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« Reply #6551 on: 10/01/2010 22:33:40 »

Congratulations Demo :)


Thank you, B_Jim!

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« Reply #6552 on: 11/01/2010 03:46:50 »
Wow, I am so glad I found this forum. I thought I was the only one. So what is working the best. After I masterbate or have sex i crave carbs. It is like I am high for 2 days to a week and can't concentrate. I will be like soo tired.

What is the best cure so far? I usually just drink lots of caffeine

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« Reply #6553 on: 11/01/2010 21:38:37 »
I have been diagnosed with neuralgia (headaches), tinnitus (ringing in the ear), PTSD and depression.
I was on gabapentin for a while, which worked great, actually too well.

While I was on gabapentin, you could literally hit me with a brick and I wouldn't even flinch.
I also noticed my drinking shot way up, since it seems to mask hangovers.
In fact, all of my gratuitous behaviors (including sex) increased.

I lost my job and medical coverage (predictably) and stopped taking the gabapentin.
The old symptoms came rushing back with a vengeance. Please, no sympathy for the devil.

Anyhow, I never liked being medicated. I have taken my condition into my own hands and I have been cleaning up my act for the past few months. I have stopped smoking, drinking, coffee, and now even sex. I am trying to isolate the cause of these symptoms.

If it turns out that "clean living" cures me, I am going to be at once grieved and relieved. Many lost years, but I will trade them all for any symptom free years.

I actually really hope its the sex thing - the last place I have looked. If it doesn't work, its back to the meds and associated risks.

BTW - its only through faith that I have been able to quit all the gratuitous behavior - I have simply traded the behavior for peace of mind and a sense of purpose - the promise of well-being rather than the pursuit of pleasure.

I will keep you all up to date, and invite all to join me in getting clean. It's the simple solution that is most often overlooked.

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« Reply #6554 on: 12/01/2010 05:52:04 »
eyestimuli08, and bigtalktheory, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for nearly 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
« Last Edit: 12/01/2010 06:10:17 by demografx »

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« Reply #6555 on: 12/01/2010 05:59:02 »
eyestimuli08, and bigtalktheory, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: almost 3 years' worth of posts (nearly 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.
« Last Edit: 12/01/2010 06:05:52 by demografx »

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« Reply #6556 on: 12/01/2010 08:35:57 »
john21
i found something interesting while researching opioid receptors effected by "LDN". i think its worth a try for a test.
endorphins and opioid receptors have now interested me more in researching cuases of pois.

here is what i found that caught my attention.
"Naltrexone has been shown to be effective in the reversal of sexual satiety and exhaustion in male rats.[15]"
 15-^ Fernández-Guasti A, Rodríguez-Manzo G. Pharmacological and physiological aspects of sexual exhaustion in male rats. Scand J Psychol. 2003 Jul;44(3):257-63. PMID 12914589
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naltrexone

there are a couple different kinds of opioid receptors found all through out the body that do differnt things.  maybe by blocking some of these i can stop a casade effect of neural chemical depletion. we already know that opioid receptors come into play somehow during orgasm when endorphins bind to them.

the naltrexone i take right now is only active in my blood for a coulple hours at night, so i will have to do a manual test on a rainy day.


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« Reply #6557 on: 12/01/2010 11:04:02 »
Lauracostis, I am interested in how you make out on this drug, and whether affects your POIS. Are you taking it mainly for depression? Did you have to convince your doctor to give it to you?

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« Reply #6558 on: 12/01/2010 12:04:07 »
"URGENT DANDRUFF

Hi everybody,

I have posted a similar question several times but I haven't got a right answer.
I have a dandruff since a year ago. I have got some product and I can treat it easily. But after each ejaculation it comes back in worst way (some hours after the ejaculation). Please tell me if you have the same problem and could it be due to POIS."

Prenobis - are you using a ketonazole shampoo by any chance?  That has some strange side effects.  See http://www.retaining-hair-health.com/2009/12/nizoral-ketonazole-shampoo.html What seems odd is the rapid onset of the condition post ejaculation.  Do you get really hot (temperature wise) or perspire a lot as this could cause an increase in the growth of Pityrosporum ovale which is the yeast responsible for dandruff.  Have you tried washing your hair immediately afterwards to see if that reduces the problem.  If not then it is probably not dandruff but some sort of eczema or similar dermatological condition worsened by chemical changes associated with sex.   

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« Reply #6559 on: 13/01/2010 06:27:31 »
Everyone: Looking at the 3rd post by BenV, I'm not exactly sure what the implication is for The POIS Thread. I'm asking around - demo

The following posts are from, "Is the Naked Scientists forum closing down?" For the latest posts, Click on "Forum" at the top of this page, then scroll down to 'Just Chat'.



Benjamin Valsler sent a message to the members of The Naked Scientists.

