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The biggest problem with Communism, is culture becomes divided into two classes; the power structure of the government and the minions, with no checks and balances on the power structure. If you are a student, ask your teacher, professor or anyone who preaches this, which of the two classes they see themselves belonging too, if we had communism? None will say the minions, because the minions are the slaves who do all the work, like drones but can never leave. The minions will be 90% of the population. All who preach Communism see themselves through the eyes of self importance and the ruling class. Nobody who teaches this, wants to be in the minion class. Communism only works if most of the people are lured to be minions. The sales pitch is intoxicating, but once you sober up, you are a slave. Capitalism and Republic forms of government provides a third and fourth option in terms of classes. There is a middle class, between ruling class and minions, that have enough self sufficiency to be buffered from the quotas of the ruling class. If the ruling class decides everyone has to eat beans for the next month, because powers decided on beans, or because those in power got a better kickback from beans, the middle class can buy corn in the open market. The minions are stuck with beans. The middle class is a thorn in the side of the power structure since it can influence the minions to want more. If you look on America, food stamps used to be connected to government distributed food products kept in government warehouses; 1950-60's. The food was good and was healthy, but very limited in variety; 5 pound blocks of cheese. The new approach for food stamps is closer to the middle class, with EBT credit cards that allow the poor to shop in the free market and enjoy the much wider variety. Food stamp implementation, went away from a closer to Communism model to choice in the free market. Ask the poor if they would like to back to full government control? Government does not know how to scale up in a cost effective way, because too much of the resources becomes skimmed by the power class; huge overhead. There is also a fourth class within open societies connected to the independently wealthy, who can influence the power structure from above. Those who seek power are greedy for money, to buy an election, so they can gain power. They will lie to everyone to get elected, with all types of promises. The rich can't directly make laws, but they can influence this process in back room deals with more leverage over the lying.The rich are rich, not because they control the army, like in Communism. They like, Bill Gates, are a billionaire because of talent and competition in the free market. Communist Castro is a billionaire because he makes the laws and controls the police and army and can seize wealth. That is how the Communist greedy make money. A greedy person will not change their nature in a new form of government. Some forms of government make greed easier to practice. If America went Communism, many of the political leaders will become part of the ruling class. Whether they are Democrat or Republican, they owe rich and greedy friends, who helped get them elected in the past. These people will get to tag along and be part of the ruling class. The ruling class knows it needs their talent, or the economy will tank. But now as part of the ruling class, they can practice greed without the checks and balances of the free market. If President Obama liked solar and was leader of Communist America, his former capitalism solar people will be retained to help promote the industry. Now they will be give a power monopoly in the marketplace, with them gaining great wealth, as long as they pay Obama a sizable tribute. The minions will get to ration the overpriced power. It is trickle down economics that gets funneled by the top. Young people, are often seduced into Communism. It promises that they can be a child forever, where the power structure and ruling class becomes mom and dad, providing for you and settling arguments among the children. Mom and Dad have the final say. But in practice, the child will someday want to be an adult. However, there is no room for them in the power structure, even with talent, since the two class system means you do not belong. Look at China. As pure Communism it looked like a billion average people barely scratching a living from the earth. Once a freer economy appeared, there is now a middle class, I am amazed at how much human potential suddenly appeared. It was repressed in two class Communism, but appears in a four class free system.
Let's talk simple economics, since economists can't cope with anything complicated.We live in a capitalistic world with only one consumable. You make a lousy, expensive version of it and I make a superb, cheap product. In time I get all the money and you go broke. Greed or sensible customer choice? We live in a communistic world with only one consumable. We both make a lousy, expensive version of it because the government mandates it thus and in the absence of competition there's no point in spending money on research. We share the money equally and the customer gets crap. In what way is this preferable, other than to the manufacturers of crap?
if money is the blood flow of society, the rich are like blood clots. fundamentally unused wealth is inefficiency- it means someone kept more money than they needed
someone kept more money than they needed
capitalism can only improve the efficiency of society until communism becomes viable via the technology society
i prefer game theory.
If money is the blood flow of society, are the rich like blood clots?
Brand loyalty is the result of choice, with the implication that you think the consumer has made a bad choice. But why is your opnion (which is not backed by money) more valid than his, which is?
we wouldn't even bother with copyrights/patents anymore because a better product would replace it as soon as technologically viable
after nuclear fusion becomes sustainable ...when fusion powers the grid in 15-30 years
ultimately fiat money wont even have a use anymore
Quote from: the5thforcewe wouldn't even bother with copyrights/patents anymore because a better product would replace it as soon as technologically viableThis assumes that people would bother to develop new technologies if they knew that anyone could copy or reverse-engineer it, and sell it at a cheaper price because they didn't have to recoup the (sometimes massive) development costs. Repeat this a few times, and this would send innovators broke. You are sitting in an economy which offers some limited protection to Intellectual Property in the form of Patents, Copyright and Trademarks, and imagining that the same rate of development would continue unabated if you removed these protections.I agree that there is a balance between the costs of IP protection (temporary monopoly/licencing) vs its benefits (development of new technologies, publication of the best known method and eventual mass manufacture by multiple vendors). But arbitrarily extending the copyright on Mickey Mouse's ears to 90 years after the cartoonist's death is well out of balance.I have no doubt that significant developments have occurred in the "Open Source", "Freeware" and "Crowdfunding" communities, whether that has been Phd theses, LINUX operating system, user groups, 3D printers, posting Youtube videos, etc. But when it comes to massive investments like $10B getting a new pharmaceutical developed, manufactured and approved through the FDA, I think you are kidding yourself. Quoteafter nuclear fusion becomes sustainable ...when fusion powers the grid in 15-30 yearsI think a lot of people are hanging out for that day. But that day has been 30 years away for more than 30 years.Quoteultimately fiat money wont even have a use anymoreIn a utopian world, where everyone has an excess of everything, everyone would produce everything for free (because its fun and fulfilling for them), and everyone would consume it for free.But in the real world:- Virtual goods like photos, movies, software and music could be produced and distributed for the fun of it, for the price of the electricity- People want to experience nature too; that means there will be scarcity if we don't want to denude the entire planet. - Real goods are consumed, wear out, or become obsolete due to technological advance.- Real goods like food and clothes are rarely produced where they are to be consumed, so there are transport costs- Someone producing buttons (for example) cannot eat the buttons; nor are they likely to find a lettuce-grower who wants lots of buttons (even with the help of the internet!)- Some some form of virtual currency will still be required in the future to allow people to gain access to the individual variety of goods that they prefer and desire- This provides a signal of what (real or virtual) goods people value, as a hint to (real or potential) producers- And also to be an incentive for skilled people to produce more than just what they want for themselves - to produce for others too.