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OK - to put it a different way:We have a mass. Around this mass is a gravity field that decreases in energy via the inverse square law with distance.

Therefore I reckon that a pancaked heavy ion at light speed is either a case of pilots face, or a case of a time frame dependant observation that is proportional to the difference in rate of time between the observed and the observation reference frames.

Ethos - the Lorentz transformations calculate length contraction, and as I understand it, in their inverse form they calculate SR time dilation. Current physics currently holds that both length contraction and SR time dilation are occurring.Current physics states that there are 2 forms of time dilation occurring in the universe. SR motion related time dilation and GR gravitational time dilation... and these changes in how the rate of time progresses are already measured, defined by mathematics, and experimentally confirmed.So its not a case of either length contraction, OR time dilation as you suggest. Current physics states both as occurring.

The Michael Morley experiment: This can almost be considered as the reverse scenario of the...blah, blah, etc. I said all this on the gravity wave thread... If anyone actually understands me so far, I'll continue.

And just when you thought it was safe to go back to relativity... There is actually a possibility that timey is right. I don"t have time to explain at the moment.

My model then adds a 3rd dimension of time dilation. Vikki Ramsay gravitational time dilation that is not gravity potential related, but gravity field related.

Timey, if you are going to follow what I am going to say you need to read up on the imaginary unit, the complex plane and the unit circle. Let me know when you have done that.

Good grief my man, you are completely missing the point.ONLY THAT WHICH HAS ****NO MASS*** WILL BE SUBJECT TO VIKKI RAMSAY GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION!!!IE: THE SPACE BETWEEN MASSES...Come on Alan, its not a difficult concept... Normally you're so bright! Why the mental block?