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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #60 on: 31/10/2016 15:10:43 »
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About time dilation:

It is true that Einstein proved in his General relativity that time is not a universal law of physics and it dilates from
place to place, it may be due to gravity or velocity.  He has taken two places, one point A on the top of a hill station and the other, point B low lying area.  He compared ticking of clocks at the both places and found variations.
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Here, time dilation is due to gravity.  On the high hill area where gravity is weak, ticking of clock is faster. Where as on the low lying area, where gravity force is high ticking is slow.  This is due to gravity effect on the clock.
 
This is false. g=a in equivalence between SR and GR. Gravity is stronger on the hill not weaker. You are confusing increased dilation with gravity and that is just wrong. Many scientists view this the same as you do. In GR dilation is the greatest in the center of mass and reduces to the surface of mass. You would be weightless in the center of the earth no acceleration at all. More dilation of space energy the slower the tick rate. Clocks would tick the slowest in the center of the earth.

Here is the SR equivalence to show gravity is not due to acceleration. Acceleration of a space ship causes gravity and the increase in speed slows your clock. The clock remains slow with vector velocity. Now you decelerate and produce gravity. Your clock speeds up in gravity until you are at relative rest from the starting point.

So increased position in more dilation in GR reduces potential energy by reducing attraction. Dilation causes gravity. That is Einstein's curved space.

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But, here we have to remember one important point that high hill area is not  free from gravity.  It is also reeling under gravity pressure only.  But when we move to low lying area, gravity pressure/force increases.  Due to this pressure/force, ticking of clock is slowed down. 

Once again backwards gravity attraction is lower in the valley and greater dilation of potential energy of space.

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Let us presume that we are in a zero state of gravity.  Here, how clock works is an important point.  In zero gravity, everything is in free state.  Suppose if we are using atomic clock.  Here, basic function of atomic explosion is controlled by the gravity.   Electrons released due to atomic explosion, have no control over atomic clock. Here we have to remember one important point that without gravity force/pressure electrons never splits automatically


Fission creates its own temporary dilation of space.

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In fact very functioning of the atomic clock depends on the gravity.  It is in the grip of gravity.  Existing energy rays in the open area, have already deeply penetrated into the clock.  When the electrons are freed, they joins the existing rays and pushes them in upward direction.  It is due to this force/pressure that clock is working.

Gravity starts with the very first atom and electron. The electron flows out into space and dilation decreases causing more resistance to the electron in the form of friction. This causes the electron to curve when the velocity reaches the resistance point where it returns to more dilated space. The electron returns to the proton. This pushes out another electron for the cycle to start again. More atoms increase the total dilation of space and cause an increase in the electron travel distance. The creation of light with the longer travel distance is the red shift.

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In low lying area, where there is high gravitational field, pressure/force on the clock is increased.  Energy rays in the open area are more potential when compared to the inside the clock.  So, naturally pressure/force towards clock is more when compared to pressure/force of electrons.  Here electrons have to gain more strength, when compared to outside pressure to come out and to move the clock. 

This is the reason why at the centre of earth, gravity is less when compared to poles.

Gravity attraction is non existent in the center of the earth.


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Einstein used this function simply to compare how time dilates from place to place.  If we understood, "what exactly gravity is", so many things will come out.

On this we agree
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #61 on: 31/10/2016 15:40:41 »
Gravitational lensing:

"Well, gravitational lens bends to the maximum light that passes closest to its center, and to a minimum light that travels furthest from its center. Gravitational lens has no single focal point, but a focal line. The term "lens" in the context of gravitational light deflection was first used by O.J. Lodge, who remarked that it is "not permissible to say that the solar gravitational field acts like a lens, for it has no focal length". If the (light) source, the massive lensing object, and the observer lie in a straight line, the original light source will appear as a ring around the massive lensing object.

Even before his breakthrough in the formulation of general relativity, Einstein realized that due to light deflection it was also possible that a mass could deflect light along two different paths causing the observer to see multiple images of a single source; this effect would make the mass act as a kind of gravitational lens.

Gravitational lenses act equally on all kinds of electromagnetic radiation, not just visible light. Weak lensing effects are being studied for the cosmic microwave background as well as galaxy surveys. Strong lenses have been observed in radio and x-ray regimes as well. If a strong lens produces multiple images, there will be a relative time delay between two paths: that is, in one image the lensed object will be observed before the other image".
 
If light is distorted near the gravitational field means, it may be due to attraction or force acting against it.  When a strong light ray passes earth, it will bend near earth and an arc in the shape of earth is formed.  When the light ray reaches near earth, it gets touch with the gravitational field and gets merged in it along the line and an arc is developed.  Since the light ray, near the earth is merged in gravitational field, light is boosted temporarily and arc is developed.

When the gravitational field affects strong light passing outside the earth, what about inside earth.  Earth is not free from gravity.  Why do not this gravity influences light.  If it is so means in what way and how it influences. 

It is true that gravity is influencing each and everything on this earth.  At present we are of the opinion that natural magnets emits light.  Actually natural magnets have got no capacity to emmit light and it is due to with the support of gravity only. 

In the case of electro magnetic circles also, we are of the opinion that they are self generated.  When electricity is supplied through copper or aluminum cable, a magnetic circle is formed around it.  How these circles are formed.  At present we are of the opinion that, due to obstruction in the passage electrons are moving out into the open area and it is forming as a circle. 

When strong gravity waves is influencing each and everything, why do not they influence these cables carrying electricity.  Strong electro magnetic circles around the cable is due to gravity only.  For the gravity waves, cables are also its objects only.  Electrons passing on the surface of the cable are influenced, looses control, joins the gravity waves and a circles is developed.

At present we are of the opinion, if we switch on a light it gives light.  But it is not at all correct.  We are sending small amount of electrons, but we are getting lot of light, and  it due to the support of gravity only.  This is the reason, why light varies from place to place. 

If strong energy beam is send into open area, a spectrum is developed.  This is also with the help of gravity only.

