Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis (VCIH)

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Offline Procryon

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Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis (VCIH)
« on: 17/02/2016 21:43:22 »
Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis (VCIH)

Written By Procryon on 2/15/16

NOTE: This is just a theory with no mathematical support. This is more a philosophical statement than a legitimate scientific hypothesis, but it has scientific ground and concepts. I believe it is a good concept however and that it holds some logical ground. I would love to hear your thoughts.

My Credibility: I have read 4 Michio Kaku books (Physics of the Impossible, Future of the Mind, Parallel Worlds, and Physics of the Future), a scientific analysis written by Kip Thorne of the movie Interstellar, I have watched around 30 TED Talks ranging from inventions to cosmos to debates. I have watched the television series Cosmos and all the episodes of The Universe. Other than that, I am an extremely philosophical, science-loving, and open-minded person.

I have bolded some important words that will help you understand the concept better.

What is Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis?

This is my hypothesis concerning the creation of the first form of existence. By this I mean whatever was the first thing to exist, which we could say is the universe or the multiverse before that (assuming it exists).
   My hypothesis states that before the first form of existence, there was nothing, absolutely nothing. There was no space-time foam, no form of matter, no light, and most importantly, no logic or laws. Why is logic important to this hypothesis? Because imagine something coming from nothing and continuously existing, meaning it stays there. Aside from virtual particles that exist for brief moments of time, this is not possible. You cannot get something from nothing. So how, before everything existed, could you get something (in our case, the universe). Here’s how according to my hypothesis:

Before any form of existence, there was nothing and no logic or laws. So then why would the universe have to obey the law that something cannot come from nothing? If logic is nonexistent in this empty void, then why couldn’t the universe exist? It can! The universe exists because it can. Since there is no logic or any physical law in a place where nothing exists, then technically something could illogically come from nothing.

This might be difficult to understand because of the “something coming from nothing” talk and is very hard to imagine, but it seems to make sense.

This universe that is created from nothing can also have universes inside of it as long as they obey the laws of the first universe (which would by then technically be a multiverse).

So in short this hypothesis says three things:

1)   Before any form of existence, there was a void without any matter, light, space, time, logic, physical law, or anything.
2)   In a void that does not have logic, something illogical occurs, a universe (or multiple universes) come(s) from nothing.
3)   This universe can host other universes within it (like a multiverse) as long as they obey the logic and laws of the “multiverse.”

What Remains Uncertain about this Hypothesis

So if something came from nothing, then does that mean that all versions of that something exist or just one? Like for example, if our universe comes from nothing in this scenario, then are there other parallel versions of our universe existing alongside ours? That cannot be determined as of yet.

Is this hypothesis not provable? Quite possibly because it deals with the concept of nothing before existence which we cannot measure.

Any Loopholes?

I raised the concept of a virtual particle before in my description of my hypothesis and this presents what would logically seem a loophole but could not. The paragraph below is mainly speculation, as I have not seen much material concerning the origin or laws that govern virtual particles.

Here’s the possible loophole:
Virtual particles come from nothing, so something can come from nothing in a universe, right? Not likely. Virtual particles might obey unknown quantum laws that as of yet have not been discovered. These unknown or ill-explained laws would concern as to where they come from or how they are formed. Even if virtual particles can illogically exist in our universe, they could be dismissed as subtle and quick irregularities and could still completely coincide with the VCIH hypothesis.

I would love to hear all your thoughts on this. Thank you.

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Re: Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis (VCIH)
« Reply #1 on: 18/02/2016 00:24:57 »
Welcome to the forum Procryon..........

Just a couple thoughts to begin with. One must scrutinize carefully what they mean when they use the word "nothing". Some will accurately submit that "nothing" is something, if it were not, we would not have even given it a name. Hopefully, you get the essence of what I'm detailing here. It has a name, therefore it is something. Maybe a bit technical but albeit true.

Now as to something coming from nothing. We must also remember that reality is sometimes not consistent with what our logical minds find reasonable. Take Relativity for an example. Remembering this pitfall when reasoning the nature of things, we're forced on occasion to accept evidence when it doesn't sound logical to us but because experiment has revealed to us the evidence contrary to our logic.

My only other contribution to this thread is my own opinion on reality. From where I sit, anything defined as;  No substance, no time, or no space was never a reality. My reason for this personal logic is, because something exists now, something has always existed.

Whether I'm right or wrong is of little consequence because I doubt that we shall ever really know the answer to those questions.

« Last Edit: 18/02/2016 00:28:49 by Ethos_ »
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Re: Void Creation Illogicality Hypothesis (VCIH)
« Reply #2 on: 18/02/2016 00:46:16 »
Thank you! I agree with most of what you said. When I described "nothing" in my hypothesis, I meant to describe a void, a lack of anything. However, looking at your comment made me understand that nothing is something difficult to grasp (that neither I nor anyone understands fully). To me, the term nothing is a concept that no sentient being can understand or visualize completely and relate to because it is something completely impossible to measure and observe, and (as you said) when we give it properties or hence think about it, it automatically becomes a something.

It is safe to say that Human logic is not the ultimate form of logical reasoning. I am quite sure that the human logical "software" in our brains still has many more aspects  to evolve and develop that would help us understand concepts that take us to the very limits of what we Humans can understand.

Reality is full of many things that defy Human logic, especially the quantum world, but these seemingly illogical statements always have an underlying order that makes them possible.

Now I'm not saying that my hypothesis is correct, but I believe it is something interesting to explore further. In the end, we probably will not know answers to questions like these that question the very nature and origin of reality itself.