Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7000 on: 15/03/2010 00:34:56 »
Has anyone ever been tested for gluten allergies (specifically those POIS sufferer's sensative to carbs like CounterPoints and John)?

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« Reply #7001 on: 15/03/2010 02:33:27 »
"However those suffering with joint pain, brain fog, loss of balance or other neurologic and auto-immune disorders may also benefit from a similar diet [Gluten Free] as some studies have linked these and other illnesses to gluten consumption."

I'm not saying...but I'm just saying...

I'm not able to post the link for reference.

***Edit - I'm really suprised!  I ate two entire bags of gluten free chips and I feel OK.  Thats something I've never ever been able to do - I couldn't eat a peice of bread without brain fog and associated symptoms.  It's still early testing gluten-free foods but this is a 15 year break-through for me and is exciting!
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« Reply #7002 on: 15/03/2010 04:07:05 »
It's all making sense...what everyone is saying.  Something else is triggering POIS and that something else is different for everyone.  Really POIS is just a symptom, not a disease.  We all need to find what the disease is, what the root cause is.  I treated the symptom, POIS, for too long.  It wore me our emotionally, physically, spiritually and financially.  I wasn't listening to my body and noticing the other signs it would give.  Honestly, I thought the other signs were the symptoms and POIS was the disease - I had it all wrong.  Now it's becoming clear, the real disease could be posture, hormones, allergies, etc - something that is really stressing our bodies out.  Many people said it but it didn't ring clear until ophicus posted. daveyboy alluted to this same fact.  And demo has been forever shouting it. Thank you.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7003 on: 15/03/2010 09:40:40 »
LJ,
I am not aware of any test for gluten intolerance other than not eating foods with gluten in them.

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« Reply #7004 on: 15/03/2010 14:33:20 »
Thanks John.  There is an autoimmune disease for gluten intolerance called celiac's disease.  I have an apt scheduled for testing tomorrow.

Have you tried a gluten free diet?

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« Reply #7005 on: 15/03/2010 17:49:55 »
John 21 an elimination diet is a slightly effective inexpensive means to iddentify an allergy.  But with how foods are manufactured today it is difficult to isolate specific allergens, and one could also be sensitive to multiple allergins like in my case.  There is several tests that can be taken to iddentify food and environmental sensitivities.  A very basic way is to find an allergist or gp who will give you a blood antibody test to see if your body is iddentifying certain foods as pathogens. 

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« Reply #7006 on: 15/03/2010 17:58:22 »
I suggest that you really evaluate your diet and how your digestive system feels.  I have always had an average amount of gas but I wouldnt have image it being linked to pois.  Your intestines are responsible for the uptake of all vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and water.  Any damage being done to them has significant impacts on the kidneys and the liver.  Remember adrenal glands are on the kidneys, and the liver is responsible for synthesizing neurotransmitters.  If anyone is interested I suggest you research food and envirnomental sensitivities, leaky gut syndrome, and adrenal fatigue. 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7007 on: 15/03/2010 19:15:54 »
4th day in a very bad condition after a nocturnal emission, still can't recover even a bit. I  started taking  Magnesium and Omega 3 in the hope to relieve POIS.

 Remember adrenal glands are on the kidneys, and the liver is responsible for synthesizing neurotransmitters. 

Ophicus1213, is it possible that I have a problem with the liver itself? You say that it's responsible for synthesizing neurotransmitters and probably it fails to do it. I'm sure of one thing only - it is all because of lack of these neurotransmitters.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7008 on: 15/03/2010 20:51:02 »
-Demo thanks for the chat. I went there 2 times but it was empty, it seems it's hard to synchronize everybody. Anyway talking in a chat while having brain fog can be an effort for me!

-Limejuice, I agree with you when you say we all have differents POIS causes, but I think also we're all sharing something unique (same thing for everybody) causing POIS. Perhaps it's a combination of the two.


Histamine :
-After several readings I think that histamine, as something involved in POIS, should not be dismissed just because antihistamines drugs had been tested without success :

Two hypothesis:
1)if POIS sufferers are burning too much histamine at orgasm this can eventually result in histamine deficiency (??). So antihistamines would be useless in this case.

