[jivetalk]

Damn it sucks that you have to inject for it to work. I hate needles, especially in pois mode.  Also getting shots is much more difficult =(.

silverandcol - Completely agree. Not to mention the risks of self injecting that Demo raised.
BUT...If thats what I gotta do then I'll do it. Its a pain in the ass (PUN intended) but its better than POIS.

[jivetalk]

1)  My uncle is a chiropractor and he gave me an adjustment.  First he twisted my neck, the main chiropractic treatment, and than he pressed heavily on my lower spine (cracking it), than pressed heavily on my upper spine (cracking it) with all of his strength.  I haven't had a headache, or inflammation in my head,as I called it, since than.  He told me it is called a cervicogenic headache.

GoingCrazy, I am assuming by reading your post that the chiropractic treatment was the most significant thing that helped. This for some reason resonates with me because every time I O, I get a lower back pain in my L3 part of the spine. It seems to happen when after I O. Very weird.

[demografx]

Have any of you guys seen the movie 'Limitless' ?

It is exactly how I imagine a POIS pill to be!

First of all, Great Movie!  Second of all, i definitely thought the same thing.
 
If you haven't seen the movie Limitless, I highly recommend it to all POISers.

Synopsis:

Stars Robert De Niro. Aspiring author Eddie Morra suffers from chronic writer's block, but his life changes instantly when an old friend introduces him to NZT, a new pharmaceutical that allows him to tap his full potential. With every synapse crackling, Eddie can recall everything he has ever read, seen or heard, learn any language in a day, comprehend complex equations and beguile anyone he meets. Soon Eddie takes Wall Street by storm, parlaying a small stake into millions. But, his accomplishments catch the attention of people willing to do anything to get their hands on his stash of NZT. With his life in jeopardy and the drug's brutal side effects taking their toll, Eddie attempts to hang on to his dwindling supply of NZT long enough to outwit his enemies.

[demografx]

[Injecting's] a pain in the ass (PUN intended) but it's better than POIS.

Just about ANYTHING is!!

Even waterboarding, I suspect! []

[jivetalk]

Hi Everyone, Yet another Hurdle in my POIS Battle.

I have spent the lest 3 hours ringing pharmacies in Australia and Health Food Stores/Supplment Vitamin stores.
It seems no-one in Australia seems to have Xanthinol Nicotinate in injectible (or even tablet) form - or at least that I have been able to find.

If anyone finds an online store that sells this stuff and ships to Australia, please let me know.

[Habibou]

There is no drugstore which sell Xanthiol Nicotinate in France either  []

For the chronic POIS in or out of POIS,do you think it could help to take the pills daily of Xanthiol Nicotinate, and then get the injection 60/100 minutes before the O?

I think, if it helps to avoid the POIS in a POIS period, then it could help to avoid POIS in a non POIS period...

 Dmitry, Do we have to change of syringe for every new injection? thank you  []

[demografx]

Xanthiol Nicotinate:
From my pharmacology-attorney friend
(He knows about my 5-way bypass open heart surgery and BP meds)


"Demo. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but I was out of the office at a hearing. I would not take it if you are on BP meds because of its vasodilation. Could cause hypotension. Also, if you are on a statin do not take it.

It is a compound of xanthine and nicotinic acid, both of which are vasodilators. It increases blood flow in many vascular beds and has been promoted for cerebrovascular disorder , but therapeutic benefits are insignificant."

[Habibou]

Dmitry, it is really kind of you to give us tips and answer all our questions !  []

[Habibou]

Perhaps Dmitry and Prof Waldinger should get in touch? to talk about their experiences and studies...more safe.

[John21 (OP)]

Hello fellow POIS sufferers, I haven't been on the forum in a while, and during that time I have found extreme success in possibly curing my POIS 100%.  I remember how in previous posts, animus explained how his POIS came from his spine up into his head.  So during this time I have done several different things, some based upon that information.  I will list what I believe to be the most important thing I have done, to the least important thing I have done.  I say this has cured my POIS 100% because I O'd 5 times about a week and a half ago without any POIS, and just yesterday I have O'd 4 times without any POIS.  Also am sleeping great.  Hopefully this stays strong.  So anyway...

