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Lastly, I also have experienced this cloudy urine. For a long time I have suspected that it is semen. Some places you read will tell you that it is phosphates and I think a way to test this is to add a potent acid to a beaker of the cloudy urine (like a strong vinegar or something) and it should go clear if it is phosphates. Like amijgoro I also have this "hair trigger penis". It makes riding the bus, cycling and some trousers very very uncomfortable - I hate it, it makes me feel very lightly POISy. So even when I haven't had an orgasm for a very long period of time, I still have this to contend with which gives me light POIS symptoms, so pure blissful mental clarity is something I don't often have I'm not sure if this is different from persistent sexual arousal disorder, I think it is because it is not that I have an erection all the time. Makes me suicidal sometimes! ^^ Nobody would understand though except for the people on this forum.
Quote from: Prancer on 07/08/2012 22:42:58So I wonder if anyone has ever tried an anti-androgen. They're sometimes used by people who have a hair loss problem or who have severe acne, but a side effect is lower sex drive. I came across a site where they were talking about reducing their drive because some of them are orgasm addicts.(http://www.eunuch.org/forums/showthread.php?1018-30-Days-of-Androcur). One of the interesting things I read was that it made one of the users clear minded and relaxed after taking it. It also significantly reduces semen volume. Many of the POISers here also have a very high libido, including me. I always wondered if a very high libido is a symptom of POIS, or if it is the other way around. I'm very casually thinking about trying something like this, but I wouldn't take such high doses that the users are taking over there, as I would want to lower my drive, not eliminate it. At the very least, it would reduce the amount of orgasms I have and allow me to abstain for way, way longer. This is just a question and not a recommendation to anyone. Also, there are a few side effects such as hot flashes lower muscle density.It is interesting that Demografx has been "cured" effectively by testosterone patches which would have the opposite effect of an anti-androgen.
So I wonder if anyone has ever tried an anti-androgen. They're sometimes used by people who have a hair loss problem or who have severe acne, but a side effect is lower sex drive. I came across a site where they were talking about reducing their drive because some of them are orgasm addicts.(http://www.eunuch.org/forums/showthread.php?1018-30-Days-of-Androcur). One of the interesting things I read was that it made one of the users clear minded and relaxed after taking it. It also significantly reduces semen volume. Many of the POISers here also have a very high libido, including me. I always wondered if a very high libido is a symptom of POIS, or if it is the other way around. I'm very casually thinking about trying something like this, but I wouldn't take such high doses that the users are taking over there, as I would want to lower my drive, not eliminate it. At the very least, it would reduce the amount of orgasms I have and allow me to abstain for way, way longer. This is just a question and not a recommendation to anyone. Also, there are a few side effects such as hot flashes lower muscle density.
Here's another back story. I was out in Coventry on the street and it got quite late. I was on the way back to the bus stop when two guys started giving me some trouble. A fight broke out and I fought them for a bit but being two against one they beat me down quite a bit until luckily some other people ran over and chased them off. I wasn't too bad, I had no blood or anything but I was quite dazed. The people called for an ambulance and when the paramedics arrived they looked at my pupils and kept asking me if I had "taken something". I repeatedly said no (not even alcohol) and they were very sceptical. So keywords aresympathetic nervous systemeye dilationfight-or-flightdopamine but here's the thing, dilated pupils from what I have read are caused by an EXCESS of dopamine. Isn't the general concensus that POIS is related to a lack of dopamine? Your thoughts please ^^
Acronym, only thing that I can think of is that I stopped smoking then, after being hevy smoker for 20 years or so(2-3 packs a day). I also got cardiac arhytmia after I kicked it and started using magnesium+b vitamin supplement. My mold/fungus/candida theory is based on my habit of having 4-5 beers (and sometimes even more) every night after work, that means a lot of yeast. That combined with antibiotics (whitch kill every useful microbe in your stomach, but yeast) is not a pleasent mix. I got white tongue and viscid saliva, developed lichen planus(spots on skin, bloody ulcers in my mouth-theyre worse when Im very worried and distressed) and nail fungus. So I kicked beer and other alcohol too, trying to get rid of them, stopped eating sugar etc. As I said I never had so severe POIS, as others here describe, or my other problems are equally annoying... Don`t know. Im a pack of problems . Didnīt mean to whine though. I had hairtrigger penis in my young puberties, but then again, who doesnīt. It kinda went away after 17 or so. Seems to me, that I developed POIS after kicking my bad habits
Not one doctor, of altogether 4, took seriously my candida theory, they all just talked about yeast infections of genitals. I took blood tests that turned out normal, including testosterone level (they didnīt test candida). I remember couple of times, that I had longer period (2-3weeks) without sex and Ive got itchy, reddish genitals, I blamed it to low hormone level and it wasnīt the same issue to me then. Anyway somehow I think all autoimmune disorders and allergies are related with mold/fungus toxines in our bodies. I took lamisil for three months 2 pills per day (twice the normal amount). At the same time I used terbinafinum ointment for my nails with a good outcome . But the fungus came slowly back after some time, so I blamed my working conditions and humidity. Basically I think, that candida/fungus gets stronger and immune to treatment, this explains the short term improvement with medications like nizoral and lamisil. At the moment I try all fresh vegetables diet, with two boiled eggs per day. The idea is cut off the starch/sugar as much as possible. Itīs my third day now and I expected some severe revenge, but so far I have only fatique, mild headache and mild insomnia, that can be just malnutrition. And Im not sure I got POIS before or after kicking my bad habits, maybe it was one of the reasons I came clean... Im pretty sure it was the same time period though. I can do this diet only because Im in my summer vacation now, I must eat normal to cope with my everyday job ,which starts again next week. Oh, and I belive that mild POIS is bodys normal responce to losing bodily fluids, hormones and minerals, you just donīt notice it before it gets acute and it gets acute only if your balance is way off because of other possible factors. Mine is not so mild, but bearable compaired to the others here. And having a vacation helps in many ways. I think that stress is the vital factor too, with Pois and allergies and autoimmune diseases. Itīs kinda like they work together- stress triggers them and they bring stress along with them, so itīs like an endless circle.
