The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Member Map
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. On the Lighter Side
  3. New Theories
  4. Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: 1 ... 857 858 [859] 860 861 ... 1010   Go Down

Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

  • 20189 Replies
  • 8572924 Views
  • 3 Tags

0 Members and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline GoingCrazy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 554
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17160 on: 24/08/2012 23:52:17 »
Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 23/08/2012 18:43:34
It is my understanding that this is an alergic reaction to semen.  If this is true, why would a woman have the reaction with no  exposure to semen?  Thanks for comments.   Joe L. Ogan 

I would say most likely the woman does not have POIS.  But it is still possible.  As mermaid posted about a dopamine/prolactin issue, that might be her own issue, or who knows, she could have POIS.  It's already proved by the overwhelming amount of male sufferers that have this issue that it is most likely a reaction to semen.  That is the main difference between male and female, so that is believed to be the culprit.  Although there could be something that we both share, such as a hormone.  Most likely it is still semen/sperm because of the very large ratio of male to female.
Logged
 



Offline GoingCrazy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 554
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17161 on: 24/08/2012 23:54:55 »
Quote from: littledragon on 23/08/2012 18:13:39
hi all,

here is a little info/update about my P.O.I.S. experience
I have been taking niacin tablets for 3 months now and I can say it really has minimized my P.O.I.S symptoms and I'm feeling like a newborn man
the only most important thing is that I really have to have a FLUSH, otherwise the 'nightmare' will still occur
this happened to me yesterday, when I took my standard 200mg
somehow my body didn't react to it (I think the reason was I didn't drink enough water) and I decided to take another extra 100mg
still nothing happened so I decided to get an 'O' (after 1 hour) because I did not want to take an overdose of niacin
30 minutes later as I went to bed, my P.O.I.S. symptoms came back!
after having a terrible night, without hardly any sleep, a burning feeling and a lot of toilet visits (I always drink a lot of water after my 'O'), I actually felt quite good today
the 300mg niacin did kinda do its job, although it was after the 'O'

so I recommend ALWAYS GET A FLUSH before 'O' and try to urinate afterwards as soon as possible to get a clean valve


Having a flush after "O" seems to increase symptoms for me, possibly because of the large amount of prostaglandins that are being released.  Pre-O and then I am fine.
Logged
 

Offline Nightingale

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 92
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17162 on: 25/08/2012 19:31:31 »
I have a question:  was there someone here who complained about getting POIS after having their back "cracked" during a massage session?  I seem to remember reading this somewhere but I can't find it...
Logged
 

Offline chris

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 7942
  • Activity:
    6.5%
  • Thanked: 273 times
  • The Naked Scientist
    • View Profile
    • The Naked Scientists
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17163 on: 26/08/2012 09:35:25 »
There was an interesting paper in PNAS this week by Gregg Adams from the University of saskatchewan. He has been looking at semen constituents that can trigger ovulation when injected into certain species.

Specifically, it's known that some animals are reflex ovulators, meaning that they only release an egg when they mate (koalas, camels, llamas and rabbits are examples).

The Canadian team have found that this substance is a nerve growth factor called NGF, the normal role for which is to nourish nerve cells.

But here is where things get interesting. Injecting NGF into llamas' muscles will make them ovulate. And it also works on mice, that are normally spontaneous ovulators, like us.

So the team speculate that, once placed in the female genital tract, NGF present in semen can move, via the bloodstream, to the brain where it affect the hormones that control fertility.

They speculate in the paper that, even though humans are not reflex ovulators, the fact that men still make the substance means that it could be making a contribution to human fertility (and infertility if the male is deficient or the female insensitive to the effect).

One therefore wonders whether the release of NGF from the seminal glands during ejaculation means that it is absorbed into the male circulation too, and whether this might have onward physiological effects?

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/15/1206273109

Chris
Logged
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception - Groucho Marx - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/
 

Offline kurtosis

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 360
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17164 on: 26/08/2012 13:19:54 »
Quote from: chris on 26/08/2012 09:35:25
There was an interesting paper in PNAS this week by Gregg Adams from the University of saskatchewan. He has been looking at semen constituents that can trigger ovulation when injected into certain species.

Specifically, it's known that some animals are reflex ovulators, meaning that they only release an egg when they mate (koalas, camels, llamas and rabbits are examples).

The Canadian team have found that this substance is a nerve growth factor called NGF, the normal role for which is to nourish nerve cells.

