[connor]

The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies.  I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.

over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest.  I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this point

about 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.

what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamine

[Animus]

I'm sure most people can attribute faster pois healing with increased sperm regrowth.  It makes sense that when you feel good again, your body has a full supply of semen.  So I was wondering, shouldn't DHA help with that.  I know DHA has been talked about but I wonder why its not too successful.  I think I will try a diet with mackeral, salmon and nuts though instead of taking supplements which might not be too effective.

Also I found that further, changing to a more natural diet, or consumption of supplements to compensate for a dietary imbalance, has been associated with reduced violent behavior[1] and increase attention span, but the mechanisms for the effect are still unclear.

That would explain why I might be sudden prone to more irritated outbursts and add like behavior in pois.  The body might be in a lack of certain nutrients in trying to compensate for lost semen.  This might also explain why ejaculating again during pois makes it so much more worse.  You are further increasing the imbalanced.

Also if you have a dry ejaculation, the pois symptoms are less severe, it all kinda makes sense =D.

I agree with you. this is how I also see POIS. I think some of us are calling it the regeneration theory...It's still pretty loose, and open to discussion. but essentially what you're saying.
I think it may be possible that testosterone is elevated in the body post-ejaculation and during POIS. Because I also used to feel the irritated outbursts and some belligerence during POIS. And get pimples too- which are caused by high testosterone.
good luck with your new diet.

[spence23]

The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies.  I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.

over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest.  I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this point

about 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.

what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamine

I'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine),  paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin.  The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison.  Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose.  

Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same.  Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.

[CertainlyPOIS]

i think i get those depressions but mine dont last as long. it is different from that normal pois depression of hating situation. I just hate my self for no reason. But the twist with mine is it happens the day before recovery, if it happens i know i am about heal. Alway baffled me.

[demografx]

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[demografx]

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[demografx]

http://www.drlwilson.com/...

Please let me know what you think, or if you have seen this before.

Hi jive,

I would disregard any "info" you have found on "Dr" Wilsons page.

Have a look at his "Vaccination Horror Story" (bottom of main page). This has been scientifically refuted and his recommendations on vaccination are utter BS. If you do not trust my views on this I suggest you at least cross check everything "Dr" Wilson puts out there with more reliable (scientific) sources.

-> eur79m : Thanks for the Heads up on Dr Wilson. Yeah, after reading his stuff on Vaccinations and Coffee Enemas..Starting to sound a bit dubious.

I'm afraid eur79m is being even more cautious than necessary.

When I checked the site and saw "Dr. Mercola" being cited in the "Horror Story", my quack-alert eyes got bigger. He's been discredited here on a number of occasions.

www.QuackWatch.org recently published, "FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims"
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html

Thank you, eur79m and jive talk!

[connor]

The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies.  I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.

over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest.  I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this point

about 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.

what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamine

I'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine),  paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin.  The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison.  Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose.  

Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same.  Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.

were you on wellbutrin by itself? or was it anadjunct to another antidepressant?

[Hoping]

The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies.  I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.

over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest.  I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this point

about 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.

what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamine

I'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine),  paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin.  The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison.  Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose.  

Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same.  Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.

were you on wellbutrin by itself? or was it anadjunct to another antidepressant?

I just wanted to chime in that I've been taking 150mg wellbutrin for the past two or three years. This is a fairly low dosage. I feel like I have more energy while on the drug. I feel like my "lows" aren't quite as low. POIS-induced depression and mood swings are still a big problem for me, but the wellbutrin may have lessend them -- it's difficult to remember my pre-wellbutrin self.
Connor and Spence --> what dosage did you try?

[Mer]

I just noticed after being sexually excited and urinating a minute after, I found my body very cold and started to have brain fog.. anyone had the same experience?
I didn`t ejaculate but have seen the transparent liquid coming out. Only after urinating I felt cold and etc.

[demografx]

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[silverandcol]

Omg I found a cure!

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[lauracostis]

Omg I found a cure!

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good find

[John21 (OP)]

I donated $100 towards the NORD research fund, I think. I did not receive a confirmation email so I am not exactly sure that it went through. Maybe they only process the transactions during the week?

POIS Update:
I have been taking fenugreek capsules daily: at night before bed. Someone posted a link to a study showing a possible link between taking fenugreek and lowered sperm production. On that basis, plus the fact that it has other positive effects for me I am taking it at night, partially as a defense against NEs.

A few weeks ago I had an NE. When I got up to urinate it did seem to be easier to get the stream going than what is typical, but perhaps that was just my perception. I immediately ate some sweet potatoes and for the next two weeks I ate that plus other anti-inflammatory foods such as salmon, blueberries, garlic, etc. For those two weeks I had zero symptoms. After two weeks I did have some burnout, which may or may not have been related to the NE. Coincidentally I had forgotten to take the fenugreek when that happened, and upon resumption (plus lots of anti-inflammatory foods) the burnout lifted. So between these two possible defences I think I have something that seems to be working. It is currently untested on an O. I have since upped my fenugreek to two capsules nightly, and I feel good on it. Hey maybe I can start dating soon!

[demografx]

I donated $100 towards the NORD research fund.

John, our first and longest-standing member, thank you very much !!

