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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12500 on: 27/03/2011 14:29:00 »
Quote from: guy_10 on 27/03/2011 13:56:20
Huh.  Well, I just ran into this forum, after feeling kinda pissed at how crappy I feel, and lo!  I'm not making it up... but there's not much I can do about it either?  Hmmm...  tough scenario.

I always described the way I feel after orgasm as "depression and moderate flu-like symptoms", so this definitely seems to be the place.  I read the first few pages, and one thing I didn't see reference to is that with successive orgasms, the feeling becomes exponentially worse; once every two-three days is pretty bearable, every day is bad, and twice a day would land me in the hospital.  I guess that's milder than most of the symptoms described here.

I have terrible allergies to just about everything, so I find the hypothesis that an auto-immune issue may be involved really fascinating.  I don't believe testosterone has any effect, as my sex drive is pretty much the *only* thing still in tact while I'm feeling crappy.  Like some kind of demonic temptation...

Would love to figure out who the heck to talk to for more info.  Never got anything out of the doctors.

Hi Guy (_10)

Yep exponencially worse.. that's me. My BEST is once per week!

We've got a database with references to POIS assistance. It's still relatively new and so isn't that big yet, but the ones that are there are like "Primary Sources" that could maybe refer you to more local ones. Sorry that it's not more extensive yet, but that will come with a bit more time.

Besides that there are medical papers issued and other information that I'm sure Demografx (a site moderator) will send you very shortly. This will help you approach doctors about your problem. The response by doctors is very lacking and even with the papers and support, they are incredibly stubborn, but it can help.

We have to be firm with them and any support we can bring helps. After all, how do they expect us to pay them if we go in with EVERYTHING laid out and they say no!

the database is at http://72.52.181.21/collaborator_list.php scroll down past the form to the database.

And well, stick around. There'll be lots of help here!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12501 on: 27/03/2011 14:34:21 »
Just had an interesting idea...  

Suppose POIS really does have a substantial auto-immune factor.  Steroids (Prednisone) may actually have a significant effect.  Of course, potential side effects include dizziness, diarrhea, depression, and anxiety, so I guess I'd have to take it on a few dry runs, and then have my partner supply me some placebos for a blind test.

But still... damn, I don't want to be on Prednisone every time I get off.  Would be a very revealing factor if it worked though.  ...Have a bunch of the stuff around (again, horrible allergic reaction to millions of things as-is), so maybe I'll give it a shot?

Quote from: daveman on 27/03/2011 14:29:00
Quote from: guy_10 on 27/03/2011 13:56:20
Huh.  Well, I just ran into this forum, after feeling kinda pissed at how crappy I feel, and lo!  I'm not making it up... but there's not much I can do about it either?  Hmmm...  tough scenario.

I always described the way I feel after orgasm as "depression and moderate flu-like symptoms", so this definitely seems to be the place.  I read the first few pages, and one thing I didn't see reference to is that with successive orgasms, the feeling becomes exponentially worse; once every two-three days is pretty bearable, every day is bad, and twice a day would land me in the hospital.  I guess that's milder than most of the symptoms described here.

I have terrible allergies to just about everything, so I find the hypothesis that an auto-immune issue may be involved really fascinating.  I don't believe testosterone has any effect, as my sex drive is pretty much the *only* thing still in tact while I'm feeling crappy.  Like some kind of demonic temptation...

Would love to figure out who the heck to talk to for more info.  Never got anything out of the doctors.

Hi Guy (_10)

Yep exponencially worse.. that's me. My BEST is once per week!

We've got a database with references to POIS assistance. It's still relatively new and so isn't that big yet, but the ones that are there are like "Primary Sources" that could maybe refer you to more local ones. Sorry that it's not more extensive yet, but that will come with a bit more time.

Besides that there are medical papers issued and other information that I'm sure Demografx (a site moderator) will send you very shortly. This will help you approach doctors about your problem. The response by doctors is very lacking and even with the papers and support, they are incredibly stubborn, but it can help.

We have to be firm with them and any support we can bring helps. After all, how do they expect us to pay them if we go in with EVERYTHING laid out and they say no!

the database is at newbielink:http://72.52.181.21/collaborator_list.php [nonactive] scroll down past the form to the database.

And well, stick around. There'll be lots of help here!


Much thanks for the support, I've been checking around since I saw some of the names listed here.  Seems like the issue is gaining awareness.  Then again, I've had 5th's disease and precordial catch syndrome too.  It's like I'm a pool for "not really serious enough to be bothered with" maladies.  I wish medical teams would devote time to it, but then feel bad that I'd be taking their focus away from more life-threatening stuff.  Ahh guilt.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12502 on: 27/03/2011 17:11:58 »
There have been tests here of "just about everything". Maybe not all scientific, but lots of differenig results. Prednisone has been one of them. Demo(grafx) will show  you how to do searches to find stuff we've already covered. Might save you some grief.

In some of these maladies there are similar symptoms. It's so hard to identify one from the other at times.

Doctors tell us we have whatever other thing, rather than POIS because they don't have any idea.

