Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?

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Offline pharmacist2030

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Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« on: 19/04/2016 06:28:01 »
I wonder if Kaaba is really located in the center of the Earth, Muslims claim that Kaaba is located in the center of the Earth. I have been told that Aeroplanes and birds can't fly over the Kaaba because of the the massive gravitational force in this area. They also claim that the first point where the sunrise is Mecca. I hope that someone who has answers to these questions can help me.I need scientific facts based on studies in this area because I feel that it is a hoax and it doesn't make sense to me but I want some clarification and what they mean by the center of the Earth? (Relative to what?!!)
« Last Edit: 19/04/2016 07:53:42 by chris »

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Re: Does Kaaba located in the center of the Earth?
« Reply #1 on: 19/04/2016 07:40:50 »
The center of the earth is about 4000 miles down, not in Arabia.  There are no known gravitational effects of the Kaaba other than those associated with its mass. (For example, pilgrims circumambulating it do not stick to it like iron filings to a magnet. Also, I have never heard of spacecraft having to allow for it in calculating their orbits. )  I don't know anything about the relation of the Kaaba to the sunrise, but a number of ancient structures around the world do in fact have some relation to the movements of the heavenly bodies.
 

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Re: Does Kaaba located in the center of the Earth?
« Reply #2 on: 19/04/2016 07:53:01 »
Muslims claim that Kaaba is located in the center of the Earth.

There are also people who believe that Elvis is still alive and living in Memphis, and others who claim there's an alien spaceship hiding behind the moon.

I think you get the picture.
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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #3 on: 19/04/2016 09:09:56 »
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I wonder if Kaaba is really located in the center of the Earth, Muslims claim that Kaaba is located in the center of the Earth.
No. That's impossible.  The gravitational forces at the center of the earth are so strong that there cannot be any buildings down there. They'd be destroyed since the mass density there basically has a spherical symmetry and decreases with the distance from the center to the surface being solid at the center and extremely hot, e.g. 9,800 F. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #4 on: 19/04/2016 10:32:28 »
I wonder if Kaaba is really located in the center of the Earth, Muslims claim that Kaaba is located in the center of the Earth.
None of the Muslims I know believe this.
The Kabba is in Mecca which Muslims consider to be the religious centre of the world (not the earth) in the same way the Romans considered Rome to be the centre of the world.
As to the other stuff, I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Remember there are Cristians who believe Jesus walked in England!
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #5 on: 19/04/2016 10:44:08 »
Remember there are Cristians who believe Jesus walked in England!
Obviously true. Look at any map. Where is the centre of the universe? Longitude 0, of course, which is by consensus halfway between London and Cambridge.
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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #6 on: 19/04/2016 11:53:17 »
Where is the centre of the universe? Longitude 0
And latitude 0??

I have however, heard folks from Oxford make a similar claim.
For me it's wherever I am.

"There are real things and unreal things, and I have tablets to help me remember which is which" (slight misquote)
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #7 on: 19/04/2016 12:04:51 »
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I wonder if Kaaba is really located in the center of the Earth
I have seen maps of the Earth where the Kaaba in Mecca is at the center of a circular projection of the Earth.

It was touted as an aid to help Muslims face the Kaaba for their daily prayers.

See: http://geographer-at-large.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/map-of-week-9-19-2011-mecca-at-center.html

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #8 on: 20/04/2016 06:57:54 »
It is possible to ask where the geographic center of the earth is, that is, the "center of all land as seen on a map".  The problem that immediately rises is that the result depends on what map projection you are using, and exactly what you mean by "center".  Therefore, the answer will always be rather ambiguous. However, a reasonable definition could be that the geographic center of the earth is that point on its surface that corresponds to the bottommost point of a terrestrial globe in the following experiment:
  Consider a terrestrial globe, hollow, unmounted from a spindle, uniform in surface density (mass per square inch), and, of course, printed with maps of the land and water surfaces of the Earth.  If you set it in a pan of water, it will float in any position.  Now consider overlaying, upon this same globe, an additional thin layer of some material, over all the land portions but none of the water portions.  Now refloat the globe, and the unbalanced weight will cause it to assume a specific position.  When it assumes this position, the point that is lowest corresponds to the geographic center of the earth.  This definition is meritorious in that it corresponds to the epicenter of the "center of mass" of all the Earth's land surface, and also is on the exact opposite side of the globe of a similarly definable hydrographic center of the Earth.   Now , as to how close this geographic center of the Earth is to the Kaaba:  I don't know, but it seems that this geographic center must lie somewhere in the general vicinity of the Middle East, even though I do not know its exact latitude and longitude.
 