Light rays coming from sun and moon are not free from the influence of gravity.  After facing hydrosphere, strong light rays coming from sun are weakened.  When they enters earth gravity, gravity waves joins these weak rays and they are boosted.  This is the reason, at the centre of the earth where strong gravity waves are present, light is also more.  Where as at the poles, sun rays fails to get support from gravity waves, and light formation is weak.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #62 on: 31/10/2016 16:36:24 »
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"Well, gravitational lens bends to the maximum light that passes closest to its center, and to a minimum light that travels furthest from its center. Gravitational lens has no single focal point, but a focal line. The term "lens" in the context of gravitational light deflection was first used by O.J. Lodge, who remarked that it is "not permissible to say that the solar gravitational field acts like a lens, for it has no focal length". If the (light) source, the massive lensing object, and the observer lie in a straight line, the original light source will appear as a ring around the massive lensing object.

The reason for light bending around a massive body is dilation of energy like a onion ring. Light wants to follow the path of dilation it was on and that path curves around the body of mass. The focal point is in the center of mass where dilation is the greatest.

On to the real focal point in astronomy using galaxy lensing were the focal point is viewable with light, astronomers use one galaxy to magnify a galaxy behind. So the focal point of dilation is available under the correct circumstances.

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Even before his breakthrough in the formulation of general relativity, Einstein realized that due to light deflection it was also possible that a mass could deflect light along two different paths causing the observer to see multiple images of a single source; this effect would make the mass act as a kind of gravitational lens

Yes but you need to understand the focal point is not visible so the image rotates around both sides due to the extreme bending of a body of mass.

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When the gravitational field affects strong light passing outside the earth, what about inside earth.  Earth is not free from gravity.  Why do not this gravity influences light.  If it is so means in what way and how it influences.

Light created in dilation is red shifted and follows the curve of dilation which is indistinguishable from straight for us.

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Gravitational lenses act equally on all kinds of electromagnetic radiation, not just visible light. Weak lensing effects are being studied for the cosmic microwave background as well as galaxy surveys. Strong lenses have been observed in radio and x-ray regimes as well. If a strong lens produces multiple images, there will be a relative time delay between two paths: that is, in one image the lensed object will be observed before the other image".

Yes energy of space carries all spectrum signals at c. Mass causes a resistance to c and c carries the propagation wave of that resistance at c.

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When strong gravity waves is influencing each and everything, why do not they influence these cables carrying electricity.  Strong electro magnetic circles around the cable is due to gravity only.  For the gravity waves, cables are also its objects only.  Electrons passing on the surface of the cable are influenced, looses control, joins the gravity waves and a circles is developed.
There are Doppler waves in SR but gravity is dilation of space. While gravity is a gradient, it is not a wave. Doppler is just a propagation wave through space same as light.

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At present we are of the opinion, if we switch on a light it gives light.  But it is not at all correct.  We are sending small amount of electrons, but we are getting lot of light, and  it due to the support of gravity only.  This is the reason, why light varies from place to place. 

Light as electron propagation violates Relativity.

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If strong energy beam is send into open area, a spectrum is developed.  This is also with the help of gravity only.

While you cannot have mass without gravity that is not the cause of light.

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Light rays coming from sun and moon are not free from the influence of gravity.  After facing hydrosphere, strong light rays coming from sun are weakened.  When they enters earth gravity, gravity waves joins these weak rays and they are boosted.  This is the reason, at the centre of the earth where strong gravity waves are present, light is also more.  Where as at the poles, sun rays fails to get support from gravity waves, and light formation is weak.

It appears you have trouble distinguishing reflection of light from creation of light. The center of the Earth has no gravity since g=a there is no attraction. Basically weightlessness due to maximum dilation of space energy. There is no potential attraction energy at that point.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #63 on: 31/10/2016 16:55:42 »
Mr GOC,
Thank you,
"Gravity attraction is non existent in the center of the earth".

Simple correction to your statement, if there is no gravity then the things will float.  At the centre of the earth, where dilation of energy is more, it pushes existing gravitational waves, resulting in weak gravity.  It is not due to centrifugal force but due to dilation of energy only.

For others also:
These are new ideas proposed me within the frame work of new gravity theory proposed by me.  Most of them completely deviates from GR and SR and they have no relevance at all.  If further research is taken up in this angle, most of them will be proved.

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« Reply #64 on: 31/10/2016 17:23:33 »
I am a firm believer in Relativity.

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Simple correction to your statement, if there is no gravity then the things will float.

That is the consequence of no attraction to a lower energy state if you follow Relativity.

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At the centre of the earth, where dilation of energy is more, it pushes existing gravitational waves, resulting in weak gravity.

Differences in dilation is gravity. In the center of dilation there is no gravity. There are no gravity waves in GR. There are Doppler waves in SR that would appear as gravity waves. GR is just a gradient attraction to the center of gravitational masses lowest energy potential. No attraction in the center. Your mass becomes the center of gravity afloat in space same as outer space but less energy more dilated than outer space.

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It is not due to centrifugal force but due to dilation of energy only

Mass gravity creates a dilation curve like an onion of gradient dilation to the center of mass. Centrifugal force is the creation of mass curving through the straight lines of space energy. The space energy resistance to the curve of mass creates attraction of mass from the front to the back of the curved position wanting to go in a straight line of space. A curve is a resistance to space energy. There is no such thing as a circle in 3d space.

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These are new ideas proposed me within the frame work of new gravity theory proposed by me.  Most of them completely deviates from GR and SR and they have no relevance at all.  If further research is taken up in this angle, most of them will be proved.

Since relativity has never failed to explain an observation it is the mechanics of Relativity that need an explanation not yet another relativity denier without a understanding of relativity.
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #65 on: 31/10/2016 21:41:12 »
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Mr GOC,
Thank you,
"Gravity attraction is non existent in the center of the earth".

Simple correction to your statement, if there is no gravity then the things will float.  At the centre of the earth, where dilation of energy is more, it pushes existing gravitational waves, resulting in weak gravity.  It is not due to centrifugal force but due to dilation of energy only.

For others also:
These are new ideas proposed me within the frame work of new gravity theory proposed by me.  Most of them completely deviates from GR and SR and they have no relevance at all.  If further research is taken up in this angle, most of them will be proved.

Yours
Psreddy

I'm not deep in relativity as GOC. But even so, my first insight was almost everything he described, I did not follow equations or math, its just logic, and by erroneous conclusions, I started by reaching the same weightless concept... I just not sure how the sun perform his influence over this weightless inner core...