2)usual antihistamines drugs are blocking only the H1 receptors but not the H2 H3 H4.

The H3 receptor is very interesting because linked with neurotransmitters (noradrenaline, dopamine, gaba, serotonin.) and (ADHD, sleep disorders, etc)

(I know someone (not POIS) who took betahistine for vertigo and who reported a marked decrease in anxiety.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_H3_receptor

Other interesting links about histamine and cognitive disorders:
http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/content/6/2/77.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10654665?dopt=Abstract
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7009 on: 15/03/2010 21:00:26 »
Celiac disease has been called a "Mimic" because it has so many varied symptoms. Some of these seem to be caused by malabsorption of nutrients. Currently, there's also a great deal of research on "non celiac gluten intolerance" which is basically the same thing with less intestinal damage.

There are multiple tests to diagnosis celiac and none of the tests are perfect. The "gold standard" for diagnosis is a biopsy/endoscopy.

Here is the celiac panel recommended by newbielink:http://www.celiaccenter.org [nonactive]

There is a particular series of blood tests called the ‘Celiac Panel”. These tests measure your immune system’s response to gluten in the food you eat.

tTG-IgA or tissue transglutaminase-IgA
AGA-IgG or Antigliadin IgG
AGA-IgA or Antigliadin IGA
Total IGA

The presence of tTG antibodies is highly suggestive of CD, while AGA can be elevated also in cases of wheat allergy.



As for food intolerance (celiac is a form of gluten intolerance) the best way to diagnosis is with an elimination diet, but blood tests can give you a start and narrow the list of foods you are working with. The key is to be tested for food sensitivity, rather than allergies. Food allergies are potential medical emergencies, treated with epi-pens.

Stool testing is another option. Enterolab provides this for gluten, dairy, soy, eggs and yeast. This lab is controversial in the mainstream medical community but has many very happy customers, particularly in the gluten free world.

However you decide to be tested, it is a good idea to get all the results and post them with the reference ranges over at celiac.com. Their input can be very helpful.

Please note that gluten is in wheat, barley and rye and that is can be very difficult to be gluten free if you are eating any processed foods or if there are others eating and cooking gluten in your kitchen. In other words, it takes awhile to do the diet correctly. Also, you may not see quick results from the diet, the rule of thumb is that it takes about 1 year per decade to heal.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7010 on: 15/03/2010 21:53:21 »
LJ,

Thanks John.  There is an autoimmune disease for gluten intolerance called celiac's disease.  I have an apt scheduled for testing tomorrow.

Have you tried a gluten free diet?

I recently tried a gluten free diet (oats not excluded) to see if it would affect my insomnia. Essentially I replaced toast or sandwiches with salads, so carbs were reduced as well. It did not help but what I did notice was that I became very sensitive to carbs, in that they would make me very tired. I have always used carbs to put me back to sleep at night, but this was more severe. I tried making gluten free cookies and they had the same effect, making me very tired. I'm not sure how to explain the reaction (hopefully the flour actually was gluten free).

One suggestion was something bacterial, like h. pylori. I am now wondering if it wasn't the type of flour, but the refinement of the flour. I wondered if superfine ground flour of any type might somehow cause a strong reaction, by putting a higher load on the system. I made some cookies and bread with coarse ground flour and it is something I am going to experiment with. I found one study that showed a link between flour particle size and glycemic reaction, but other studies seem to contradict this one.

I'm believe I have read that people with celiac disease are only a handful of those with gluten sensitivity. That is, your celiac tests can be negative but still apparently be sensitive to gluten.


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7011 on: 16/03/2010 02:44:46 »

Counterpoints, thanx for the wiki update!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7012 on: 16/03/2010 03:27:27 »


It's all making sense...what everyone is saying.  Something else is triggering POIS and that something else is different for everyone.  Really POIS is just a symptom, not a disease.  We all need to find what the disease is, what the root cause is.  I treated the symptom, POIS, for too long.  It wore me our emotionally, physically, spiritually and financially.  I wasn't listening to my body and noticing the other signs it would give.  Honestly, I thought the other signs were the symptoms and POIS was the disease - I had it all wrong.  Now it's becoming clear, the real disease could be posture, hormones, allergies, etc - something that is really stressing our bodies out.  Many people said it but it didn't ring clear until ophicus posted. daveyboy alluted to this same fact.  And demo has been forever shouting it. Thank you.