[Pharaoh]

POIS Update:

The Allegra + Cyproheptadine (anti-histamines) treatment definitely does not work.  Furthermore, I was able to recover much quicker with a daily complete multi-vitamin + cardio/weight training.  I had an O on Wednesday, and the symptoms have been sever, including back muscle pain that had me awake almost all night.  Today, after dragging myself out of bed, I decided to hit the gym for a cardio session.  Couldn't do any weights because I've been suffering from shoulder pain, and following the O, back pain.  I'm going to see a specialist next week to check if it's tendinitis or bursitis, or something else.  But, back to the cardio session.  Before going I took Jack3d, a "nitric oxide" pre-workout supplement that gives you a serious boost.  I did 1 hr of high intensity walking with alternating incline, then took 1 Mind Body & Spirit (rhodiola rosea) and Energy Reserves (same company).  I was still feeling a bit fatigued, and not the post-workout kind, but the POIS kind.  Then I received my order of Controlled Labs Orange Triad, a multi-vitamin, joint, digestion & immune formula.  I ordered it after running out of GNC mega men sport, and because I read it would help with the joint pain.  Incredibly, I started feeling so much better after taking 1 tablet.  The directions recommend starting with 1 to assess your individual tolerance to the formula.  And then taking 3 with breakfast and 3 with dinner daily.   I also had an iced coffee and a met-rx big colossal protein bar.  The only difference between the last few days since the O and today is the Orange Triad.  Plus, I think having an O while going off a multi-vitamin may have been an issue.  Btw, the POIS symptoms haven't completely left, but I had energy, and didn't suffer any social-anxiety when I went out later in the day. 

So, in conclusion, I learned that a good multi-vitamin is a must when dealing with POIS. 

Btw, I've come across a number of studies using psychotropic substances to deal with depression and other mental disorders, including autism.  I've always been interested in DMT, and some of you may have seen the documentary "The Spirit Molecule" about the use of DMT by ancient cultures (Egyptians) and shamans (in the form of ayahuasca) to stimulate the pineal gland and trigger a metaphysical/transcendental experience/state.  There is an excellent National Geographic story written by a woman who used ayahuasca under the guidance of Shamans in South America to overcome depression and deal with other illnesses.  I strongly suggest you read it: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html [nofollow].

After doing some research on the use of these type of substances I came across the Heffter Institute: http://www.heffter.org/about.htm [nofollow].  This is a very serious research institute funding "research at the frontiers of the mind" with medical doctors and professors from the top universities.  They're looking into the use of psychotropic substances as pharmacological uses.  I've actually contacted a few at the Johns Hopkins Medical School to volunteer for any current or future studies after reading one of their papers in the Journal of Psychopharmacology: "Mystical-type experiences occasioned by psilocybin mediate the attribution of personal meaning and spiritual significance 14 months later."  The title looks bizarre, but the authors are all senior professors at Johns Hopkins and the Journal is one of the top in its field.  Psilocybin is the psychotropic substance found in "magic" mushrooms and has been used for centuries for religious purposes.  I'm doing what I can to convince these doctors to administer dosages of this, or DMT, as a possible cure for POIS.  There is definitely a "trip," but many people have returned feeling "healed" from both psychological and physical ailments.  Furthermore, theses scientists are studying the neurological changes that these experiences cause.  One doctor, a biochemist, has already stated that they do not have any current studies that I would be suitable for, but I'm looking forward to the response of another who is psychiatrist.  Will keep you informed.

[Pharaoh]

POIS Update:
I have been taking fenugreek capsules daily: at night before bed. Someone posted a link to a study showing a possible link between taking fenugreek and lowered sperm production. On that basis, plus the fact that it has other positive effects for me I am taking it at night, partially as a defense against NEs.

Hi John21,

Thanks for sharing that with us.  I saw a study linking fenugreek with increased libido in men (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20072589-10391704.html [nofollow]).  So, I'm curious as to why it would reduce sperm production.  I know the testosterone I'm taking is supposed to reduce sperm production as well, although I can attest that it simultaneously increases libido.  So, there seems to be a tradeoff.  Have you felt an increased libido?

[John21 (OP)]

POIS Update:
I have been taking fenugreek capsules daily: at night before bed. Someone posted a link to a study showing a possible link between taking fenugreek and lowered sperm production. On that basis, plus the fact that it has other positive effects for me I am taking it at night, partially as a defense against NEs.

Hi John21,

Thanks for sharing that with us.  I saw a study linking fenugreek with increased libido in men (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20072589-10391704.html).  So, I'm curious as to why it would reduce sperm production.  I know the testosterone I'm taking is supposed to reduce sperm production as well, although I can attest that it simultaneously increases libido.  So, there seems to be a tradeoff.  Have you felt an increased libido?

Perhaps, I've had sex on the mind lately, it could be influenced by the fenugreek. But I am not sexually active so I may not be the best person to comment on that.

[demografx]

Omg I found a cure!

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[daveman]

We are officially in the NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders) database. The link to our entry is http://www.rarediseases.org/rare-disease-information/organizations/byID/3136/viewDetail

The presence of our data here will be very helpful on various levels, including greater exposure to potential researchers and donors alike.

Also, we are aware of the difficulty involved in finding our forums. With this entry, because of the high number of visits that NORD receives it will help capture even more new members, who are most important to us. Each one will be one step closer to real relief.