 GOC is there any chance that the sun "somehow" due its dilatation and our existence within its horizontal plate, be converting this weightless state of almost zero gravity into acceleration?
 I also visualize a inner core that should be floating, and the rest of the planet along with it.
 My doubt is what's the role of the sun on all this system patterns we do observe? I mean, why?
 Ignoring life, why do we need suns, or are suns the only meaning of the universe and planets causality?
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #66 on: 01/11/2016 02:40:11 »
   
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GOC is there any chance that the sun "somehow" due its dilatation and our existence within its horizontal plate, be converting this weightless state of almost zero gravity into acceleration?

The only issue with dilation is the ratio where the dilation between the earth and the sun is the least. Of course the dilation of the sun extends to the end of the solar system And contributes to the total galaxy dilation lens. On the Earth scale within the Earth the dilation only affects mass on the earth for gravity. The dilation of the sun affects the earth scale body. Out in space away from a planet the suns dilation gradient is very slight for the size of a human so the attraction would be insignificant to that difference in scale. Earth's dilation while slightly affected by the gradient of the sun is similar to the moons affect on the ocean lifting the ocean six inches to produce the tides. The sun only moves the apparent center of gravity slightly towards the sun. The sun does not cause gravity on the Earth.

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Ignoring life, why do we need suns, or are suns the only meaning of the universe and planets causality?

Hydrogen gas expelled from super nova's could be the seeds for new star formation. A star has a life cycle. It starts with hydrogen. Then fusion produces hydrogen from space energy. The fusion produces higher elements until either a red giant or super nova is produced and the life cycle ends. It depends on the mass of the sun when first produced. That determines its end.

Half of the stars in the galaxy are binary. I suspect a difference in star pair masses cause one to blow creating planets from the blown star. I find it difficult to attribute higher elements in planets during hydrogen star formation. Our sun wobbles through space like it used to have a companion. he Earth might be part of that companion. Pure speculation.
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #67 on: 13/11/2016 17:42:33 »
Well, thank you mr.GOC

You are having excellent knowledge in GR and SR.  But i do not know why it is, my mind never accepted them and has taken a 'U' turn and a bad notion developed in my mind that if you steps into the shoes of GR and SR, then you will become a piece of a big cloth.  Actually i had not studied them perfectly.  But it is true, to wage a war you cannot do it with empty hands. 

Ok, let us discuss one simple and known incident.  Suppose if we threw an electric bulb, which contains vacuum, it break with big noise.  It is known reason that it is due to atmosphere pressure.  There is heavy pressure in the open area and it tries to occupy empty space of the electric bulb, where pressure is low. 

In another example to test the power of dark energy or vacuum, things are taken differently.  Let us take water in a bucket, close the bucket by another empty bucket.  Now remove air, in between 1st one and 2nd one.  Water in the bucket escalates.  Here we are taking the power of vacuum as reason for escalation of water. 

In the 1st instance, outside atmosphere pressure is taken as reason.  Where as in the 2nd instance it is the vacuum power  counted. In the second example atmosphere pressure is ignored completely. When air is removed, atmosphere pressure on the water is lost and it escalates.

Suppose if we take the electric bulb into space and break it, it makes no noise at all.  In the case of water also, if the same test is done in space, where outside pressure is low, there is no scope for any escalation of water.

Here we have to remember on important point that vacuum or dark energy has got no power/strength at all.  It gains strength due to the outside pressure only.
 
ABOUT BLACK HOLES:
According to General Relativity, heavier and denser objects like planets, stars, and galaxies produce a greater warp in space, in essence giving them a stronger gravitational pull. A black hole is a hole in the fabric of space-time, like a deep well into which matter and energy may fall but may never exit.

But, actually not much is known about Black holes, how they are formed, but existence is confirmed. 

In my view Black holes are also due to the reason of high and low pressure effects only.  When two neutron stars, existing nearby dilates huge amount of fundamental energy into the space, it start spreading to wide area.  These two forces, coming from different directions, tries to meet at any one place.  Here, dark energy and dark matter raises and it takes a well shape. This is the reason, how and why black holes are formed on Sun.

Ok, let us study some of the things happening on earth only.  During summer season, low pressure develops and start drawing matter and energy.  Slowly, after some time it neutralizes.  For that, cyclones are also due to this reason only. 

Actually we have to remember one important point that these low pressures are developing due to atmosphere pressure only. In fact atmosphere is not created by these low pressures, but they are created by the atmosphere.

Schwarzschild found that if you squeezed enough mass into a small enough volume, its gravity would become almost infinitely strong. It would warp the space around it so strongly that nothing could escape from it.  Here, we have to keep in mind that this is done on earth, where there is strong gravity.  When the mass is squeezed in a small volume, it start emitting fundamental energy into open area, due to gravity, a strong gravity field is developed.

So, we have to keep in mind that Black holes are not creators of this universe, but created due to the forces in the universe.  Due to the presence of strong fundamental energy, it exerts strong gravitational pull.  But its effect is limited up to certain specific area only.  Suppose if a cyclone is developed nearby England, its effect is up to England and another country adjacent to UK only.  For that, most of its effect is up to certain area only. 

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #68 on: 14/11/2016 14:36:15 »
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You are having excellent knowledge in GR and SR.  But i do not know why it is, my mind never accepted them and has taken a 'U' turn and a bad notion developed in my mind that if you steps into the shoes of GR and SR, then you will become a piece of a big cloth.  Actually i had not studied them perfectly.  But it is true, to wage a war you cannot do it with empty hands. 

Ok, let us discuss one simple and known incident.  Suppose if we threw an electric bulb, which contains vacuum, it break with big noise.  It is known reason that it is due to atmosphere pressure.  There is heavy pressure in the open area and it tries to occupy empty space of the electric bulb, where pressure is low. 

In another example to test the power of dark energy or vacuum, things are taken differently.  Let us take water in a bucket, close the bucket by another empty bucket.  Now remove air, in between 1st one and 2nd one.  Water in the bucket escalates.  Here we are taking the power of vacuum as reason for escalation of water. 

In the 1st instance, outside atmosphere pressure is taken as reason.  Where as in the 2nd instance it is the vacuum power  counted. In the second example atmosphere pressure is ignored completely. When air is removed, atmosphere pressure on the water is lost and it escalates.

Suppose if we take the electric bulb into space and break it, it makes no noise at all.  In the case of water also, if the same test is done in space, where outside pressure is low, there is no scope for any escalation of water.