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Subject: The Naked Scientists Page

Hello Everyone!  We've decided to migrate everything over to the Naked Scientists Facebook page now, so we can keep track of all your questions and keep you updated about what we're up to.

If you haven't already, please join us at:
http://www.facebook.com/pag...es/The-Naked-Scientists/38242550838, because we'll be closing this group on the 12th March, and we don't want to lose you!

« Last Edit: 13/01/2010 06:42:40 by demografx »

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« Reply #6561 on: 13/01/2010 06:38:14 »

Nope, it's referring to the Naked Scientists group on facebook. We currently have both a "group" and a "page" on facebook, but want to concentrate on the "page" as it gives us more opportunity for interaction.

Nothing on thenakedscientists.com will change, we'll carry on here as normal, it's only facebook that will change.


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« Reply #6562 on: 13/01/2010 07:10:38 »
"URGENT DANDRUFF

Hi everybody,

I have posted a similar question several times but I haven't got a right answer.
I have a dandruff since a year ago. I have got some product and I can treat it easily. But after each ejaculation it comes back in worst way (some hours after the ejaculation). Please tell me if you have the same problem and could it be due to POIS."

Prenobis - are you using a ketonazole shampoo by any chance?  That has some strange side effects.  See http://www.retaining-hair-health.com/2009/12/nizoral-ketonazole-shampoo.html What seems odd is the rapid onset of the condition post ejaculation.  Do you get really hot (temperature wise) or perspire a lot as this could cause an increase in the growth of Pityrosporum ovale which is the yeast responsible for dandruff.  Have you tried washing your hair immediately afterwards to see if that reduces the problem.  If not then it is probably not dandruff but some sort of eczema or similar dermatological condition worsened by chemical changes associated with sex.   
i get a bit of dandrif also while in pois

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« Reply #6563 on: 13/01/2010 08:23:10 »
Latest news about Facebook


Hi Demo,

Don't Panic!  Nothing will change here, only the facebook group is changing.

Ben



Hi Chris, Hi Ben,

Can you please clarify Ben's post in Just Chat?

Will POIS have to move to Facebook?

Thanks,

Demo



Thanks, Ben!!

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« Reply #6564 on: 14/01/2010 04:33:00 »
I have been diagnosed with neuralgia (headaches), tinnitus (ringing in the ear), PTSD and depression.
I was on gabapentin for a while, which worked great, actually too well.

While I was on gabapentin, you could literally hit me with a brick and I wouldn't even flinch.
I also noticed my drinking shot way up, since it seems to mask hangovers.
In fact, all of my gratuitous behaviors (including sex) increased.

I lost my job and medical coverage (predictably) and stopped taking the gabapentin.
The old symptoms came rushing back with a vengeance. Please, no sympathy for the devil.

Anyhow, I never liked being medicated. I have taken my condition into my own hands and I have been cleaning up my act for the past few months. I have stopped smoking, drinking, coffee, and now even sex. I am trying to isolate the cause of these symptoms.

If it turns out that "clean living" cures me, I am going to be at once grieved and relieved. Many lost years, but I will trade them all for any symptom free years.

I actually really hope its the sex thing - the last place I have looked. If it doesn't work, its back to the meds and associated risks.

BTW - its only through faith that I have been able to quit all the gratuitous behavior - I have simply traded the behavior for peace of mind and a sense of purpose - the promise of well-being rather than the pursuit of pleasure.

I will keep you all up to date, and invite all to join me in getting clean. It's the simple solution that is most often overlooked.


I'm on that same path

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« Reply #6565 on: 14/01/2010 09:34:27 »
According to the following article from NINDS.NIH.GOV,

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/pml/pml.htm

"Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) is caused by the reactivation of a common virus in the central nervous system of immune-compromised individuals.  Polyomavirus JC"

"Typical symptoms associated with PML are diverse, since they are related to the location and amount of damage in the brain, and evolve over the course of several days to several weeks."

What if you substitute pois for "PML" or at least consider some possible connections?

What if during "O" pois sufferers immune defenses are somehow weakened or attacked?

Maybe for less immune compromised individuals the virus can be deactivated more easily than what is suggested in the article, which is about very/consistently immune compromised individuals.

Maybe loss of myelin around nerve fibers is less noticeable when on gabapentin.

In the article, treatment suggested for PML is "reversal of the immune-deficient state". One way suggested for doing this is "anti-retroviral therapy".

Has anyone discussed "anti-retroviral therapy" with their DOC, or the best ways to strengthen their immune system?

I like the concept of strengthening the immune system through LDN therapy. Best of luck Lauracostis! [^]
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« Reply #6566 on: 14/01/2010 22:16:00 »
THISFORUMROCKS,
i have looked into antiviral drugs for chronic fatigue syndrom.  the antiviral drugs you are looking for are expensive, about 2500$ per month.  you can get much cheaper nucleic acid synthesis inhibitors like famcyclovir and valtrex for cheap, but they probably wont do much for a retrovirus.