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #9 on: 20/04/2016 13:12:10 »
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an additional thin layer of some material
An important clarification: Is this material meant to be more or less dense than water? ie cork or steel? (I assume steel?)

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #10 on: 23/04/2016 14:47:50 »
Thanks a lot for your replies. I knew that it doesn't make sense because as I stated in my question what centre exactly means, it should be relative to something. Regarding my other question if it is the first point where the sun rises, this is unmeasurable, you can't exactly know where is the point where the sun rises, the earth just spins, there is no point where the sun first rises.

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #11 on: 27/04/2016 06:39:36 »
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An important clarification: Is this material meant to be more or less dense than water? ie cork or steel? (I assume steel?)
More dense.
 

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #12 on: 27/04/2016 06:43:57 »
You  are quite correct in observing that strictly speaking, we need to take into account the additional displacement of water due to the overlay material. The problem can be minimized by using a very dense material. However, it could also be eliminated entirely by placing the overlay on the inside surface of the globe (here assumed thin), so that its effect on the displacement of water would be independent of its angular position, because it would never touch the water. If it is done that way, then materials less dense than water are also allowable.
 

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #13 on: 22/12/2016 10:13:50 »
Hello all ladies and gentlemen

thank you for discussing this information

A lot of people just transfer what they heard from east and west without any evidences so everyone has some information in his religion and it may be correct and may be wrong as mentioned above about Jesus (PBUH) walked in London

I'll talk about Kaaba as I'm a Muslim

there is no word in the Quran or Sunnah (these are the source books of Islam religion) mentioned that Kaaba is the center of earth
there is no word in the Quran or Sunnah mentioned that there is unusual gravitation phenomena around Kaaba

you can live and walk and sleep and eat and breath normally beside Kaaba
we can use mobile phones and all electronic devices there without any unusual things

the following information is what I'm sure about about Kaaba

there is a stone on one corner of Kaaba it is called the black stone

this stone is unusual as all stones sink in water but this stone float on water

the black stone never get hot even if we put in the fire

the black stone structure is not found in all of our galaxy so it came from out of our Galaxy

near to Kaaba there is an other solid stone but it has a two feet print cavity we believe that these feet are of the prophet Ibraheem or Ibraham or Abraham as you say in your languages

the last information I have here about Kaaba are three information

1- The location of Kaaba is the first land area raised from water as a land as all of the earth was immersed in water at the beginning of world's life so it is the first land on earth(this is mentioned in Quran)

the scientific information about Kaaba are

2- the golden ratio is used in the building's dimensions

3- you can't see any of the polar stars in all the sky from this location


that was the truth and the correct information I have and if you have any questions you have the search for answers yourself as I'm not a scientist I'm Just a normal person fond of science and technoloies

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #14 on: 22/12/2016 10:21:03 »
Is not the gravity zero at the centre of the Earth? as all the gravity generating matter is an equal distance away in every direction
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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #15 on: 24/12/2016 08:56:31 »
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all stones sink in water
Pumice stone floats on water, and often washes up on beaches after storms.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FOhfQBYMs
Or if that doesn't work, try www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FOhfQBYMs

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the black stone never get hot even if we put in the fire
I wonder if this experiment has been tried in the past century, with thermocouples and infra-red thermometers?

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the black stone structure is not found in all of our galaxy so it came from out of our Galaxy
Since we have not even taken a reasonable sample of rocks in our solar system, let alone our arm of the galaxy, this would seem to be a wild extrapolation.

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you can't see any of the polar stars in all the sky from this location
That makes sense.
The Kaaba is located at 22 degrees North. It would be very difficult to see the Pole star from this location, as it would be close to the horizon. Any surrounding buildings or lights would make it harder.
There is no star visible to the naked eye at the south pole. It would be hard to see the southern cross as it is also close to the horizon.

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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #16 on: 05/01/2017 07:51:38 »
I add to kabba and the black stone  Zamzam well,  located close to kaaba .Muslims claims that Zamzam well water is holy and  heals diseases , according to Sunnah scriptures , the second Muslims' holy source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_Well
« Last Edit: 05/01/2017 07:54:25 by Yahya A. Sharif »
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Re: Is Kaaba located in the centre of the Earth?
« Reply #17 on: 08/01/2017 01:58:34 »
I add to kabba and the black stone  Zamzam well,  located close to kaaba .Muslims claims that Zamzam well water is holy and  heals diseases , according to Sunnah scriptures , the second Muslims' holy source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_Well

If the Zamzam well-water is holy and cures diseases,  when will the benefits of this water be made available to everyone?