But here is where things get interesting. Injecting NGF into llamas' muscles will make them ovulate. And it also works on mice, that are normally spontaneous ovulators, like us.

So the team speculate that, once placed in the female genital tract, NGF present in semen can move, via the bloodstream, to the brain where it affect the hormones that control fertility.

They speculate in the paper that, even though humans are not reflex ovulators, the fact that men still make the substance means that it could be making a contribution to human fertility (and infertility if the male is deficient or the female insensitive to the effect).

One therefore wonders whether the release of NGF from the seminal glands during ejaculation means that it is absorbed into the male circulation too, and whether this might have onward physiological effects?

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/15/1206273109

Chris

Fascinating. Do you think it might be possible to lose too much NGF via semen or have a mutation? pro-NGF appears to cause nerve apostosis.

A few of us have had MRI's and AFAIK no neurologist has seen lesions so our assumption has been that this is mostly neurochemical.
Logged
 



Offline Redpepper

  • First timers
  • *
  • 1
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17165 on: 26/08/2012 14:17:21 »
Hi.
Logged
 

Offline chris

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 7942
  • Activity:
    6.5%
  • Thanked: 273 times
  • The Naked Scientist
    • View Profile
    • The Naked Scientists
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17166 on: 27/08/2012 21:56:45 »
Quote from: kurtosis on 26/08/2012 13:19:54
Quote from: chris on 26/08/2012 09:35:25
There was an interesting paper in PNAS this week by Gregg Adams from the University of saskatchewan. He has been looking at semen constituents that can trigger ovulation when injected into certain species.

Specifically, it's known that some animals are reflex ovulators, meaning that they only release an egg when they mate (koalas, camels, llamas and rabbits are examples).

The Canadian team have found that this substance is a nerve growth factor called NGF, the normal role for which is to nourish nerve cells.

But here is where things get interesting. Injecting NGF into llamas' muscles will make them ovulate. And it also works on mice, that are normally spontaneous ovulators, like us.

So the team speculate that, once placed in the female genital tract, NGF present in semen can move, via the bloodstream, to the brain where it affect the hormones that control fertility.

They speculate in the paper that, even though humans are not reflex ovulators, the fact that men still make the substance means that it could be making a contribution to human fertility (and infertility if the male is deficient or the female insensitive to the effect).

One therefore wonders whether the release of NGF from the seminal glands during ejaculation means that it is absorbed into the male circulation too, and whether this might have onward physiological effects?

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/15/1206273109

Chris

Fascinating. Do you think it might be possible to lose too much NGF via semen or have a mutation? pro-NGF appears to cause nerve apostosis.

A few of us have had MRI's and AFAIK no neurologist has seen lesions so our assumption has been that this is mostly neurochemical.

I was thinking more about the possibility that the NGF, released during ejaculation, might enter the male circulation in some way and that this might cause a physiological effect in males too.
Logged
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception - Groucho Marx - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/
 

Offline kurtosis

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 360
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17167 on: 28/08/2012 08:56:29 »
Quote from: chris on 27/08/2012 21:56:45
Quote from: kurtosis on 26/08/2012 13:19:54
Quote from: chris on 26/08/2012 09:35:25
There was an interesting paper in PNAS this week by Gregg Adams from the University of saskatchewan. He has been looking at semen constituents that can trigger ovulation when injected into certain species.

Specifically, it's known that some animals are reflex ovulators, meaning that they only release an egg when they mate (koalas, camels, llamas and rabbits are examples).

The Canadian team have found that this substance is a nerve growth factor called NGF, the normal role for which is to nourish nerve cells.

But here is where things get interesting. Injecting NGF into llamas' muscles will make them ovulate. And it also works on mice, that are normally spontaneous ovulators, like us.

So the team speculate that, once placed in the female genital tract, NGF present in semen can move, via the bloodstream, to the brain where it affect the hormones that control fertility.

They speculate in the paper that, even though humans are not reflex ovulators, the fact that men still make the substance means that it could be making a contribution to human fertility (and infertility if the male is deficient or the female insensitive to the effect).

One therefore wonders whether the release of NGF from the seminal glands during ejaculation means that it is absorbed into the male circulation too, and whether this might have onward physiological effects?

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/15/1206273109

Chris

Fascinating. Do you think it might be possible to lose too much NGF via semen or have a mutation? pro-NGF appears to cause nerve apostosis.

A few of us have had MRI's and AFAIK no neurologist has seen lesions so our assumption has been that this is mostly neurochemical.