Here we have to remember on important point that vacuum or dark energy has got no power/strength at all.  It gains strength due to the outside pressure only.

I have an advantage to my way of thinking. To me Electrons do not move by themselves. That would be magic. So if they do not move by them selves than quantum mechanics moves them. The dimension of quantum mechanics is below the electron. It has to be a quantum spin state because vector motion would violate relativity as Einstein pointed out. I look at the universe as motion of time is from space and not mass because energy to move electrons have to come from space. The electron and photon are confounded in every frame to produce the same measurement of light in a vacuum. This can be shown using plane geometry of vector velocity. So what ever you want to call it time, dark energy or Spacetime all energy comes from space. Unless you believe in magic of course. Time measurement begins at planks distance of motion. Motion = time = energy. Macro mass energy is a conduit from space spin energy. The space spin pattern rotates electrons in vector motion. While this is my opinion it follows relativity and combines quantum mechanics with Relativity as mechanics and not just postulates.

The pressure of atmosphere and the attraction of gravity combine to create a sphere in liquids. Gravity being a dilation of space energy to the center of mass and mass attracted to the lower energy density of space.

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According to General Relativity, heavier and denser objects like planets, stars, and galaxies produce a greater warp in space, in essence giving them a stronger gravitational pull. A black hole is a hole in the fabric of space-time, like a deep well into which matter and energy may fall but may never exit.

I view this slightly different. Photons bend around black holes never falling into black holes. Photons follow the curvature of space energy. There is no energy in black holes. Time = energy so there is no time in black holes. Density of a proton to electron is a marble to a football field. A black hole is a football field full of marbles for density. Curves space to the max. But it is still the inverse square of the distance.

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But, actually not much is known about Black holes, how they are formed, but existence is confirmed. 

If you look at the universe through a hammer everything looks like a nail. If you look at the universe as atoms what would you expect?

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In my view Black holes are also due to the reason of high and low pressure effects only.  When two neutron stars, existing nearby dilates huge amount of fundamental energy into the space, it start spreading to wide area.  These two forces, coming from different directions, tries to meet at any one place.  Here, dark energy and dark matter raises and it takes a well shape. This is the reason, how and why black holes are formed on Sun.

My view of course is changing energy density of space. Fusion is absorbing energy of space to create electrons, protons and neutrons. Mass comes from space but not as a BB. Suns fuel themselves while creating a life cycle of heaver elements from dark mass energy by compression.

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Ok, let us study some of the things happening on earth only.  During summer season, low pressure develops and start drawing matter and energy.  Slowly, after some time it neutralizes.  For that, cyclones are also due to this reason only.

 There are two sides to energy. All energy comes from space would suggest macro energy comes from friction with micro quantum energy.

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Schwarzschild found that if you squeezed enough mass into a small enough volume, its gravity would become almost infinitely strong. It would warp the space around it so strongly that nothing could escape from it.  Here, we have to keep in mind that this is done on earth, where there is strong gravity.  When the mass is squeezed in a small volume, it start emitting fundamental energy into open area, due to gravity, a strong gravity field is developed.

While I agree with the affects I do not agree mass emits fundamental energy and only changes energy density of space energy.

 
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So, we have to keep in mind that Black holes are not creators of this universe, but created due to the forces in the universe.  Due to the presence of strong fundamental energy, it exerts strong gravitational pull.

To me of course it is the loss of fundamental density of energy causing gravity. Fundamental energy being c.





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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #69 on: 15/11/2016 17:01:59 »
Mr GOC
As said by you: 
"Mass gravity creates a dilation curve like an onion of gradient dilation to the center of mass. Centrifugal force is the creation of mass curving through the straight lines of space energy. The space energy resistance to the curve of mass creates attraction of mass from the front to the back of the curved position wanting to go in a straight line of space. A curve is a resistance to space energy".

It is wonder to see, when mass creates/develops gravity curve, what the space energy is doing.  Actually space energy is the least one. 

There is every need for us to discuss, how mass creates gravity curve.  Basically earth is not free from gravity. Total mass Micro to macro is being influenced by this gravity.  Our research/focus must start from zero gravity.  But Einstein started his research basing on the existing conditions.  Apple is already pushed and is not going to be pushed or may be pushed by the space energy.

Initially, Einstein ruled out attraction of mass as gravity.  He carried out number of researches and came to a conclusion that fundamental energy as the root cause of gravity.  But where is the source. Naturally he looked at space and linked it to space energy.  In fact, some of the important theories such as E=MC2 mislead him.   Actually he forgeted that this is being done in gravity field.   

It is true that:
"Physicists understand gravity in great detail and with great accuracy, but they suspect they’re missing something—something big enough to change or even unify our most comprehensive theories of the universe".

The above statement is 100% correct.  If the gravity problem is solved than it will answer so many unanswered questions.  If an atom bomb, 1 tonne is detonated so much energy is coming out, basing on this Einstein developed E=MC2.  This is possible due to gravity only.
 
Actually physicists tried to draw a straight line of research, but they have drawn a circle and where we are means, we are there only.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #70 on: 16/11/2016 00:23:59 »
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It is wonder to see, when mass creates/develops gravity curve, what the space energy is doing.

Gravity starts with the first atom. The electron moves away from the proton into less dilated space. The proton causes dilation of space. The distance is relative. A proton being a marble compared to a football field distance the electron travels. The energy density increase beyond the football field curves the electron back to the proton.

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There is every need for us to discuss, how mass creates gravity curve.

Space energy c moves the electrons of mass. In moving electrons energy is conserved by dilation of the space energy. The energy per volume of space becomes less. Less dense fundamental energy. Expanding the mass relative to the increased electron distance traveled. This allows a different tick rate of your clock but remains relative to the distance the photon travels.

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Basically earth is not free from gravity. Total mass Micro to macro is being influenced by this gravity.
Micro mass is that which becomes dilated. The dilation of space (curve) tells macro mass how to move.

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Total mass Micro to macro is being influenced by this gravity.  Our research/focus must start from zero gravity.  But Einstein started his research basing on the existing conditions.  Apple is already pushed and is not going to be pushed or may be pushed by the space energy.

There is a gradient pull to the center of mass. The center of mass has the highest dilation. Mass is attracted to the more dilated space. Very simple.