1)  My uncle is a chiropractor and he gave me an adjustment.  First he twisted my neck, the main chiropractic treatment, and than he pressed heavily on my lower spine (cracking it), than pressed heavily on my upper spine (cracking it) with all of his strength.  I haven't had a headache, or inflammation in my head,as I called it, since than.  He told me it is called a cervicogenic headache.

2)  I now sleep with my head raised about 20-25 degrees.  Search "the way you are sleeping may be killing you" in ezine articles... it's giving me an error message if I put the actual link in.

3)  I've been taking clonazepam (probably not correct spelling), about once a week to help me sleep, I take about 1/4 of a pill.  But now I sleep regularly and very deeply without disturbance, all throughout the night without taking the sleeping pill.  It's actually an anti-seizure pill.  I don't need this any more.

4)  I've been getting a lot of exercise and sunlight.  Definitely helps with the circulation.

The only thing now, especially the last couple of days, instead of the "ache" being in my head that I believe causes POIS as it happens, it feels like it is now in my tailbone.  Now I feel like I have to go to the bathroom almost all the time.  It's really not that bad though.  SO much better than POIS.  This is just a nuisance, feels like a knot down there, and it could possibly just be from running and sports.  So for my POIS and maybe others, it feels as though this is "spine" based.  Possibly a bad alignment of the spine that comes out with headaches and POIS by supposedly blocking circulation.  I will update.

GC thats interesting about the chyropractic. My first ever symptoms when I was young was severe back pain, upper back if I remember correctly. The POIS ghost is present throughout the body. I am surprised that manipulation would help POIS, but what do I know? About POIS... not that much.

[daveman]

I understand that Xanthiol Nicotinate can do damage to the liver, especially when bypassing the stomach (intra-muscular injection).

I understand the desire to cure POIS (at all costs?). I can even understand doing controlled tests. If it is as safe as it sounds, then such tests should ba able to be performed with relative ease.

We all want a soultion to POIS, but we've waited most or all of our lives for a cure. 1) IS this a cure? 2) If not, what will we have learned by jumping all over this in an uncontrolled way?

Let's say that it helps symptoms but ISN'T a cure. What if it only works on some and not on others? What will we learn and know about this stuff if it isn't what it seems to be.

We have to stop going from one thing to another, and just dumping them if they don't work. We throw the baby away with the bath-water. When we could be learning from every failure. We just FAIL.

Don't we get tired of just failing?

[demografx]

For all our new visitors and friends!

We started a POIS Research Fund to boost our attack on The POIS Monster! Explained here:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=125.0

We raised $2,150 in just the first 2 weeks, with much more pledged!

And your POIS fund donation is most welcome here:
http://rarediseases.org/about/support/research-donations

Our new POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion!
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php

Our 4-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.

[demografx]

I understand that Xanthiol Nicotinate can do damage to the liver, especially when bypassing the stomach (intra-muscular injection).

mod edit - emphasis above mine - demo

Dave, many thanks for some sober reflection here!

[lauracostis]

ON THE POISCENTER SITE can we get a link, or do we already have a link to the NORD page for POIS donations. if not we need a "DONATE HERE" link on the top of the site.  WE have have many people browsing and passing through the site, and someone not related to our group may feel the urge to donate.

[silverandcol]

So what happened to dmitry o_o.  can we not discuss his cure now?

[Animus]

I understand that Xanthiol Nicotinate can do damage to the liver, especially when bypassing the stomach (intra-muscular injection).

I understand the desire to cure POIS (at all costs?). I can even understand doing controlled tests. If it is as safe as it sounds, then such tests should ba able to be performed with relative ease.