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« Reply #6567 on: 15/01/2010 00:35:11 »
Hello everyone, just introducing myself I am 27 and believe I now have textbook POIS. I will give a rundown on my problems and history. You will see it transitions from sexual exhaustion to now classic POIS symptoms. Apologies for length.

I am 27 years of Age.

Very horny teenager, masterbated alot
Experienced problems from 20's??
Worked in IT for nearly 10 years now, alot of computer use though even used alot of computer in my teens
Partying/ clubbing alcohol on weekends from 18-25
Had chronic muscle tightness and pain
Libido on decline
Something just wasn't right, I wasn't energetic, and was not happy mood. Easily prone to stress
Used to always go over things repeatedly in my head

Current problems are:
- 0 Libido, none at all
- Don't have the energy and spark and motivation to do things or to excel in my Work
- MOOD - Not happy although I should be, Very serious all the time, 80% of the time I'm down and moody. Don't joke much
- Muscle stiffness and pain when touch, Muscles don't feel as strong as they should be (I am fairly solid)
- Last year have put on weight, So i think my metabolism is down
- At times I would wake up feeling un refreshed and just no energy throughout day. Everything a chore
POIS SYMPTOMS Over the last year I have developed post ejaculation problems
- Groggy hangover feeling, crash, irritable, mood swing, muscle tightness, flu symptoms, muscles would lose elasticity neck and shoulder would tense up and I would feel hot Lasts 3-5 days
When these symptoms subside I would just go back to feeling how I do most of the time, which is just not 100%
Over the last 6 months has not been so severe, now lasts 1-3 days. And I no longer get the immediate heat and neck stiffness.
Difference?? From my blood tests my cortisol and DHEA level was in the low range (But still considered normal)and usually I would feel better after eating a meal, So I started to treat adrenals, I was taking B and C vitamins, Magnesium, Zinc, But I also try to build stronger dopamine system to block the crash, so eating more protein, eggs, taking GABA, 5htp, L-glutamine

So I cant say which of the above is what has helped as the change was all at same time

CURRENTLY: So I no longer have the big crashes through out day (adrenals?) but I still feel sh1t
- I'm not happy
- Depressive mood
- Occasional morning erection 3 or 4 times a week?
- I get the POIS symptoms after sex most of the times but there has been odd occasions where Its only lasted 1 day and i recover alot quicker.
Recently I had sex then very early in morning i woke up and had severe hayfever, sneezing, itchy throat and eyes, worst I have had. Though I did not have the groggy hangover feeling, i was just mildly out of it and seem to recover in that day. So the next day i ended up having sex again and the next day I had 0 POIS symptoms, just the usual crap feeling i have which I now consider normal compared to POIS days.

After writing this, my neck stiffness is here, so can easily flare up from computer or stress.
TREATMENT
If anyone has any comments please feel free, I would like to get an idea of where i go from here? There is a very good Doctor here in Australia who specialises in thyroid, adrenal, hormone and anti aging. I am thinking of seeing her but at $300/hr i want to make sure I have all the right information and Know what to ask for with regards to blood/hormone tests etc. So if anyone can comment Thanks

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« Reply #6568 on: 15/01/2010 21:28:03 »

hazey, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for nearly 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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« Reply #6569 on: 16/01/2010 02:01:15 »
hazey, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: almost 3 years' worth of posts (nearly 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

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« Reply #6570 on: 16/01/2010 23:27:44 »
"URGENT DANDRUFF

Hi everybody,

I have posted a similar question several times but I haven't got a right answer.
I have a dandruff since a year ago. I have got some product and I can treat it easily. But after each ejaculation it comes back in worst way (some hours after the ejaculation). Please tell me if you have the same problem and could it be due to POIS."

Prenobis - are you using a ketonazole shampoo by any chance?  That has some strange side effects.  See http://www.retaining-hair-health.com/2009/12/nizoral-ketonazole-shampoo.html What seems odd is the rapid onset of the condition post ejaculation.  Do you get really hot (temperature wise) or perspire a lot as this could cause an increase in the growth of Pityrosporum ovale which is the yeast responsible for dandruff.  Have you tried washing your hair immediately afterwards to see if that reduces the problem.  If not then it is probably not dandruff but some sort of eczema or similar dermatological condition worsened by chemical changes associated with sex.   
i get a bit of dandrif also while in pois

For dandruff, I can highly recommend the medicated shampoos that contain ketoconazole..but get the one that is at 2%. This was the only shampoo that actually helped me in this regard. I did not use it continually though.
I have sometimes suffered from eczema when I have been particularly unwell, and used a tropical cortisoid lotion with great outcome.
I suffered from dandruff for years. It came on the same time as I got POIS. While the ketoconazole shampoos helped and avoiding sugar + junk food also definitely helped, the biggest break through (basically it cured it) for me was testosterone replacement therapy. I have heard 2 other guys make the same observation when they started on TRT as well, though as far as I am aware dandruff is not a 'classic' sign of low testosterone.