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Initially, Einstein ruled out attraction of mass as gravity.  He carried out number of researches and came to a conclusion that fundamental energy as the root cause of gravity.  But where is the source. Naturally he looked at space and linked it to space energy.  In fact, some of the important theories such as E=MC2 mislead him.

E=c of space. C x electron movement =CM. So c x CM=    E=MC^2

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It is true that:
"Physicists understand gravity in great detail and with great accuracy, but they suspect they’re missing something—something big enough to change or even unify our most comprehensive theories of the universe".

Quantum mechanics move electrons and spin at c. Quantum mechanics is the cause of Relativity. Quantum mechanics is uniform through out the universe.

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If an atom bomb, 1 tonne is detonated so much energy is coming out, basing on this Einstein developed E=MC2.  This is possible due to gravity only.

 I suspect this is incorrect because in space E=c.

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Actually physicists tried to draw a straight line of research, but they have drawn a circle and where we are means, we are there only.

Yes science today is traveling in circles and will until it is understood that something moves the electrons. They do not move themselves.
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #71 on: 26/11/2016 14:19:44 »
Mr. GOC,
I think we are moving away from the basic idea of "what exactly gravity is". 

Ok, let us first decide, what exactly gravity is, and then move to other things.

Gravitation is the attraction of two objects with mass.  Newton's inverse square law states:
"The gravitational attraction force between two point masses is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of their  distance. The force is always attractive and acts along the line joining them".

Newton extended this principle as Universal law of gravitation, saying:
 "I deduced that the forces which keep the planets in their orbs must [be] reciprocally as the squares of their distances from the centers about which they revolve: and thereby compared the force requisite to keep the Moon in her Orb with the force of gravity at the surface of the Earth"

It is true that any two similar masses attracts each other.  Inverse square law mainly describes the process by which it is happening.  Actually Newton generalised it and he did not specify the distance upto which this attraction works. Ok, let us assume that there are two masses, m1 and m2.  It is true that these two masses attracts each other.  But,  gravity start working only when two masses comes near to each other.   

They have named this attraction of masses as gravity.  But this attraction is least one. However it is playing key role in the existence and functioning of various things in the universe.  It is due to this force  that water molecules are keeping together,  we are able to get minerals at one place.  In fact this force is keeping the planet together. 

But its attraction is far limited.  As long as the apple is in the tree, this attractive force has no role to play.  When the apple touches earth than gravity start working. 

Newton's theory up to inverse square law  is 100%  correct.  But, universal law of gravitation  is not incorrect.  Actually Newton extended his inverse square law, as universal law of gravitation without any base.  If the Newton's universal law of gravitation is laid on a perfect foundation than there is no scope for Einstein's theory or other theories.  Einstein utilised this gap perfectly and carried out number of experiments, but he could not locate "Original source" and taken us to a different world and mesmarised scientific world with his writings.   

Einstein has taken a different approach:
As per GR:
"Gravity is not as a force but as a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy".

Einstein realised that attraction of masses is far limited and he did not accepted Universal law of gravitation.  He carried out number of experiments, gravitational time dilation, gravitational lensing, gravitational red shift of light.  Soon, he realised that it is the energy momentum as the reason for gravity on earth.  But he could not find the source and moved to spacetime.

01  Gravitational time dilation:  Einstien carried out number of experiments on time dilation at different places.   He found, time dilating differently at different places.  While carrying out these experiments, he ignored that he is doing this in a gravity field and he is measuring variations in gravity only.  Well, Newton knew that gravity is already working and it is pulling the apple, but Einstein looked differently and has taken relativity as the cause. 

02  Gravitational lensing:  Through his experiments, Einstien proved that light bent near the gravity field.  But he forget that we are already in the gravity field and it is influencing each and everything including light.  Gravitational lensing is going on the earth continuously.

03  Dark energy:  While carrying out these experiments also they have forget that they are doing these experiments in a gravity field and it is influencing it.  It is true that 75% of the universe is covered by Dark energy, and if it is having that much strength means, it would have been different and the very existence of universe itself will be in question.  Actually water in the bucket is not influenced by the Dark energy, but water is relaxed, in the absence of pressure and raises and pressure inside water tries to occupy the gap.

As per General relativity curvature of the space time is decided by mass. In other words mass tells space time how to curve. Newton's law of gravitation clearly says gravitation is the attraction of two masses, which is known to us, and it is appearing before us.  Where as Einstein's curvature of space time is an imagination and its presence is not known.  For quite long time it is a mystery, whether space time is a curved one or horizontal. 

CURVATURE OF SPACE TIME:
Ok, now let us discuss, on the curvature of space time.

For me, quite long time, it is a basic doubt 'how mass decides curvature of space'.  It is true that Einstein's theories are not baseless, and must have been developed taking into certain practical implications.

Well, recently while giving a reply, Mr.GOC:
"Mass gravity creates a dilation curve like an onion of gradient dilation to the center of mass. Centrifugal force is the creation of mass curving through the straight lines of space energy. The space energy resistance to the curve of mass creates attraction of mass from the front to the back of the curved position wanting to go in a straight line of space. A curve is a resistance to space energy.

How mass dilates energy:
Actually, we know how much energy mass posses.  How this small amount of energy comes out and forms as a curve.  If the energy has to create a curve means, it must be freed from the atoms.  But energy remaining within atom, a curve is formed.

We have to remember one important point that we are already in the gravity field and therefore mass acts differently.  It is fully under the influence of gravity.  It is true that earth is dilating lot of energy into the open area and there is permanent "Energy Base" or potential energy on this earth.  Due to the climate, energy dilated by earth is not moving out.  Hydrosphere present in the space is acting against this "Energy base" and it is undergoing lot of stress.  Each ray of energy is undergoing lot of stress,  and in turn it is accelerating against mass.

In fact, earth is fully in the grip of energy base.  Earth is not rotating, but being made to rotate by the gravity waves. Earth rotation means, it is gravity waves, hydrosphere and everything.  Energy rays in the open area are not present loosely, they are present with lot of stress/force. It is influencing micro to macro mass.  In fact it is penetrating deep into the entropy of the mass.  However this concentration

varies according to mass, depending upon the entropy of the mass and photon structure of the mass.  Fundamental energy in the open area, due to force, penetrates, disturbs the internal energy of the mass, and when it exceeds internal capacity, a part of which comes out, and a curve in the shape of mass is developed.  This is the gravity of the mass.

