[rock27]

I didn't finish to translate the 2nd study of dr. Waldinger but it seems there is a new very important and new concept here :

http://www.nature.com/nrurol/journal/v8/n3/full/nrurol.2011.17.html

Sexual dysfunction: Postorgasmic illness syndrome

Suzanne J. Farley
Abstract

New evidence supports the hypothesis that postorgasmic illness syndrome (POIS) in men involves a hyper-reactive immune response of the mucosal epithelium that lines the urinary tract to seminal fluid.The term 'POIS' was coined 9 years ago by the Netherlands-based duo Marcel Waldinger and Dave Schweitzer.

The whole article is not free.

I just bought this article, but it is just a summary of the dr Waldinger research. There isn't any news in it.

[John21 (OP)]

Tsup John21,
What I've been dealing with is something quite a bit in reverse. Of course after sexual activity comes a time I regret I do live, which is I think quite normal for human males, but there comes a time after that that I am into only thinking. Takes some few hours for such a shake. It's just that I think it is hard for You to manage without sexual activity and I do not want to make fake hope to You, but did You try to specificate Your type of a sexual partner? Maybe it's not biological, but stays in the psyche?
For example. I am sanguine (personality, character, temperament - wiki and other sites for search) and I hate being interested in other sanguines. But I love to be interested in phlegmatics, who seem to be more attractive for me. Quite frankly the worst kind of commitment is between a sanguine and a sanguine... so I believe, that where there's problem, there's got to be a sollurion, a simple, obvious and unique sollution.
Try to experiment with that and maybe You'll have something out of it. In worst case, You'll have a hangover for more than a few hours.
p.s.
if something seems to be impossible, it's probably as possible, as problematic.
Here's the table to discuss (if You wish to)
Let's say
melancholic and sanguine are strong personalities
phlegmatics are strong character
cholerics are strong temperament
FITS
-----T----P----C----
  T  1    0   -1 
  P  0   -1    1
  C -1    1    0
--------------------
-1 = worst fit
 0 = avarage fit
 1 = the best fit

The "examples" of people with different personality, character and temperament who present their sexual activity, are on my blog
http://eternityemperor.blogspot.com/
NOTE that most of the people are sanguine

I don't think you understand what POIS is.

[aspagnito]

I have schizoaffective disorder. That maybe explains a lot. All I wanted was to share, but if You find my message interrupting, please ignore it.
There is no way to diagnose a dead one, but Einstein probably (according to some specialists) had an Asperger syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome [nofollow]

[Vandemolen3]

Today I had another injection for the desensitization. Normally the dilution of the semen is 1/10.000. But this time I had 1/1.000. Normally 1/1.000 is reached after 5 months. The doctor said that the chance of chance of complications is the biggest in the first months. But they had a good research and that's why it was possible for me to go to 1/1.000. After 3 years the dilution is 1/20.

[aspagnito]

I think it's great to get an acceptance. Doesn't matter that much what problems we're dealing with, but when it goes to the fruit we're giving, some people may give a lot more than it seems.

[demografx]

aspagnito, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

The Learning Channel (TLC) upcoming feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". They're planning to air it on May 22, 10pm Eastern Standard time. Animus will keep us informed of any changes.

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


* Most recent POIS Research Studies, 2011 *

If you will send Prof. dr. Waldinger an e-mail, stating that you have read his message on the Forum, at http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg340138#msg340138 and that you are willing to fill in a questionnaire, he will send you the copies of both 2011 research articles by return through email. At a later date, he will send you the questionnaire which, after having filled in, you should send him back by e-mail.
His email:
prof.dr.waldinger.pois@gmail.com

Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger's website:
http://www.post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome.com/en/index.html


First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


There are a couple of ways to get any or all of the above 3 studies: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF.

Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,000,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

aspagnito, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

[John21 (OP)]

I think it's great to get an acceptance. Doesn't matter that much what problems we're dealing with, but when it goes to the fruit we're giving, some people may give a lot more than it seems.

Aspagnito, sorry to hear that you are suffering with something as well. You are correct, we should all be supportive as our ailments all fall under the umbrella of mental health. Sorry if I sounded rude, perhaps even people without POIS can have sex affect their cognition to a degree. I have not heard of this personality type concept before, as it might affect mental health. I assure you that my POIS did not differentiate, it was like a switch. I say "was" because I am chaste and it only affects me occasionally from NEs (nocturnal emissions).

[demografx]

B_Jim, yes, it is a stupid joke video. The name "Post Orgasmic EVIL Syndrome" is the first clue.

[Vandemolen3]

After 10 hours I still have a big red spot on my arm. The previous time it went away after 4 hours.