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« Reply #6571 on: 17/01/2010 23:50:59 »

acronym, as you probably know, TRT has cured my POIS at about 90% average.

Just curious, what dosage strength do you use? (I use 15mg daily via T-patches)

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« Reply #6572 on: 18/01/2010 00:53:35 »

I think the moderator just wants me to go away...


Not true!

I see huge improvement in the form of give-and-take. Keep in mind that we have had true disrupters here from time to time, with massive hidden agendas and not-in-the-least-interested in exchanging ideas. It's not always easy to identify early on, and in some cases waiting way too long - giving people more and more leeway - has proven detrimental to the forum.

So I apologize if I've been too hasty!

no, definitely no hidden agenda,
it is purely a concern for other peoples well-being, because i've gone through it
and know how depressing this problem can be.

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« Reply #6573 on: 18/01/2010 02:05:54 »
Hi guys!

Im just curious about our body weight... Is there any similarities or does it varies a lot among us? Im very skinny guy, not much at all fat/muscles under my skin, no matter what i eat or do. Always been like that. 186cm / 65kg ( 6'1" / 143.3)  It feels that it is impossible for me getting fat or muscles. So im wondering has it anything to do with POIS symptoms.  [???]

It is kinda funny that i used to eat lot of candies in order to feel a bit better/feeling a bit energetic some years ago but i had no change on my weight. Now i have stopped to eat candies and white sugar.

I think ive been able to cut a bit my POIS recovery time by taking 15mg zinc supplement/day, some D-vitamin supplement, eating more eggs (2/day), more meat, also high proteine cheese. Im also eating often honey and raisins in order to try to fill up my body energy resources. If eating like this i start to feel better after ejaculation usually in 1-2 days...before it was something like 1 week. Full recovery takes now about 3-4 days. When i start to feel horny, i also start to feel a lot better, and now it happens usually in 3-4 days  [::)]

Still it is annoying that have to feel depressed/sad/unhappy/powerless/cold/allergy symptoms 1-2 days. Btw, the allergy symptoms makes me crazy, i need to scratch every part of my body and i get little red spots/pimples + with that get bad muscle tension/pain and myokymia...  [:(!]

I suppose here has been talking about over-masturbation? Im wondering could POIS symptoms come from it? Like i masturbated like crazy in my 13-23 ages before my body came more sick and got worse POIS symptoms.

Ive tried to search info about that and follow some hints, like here:
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/48321/

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« Reply #6574 on: 18/01/2010 08:01:30 »
Do majority of people here only have problems post orgasm? What about in between?
I know that even if I hold off for weeks, my body and mood is just not right. I'm still:
- sensitive to stress
- Not happy, dull feeling, no excitement

And I'm also coming to the conclusion that if I'm stressed or not feeling well and I have sex I dont feel as strong and confident in wanting to orgasm, then this usually results in pois

If I am feeling relaxed and no stress then I usually feel more confident and willing to orgasm which most of the time results in very very minor pois.

Also when I am more relaxed and confident to orgasm, I usually have a firmer erection and my orgasm is stronger my sperm is thicker and not watery.
But if I have a bad orgasm and it was ordinary with watery sperm then I will get pois.

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« Reply #6575 on: 18/01/2010 11:36:16 »
Do majority of people here only have problems post orgasm? What about in between?
I know that even if I hold off for weeks, my body and mood is just not right...
Well, that sounds like myself before. Weeks after weeks just depressed and so on. Things began to come better when i radically changed my eating habits and decreased ejaculation times.

Yeah, and i know that feeling, having pre-POIS or something (low mood, no much energy, not feeling horny, not so wanting orgasm, not relaxed, low self-confidence), if having then ejaculation it leads to more severe POIS symptoms. Sometimes i do this mistake bcause wanting so much feeling a bit better...but usually it just leads to worse condition.

Im not sure yet but i feel too that if im feeling really horny, confident and then having sex/masturbate really concentrated on what doing/the good feeling without thinking anything else than the great pleasure moment, i dont have so much POIS symptoms afterwards. I have a problem that my mind tends to travel around and my eyes looks around, not concentrating and enjoying so much, not relaxed, not letting happen it naturally. Ive tried to get rid of this annoying habit.