We have to, and are going to take control of this thing..... stick around! [:)]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12503 on: 27/03/2011 17:48:12 »
Quote from: demografx on 27/03/2011 04:54:25
GoingCrazy, print out ALL the POIS info we have, make a nice binder, with a label in the middle:

               Prepared Lovingly
               For Mom and Dad
              ***PLEASE***READ!

                      

Even if they PEEK at it, you'll be ahead of the game!


Lol they will probably disown me
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12504 on: 27/03/2011 17:55:10 »
Hey GC, I can just hear it now:

"Hey son, how many times have I told you...  No masturbating before you do your chores!!"

Sheesh, for the rest of the world, they "just do it". Noooo, we have to clean the whole damn house FIRST!

What next! [;D] [;D] [:P]

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12505 on: 27/03/2011 19:20:00 »
Quote from: daveman on 27/03/2011 17:11:58
There have been tests here of "just about everything". Maybe not all scientific, but lots of differenig results. Prednisone has been one of them. Demo(grafx) will show  you how to do searches to find stuff we've already covered. Might save you some grief.

In some of these maladies there are similar symptoms. It's so hard to identify one from the other at times.

Doctors tell us we have whatever other thing, rather than POIS because they don't have any idea.

We have to, and are going to take control of this thing..... stick around! [:)]



Ahhh thanks for letting me know, that's not really a test to be taken lightly.  Best to tread the path already laid out by those who walked before. It's all excitement and frustration in equal measure.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12506 on: 28/03/2011 01:10:27 »
Thanks for this useful post. is it possible that this illness happen to a woman? cause the night after I had sex, I had ague and felt too sleepy but it was just for one day. is it a sign of this syndrome?
Thank you so much for sharing your information with us
Best wishes
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12507 on: 28/03/2011 03:11:12 »
Quote from: GoingCrazy on 27/03/2011 17:48:12
Quote from: demografx on 27/03/2011 04:54:25

GoingCrazy, print out ALL the POIS info we have, make a nice binder, with a label in the middle:

               Prepared Lovingly
               For Mom and Dad
              ***PLEASE***READ!

                      

Even if they PEEK at it, you'll be ahead of the game!


Lol they will probably disown me


Oh, c'mon! Give it a shot! If they disown you, you can always blame me!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12508 on: 28/03/2011 03:15:17 »
Quote from: bluestar on 28/03/2011 01:10:27

Thanks for this useful post. is it possible that this illness happen to a woman? cause the night after I had sex, I had ague and felt too sleepy but it was just for one day. is it a sign of this syndrome?
Thank you so much for sharing your information with us
Best wishes


Best wishes back! Yes, there have been a (very) few women with POIS complaints. The posts by "Girlwind" might be useful (there have been others).
Please click here:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=girlwind+POIS+site:http%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=99c4ceabc8c9e00
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12509 on: 28/03/2011 03:18:46 »
guy_10, and bluestar, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

The Learning Channel (TLC) upcoming feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". They're planning to air it on May 22, 10pm Eastern Standard time. Animus will keep us informed of any changes.

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


* Most recent POIS Research Studies, 2011 *

If you will send Prof. dr. Waldinger an e-mail, stating that you have read his message on the Forum, at http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg340138#msg340138 and that you are willing to fill in a questionnaire, he will send you the copies of both 2011 research articles by return through email. At a later date, he will send you the questionnaire which, after having filled in, you should send him back by e-mail.
His email:
prof.dr.waldinger.pois@gmail.com

Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger's website:
http://www.post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome.com/en/index.html


First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


There are a couple of ways to get any or all of the above 3 studies: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF.

Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,000,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!



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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12510 on: 28/03/2011 03:30:06 »

guy_10, and bluestar, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.


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« Reply #12511 on: 28/03/2011 03:48:27 »
Quote from: guy_10 on 27/03/2011 13:56:20

I always described the way I feel after orgasm as "depression and moderate flu-like symptoms", so this definitely seems to be the place.  I read the first few pages, and one thing I didn't see reference to is that with successive orgasms, the feeling becomes exponentially worse; once every two-three days is pretty bearable, every day is bad, and twice a day would land me in the hospital.  I guess that's milder than most of the symptoms described here.


No, I'd say that's pretty average for us, definitely _below_ average if we consider "once every two-three days is pretty bearable"! I don't think it is for most of us.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12512 on: 28/03/2011 04:44:33 »
Quote from: demografx on 28/03/2011 03:15:17
Quote from: bluestar on 28/03/2011 01:10:27

Thanks for this useful post. is it possible that this illness happen to a woman? cause the night after I had sex, I had ague and felt too sleepy but it was just for one day. is it a sign of this syndrome?
Thank you so much for sharing your information with us
Best wishes


Best wishes back! Yes, there have been a (very) few women with POIS complaints. The posts by "Girlwind" might be useful (there have been others).
Please click here:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=girlwind+POIS+site:http%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=99c4ceabc8c9e00


Yes, it's possible, but I don't think about just being "tired" for a day would be classified as POIS.  If you were irritable, tired, anxious, headache, etc. for a few days, than I'd consider it POIS.  But still possible.
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« Reply #12513 on: 28/03/2011 04:45:46 »
Quote from: daveman on 27/03/2011 17:55:10
Hey GC, I can just hear it now:

"Hey son, how many times have I told you...  No masturbating before you do your chores!!"