Limejuice, very interesting perspective! <and I'm still shouting [;D] >
« Last Edit: 16/03/2010 03:30:08 by demografx »

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« Reply #7013 on: 16/03/2010 07:55:11 »
This is what I have thought for a while, I think its my years of stress, few years of depression, my constant anxiety, my body is just giving up, if I removed the stress, anxiety, and depressions I would probably be pois-less....

I had reported a change with me when stopping anti-perspirants, but it seems to not be working.... I have relapsed, but I am staying off them cause its probably better anyway without them.

Next I try to keep off caffine, and if that not it see above, stress/anxiety need to go!

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It's all making sense...what everyone is saying.  Something else is triggering POIS and that something else is different for everyone.  Really POIS is just a symptom, not a disease.  We all need to find what the disease is, what the root cause is.  I treated the symptom, POIS, for too long.  It wore me our emotionally, physically, spiritually and financially.  I wasn't listening to my body and noticing the other signs it would give.  Honestly, I thought the other signs were the symptoms and POIS was the disease - I had it all wrong.  Now it's becoming clear, the real disease could be posture, hormones, allergies, etc - something that is really stressing our bodies out.  Many people said it but it didn't ring clear until ophicus posted. daveyboy alluted to this same fact.  And demo has been forever shouting it. Thank you.


Limejuice, very interesting perspective! <and I'm still shouting [;D] >

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7014 on: 16/03/2010 16:08:36 »
did someone just say

anti perspirant deodrant

please tell me i am imagining it

I have cut out alcohol
the ocassional cigarettes when partaking of alcohol
and caffiene

I find it night it impossible to give up sugar and carbs too though as I eat a vaired diet, take cold treated omega supplements, athelete multivitamins and supplements alongw ith st jons wort and have also spent £400 so far on accpuncture, accupressure and chinnesse herbs to help bring chi and life back to my system as, last year I felt pretty terrible

I also dance at least once a week, sometimes twice and also compliement that with half a hour on the cross trainer a few times a week

I am feeling better lately than I have done in the past and am limiting my o to once a week, though if I ever did get involved again, don't know how that would work

has anyone read cupids poison arrow,

very interesting what they say in that book about orgasm


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7015 on: 16/03/2010 18:39:49 »
Chat Room



-Demo thanks for the chat. I went there 2 times but it was empty, it seems it's hard to synchronize everybody.


Thanks, Martin. Just a suggestion to everyone, perhaps the best way to "synchronize" is to see when you are available when 1 or more other members are posting here. (The posting time is always UK time, I think).

Then, either PM them or post and say, "I'll be at Chat Room for a while". The first time I did that, someone came by!
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« Reply #7016 on: 16/03/2010 20:37:49 »
I can't restore mentally for a very long time, so long that semi-POIS is my usual condition. It seems that neurotransmitters are supplied very slowly. Could anybody make a suggestion what might be a reason? Thanks, guys, for any suggestion, in advance.

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« Reply #7017 on: 17/03/2010 00:37:16 »
I have tried norethisterone a few times now.  It didn't work.  It does seem to affect my POIS, but not for the better -- probably for the worse.  So maybe we are at least getting a better understanding of the relevant chemicals?

I am starting to feel, quite strongly, that this is an opiod receptor problem.  The parallels between the withdrawal symptoms and my POIS symptoms, etc., are very strong.  I think naltrexone is definitely worth experimentation.  And maybe even an opiod, just to see what happens.  (As usual, don't try anything without consulting with a physician... this is always my position even if I don't state it explicitly).

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« Reply #7018 on: 17/03/2010 01:43:57 »

Chat Room

It's open now if anyone wishes to join in.

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« Reply #7019 on: 17/03/2010 01:53:53 »

Posted at Chat Room by B_Jim, March 6:

Hi guys :)

This chat is a good idea.
 
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Thanks for the feedback, B_Jim! We'll get synchronized eventually.

I only saw your post just now.