Well, atoms of the atom bomb are not free from this gravity.  Due to the pressure, gravity waves are already deeply penetrated into the atoms and electromagnetic waves are already present in that area.  When an atom is detonated, energy dilates, pushes existing energy rays and these rays gets charged.  If another atom is split, some more energy rays gets charged  at that particular place.  It results in the boosting of  energy and other atoms start detonating automatically and this is chain reaction.

At the dawn of 20th century, lot of research was going, on the explosion of atom bomb.  Einstein was surprised to see, dilation of so much energy, when an atom is split.  It is true that originally an atom contains very small amount of energy and naturally, when it is detonated,  it has no capacity to make any wonders.  But release of huge energy, surprised scientists.  Actually it is big wonder to all the researchers at that time.  Einstein presumed that there are sub atoms within the atom and they are detonated later.  Basing on this, he proposed E=MC2. 
But this is incorrect.  Actually they have forget that they are doing this research in a gravity field and it is influencing everything. 

The best way to test it, explode a grenade in the open area, check the amount of energy released by it, and explode another grenade in deep caves where gravity is weak, and now check the difference.  Suppose if you explode same grenade on the moon, where climate is weak, you cannot get similar results.  For that if you explode, same grenade in space where energy exists in free state, results are weak and also it is not straight, but spreads to all sides equally. 

This is also the best test for the "What exactly gravity is" proposed by me.

What exactly gravity is:
In my view attraction of two masses may be  termed  as "Gravity".   But the pressure/force, being experienced by us on the earth is different one and this cannot be called as "Gravity".  We have named this pressure as  "Climate force". 

Basically, dilation of energy by the earth plays key role in the formation of climate.  Due to the pressure/force of this energy, water is taking 3 stages.  Hydrosphere, in turn never allows this fundamental energy to escape that much easily.  This resulted in the formation of "Energy Base" or stored energy or potential energy.  This "Energy base" is being strengthened by the energy coming from the Sun. 

Most of the energy dilated by earth is at the centre only.  This energy in turn moves to north and south poles.  There is continuous flow of energy towards north and south poles.

The energy base is in turn creating pressure/force on the things.  At present we are studying this pressure/force also as Gravity.  But this is not correct.   This pressure/force mainly depends on the climate of a planet.  This is the reason if we move in upward region, pressure/force goes on decreasing. 

Functioning of universe:
In my view, each universe is created/started functioning individually.  Local Big bangs are the starting point for the creation of universe. Suppose if the fundamental energy remains within atoms, planets may not be controlled.  Due to Big bang, all the planets started dilating huge energy into open area and it started spreading to wide area.  One of the planets, which is in gaseous form dilated most of the energy and it started spreading wide area, and taking control of other planets.  Here also, fundamental energy dilated by the planets, developed as a "energy base" and it remained permanently.       

There is every need for us to study gravity and climatic forces separately as such and they should not be mixed. 

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #72 on: 28/11/2016 14:08:42 »
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It is true that any two similar masses attracts each other.  Inverse square law mainly describes the process by which it is happening.  Actually Newton generalised it and he did not specify the distance upto which this attraction works. Ok, let us assume that there are two masses, m1 and m2.  It is true that these two masses attracts each other.  But,  gravity start working only when two masses comes near to each other.

Distance to attraction is based on the dilation differences of space energy. The affect is the inverse square of the distance. Dilation is a gradient and the cause of gravity (Einstein's curved space). Your question becomes is there enough dilation gradient to move an object? We are attracted to the center of the Earth because of the dilation of energy is greatest in the center of the Earth. There is less energy per volume of space in the center. The suns dilation affects the Earth trying to pull it away from a straight line. The orbit is the equilibrium between gravity and centrifugal force.

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Newton's theory up to inverse square law  is 100%  correct.  But, universal law of gravitation  is not incorrect.  Actually Newton extended his inverse square law, as universal law of gravitation without any base.
But there is a basis. Geometry of space. Look at everything that works on the inverse square law. Look at a ball, double the distance and the ball is one quarter the visual size. Double the diameter you get four times the mass. All spectral signals work that way including magnetism. The math of geometry follows the observations. 

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Einstein realised that attraction of masses is far limited and he did not accepted Universal law of gravitation.  He carried out number of experiments, gravitational time dilation, gravitational lensing, gravitational red shift of light.  Soon, he realised that it is the energy momentum as the reason for gravity on earth.  But he could not find the source and moved to spacetime.

Yes, spacetime is an indicator of the energy state when you use a clock. What do we measure with a clock? c as the energy state of your frame. Dilation of energy in GR is an increase in distance between energy accelerators of electron motion. Electrons, protons and neutrons are attracted to greater dilation of energy. Greater dilation causes less friction to spacetime for moving electrons. Mass creates dilation of space energy and mass is attracted to a greater dilation of space energy. Its extremely simple.

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Gravitational lensing:  Through his experiments, Einstien proved that light bent near the gravity field.  But he forget that we are already in the gravity field and it is influencing each and everything including light.  Gravitational lensing is going on the earth continuously.
Lensing is the visual threshold of dilation of energy between mass spacetime mc and spacetime c E=mc^2. Mass is a conduit for spcetime energy by moving electrons.

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Dark energy:  While carrying out these experiments also they have forget that they are doing these experiments in a gravity field and it is influencing it.  It is true that 75% of the universe is covered by Dark energy
I suspect 100% of the universe is covered by dark mass energy (spacetime). Time = Motion = Energy

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As per General relativity curvature of the space time is decided by mass. In other words mass tells space time how to curve. Newton's law of gravitation clearly says gravitation is the attraction of two masses, which is known to us, and it is appearing before us.  Where as Einstein's curvature of space time is an imagination and its presence is not known.  For quite long time it is a mystery, whether space time is a curved one or horizontal. 
Energy being point to point would be horizontal and vertical. We know it is point to point because there is no perfect circle. Just points closer together to create space. Pie is our proof.