I was thinking more about the possibility that the NGF, released during ejaculation, might enter the male circulation in some way and that this might cause a physiological effect in males too.

Looks possible. It may happen anyway of course so I wonder what's different about the POIS sufferer?
Interesting to read http://www.farmacol.bs.it/imgCGroup/file/4.pdf
Quote
"The ELISA performed in serum obtained from men indicated that NGF concentration was 40.8 ą 10.8 pg/ml, whereas women showed statistically significant lower levels, that were influenced by the menstrual cycle."
and
Quote
Taken together, present data point out that serum NGF concentration is sex-related and indicate a possible role of sex steroids as modulators of NGF secretion in humans. Further, these results strongly suggest that NGF is secreted in the bloodstream from the pituitary gland, modulated by a DA-mediated mechanism

as a direct correlation between PRL / Prolactin and NGF secretion is interesting to note. Many of the cognitive symptoms we're suffering from seem to indicate low or volatile dopamine levels around an O.
Logged
 

Offline meteo74

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 50
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17168 on: 28/08/2012 09:17:14 »
If you want to get pois,just try to masturbate, 3 or 4 times a day,then wait for 2 or 3 months and now you are pois man.
you well never get red of pois even you stopped Masturbation.(thats my story)

If you started your emotional life with a woman,then you well stay away of pois Although you do ma. in an Occasional times. that support that hand mas. is different from
coition.
it seems to me we fight some thing destroyed our bodies and fled. so we have nothing to do except reduce some symptoms.
Logged
 



Offline rock27

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 80
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17169 on: 30/08/2012 20:55:53 »
I am really impressed with the medical pioneering many here are doing. But at the same time, dr. Waldinger had a research paper that showed over 80% were positive at an intradermal allergy test. So in my humble opinion, over 80% should pursue desensitization. If slit doesn't work, try scit. Of course you could be the 20%. But be aware that there is also "evidence" that says testosterone and vitamines like b3 suppress allergy symptoms. And supplements can have side-effects, who wants so be on medication or supplements for life?
Logged
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.
 

Offline Omen 30

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 60
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17170 on: 01/09/2012 09:05:06 »
brain fog is become a part of my life...life was always like this but now after knowing that i am suffering thru something i am a lot stressed...
Logged
 

Offline meteo74

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 50
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17171 on: 01/09/2012 13:43:35 »
For me,if I do a massage to my head,then the symptoms in my head well be worse.
Logged
 

Offline observercenter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 87
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17172 on: 01/09/2012 17:44:26 »
Quote from: Omen 30 on 01/09/2012 09:05:06
brain fog is become a part of my life...life was always like this but now after knowing that i am suffering thru something i am a lot stressed...

And stress worsens POIS symptoms, I think this is fact. How much time are you suffering POIS after an O.?
Logged
 



Offline observercenter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 87
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17173 on: 01/09/2012 17:49:37 »
Quote from: rock27 on 30/08/2012 20:55:53
I am really impressed with the medical pioneering many here are doing. But at the same time, dr. Waldinger had a research paper that showed over 80% were positive at an intradermal allergy test. So in my humble opinion, over 80% should pursue desensitization. If slit doesn't work, try scit. Of course you could be the 20%. But be aware that there is also "evidence" that says testosterone and vitamines like b3 suppress allergy symptoms. And supplements can have side-effects, who wants so be on medication or supplements for life?

Dr.Waldingerīs research paper falls short. Some doctors say that if someone gets an injection with ketchup, he will show a positive reaction, the same will occur with semen, so we have here some questions to be answered. I believe that POIS is at least partly inmunological  because these treatments work, but we only can wonder about it until we get a serious research done...
Logged
 

Offline rock27

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 80
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17174 on: 01/09/2012 21:25:33 »
We need more research for sure and donations at the NORD fund. If we not make this happen, we can talk about it till we die. From what I read on the internet, allergy tests are somehow difficult to be conclusive, so I think we should focus on getting as many people on desensitization. If let's say 90% get cured we consider that as evidence. Problem is getting them on desensitization as most allergists won't start without conclusive evidence. Solution will be the research fund (and get advanced allergy tests done) and us going to allergists and hitting them with the Waldinger paper and also telling about the huge impact pois has on our life (it is not just sneezing a few times).
Logged
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.
 