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« Reply #7020 on: 17/03/2010 01:58:06 »
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« Reply #7021 on: 17/03/2010 09:25:06 »
I am starting to feel, quite strongly, that this is an opiod receptor problem. 
I don't think POIS is because of opioid receptors. They are responsible for pain regulation, not mental function. Though, pain is also present as a POIS symptom, maybe POIS affects them in some way. Due to the main POIS symptom - mental impairment - I still strongly believe the main consequence of orgasm to be lack of neurotransmitters.
I am going to try phosphatidylserine. They say it helps to recover neuromediators. Is there anybody who tried it and it didn't work?

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« Reply #7022 on: 17/03/2010 10:13:13 »
CP,

I have tried norethisterone a few times now.  It didn't work.  It does seem to affect my POIS, but not for the better -- probably for the worse.  So maybe we are at least getting a better understanding of the relevant chemicals?

I am starting to feel, quite strongly, that this is an opiod receptor problem.  The parallels between the withdrawal symptoms and my POIS symptoms, etc., are very strong.  I think naltrexone is definitely worth experimentation.  And maybe even an opiod, just to see what happens.  (As usual, don't try anything without consulting with a physician... this is always my position even if I don't state it explicitly).

Opioid peptides derived from foods would explain my biggest improvement when I stopped drinking milk years ago. And maybe it could have something to do with my latest discovery, that I generally feel better (less tired) when I don't eat bread, and the sensitivity to bread increased while on that diet. I mentioned that when I ate gluten free cookies I was still very sensitive; if opioid peptides were still involved this might explain why. Maybe I am very sensitive to foods that create these peptides. Maybe my apparent improvements with garlic, yogurt/cranberries, spinach etc somehow influenced digestion and absorption of these molecules.

So how to test? Avoid all foods that are purported to create these opioid peptides? Take an opioid antagonist?

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« Reply #7023 on: 17/03/2010 13:50:06 »
i am sure this is linked to autoimmune diseases and adrenal exhaustion/ CFS

I have sarcoidosis of the lungs which I am sure, plays a part or could have even been in part caused by overmasturbation in the first place

sure i read that some taoits belive that , masturbation/sex can compromise your immune system

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« Reply #7024 on: 17/03/2010 18:53:50 »
Just a status update just did a little experiment.  After following my diet strictly for the past week.  A diet of only meat, raw vegetables, rice, and potatoes.  No pois after orgasm. zero 0%.  If you haven't heard me yet, find out if you have sensitivities, even if you think you don't, if you asked me six months ago I would have told you I am not allergic to anything.  If pois was caused by sexual activity, every man in the world would have it.  It would be more popular.  No, we are the individuals that have underlying immune or adrenal stress, and it is exacerbated by sexual activity.  If anyone lives in the San Diego area send me a message.
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« Reply #7025 on: 17/03/2010 19:29:14 »
My status:

For about 5 days I've been testing this:

- Gluten free
- Aluminum free
- Alexander Technique (about 8 lessons over 3 months)

Today I visited an allergy doctor who tested for food allergies.  The results were negative - not allergic to any foods tested.  This is interesting because I feel that gluten free foods make me feel better...  I haven't O'd after testing this gluten free diet yet.

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« Reply #7026 on: 17/03/2010 20:52:58 »


No pois after orgasm. zero 0%  [ after "a diet of only meat, raw vegetables, rice, and potatoes." ] 


ophicus, best wishes, I hope it continues to hold true over the next few months! Please keep us posted.

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« Reply #7027 on: 17/03/2010 22:59:54 »
My POIS Testosterone treatment continues, post-open heart surgery. For those of you interested in my treatment:
 
I'm still on 15mg/day Androderm patch. Continues to work after more than a year of treatment. Cardiac/GP team is ok with it.
 
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Testosterone, Serum    376       ng/dL           280 - 800

Free Testosterone       10.2      pg/mL           6.6  - 18.1
(Direct)

PSA, Serum                0.9        ng/mL            0.0 - 4.0
    Roche ECLIA methodology.
 
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« Reply #7028 on: 17/03/2010 23:03:49 »

...testing this gluten free diet...


Limejuice, best wishes on gluten free test!