Sheesh, for the rest of the world, they "just do it". Noooo, we have to clean the whole damn house FIRST!

What next! [;D] [;D] [:P]



It's funny how "open" masturbation is talked about around the house now, ever since I told them about this.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12514 on: 28/03/2011 04:46:37 »
Quote from: demografx on 28/03/2011 03:11:12
Quote from: GoingCrazy on 27/03/2011 17:48:12
Quote from: demografx on 27/03/2011 04:54:25

GoingCrazy, print out ALL the POIS info we have, make a nice binder, with a label in the middle:

               Prepared Lovingly
               For Mom and Dad
              ***PLEASE***READ!

                      

Even if they PEEK at it, you'll be ahead of the game!


Lol they will probably disown me


Oh, c'mon! Give it a shot! If they disown you, you can always blame me!!

I can be reached c/o daveman, Chile, PostOfficeKnowsWhere.

I'm ok haha   [8)]
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12515 on: 28/03/2011 05:33:27 »
Quote from: GoingCrazy on 28/03/2011 04:44:33
Quote from: demografx on 28/03/2011 03:15:17
Quote from: bluestar on 28/03/2011 01:10:27

Thanks for this useful post. is it possible that this illness happen to a woman? cause the night after I had sex, I had ague and felt too sleepy but it was just for one day. is it a sign of this syndrome?
Thank you so much for sharing your information with us
Best wishes


Best wishes back! Yes, there have been a (very) few women with POIS complaints. The posts by "Girlwind" might be useful (there have been others).
Please click here:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=girlwind+POIS+site:http%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=99c4ceabc8c9e00


Yes, it's possible, but I don't think about just being "tired" for a day would be classified as POIS.  If you were irritable, tired, anxious, headache, etc. for a few days, than I'd consider it POIS.  But still possible.


GC, very good point, I was thinking of that, too. The New York Times article might be a good one for bluestar to start with (the one in the Welcome Message). It discusses "one-day POIS"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse
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« Reply #12516 on: 28/03/2011 06:18:39 »
Quote from: daveman on 26/03/2011 14:25:37

I just installed an SMF forum (like this one) for testing, and am evaluating it for configurability. It seems it can do what we need.

I'll also be including virtual offices where private treatment could at some time be coordinated.



Really exciting, Dave.

Thank you!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12517 on: 28/03/2011 18:42:28 »
Today I started with the desensitization. There was more semen injected than when I had the skin pr.ick test. And the red spot was very big in the first minutes. I took a picture after 25 minutes. I will post this later. My arm hurts because of the injection. It's like I lifted to much weight at the gym. My muscles hurts a very much.

About 7 weeks I will have a second injection. Normally it would be done after 4 weeks, but because of my holiday it's about 7 weeks. The doctor said that it's not a good idea to have this injection when you go to a far country.

I asked about rush desensitization. The doctor said that the risks are still very high. And that normal desensitization is better for the long term. Sometimes you have to do the desensitization after a few years again. The doctor said rush desensitization is a possible for POIS-patients but then there must be more POIS-patients who do the desensitization.

The doctor also said that it is better to do research to which substance in the semen causes an allergic reaction. Then they can make this synthetic and then you don't have to have an ejaculation every time before the desensitization. The doctor said this research must be done by academic hospitals and costs a lot of money.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12518 on: 28/03/2011 19:33:30 »
Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 28/03/2011 18:42:28
Today I started with the desensitization. There was more semen injected than when I had the skin pr.ick test. And the red spot was very big in the first minutes. I took a picture after 25 minutes. I will post this later. My arm hurts because of the injection. It's like I lifted to much weight at the gym. My muscles hurts a very much.

About 7 weeks I will have a second injection. Normally it would be done after 4 weeks, but because of my holiday it's about 7 weeks. The doctor said that it's not a good idea to have this injection when you go to a far country.

I asked about rush desensitization. The doctor said that the risks are still very high. And that normal desensitization is better for the long term. Sometimes you have to do the desensitization after a few years again. The doctor said rush desensitization is a possible for POIS-patients but then there must be more POIS-patients who do the desensitization.

The doctor also said that it is better to do research to which substance in the semen causes an allergic reaction. Then they can make this synthetic and then you don't have to have an ejaculation every time before the desensitization. The doctor said this research must be done by academic hospitals and costs a lot of money.

WOW, on your way to POIS free! Fantastic! Keep us informed.
Any POIS symptoms with this shot BTW?

Edit: And they support our hypothesis that it could be some other component of the semen.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12519 on: 28/03/2011 20:53:22 »
I don't know Dave because it must be fresh semen. So I don't if the POIS-symptoms is because of the O. or/and the injection. But my joints and muscles of the arm hurts really bad.
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