We all want a soultion to POIS, but we've waited most or all of our lives for a cure. 1) IS this a cure? 2) If not, what will we have learned by jumping all over this in an uncontrolled way?

Let's say that it helps symptoms but ISN'T a cure. What if it only works on some and not on others? What will we learn and know about this stuff if it isn't what it seems to be.

We have to stop going from one thing to another, and just dumping them if they don't work. We throw the baby away with the bath-water. When we could be learning from every failure. We just FAIL.

Don't we get tired of just failing?

wow, I've just caught up with the latest news here, and it's very interesting. I agree with daveman and demo about being cautiously optimistic. dmitri seems to have put a lot of work into this cure, and I hope to learn more about it. Perhaps we can organize a thread at the New Forum to discuss Xanthiol Nicotinate. It's pros and cons, it's legality, people's experience with it, etc.

I have to say my first impression was highly suspicious; and him wanting to make a personal profit from this doesn't help. I have seen other Russian scams which prey on people's vulnerability... they can be quite elaborate.

[daveman]

ON THE POISCENTER SITE can we get a link, or do we already have a link to the NORD page for POIS donations. if not we need a "DONATE HERE" link on the top of the site.  WE have have many people browsing and passing through the site, and someone not related to our group may feel the urge to donate.

Your right. I was looking for the link just today. There's a whole thread, but you have to wade through to find the donation link.

I'm on it.

Edit: I created a sticky thread (always on top within the donation category) with an easily seen title. Not Front Page, Front Page yet but I've got a couple of buttons coming, one is our direct link to our NORD database listing, and the other one will be the donation link. Front page buttons. But that requires a touch of coding. Coming soon to your local I-Explorer...

[daveman]

wow, I've just caught up with the latest news here, and it's very exciting. I agree with daveman and demo about being cautiously optimistic. dmitri seems to have put a lot of work into this cure, and I hope to learn more about it. Perhaps we can organize a thread at the New Forum to discuss Xanthiol Nicotinate. It's pros and cons, it's legality, people's experience with it, etc. It's going to take a lot of work, but I think if we structure this well, and are keenly aware of the potential pitfalls, we can do some good and avoid unnecessary harm.

I hope we can learn from this. daveman, can we open a specific thread for Xanthiol Nicotinate under Alternative Causes and Treatments? I think it'll be a lot safer if we all inform ourselves as much as possible before doing anything! thanks.

Great suggestion Animus, right on it!

Edit: Done.

[Animus]

wow, I've just caught up with the latest news here, and it's very exciting. I agree with daveman and demo about being cautiously optimistic. dmitri seems to have put a lot of work into this cure, and I hope to learn more about it. Perhaps we can organize a thread at the New Forum to discuss Xanthiol Nicotinate. It's pros and cons, it's legality, people's experience with it, etc. It's going to take a lot of work, but I think if we structure this well, and are keenly aware of the potential pitfalls, we can do some good and avoid unnecessary harm.

I hope we can learn from this. daveman, can we open a specific thread for Xanthiol Nicotinate under Alternative Causes and Treatments? I think it'll be a lot safer if we all inform ourselves as much as possible before doing anything! thanks.

Great suggestion Animus, right on it!

many thanks, daveman!

[demografx]

So what happened to dmitry o_o.  can we not discuss his cure now?

Dmitry is banned for promoting injectable medicine irresponsibly. Offering injectable medicine through the mail without diagnosis or medically-qualified, in-person treatment is irresponsible quack behavior.

I do not want to risk lives here with his encouraging illegal mail order drug activity. And since it is not easily available locally, there is a question of needing to buy the drug from him after we "sample" it. That is forbidden activity here.

With several people already willing and able to "try it" from him (he posted his email, which is a spamming activity), this had to stop. We have some people desperate enough to try anything.

But this is FAR from safe. It was very difficult for me to take this step, because, as much as anyone here, I want to see POIS cured.

But not by risking health in a serious way.

I totally encourage responsible discussion of the drug itself.