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How mass dilates energy:
Actually, we know how much energy mass posses.  How this small amount of energy comes out and forms as a curve.  If the energy has to create a curve means, it must be freed from the atoms.  But energy remaining within atom, a curve is formed.
Two completely separate systems. Think of a black hole and the rest of the galaxy. Spacetime has order mass follows the dictates of that order. Spacetime is quantum mechanics that force mass into the motions we call physical laws.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #73 on: 04/12/2016 15:23:02 »
Thank you GOC,

But i could not understand why "Sorry got to go".  Please give your opinion without any hesitation.  It appears that your feelings are hurt. 

Hereby, I would like to inform you that  i had no idea of critising Einstein, but presenting mine ideas only.

SOURCE OF GRAVITY:
When the apple fell on the ground, number of doubts came in the mind of Newton.  Why do not the apple stay in the tree itself, and what force caused it to came down to earth. He realised that there is certain force is working on the apple.  This idea itself is great and extra-ordinary.  But he could not found the source.  At that time he
was doing research on Inverse square law, so naturally he thought that the earth is a huge mass and it is attracting each and everything towards it.

To find out the source, Einstein carried out number of experiments.   Soon, he realised that it is the Energy momentum as responsible for gravity.  But where is the source.  For us, people on the earth sun is the main source of energy.  But, Sun energy is not raising radiation abnormally and it was ruled out as main source of
gravity.  So, Einstein looked at Space energy as responsible for Gravity.  But space energy is far limited.

Before attempting gravity, i had written number of theories but faced lot of criticism.   When i had started writing gravity, i could not get the source/medium by which it is happening and i had placed a full stop for several years.  Luckily, by virtue of blessing of god, one simple incident that happened in the early days came back to my mind.  It was a severe winter season,  Total area of the house is one compact and there are no barriers/separations.  Fire wood was used to cook food in the evening, and the charcoal continued to emit radiation upto 4 am.   This small amount of radiation, with the help of existing energy base in that area, was able to resist cool breeze up to certain area. 

It is true that Earth is not a burning firewood, but a burning charcoal only.  Earth is dilating small amount of energy into open area, and it is joining existing energy base and  is not allowing hydrosphere to occupy earth.    Hydrosphere carry's weight and it is creating pressure on Energy base and Energy base in turn accelerating
against objects.  "THIS IS THE SOURCE FOR GRAVITY". 

CLIMATE AND GRAVITY:
Suppose, if anybody ask you, why gravity is weak on moon, instantly you will reply that climate is weak.  If you threw an electrical bulb, it will break with big noise.  In this case we are saying that it is due to climate forces. These are not two different subjects and there is direct link in between these two.  Unless climate is developed
on any planet, there is no gravity at all. 

As long as the apple remains in the tree, it is fully in the grip of climate forces i.e, fundamental energy and when it comes down to earth gravity start working.   

Newton's Inverse square law is 100% correct, but without source, he simply extended this theory to Universal law  of Gravitation and thus knowingly or unknowingly he has drawn a big circle.  We are all moving in this circle.  Actually Einstein tried to came out of circle, but he could not found the source and this resulted as a setback
to his research.   

It is true that climate is exerting lot of force on the nature.  We all knew that without this force, water will not take 3 stages, and impossible to pump water from a borewell.  Here too, physicists have drawn a big circle in the name of "pressure of air" and left other things to gravity.

When i had attempted gravity, soon realised that it is the base for all other theories.  It is influencing each and everything, micro to macro mass on earth.  Whatever experiment you have done or going to do, we have to keep in mind that it is being influenced by the gravity.

Ok, i request the physicists, to break the silence, come out openly and start thinking in this angle, so that we can break this circles and draw a straight line of research.  I am sure it will pave the way for future research in big way.

Once again, Mr GOC, i had no idea of criticising anybody, please continue the discussion.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #74 on: 04/12/2016 18:02:37 »

  You cannot hurt my feelings. "Got to go" I was late for work. I do not care whom you criticize or do not. I follow relativity, you can or cannot if you like but I use Relativity as a basis for quality of understanding. Spacetime in my estimation is the foundation energy to move electrons with angular motion as a vector. So discussing weather patterns is secondary and not the cause of gravity to my mind. Gr dilation is the attractive force to my mind. mass being attracted to the inverse square distance to the most dilated position (center of mass). This is Einstein's curved space.
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« Reply #75 on: 18/12/2016 15:13:27 »
GRAVITATIONAL LENSING:
"A gravitational lens is a distribution of matter (such as a cluster of galaxies) between a distant light source and an observer, that is capable of bending the light from the source as the light travels towards the observer. This effect is known as gravitational lensing, and the amount of bending is one of the predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity"

Although either Orest Khvolson or Frantisek Link  is sometimes credited as being the first to discuss the effect in print, the effect is more commonly associated with Einstein, who published a more famous article on the subject in 1936.

Unlike an optical lens, a gravitational lens bends to the maximum light that passes closest to its center, and to a minimum light that travels furthest from its center. Consequently, a gravitational lens has no single focal point, but a focal line. The term "lens" in the context of gravitational light deflection was first used by O.J. Lodge, who remarked that it is "not permissible to say that the solar gravitational field acts like a lens, for it has no focal length". If the light source, the massive lensing object, and the observer lie in a straight line, the original light source will appear as a ring around the massive lensing object.

The first observation of light deflection was performed by noting the change in position of stars as they passed near the Sun on the celestial sphere. The observations were performed in May 1919 by Arthur Eddington, Frank Watson Dyson, and their collaborators during a total solar eclipse.  The solar eclipse allowed the stars near
the Sun to be observed. Observations were made simultaneously in the cities of Sobral, Ceará, Brazil and in São Tomé and Príncipe on the west coast of Africa. The observations demonstrated that the light from stars passing close to the Sun was slightly bent, so that stars appeared slightly out of position.

It is true that we are in a strong gravity field.  At present most of our concentration is on "how light bent near strong gravity fields" such as stars.  When this strong gravity influences outside light moving near to it, what about light withing the gravity field. 

In the evening, when the lights were switched on in the streets,  so many things came to my mind.  When the light bulb is at 10 feet, how so much of light is coming to the ground.  It is true that capacity of light bulb is very weak and it is capable of spreading light upto small area only.  To my surprise, when observed most of the light
is coming to the ground.  Actually bulb was not fully bent towards the earth, but slightly bent. 