Offline B_Daniel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 298
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 2 times
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17175 on: 02/09/2012 06:36:07 »
I've spent a lot of time and effort believing my POIS experience reconciled with Dr. Waldinger's crappy research.  I brought my 1-hr old semen to be tested on me via a skin-pr1ck test by a distinguished allergy professor at UCSF hospital.  It was negative.  Not believing him though, I bought 26-gauge needles and performed my own intradermal test, a few diff times (after thoroughly researching how to do it).  This came up Negative every time.  Still not convinced that I wasn't allergic, I performed Sublingual treatments for many months, going from 1:60K dilution down to 1:100.  I got no results. 

Guys, it's time we move past this guy and stop putting him and his crummy research on a pedestal.  Frankly, I'm pretty upset that I've allowed myself to be led down a blind alley for such a long period of time.  If you think you're allergic, find a way to get tested and get that answer solved for yourself.  I know that for myself, and a lot of other people here, semen allergy is not the answer.

What makes a whole lot more sense to me is dopamine depletion.  It absolutely jives with how I feel and it's one of the only conditions which properly explains my cognitive impairment, fatigue, etc.  I've been taking Kurtosis' cocktail of dopamine-restoring vitamins for the last few weeks and am definitely feeling better.  The treatment takes months to fully work, but slight improvement is seen within 4 weeks.   I'm working with numerous doctors who all think the dopamine depletion theory is reasonable, given my symptoms, and they also have confirmed that it takes time to fully restore dopamine.  Perhaps this is why we hadn't found this solution yet.
« Last Edit: 02/09/2012 07:06:16 by B_Daniel »
Logged
2-3 days, brain fog, anxiety, dry eyes, lethargy.
 

Offline pois

  • First timers
  • *
  • 5
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17176 on: 02/09/2012 12:04:03 »
Quote from: kurtosis on 21/08/2012 10:13:37
Quote from: CertainlyPOIS on 21/08/2012 02:59:20
Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43
Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55
Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction?

Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry?  If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...

Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55
The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).

Oh really?  If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???

why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.

For the benefit of Joe L. Ogan, POIS sufferers can be very touchy about any suggestion that the disease is psychiatric in origin. The reason for this is quite obvious when you think about it. The natural response for doctors hearing about such an illness is to assume some psychosexual condition brought about by anxiety and stress related to sexual acts. Some of us have experienced severe cognitive symptoms which have rendered us unable to function including displacement, severe memory loss, inability to concentrate accompanied by headaches, pain behind the eyes etc.

From what I've read most POIS sufferers have been referred to psychiatrists (or variations thereof) but, despite taking the range of meds prescribed, not a single POIS sufferer has been cured by treatment of an anxiety disorder.

That's really important to understand. There are sufferers who have taken their prescribed medication for months or years while still suffering POIS symptoms. I can't speak for everybody but I do feel a bit let down by the greater medical community. Apart from NORD, people suffering from a rare condition are being treated like lunatics, malingerers or both.

I myself have experienced this whereupon a psychiatrists attempted to find anxiety issues that weren't there over 2 sessions. Whenever I said I wasn't worried about something, he'd ask "are you sure?". The psychiatrist decided that I was simply suffering from an acute anxiety disorder and needed yet more medication. Eventually I got to see another shrink who decided I wasn't demonstrating any of the normal symptoms of an anxiety disorder and sent me to an allergist. This is proving fruitful and after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy.

This has left me with a very dim view of psychiatrists and the prescription of drugs with uncertain actions and severe interactions to cure illnesses that may or may not be in someone's head. You will find that view elsewhere on the forum as there are anecdotes about telling the psychiatrist / psychologist that whatever treatment isn't working and effectively being told that you / the problem is stubborn and needs more drugs.

That's why questions, no matter how well intentioned, about psychosomatic origins for POIS are like red rags to bulls.

Indeed far from generalised anxiety, the POIS sufferer seems solely anxious with what happens when they have an O but oddly remains optimistic of finding a cure. Personally, I'm not depressed. I've found ways to alleviate my symptoms but it's not "cured" and I do feel some frustration that a cause & cure haven't been identified. That's why we want to get a NORD research grant. 

Despite the condition, there's very little fighting or arguing on this and the other forum. Indeed, it seems that most of us have quantitative jobs like engineering and finance and just want to figure out a way past this as cognitive and memory problems are frustrating as are accompanying other symptoms which sometimes resemble hay fever.