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« Reply #6576 on: 18/01/2010 16:44:10 »
Welcome Itsmebutwho?.
You know, there are 50-60 old men starting to have Pois symptoms after intercourses. So, talking over-masturbation is not correct. Dispite a difference between masturbation and sexual intercourse is possible. And stopping ejaculation will never be a therapy. It's just avoiding symptoms. We want to return to a normal sexual life, not abstinence for life. Your symptoms are close to mine (especially underweight, myokymia...).
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I think itchings and scratchings during Pois days might be a sign that endorphins are involved.

Very interesting article :

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Endorphins and enkephalins are important opioid neurotransmitters in the CNS that mediate the sensation of itch. Although morphine alleviates pain, it aggravates itch, as itch and pain share common neurological pathways. The central elicitation of itch by morphine results from binding to opioid receptors and this binding may mimic normal physiological binding of endorphins and enkephakins at these receptor sites. Naloxone, an opioid antagonist, has been found to reduce histamine-provoked itch.

I think it might be the best explanation for immediate or early Pois symptoms.

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Hazey, in the past I felt normal between good between cycles. Now, I'm sensible to stress.


I 100% agree - this 'over-masturbation' term is not correct at all, its total rubbish, because the majority of men can masturbate alot and never get POIS. It maybe a case of 'how' you do it rather than how much.
A full recovery is possible despite how much masturbating you have done in the past, its a case 'unwinding' some the tightness that has been accumulated over a life time of stress.

I also agree with the 'itch' analysis.
When I was recovering from POIS I noticed one of my testicles felt 'tickly', like I just wanted to scratch it,
but the itch was too internal and out of reach,
the although the tickle sensation felt good it would alternate between
'fearful' feelings, like I was about to feel pain, which would cause me to lock my hip muscles, in case I felt a zap of pain.
Over time I learnt how to relax and stay released through these feelings getting rid of the 'tickle' and POIS.

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« Reply #6577 on: 18/01/2010 21:24:51 »

[Mine] is purely a concern for other peoples well-being, because i've gone through it
and know how depressing this problem can be.


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« Reply #6578 on: 18/01/2010 21:30:50 »

Itsmebutwho?, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for nearly 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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« Reply #6579 on: 18/01/2010 21:32:06 »

Itsmebutwho?, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: almost 3 years' worth of posts (nearly 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

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« Reply #6580 on: 18/01/2010 22:19:35 »
B_Jim, maybe the article you posted explains my extremely unusual fingertips' sensations during POIS? (It was very difficult reading for me, highly technical).

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« Reply #6581 on: 19/01/2010 00:17:20 »
I think it's important to remember a past conversation that's barried in our thread. I experience POIS-like symptoms during specific non-sexual activties (not just orgasm). 

These simple activities include:

- swallowing
- a hard workout
- eating carbs

The duration and intesity of symptoms resulting in these activies are shorter and less dramatic.

Can anyone add other activities to this list?

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« Reply #6582 on: 19/01/2010 01:01:31 »
Welcome Itsmebutwho?.
You know, there are 50-60 old men starting to have Pois symptoms after intercourses. So, talking over-masturbation is not correct. Dispite a difference between masturbation and sexual intercourse is possible. And stopping ejaculation will never be a therapy. It's just avoiding symptoms. We want to return to a normal sexual life, not abstinence for life. Your symptoms are close to mine (especially underweight, myokymia...).
--
I think itchings and scratchings during Pois days might be a sign that endorphins are involved.

Very interesting article :

Quote
Endorphins and enkephalins are important opioid neurotransmitters in the CNS that mediate the sensation of itch. Although morphine alleviates pain, it aggravates itch, as itch and pain share common neurological pathways. The central elicitation of itch by morphine results from binding to opioid receptors and this binding may mimic normal physiological binding of endorphins and enkephakins at these receptor sites. Naloxone, an opioid antagonist, has been found to reduce histamine-provoked itch.

I think it might be the best explanation for immediate or early Pois symptoms.

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Hazey, in the past I felt normal between good between cycles. Now, I'm sensible to stress.


I 100% agree - this 'over-masturbation' term is not correct at all, its total rubbish, because the majority of men can masturbate alot and never get POIS. It maybe a case of 'how' you do it rather than how much.
A full recovery is possible despite how much masturbating you have done in the past, its a case 'unwinding' some the tightness that has been accumulated over a life time of stress.

I also agree with the 'itch' analysis.
When I was recovering from POIS I noticed one of my testicles felt 'tickly', like I just wanted to scratch it,
but the itch was too internal and out of reach,
the although the tickle sensation felt good it would alternate between
'fearful' feelings, like I was about to feel pain, which would cause me to lock my hip muscles, in case I felt a zap of pain.
Over time I learnt how to relax and stay released through these feelings getting rid of the 'tickle' and POIS.


Well, it could just be how our bodies have adjusted to this type of stimulation over the years, I know my pois came to me over the period of my coffee drinking.  I think it is basically an adrenal problem, too much being released.  My POIS is always a panic attack, anxiety/headache, that lasts for about 36 hours, than goes away.  this can be just a really bad health problem that can be fixed.