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« Reply #7029 on: 17/03/2010 23:08:04 »


sure i read that some taoits [sic] belive [sic] that , masturbation/sex can compromise your immune system


I doubt that they have any evidence to back it up.

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« Reply #7030 on: 18/03/2010 00:39:46 »
I've been celibate for about 5 weeks now and feel great.  Though not at my best in the mornings.  The strange thing that I have noticed though is that right now I can eat loads of candy and still feel great, but in POIS it would tend to tip off my mood.

I've also been getting crazy weird dreams?  Like I can feel my body but can't move it before I'm actually dreaming... and in this state what's really strange is that I always hear some person talking to me as if a person was right next to me talking and saying strange, scary and weird things... sometimes yelling my name.  Am i being haunted by a POIS Demon?  Lol

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« Reply #7031 on: 18/03/2010 00:48:01 »
P.S.   has anyone had an exorcism?  lol   ...  I mean we talk about eating our own semen so I thought this was appropriate    [:)]

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« Reply #7032 on: 18/03/2010 02:22:03 »
I've been celibate for about 5 weeks now and feel great.  Though not at my best in the mornings.  The strange thing that I have noticed though is that right now I can eat loads of candy and still feel great, but in POIS it would tend to tip off my mood.

I've also been getting crazy weird dreams?  Like I can feel my body but can't move it before I'm actually dreaming... and in this state what's really strange is that I always hear some person talking to me as if a person was right next to me talking and saying strange, scary and weird things... sometimes yelling my name.  Am i being haunted by a POIS Demon?  Lol

I have those dreams where i am awake but am still asleep, i litearelly have to tell my body to wake up. Everybody gets those though, i had a conversation about that with my coworkers.

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« Reply #7033 on: 18/03/2010 09:10:24 »
i know why you called yourself 'goingcrazy'.

i dont wanna sound mean, but why would you jump to an extreme/irrational measure like exorcism (if thats what you meant) when i doubt you've gone through all the sensible options such as
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I'm thinking maybe, just maybe... he was joking.  [:)]

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« Reply #7034 on: 18/03/2010 19:20:36 »
Quote from: B_Jim
Sperm is rich in catecholamine compared to blood : 19 times more noradrenaline and 2 times more Dopac. Is it enough to create an unbalance with such a little volume ? I don't know.
From my own experience, I think that the cause of POIS in my case can be ejaculation, not orgasm. I noticed that the less semen I lose the less severe POIS I have after. One guy on this forum proved that it is a possible cause of POIS for some by having orgasm without ejaculation.
So I think it's possible.
Maybe, are there any additional compounds (absent in sperm) in the prostrate fluid which begin accumulate after ejaculation causing POIS?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7035 on: 18/03/2010 19:59:11 »
am i crazy or what, because i havnt lost hope in progesterone yet. There are different types of pregesterone out there and there are those more powerful than norethisterone, like noregestrel( it is has more powere progestenic and androgenic effects.  Am thinking of trying "plan b medicine"  which is basically over the counter noregestrel for women, after i am able to test progesterone in and out of pois.  I will ask endo(finally found one that dosent require referal) whether it is safe to try or not.

am doing this because that paper is the closest to pois ad it can possibly be without the headache.

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« Reply #7036 on: 18/03/2010 20:01:01 »
Ophicus/anyonel; what is the difference between testing for food sensiivites and allergy. those looking at sensitivity require more powerfull test or reading lab results different from a conventional doctor.

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« Reply #7037 on: 18/03/2010 20:33:27 »
CC:
What about progesterone patches?
I guess it depends if you are low on progesterone.

Are you definitely low on progesterone?
Are you low on testosterone? have you tried those patches?


am not sure yet but i am taking test of progesterone in pois wont know results till march 29
i need to heal but that never happens and try progesterone when normal
testosterone i have conflicting results so  i need to try when am normal, but that i am lucky when i dont get struck by NE or brain orgasm.

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« Reply #7038 on: 19/03/2010 00:39:53 »
i know why you called yourself 'goingcrazy'.

Is there any other appropriate name to use that is being affected by this disease ? 