...Sorry to hear your gf broke up with you over pois. Its happened to me a few times, and I suspect more even if they try to make out its not because of that. I feel having pois also makes it hard to get a gf (in terms of having vitality & confidence) to begin with for some of us and that has definitly been the case for me + I am a skinny guy also and most girls are less friendly to begin with because of that. I initially dont tell a new woman I have pois, but after a while when she complains and wanting more sex I explain it. Because the relationships have not been long term to begin with, the last few lost interest in me after I told them. A number of guys here are married or have gfs. I wonder if most have found it a big negative when it came to gfs.
THEORY: ADRENALINEIn the last 4 months my wife and I have been trying to have children. At first this was a terrifying prospect for me as I get severe psychological problems with the O. So bad I would normally only have one once every month or two. Anyway before this stage in our life I was terrified to have sex but something interesting has happened. Every time I have the "O" I have used my knowledge of how it effects me in a positive way. For example I thought to lay low with my social interactions because normally POIS challenges my social confidence, make a greater effort in my work performance because normally I perform poorly experiencing the brain fog, know I'm not seeing things to clearly so not respond to critically etc. And I found that I some how coped with the POIS effects ok. Then trying for babies again and another "O" and I have to be on guard again! And this experience has been repeated over and over. When I had breaks and the fog cleared for a short while I noticed I had performed better at points when I had severe POIS? Generally life is not worth living and everything feels bad with POIS, so the question is why is there a change? After some thought I've come up with the idea of adrenaline. Ok here's the theory I get so mentally psyched up that I produce natural adrenaline out of a pure desire to exercise as much control over my POIS as possible. I guess its like when I kayak a hard rapid, first I prepare for it by studying the danger areas and mentally rehearse my decent down the rapid. Then I get on the water and it's clam and glassy before leading into the big water, I'm pumped and focused on what I have to do then finally I hit the big water and I'm trying to stick to the plan the best I can through the rapid. And eventually I pop out in one piece down the other side. It's the adrenaline,will desire and having some knowledge of my POIS experience that gets me POIS moments. The POIS problems don't go away but I prepare for them so I can come out the other side in one piece. I don't know how adrenaline works when given to people but I wonder how it would work if I took it in small doses when I have POIS? I know there are views about antihistamines on this site so I wonder if this has any links to antihistamines? Because when a person has allergies they need antihistamines when they get a bad reaction but in severe reaction adrenaline is given to fight the infection. Do antihistamines carry adrenaline like properties? Is being given some adrenaline a good idea? Will it give us the energy, vitality and clarity in our moments of brain fog? Anyway look forward to hearing your thoughts : ) b_racer
Kurtosis, that sounds very logical.This kind of plays into my dopamine theory...during sexual arousal the body uses up a lot of dopamine...some of it is converted to norepinephrine (adrenaline). Since the hypothalamus is compromised by an immune reaction (elevated cortisol), the body is unable to replenish dopamine levels and therefore natural adrenaline response is also affected (feeling fatigued).Have any of you noticed that you look different after "O"...like more pale and swollen eyes...and just a really tired look?The symptoms of POIS and sexual exhaustion are very similar...from what I understand sexual exhaustion is caused by neurotransmitter depletion...
JP's PROFILE QUESTIONI agree with JP that if we learn more about each others' shared traits and similarities, we may learn more about POIS contributing factors.I won't lay out my life story here, but I'll try to check in time to time with tidbits that may be relevant.I suffer terrible jet lag, almost like POIS. The most disturbing part is an incredibly intense feeling of disorientation, particularly after the return home. Like the proverbial fish out of water. It can last a week on both sides.Depression and ADD have periodically been problems as I noted earlier.POIS has ruined a good chunk of my life, either beause of active symptoms or "hanging over my head" like a curse.Enough for now, thanks