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« Reply #6583 on: 19/01/2010 21:55:12 »


B_Jim, maybe the article you posted explains my extremely unusual fingertips' sensations during POIS? (It was very difficult reading for me, highly technical).


Yes, it's possible. Do you think testosterone or stimulant improve this symptom ?



B_Jim, yes, the testosterone/stimulant combination reduces the fingertips' symptom enormously. Sometimes it doesn't even appear. I am very lucky.
« Last Edit: 19/01/2010 21:57:38 by demografx »

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« Reply #6584 on: 19/01/2010 22:48:00 »
Hi Guys. I just stumbled upon this forum on Saturday, in the throes of 2nd day POIS. So glad I found the forum and that the debilitating problems I have been suffering for many years actually have a name. Sorry, in advance, for the long post! [:I]

I am 34 years old and live in the UK. My POIS symptoms have varied over the years, changing as I self medicated. Baffled by the enormous changes my body seemed to go through in a very short space of time (due to what I now know to be POIS), I thought I had depression (I was certainly anxious!) I started to take Calcium with Vitamin D supplements because they helped the headaches, dizziness, foggy headedness and fatigue I used to get in the mornings sometimes. Then I started to take Magnesium, because I read that it helps the absorption of Calcium. I also took Zinc supplements, then Zinc/Copper supplements because I found out that taking too much Zinc alone can cause malabsorption of Copper.

All of this got me through the ages of about 26 to 33 when, although I felt like death most of the time and had extremely bad insomnia, I just about got by. Then, at 33, I had to give up the Calcium because it was causing terrible, and I do mean terrible, constipation and impaction. The Copper was terrible for this too.

When I stopped the supplements around July 09 and tried to face my symptoms head on, then the full fury of POIS hit me for the first time. Symptoms which had previously been somewhat muted just hit me head on and wrecked my life. How bad did it get? Well, after being made redundant in May 09, I got another job in September 09. I really needed the job badly, but I just couldn't cope at all, and resigned within a week. First time that has ever happened to me.

My symptoms? Terrible brain fog, poor memory, agoraphobia, high BP that my GP just can't fathom, night visits to A&E with panic induced by sky high BP of up to 170/110, severe fatigue, intense warmth at night (so bad that my girlfriend will sleep on the couch because I just can't bear her body heat), followed by coldness and cold extremities, enormous thirst on days 3-5, loose bowels on day 2 and SEVERE cutting headache at the back of my head accompanied by stomach churning vertigo, darkness under my eyes, short attention span. And, unsurprisingly, depression (although I have avoided being classified as a depressive by my doctor). I have also had a flaky scalp since childhood and started to go bald at about 24. I have always been very skinny with a fast metabolism, but since turning thirty, I have gained a few stone - up from about 9.5 to 11 (60kg to 70kg, both in the normal BMI range).

I had registered a vague correlation with orgasm (I am a compulsive masturbator and have been since about 12) but the fact that there was always a delay before the onset meant that I did not frame a firm correlation between the two. I had twigged that the cause of my frequent crashes was perhaps adrenal burnout, but it was only when I started to investigate this further that I found this forum.

Reading through the forum posts has been the weirdest thing ever. Your collective descriptions of POIS are as much a part of me as breathing and it was pretty sobering to realise that all of these symptoms that I thought must be unique to me are actually quite widespread. My heart goes out to all the older guys who have been suffering this for thirty years or more. I feel extremely lucky that I have discovered the true cause of this problem relatively early on, so I can make changes now and, hopefully, minimise the disruption to my life. At this point in time, masturbation and sex are my worst enemies - full stop.

Anyway, I don't just want to moan, but I'd like to contribute if I can.

(a)I have read the following about the effects of compulsive masturbation: "If you have a good blood circulation, excessive neurohormones Norepinephrine and Epinephrine can be dispersed out of the local tissues, then metabolized by the liver and expelled by the kidneys to the bladder". This made me think about a mystery from a few years back. I got stressed out in my 2nd year 1st semester final exams and, forget about common or garden insomnia, I just plain couldn't sleep. I was masturbating a HUGE amount, five or six times a night, every night, to try and chill myself out enough to sleep. My doctor prescribed 7.5mg of Zopiclone, a sleeping pill in the hypnotic category. However, one contraindication for this med is that dosage should be 3.75mg for individuals suffering from hepatic insufficiency (which countless blood tests have shown that I do not have). Anyway, three nights of Zopiclone almost killed me. I got all the side effects so severely, I had to drop out of university for a year and was put under six months cardiac investigation by my doctor. The side effects were (and I got them all in spades): amnesia or memory impairment, euphoria, nightmares, agitation, hostility, decreased libido, coordination abnormality, tremor, muscle spasms, speech disorder, SEVERE heart palpitations, dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, anorexia or increased appetite.