Things that have brought some relief include niacin supplementation (so long as there's a flush of prostaglandin from mast cells and we can feel it), vasodilators, testosterone supplementation, supplements that boost testosterone and anti-allergy medications such as non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and steroidal anti-infllammatories.

So our working hypothesis is that POIS is at least partially caused by an allergy and that its cognitive symptoms may be caused by problems in neurotransmitter levels. That's where we are. It's been a long road getting there.



Kurtosis,

I was impressed by your willingness to look at "touchy" topics on this forum.

When I discovered four years ago that I had POIS, which had decimated my relational life for forty years, I struggled with the solutions and found nothing offered on this site to be successful. When I contacted Waldinger, he assured me that abstinence would stop the problem. At that point I had a decision to make, to keep fighting to find a way to be actively sexual or to find a way to accept the only known solution and find ways to live happily without sex, and in ten days it will be three years since I've been sexual with myself or others. I have not had one trace of the symptoms that plagued me since I was thirteen.

People say to abstinence " Well we still have nocturnal emissions", but is that really the activity that is causing the lion's share of the symptoms? No, it is not.

  And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic. Once again, the second time I contacted Waldinger he assured me that that was true, too. Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.

 The point is there is a way to solve this problem. It may not be what I like, but I care about solving the problem...not if I like the way it's solved.
Logged
 



Offline kurtosis

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 360
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17177 on: 02/09/2012 14:00:05 »
Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03
Quote from: kurtosis on 21/08/2012 10:13:37
Quote from: CertainlyPOIS on 21/08/2012 02:59:20
Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43
Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55
Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction?

Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry?  If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...

Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55
The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).

Oh really?  If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???

why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.

For the benefit of Joe L. Ogan, POIS sufferers can be very touchy about any suggestion that the disease is psychiatric in origin. The reason for this is quite obvious when you think about it. The natural response for doctors hearing about such an illness is to assume some psychosexual condition brought about by anxiety and stress related to sexual acts. Some of us have experienced severe cognitive symptoms which have rendered us unable to function including displacement, severe memory loss, inability to concentrate accompanied by headaches, pain behind the eyes etc.

From what I've read most POIS sufferers have been referred to psychiatrists (or variations thereof) but, despite taking the range of meds prescribed, not a single POIS sufferer has been cured by treatment of an anxiety disorder.

That's really important to understand. There are sufferers who have taken their prescribed medication for months or years while still suffering POIS symptoms. I can't speak for everybody but I do feel a bit let down by the greater medical community. Apart from NORD, people suffering from a rare condition are being treated like lunatics, malingerers or both.

I myself have experienced this whereupon a psychiatrists attempted to find anxiety issues that weren't there over 2 sessions. Whenever I said I wasn't worried about something, he'd ask "are you sure?". The psychiatrist decided that I was simply suffering from an acute anxiety disorder and needed yet more medication. Eventually I got to see another shrink who decided I wasn't demonstrating any of the normal symptoms of an anxiety disorder and sent me to an allergist. This is proving fruitful and after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy.

This has left me with a very dim view of psychiatrists and the prescription of drugs with uncertain actions and severe interactions to cure illnesses that may or may not be in someone's head. You will find that view elsewhere on the forum as there are anecdotes about telling the psychiatrist / psychologist that whatever treatment isn't working and effectively being told that you / the problem is stubborn and needs more drugs.

That's why questions, no matter how well intentioned, about psychosomatic origins for POIS are like red rags to bulls.

...



Kurtosis,

I was impressed by your willingness to look at "touchy" topics on this forum.

When I discovered four years ago that I had POIS, which had decimated my relational life for forty years, I struggled with the solutions and found nothing offered on this site to be successful. When I contacted Waldinger, he assured me that abstinence would stop the problem. At that point I had a decision to make, to keep fighting to find a way to be actively sexual or to find a way to accept the only known solution and find ways to live happily without sex, and in ten days it will be three years since I've been sexual with myself or others. I have not had one trace of the symptoms that plagued me since I was thirteen.

People say to abstinence " Well we still have nocturnal emissions", but is that really the activity that is causing the lion's share of the symptoms? No, it is not.

  And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic. Once again, the second time I contacted Waldinger he assured me that that was true, too. Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.

 The point is there is a way to solve this problem. It may not be what I like, but I care about solving the problem...not if I like the way it's solved.

Hi Pois,
I agree that's a touchy subject. I tried abstinence for about 4.5 years. It was enough to get a 1st class degree and to mostly finish a thesis in graduate school. This was a decision that I do not regret but if I look back at it, the point of the sacrifice was a great GPA which does not validate my life before, during or since.