And... I was joking I'm not about to go to my mom and tell her I need an exorcism to cure this disease.   [:D]
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« Reply #7039 on: 19/03/2010 00:50:56 »
Anyone catch the latest South Park on sex addiction?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7040 on: 19/03/2010 16:35:01 »


And... I was joking I'm not about to go to my mom and tell her I need an exorcism to cure this disease.   [:D]


Joking??? Dang!!! Now you tell me!!! I went to 10 different priests (ordained, at eBay) and bought all their exorcism manuals!!!

                         

                         Out, Out, POIS!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #7041 on: 19/03/2010 17:15:20 »
So... When is this thread going to become its own POIS forum so we can have lots of topics going at once?

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« Reply #7042 on: 19/03/2010 18:49:46 »

It is already, RS, it is. [:)]

...but feel free to start an entire new thread(s) here at NSF.

When the #_active_, daily participants in 1+ topics  increases to the point of justifying a multi-topic forum, you're right, we should then re-consider.

edit - interesting point: Yahoo! Forums are extremely successful, with no topic sub-groups. And they have fewer capabilities than we do here, actually.
« Last Edit: 20/03/2010 03:41:01 by demografx »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7043 on: 20/03/2010 00:27:30 »


And... I was joking I'm not about to go to my mom and tell her I need an exorcism to cure this disease.   [:D]


Joking??? Dang!!! Now you tell me!!! I went to 10 different priests (ordained, at eBay) and bought all their exorcism manuals!!!

                         

                         Out, Out, POIS!!!!!!!!!!

Did it work???

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« Reply #7044 on: 20/03/2010 03:38:18 »

Yes, except for some of Day Zero...wait, what's IN that testosterone???? [;D]

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« Reply #7045 on: 20/03/2010 16:31:37 »

John,vitamin B9 (spinach) must reduce allergies :

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749%2809%2900387-X/abstract


Thanks for that BJim.

I wonder if pesticides, etc in grains could cause a reaction? I'm going to try some organic grains, starting with spelt bread.

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« Reply #7046 on: 20/03/2010 23:27:09 »
im posting the lyrics to a song from one of my favorite artists, Klayton Scott and his band Celldweller. Song is called "Frozen" and although its about other things lines like "A fading memory, when my mind is frozen" LOL are dead on for my mental POIS

Celldweller Frozen lyrics

Inside this fantasy
It seems so real to me
Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open
True Love behind a wall
Where men and angels fall
A fading memory, when my mind is frozen
I can see a frozen point in time
Where her figure still awaits
Tongue of fire tracing lips outline
Where frozen breath originates
With one motion of her waiting eyes
She strips everything away
This one moment is intensified
And colors all fade to grey
I am in the only place that i want to be
Though we know that it ends eventually
But it's alright because right now we're frozen
I want to forget mistakes they've helped me make
It's better to be broken than to break
Inside this fantasy
It seems so real to me
Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open
True Love behind a wall
Where men and angels fall
A fading memory, when my mind is frozen
I can see a frozen point in time
That is easy to retrace
Light and darkness are both intertwined
The elements are in their place with
One motion of her wanting mind
The real world begins to fade
And all the hateful things I have become
Temporarily go away
Inside this fantasy
It seems so real to me
Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open
True Love behind a wall
Where men and angels fall
A fading memory, when my mind is frozen
When my mind's frozen:
I'll take you anwhere you want to go
Far from anything that feels like home (lets go)
You are anyone I want to be (it's here and now, and now it's only you and me)
It's never enough (mmm that's true)
I want to stay here (yeah, and I do too)
Breakin' it down(takin' it down)
With smell(smell), touch(touch, taste(taste), sight(sight), and sound(sound)
How long will I be here without you near because I'm so cold
Break them first or I'll get broken is not what I was told, now I'm so cold
I'm so cold
So cold
Inside this fantasy
It seems so real to me
Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open
True Love behind a wall
Where men and angels fall
A fading memory, when my mind is frozen
Inside this fantasy
It seems so real to me
Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open
True Love behind a wall
Where men and angels fall
A fading memory, when my mind is frozen

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7047 on: 21/03/2010 14:07:54 »
Iam very interested in the discussion as it relates to diet and food sensitities. Here are several comments relating to the last week of posts.