Could my liver have been so tied up trying to dispose of the excess neurohormones that it could not properly excrete the Zopiclone, leading to a toxic build up of the drug? To this day, my doctor has no explanation for my extreme reaction to the med, and second opinions I have got suggests that it is an extremely safe drug normally, with a very low incidence of side effects.

(b) For me, POIS starts with brain fog and poor memory on day one, adds the cutting headache, loose bowels and vertigo on day two, adds intense warmth on night two and adds coldness from day three. As far as I can ascertain, this is my body looking at the excess of neurohormones and saying "Right, well what should I do with that lot?". Then from day three onwards, my temperature is up and down, I get the ridiculous thirst (I have tested negative for diabetes BTW, three times), I can feel my kidneys shrink and then glug as they gorge themselves on a litre of water in an hour (I am careful not to go above this) and my digestive system slows down. In this period my body is just all over the place, and it is virtually impossible for me to work out my water needs accurately. My guess is that, at this point, my body has decided to work my liver at 110% to get rid of the excess hormones. Does anyone else experience it this way?

Anyway, some day we'll all beat this, I hope. Now I am going to try some of the herbal remedies which have worked for some of you: Vitex, Omega 3 DHA/EPA, Spirulina, Gingko Biloba, L-Tyrosine and Relora. (By the way, I'm not going to try them all at the same time, don't worry! I will start with the Omega 3 and see, bit by bit, what helps).

Warmest regards,

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« Reply #6585 on: 20/01/2010 19:49:02 »
demo, i see a pattern of 1st posts from new forum members.  they usually contain quite a bit of background info and a good description of pois.  maybe we should be presenting doctors with a collection of these posts, i think they portray the essence of this disease.

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« Reply #6586 on: 20/01/2010 23:42:22 »

ad75, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for nearly 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

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« Reply #6587 on: 20/01/2010 23:44:19 »

ad75, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: almost 3 years' worth of posts (nearly 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

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« Reply #6588 on: 20/01/2010 23:51:31 »

demo, i see a pattern of 1st posts from new forum members.  they usually contain quite a bit of background info and a good description of pois.  maybe we should be presenting doctors with a collection of these posts, i think they portray the essence of this disease.


Laurac, excellent idea. But we first need to find a cooperating doctor(s) who is/are willing to study POIS. That remains our most challenging problem at this time. We have had discussions and sent letters out to quite a few research physicians, and yet have not seen the next step materialize. Part of the problem is that we need some more significant funding.

So far, members of this forum have pledged approximately $4,500 towards that goal.

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« Reply #6589 on: 21/01/2010 09:04:06 »
Here is something I have not seen discussed.... ORAL health, mine is very bad for many years.... and I always wonder if that might be part of this whole thing?

No teeth cleaning for 20+ yrs! I have bad breathe, and my mouth is always pasty....

Thoughts?

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« Reply #6590 on: 21/01/2010 17:33:51 »

 I think Pois is linked to low endorphin levels.)
Wiki give some remedies : borage oil, bacon (=>Thisforumrocks !!) ...
(bacon, cheese,egg sandwich ; cysteine amino acid )
(oxygen!!! => Demo/Thisforumrocks !!)
Benzodiazepines , B6 ... !!!!
I will have a look later.
Anyway I don't find the link with testosterone.

Well the bacon,egg,cheese will keep McDonalds in busniess :-)

My Bezos do help, without them I would have not survived! They are not the cure, and I only take 1mg ATIVAN when absolutely required.... Been doing the B3,B6,B12 thing and do not see much progress with that.

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« Reply #6591 on: 21/01/2010 17:41:58 »
Hi Guys I have been very busy and not online for a while.

But I have NOT been busy with sex! I am actually trying an experiment. I have completely stopped having sex for 2 months now. No "NE" no "O". Nada. My wife is in a phase of her menopause where she could not care less about sex anyway. She would not say no if I wanted to make love but she would not initiate it at this time. So I thought this is a good timing to see what happens if I have no sex. We snuggle and cuddle but no sex.

I now realize that I have been in a semi-POIS state for a long time. Even if I get better after 6 to 8 days following an orgasm my mind is not as clear as it should be. After 2 months of complete abstinence I am astonished to see how clear my mind has become. I am creative again, inventive and perceptive. It keeps getting better too. I feel I am slowly recovering from a massive burnout. It will be interesting to see if my "recovery" holds when I start having sex again. For for now, I may choose to go without it for as long as I feel my health is improving. Even for a whole year if necessary.