I didn't have frequent O's until 2 years after that and I noticed that I was still prone to mild depression which I have since been told is a symptom of not being sexually active.

My experience is that NE's don't cause me much problems but that abstinence is not a complete cure as it is not physiologically normal. I would like to know whether Dr. Waldinger thinks abstinence is an option for younger sufferers? If he does I could direct him to several psychologists who would think it potentially harmful. Having said that, I have no problem with Dr. Waldinger or his research.

However, the problem is that an abstinent life, to me, is a very difficult life. I asked myself why I was alive and came to the conclusion that if the goal was to be as intellectually productive as I could be then I would continue with celibacy. However, I do not believe this is a worthwhile goal and I also do not believe it is possible to live with a fracture in your mind which set the goals of a relatively normal life with a partner and, perhaps, a family and the goals of intellectual productivity in opposition. The pressure between the 2 was too great for me.

This is not really a scientific discussion. It's perhaps philosophical and has aspects of psychology that would seem unverifiable. This appears to me a discussion about choice.  I fully respect your position but you're speaking as someone who has had 40 years of life which may have been
Quote
decimated by POIS
but was still varied, involved relationships and both the joy and pain they bring whether there's POIS or not. There are people who have illnesses and circumstances beyond POIS that have affected their relationships. Abstinence is an option but it may be impossible to achieve as it's in direct opposition to our normal human impulses and physiology.

However, I think that your key point is that abstinence deals with the symptoms that we think of as POIS and that's correct in my experience with provisos on age and frequency of NE's.  If I've misunderstood you, then let me know.
Logged
 

Offline observercenter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • 87
  • Activity:
    0%
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17178 on: 02/09/2012 16:07:59 »
Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03

Kurtosis,

I was impressed by your willingness to look at "touchy" topics on this forum.

When I discovered four years ago that I had POIS, which had decimated my relational life for forty years, I struggled with the solutions and found nothing offered on this site to be successful. When I contacted Waldinger, he assured me that abstinence would stop the problem.


When Dr. Waldinger contacted me, he was shocked to learn that niacin can block completely my POIS. Moreover, he was able to watch me suffering no POIS after an Orgasm. And I learned about niacin from this site, so it is not accurate to say that "nothing from this site is succesful" - Kurtosis method is just another proof. Now I have been in a relationship for +1year, and this is something I believed it was impossible for me...

And itīs true that Waldinger opened a new way, he was the first who coined the name and the first who made a research, but as he said in the last documentary: "We still do not know a lot of things about POIS". The most repeated sentence when I was with he/his teammate was "More research is neccesary". Are we going to get stuck with this indefinitely? We are advancing more and more. Your experience - 40 years with POIS- should have been really awful. For me it was 7 years without relief and it was more than enough - I have been nearly POIS free for more than a year and the difference, trust me, has been amazing - I do not want anyone to experience this hell, so we should fight until we discover the truth. Full abstinence, castration, etc - should not be the "solution". I can understand those who have decided to follow this path... and I think a good research can stop this.

Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03

At that point I had a decision to make, to keep fighting to find a way to be actively sexual or to find a way to accept the only known solution and find ways to live happily without sex, and in ten days it will be three years since I've been sexual with myself or others. I have not had one trace of the symptoms that plagued me since I was thirteen.

People say to abstinence " Well we still have nocturnal emissions", but is that really the activity that is causing the lion's share of the symptoms? No, it is not.

  And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic. Once again, the second time I contacted Waldinger he assured me that that was true, too. Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.


I do not understand what do you mean saying this. Could you explain yourself better?

All the best,
Logged
 

Offline B_Daniel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • 298
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 2 times
    • View Profile
Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #17179 on: 02/09/2012 17:40:04 »
Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03

  And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic..... Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.


The problem most definitely starts earlier than "post-orgasm".  In fact, I don't see a way that we ever find the root cause to this problem if we operate under the assumption that it doesn't.  Is anybody here offended by that statement?  BC if not i say we democratically remove it from the list of bannable offenses :)     
« Last Edit: 02/09/2012 17:44:16 by B_Daniel »
Logged
2-3 days, brain fog, anxiety, dry eyes, lethargy.
 



  • Print
Pages: 1 ... 857 858 [859] 860 861 ... 1010   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags: nicotinamide  / pois  / post-orgasmic illness syndrome 
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.133 seconds with 85 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.