Please note that OATS are not necessarily gluten free as they are generally cross-contaminated during processing and shipping. Specially grown and packaged Gluten Free oats are available for purchase at the usual Gluten Free prices - ie spendy.

Allergies are food reactions involving IgE. These reactions are swift and can be severe, requiring epi-pens and hospitalization. Think E for emergency. Allergists do these tests with patch/pricks.  In other words, knowing you aren’t allergic to gluten is not the point. If you were allergic, you would almost certainly know that by now. (wheezing, hives, etc.) Are you sensitive is the question?  Limejuice,  you may well be right – eating GF may make you feel better even if every single test you take is negative (plenty of people over at celiac.com report this.)

Food sensitivities can take up to 72 hours to show up. They can be subtle and cumulative. The tests for these tend to be IgG but there are more tests being developed all the time, particularly for gluten as it relates to neurological damage. All of these tests have flaws. The gluten tests tend to have false negatives. The general food sensitivity tests tend to have false positives; some people test positive for foods that they have never eaten.

Anyone interested in a possible link between POIS and diet would do well to try the Paleo diet. (very similar to Ophicus – congrats to you, sir!) The PaNu blog is the best source of info. This diet is also an easy way to eliminate foods temporarily so that you can “challenge” them to determine a food sensitivity. The Joneja book is helpful for this.

Anyone who suspects gluten intolerance should read up on celiac testing before changing their diet and before seeing their doctor. Otherwise, it is very likely that your doctor will not do all the correct tests. When you get the results post them and the reference ranges at celiac.com. This is important not only for your health, but for others in your family.

John21, I don’t doubt your efforts, but it is very unlikely that your diet is indeed GF, because it is unlikely that your kitchen is gluten free (wooden spoons, cutting boards, etc, etc.). Regardless, your reaction to carbs is very telling. The fatigue could be occurring when you are re-exposed to very small amounts of gluten. Please continue your investigations in diet area.  Just curious, did your sleep change while eating GF? Many reports of insomnia improvements over at celiac.com

opiates - gluten, casein are considered to have opiate like action and there are some interesting posts about wheat being "addictive" over at the Heartscan blog. Spinach also has an opiate type component. newbielink:http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/content/elimination-diet/gluten-casein.aspx [nonactive]

The root cause is out there.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7048 on: 21/03/2010 16:50:28 »


And... I was joking I'm not about to go to my mom and tell her I need an exorcism to cure this disease.   [:D]


Joking??? Dang!!! Now you tell me!!! I went to 10 different priests (ordained, at eBay) and bought all their exorcism manuals!!!

                         

                         Out, Out, POIS!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLZ

love the picture n caption

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« Reply #7049 on: 21/03/2010 17:23:32 »

John21, I don’t doubt your efforts, but it is very unlikely that your diet is indeed GF, because it is unlikely that your kitchen is gluten free (wooden spoons, cutting boards, etc, etc.). Regardless, your reaction to carbs is very telling. The fatigue could be occurring when you are re-exposed to very small amounts of gluten. Please continue your investigations in diet area.  Just curious, did your sleep change while eating GF? Many reports of insomnia improvements over at celiac.com

There was no improvement in my insomnia with the GF diet, and I believe that it was even aggravated by it. Last week I had relaxed back to including some wheat bread. Then I had an NE early in the week. I didn't have severe symptoms but I noticed the definite change in my mental chemistry. I immediately stopped eating the small amount of bread I was eating daily (and also temporarily quit yogurt) and in a couple of days I felt great. What's more, I had one of the best sleeps I have had in a long time. Then after another day or two my insomnia came back with a vengeance, as my mental chemistry oscillated back to it's norm. I am not drawing any conclusions but I feel that a problem relating to gluten/casein is an avenue worth exploring. It will be taxing to give up bread and milk products entirely to test this, I almost hope the opioid peptide theory is wrong. :o)

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opiates - gluten, casein are considered to have opiate like action and there are some interesting posts about wheat being "addictive" over at the Heartscan blog. Spinach also has an opiate type component. http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/content/elimination-diet/gluten-casein.aspx

Yes, and so I find it strange that spinach would help me if I were to have a problem with opioid peptides, unless the spinach ones were non reactive and blocked the effects of the others.

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The root cause is out there.

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