I realize not everyone wants to try this but it feels really good to be myself again. Mostly it shows me how far I had gone. It is making the whole POIS problem even more important. We really do lose a lot in life with this problem. In relationships, at work, with health, with missed opportunities of all kinds. And less enjoyment of life in general.  This is a serious issue and it deserves much more attention.

PS: I find it easy to avoid NEs simply by decreasing the amount of calories ingested everyday. No excess calories - no NEs. At least for me.

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« Reply #6592 on: 21/01/2010 18:00:01 »
PS: I find it easy to avoid NEs simply by decreasing the amount of calories ingested everyday. No excess calories - no NEs. At least for me.

when somebody else suggested that before and looked into it, i think that might be true less calories equals less NE.  I will start working on that since NE is my worst enemy nd i need to loose weight anyways.

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« Reply #6593 on: 21/01/2010 18:01:21 »
Here is something I have not seen discussed.... ORAL health, mine is very bad for many years.... and I always wonder if that might be part of this whole thing?

No teeth cleaning for 20+ yrs! I have bad breathe, and my mouth is always pasty....

Thoughts?

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I have always been keen on making sure mouth stays fresh.

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« Reply #6594 on: 21/01/2010 18:06:04 »
Bjim; is there away to test endorphins in body and brain without using a crazy method.

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« Reply #6595 on: 21/01/2010 18:31:23 »
Hi Guys I have been very busy and not online for a while.

But I have NOT been busy with sex! I am actually trying an experiment. I have completely stopped having sex for 2 months now.

Damn Pablo. 2 Months is unreal. I cant make it past a week, a two at MOST.

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« Reply #6596 on: 22/01/2010 16:52:37 »
Demo, you mentioned that following your heart surgery you felt even better than you did before regarding the absence of POIS symptoms, so I have some questions for you if you don't mind -

1) Were you at any time given an IV bag of magnesium sulfate or chloride before, during or after your surgery?
2) Were you put on antibiotics at any time? If so, could you tell me what kind, and if you're still on them?
3) Could you give me the general area of the United States you live in? Even the name of a State would be good.

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« Reply #6597 on: 22/01/2010 19:35:44 »
Mr. C., I'm sorry if this is disappointing, but there were so many medications and IV's, constant tests, and various trials with meds, plus the normal post-surgical brain fog, that I can't really be definitive about any of it. I also went through an angiogram at a different hospital, and also had complications after surgery, where electric shock was used to bring me from atrial fibrillation to defibrillation, involving a whole different regimen. Very complicated.

At this time, I'm just thankful to be alive and on the mend. My wife is handling the post-surgical meds for me.

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« Reply #6598 on: 23/01/2010 18:24:17 »
Anyone ever hear a song and wonder if it was written about POIS? Take a listen to Crowded House's song Weather With You, I find it fits perfectly...everywhere you go you take the weather (your mental state) with you.

"Well, it's the same room but everything's different"... Day One perhaps?,

"you can fight the sleep but not the dream"... and the accompanying NE?

I know there is as many meanings as there are listeners but for me this song registers.

Another one is Dirty Vegas' 7AM, which can be read in the sense of masturbation.

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« Reply #6599 on: 24/01/2010 16:52:32 »
I know some people have reported an improvement in their symptoms when they cut out carbs. The last couple of weeks I have done this. My typical diet has for a long time included whole wheat bread at all meals other than supper, but for this trial I am replacing it with salads or veggies (plus some protein and nuts) and keeping sugars down to a minimun. In my non-post sexual state I have been feeling better, brighter, as if the carbs were weighing me down somehow, although I didn't realize it. I thought I was doing well by eating the proper type of bread, but I seem to be better off without it. I have had my blood sugar level checked thoroughly and it is good, so my improvement suprises me. I am wondering if maybe my brain is more sensitive to changes in blood sugar, even though the blood sugar is in the normal range. Look here, a claim that whole wheat bread has "essentially the same impact on blood sugar" compared to white bread.

Another possibility is that I am sensitive to exorphins that are released in the brain from wheat gluten. Milk casein can apparently also release these exorphins that stimulate the brain's opiate receptors. About ten years ago I gave up milk products because it seemed to alleviate my POIS symptoms, altough they did return but not as severely. Could these "opioid peptides" disrupt the brain such that when natural endorphins are released in sex, they are released excessively?  Could the varied symptoms of POIS be caused by these elevated endorphin levels?

Question: do any of you not yawn very often? I don't, and here it is said that this can be related to endorphin levels.
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Dr. George A. Bubenik, M.D., of the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada:
Yawns seem to be caused by the same chemical compounds (neurotransmitters) in the brain that effect emotions, mood, appetite and more - serotonin, dopamine, glutamic acid and nitric oxide. The more of these compounds activated in the brain, the greater the frequency of yawns. Conversely, a greater presence in the brain of opiate neurotransmitters such as endorphins, the less the frequency of yawns.
 
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