[Vandemolen3]

I was in Asia for a holiday. I also visited a spice garden. There the guide said that if I have a lot of flu and rash in the throat and nose I must try fresh cinnamon. So I bought some and make tea of it. The guide said that there are 2 types of fresh cinnamon being sold. One is cheap and doesn't help.

[Vincent M]

I found this about some herb in a google alert:

"I tried kratom recently and really liked it-not necessarily because it got me high, but because it beautifully counteracted the symptoms of my POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome), which are: muscle tension, restricted breathing, zero drive/motivation, drained feeling, lack of emotion, social anxiety, brain fog, no concentration, negative thoughts, general feeling of shittiness.
I know the people in Southeast Asia chew Kratom virtually daily--and they seem to be doing alright. Do you think I could do it say, twice a week, without getting addicted or experiencing too much tolerance?"
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=570478

I wonder has anyone heard of kratom? I looked it up and it is illegal in some countries in Asia, but in the U.S. you can order it online completely legally.

[John21 (OP)]

I was in Asia for a holiday. I also visited a spice garden. There the guide said that if I have a lot of flu and rash in the throat and nose I must try fresh cinnamon. So I bought some and make tea of it. The guide said that there are 2 types of fresh cinnamon being sold. One is cheap and doesn't help.

Cassia and ceylon are the two types of cinnamon. They have similar but different tastes. Cassia is the common grocery store type. It has a blood thinning component and therefore it can be dangerous to take too much and likewise it has medicinal benefits in the correct quantity. Ceylon does not have the danger nor the medicinal benefit, as I understand it anyway.

[Animus]

Today I had another injection for the desensitization. Normally the dilution of the semen is 1/10.000. But this time I had 1/1.000. Normally 1/1.000 is reached after 5 months. The doctor said that the chance of chance of complications is the biggest in the first months. But they had a good research and that's why it was possible for me to go to 1/1.000. After 3 years the dilution is 1/20.

That's great Van. did you have a chance to ask Dr.Waldinger the questions we asked about last time? I don't remember exactly what they were, but it was something about comparing the skin P r i c k test for those who have POIS and those who don't... Carlitto asked it also.

[daveman]

rock27 : hmm sorry then. And sorry for your wallet. I thought it was important because the papers don't explain this point.
Vandermolen3 : thank you for the very precious numbers of the dilution you gave. I will keep them !
Aspagnito : welcome if you think you have Pois.

Well, your research is new. The Dr. Waldinger paper names the tissue and explains that it's the likely sensitive point, but your research and description as a lymphatic tissue is VERY enlightening. Something that Dr. Waldinger would have known all about and the reason, I'm sure, for his certainty.

[Nightingale]

I just got diagnosed with vitamin D deficiency after getting a low result on a blood lab.  !  Apparently this can make one very sluggish, and has been connected with depression.  I'm on a 3 month regimin of supplements, with a giant 50,000 unit dose once a week for 3 weeks.  I'll let y'all know

[Vandemolen3]

That's great Van. did you have a chance to ask Dr.Waldinger the questions we asked about last time? I don't remember exactly what they were, but it was something about comparing the skin P r i c k test for those who have POIS and those who don't... Carlitto asked it also.

Like you I didn't remember the question. I just came back from a holiday. The only thing I remembered was that there were a few questions. I didn't had the chance and the time to look which ones. Maybe next time. I have an appointment about 5 weeks. Please help me remember.

[Vandemolen3]

I just got diagnosed with vitamin D deficiency after getting a low result on a blood lab.  !  Apparently this can make one very sluggish, and has been connected with depression.  I'm on a 3 month regimin of supplements, with a giant 50,000 unit dose once a week for 3 weeks.  I'll let y'all know

The best thing is to book a trip to a warm country. Two weeks of sun is better than 1 year of supplements. For me that's one of the reasons I booked 2 vacations in a row. Because my vitamin D level is 16. It should be 85.

[lauracostis]

I just got diagnosed with vitamin D deficiency after getting a low result on a blood lab.  !  Apparently this can make one very sluggish, and has been connected with depression.  I'm on a 3 month regimin of supplements, with a giant 50,000 unit dose once a week for 3 weeks.  I'll let y'all know

The best thing is to book a trip to a warm country. Two weeks of sun is better than 1 year of supplements. For me that's one of the reasons I booked 2 vacations in a row. Because my vitamin D level is 16. It should be 85.

I agree Van, I already tried the prescription 50,000 unit vit D because I had low D levels, but I just felt weird after a couple doses and stopped. Instead I went to Hawaii for 9 days and liked it better than taking pills.

[MrMoonJr]

Hmm. I wonder if other vitamin deficiencies could also be tied in.. I was diagnosed with high Iron which too makes you draggy and tired and cognitively slow.