When taken, amount of light spread by the bulb,  in my view 60% is coming to the ground.  Actually the bulb is at the height of 10 feet, and the capacity of bulb is also weak, so naturally only 20%  has to come to the ground.  But there is a gap of 40%.  This is due to gravitational lensing only.

Suppose if there is no gravitational lensing, then we have to arrange bulb near to the ground and in straight lines. 

After coming into the house, i had observed deflection of light towards the ground.  Here too, tube light was at almost 9 feet height.  But most of the light is on the ground only.  Actually gravity is weak inside the house, but deflection is going on.

Lensing of light can be observed in the case of sun light also.  In the morning and evening there is deflection of light towards ground.  Actually, when earth and sun are in straight lines, most of the sun light is to move above the surface of the earth.  But it is not happening so.  Here, most of the light is also concentrated at the plain
areas where there is strong gravity field.

METHOD OF DEFLECTION:
Basically we have to keep in mind one important point that we are already  in the strong gravity field.  Gravity is not going to be created, or may be created and it is already working on us.   Due to strong climate, there is strong fundamental energy on this earth.  This fundamental energy is influenincg each and everything including
light.   Hydrosphere is exerting pressure/force on this fundamental energy and in turn it is accelerating against things on the earth. 

For this energy, light bulb is also an important object only.  When light start coming out of the bulb, strong energy rays moving towards earth influences and takes them to ground. 

Gravitational lensing when studied on the stars, it is extra-ordinary and something interesting.  But gravitational lensing is not new and is happening on the earth continuously.

Friends, this is big circle, please break the circle and pave the way  for a straight line of  research.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #76 on: 25/12/2016 15:33:41 »
Friends this is not for criticizing anybody but for discussion purpose only.

Well, this thing happened at early school days.  Actually, the teacher, to explain the lesson in a better way, performed a simple experiment.  He lighted a candle, closed it by a glass.  When the fire was put off, he started explaining how things need oxygen to burn.  This is the simple and best experiment to show how things need oxygen to burn.  When the teacher left the class, out of interest i had started reading and understanding the lesson.  Right from starting, i am not having the habit of reading lessons seriously for the sake of exams.  I take lessons casually and go by concept only.  This type of approach badly affected my studies and turned out as an  average student and for the sake of livelihood i had to adjust with a commerce graduation and finally a clerk in a Bank.   But i did not left this habit of casual reading and understanding  gist.   I had started presenting my own ideas/theories and got lot of criticism.  Fearing criticism, i left everything and kept quiet for several years.  one of my friend who read all the theories written by me, surprised and commented that these are not ordinary and "move setters".   In fact it gave lot of confidence to me. 

After the class,  i went home and  read the lesson again and again and finally came to a conclusion that it is not the oxygen but other forces are helping the fire and the glass is coming in between them.  In my view, oxygen may burn, but it does not mean or matter that oxygen aids burning of things. 

At present we take fire as a chemical action, combustion of material when exposed to source of heat.  Once ignited, a chain reaction must take place whereby fire can sustain its own heat by the further release of heat energy in the process of combustion.

When i started writing Gravity, clarity came over fire also.  What ever i had thought at the school days is 100% correct.  It is the gravity waves that are turning out as flames.  We have already discussed that there is stock of potential energy on this earth.  This energy due to the weight of hydrosphere, is penetrating deep into the  things.  For this waves, match stick is also an important object only.  When we use force to rub the stick against box, a layer containing atoms are destroyed and energy within them is freed.  Due to pressure/force, outside energy tries to occupy the gap and freed energy joins them.  This results in boosting of energy concentration at a particular place.  Since energy is moving towards earth, concentration is high at the starting and goes on decreasing. 

However it mainly depends on two important points:
01  Stock of energy present in the outside and
02  Energy dilated by the material due to destruction.

Here, influence of gravity is indispensable and fire changes accordingly.  Suppose in a plain area, where gravity is strong, fire is also strong and it generates more heat and light.  If we move to high hill areas, where gravity is weak, fire is also weak.  To get equal light and heat, we have to use more material than what we have used in a plain area. 

Fire mainly depends on two things, internal energy of the material and presence of outside energy.  In a summer season outside energy is so strong that even simple change can cause fire and it is very difficult to put off. 

At present we are taking gravity,  as helping  fire, but we have to remember that gravity is the basic thing behind fire and not a agent supporting fire.

We are studying fire, explosions as different subjects,  but they are one and the same.  For all these activities gravity is base. 

01  If the material releases internal energy slow and study, than it is fire
02  and if the material releases internal energy suddenly and withing short time than it is explosion.

Both of them depends on the outside energy and varies according to gravity.  Gravity is having roots in number of other theories also.  Basically we are not in a position to decide "what exactly gravity is".   Newton could realise that a force is working on the apple, but he could not tell what type of force and how it is working. 
He simply extended his inverse square law, as universal law of gravitation, thereby leaving sufficient gap.

Where as Einstein has taken  "gravity not as a force but as a consequence of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy; and resulting in gravitational time dilation, where time lapses more slowly in lower (stronger) gravitational potential".   

But Einstein also failed to explain "source" or medium by which it is happening.  Well, time dilation is simply a instrument to test the variations in gravity.  Suppose in plain areas, where strong gravity field exists, time dilates slowly and on all high hill areas, where weak gravity is present, time dilates at a faster rate.  This simply says that there is variations in gravity at different places on the earth.  But this never explains, how original gravity is created or working on this earth.

Here again Einstein equated mass and energy.  Actually mass never equates energy.  Huge amount of energy dilated by mass is due to outside energy only.

Suppose let us assume that there are subatomic particles in an atom than it has to dilate equal or similar amount of energy at all places.  But it is not happening so.  If you detonate an atom bomb on high gravity area, heat and energy released by it may not equate with the heat and light that of detonated in low gravity place. 

For comparison, there is no need to go atom bomb, take low explosive material and compare it. 

European institute is investing huge amount on the project "CERN" to find out fundamental constituents of matter.  Basic and main idea is how an atom dilates so much energy.  Here i would like to place simple suggestion to scientists working at "CERN", once again i would like to tell that it is suggestion only, why explosions varies from place to place according to gravity.  Suppose if you detonate an atom bomb on moon, where gravity is weak, you may not get similar results.  Any explosions mainly depends on the outside potential energy.  In my view, in this situation, scientists may not get far exceeding results, unless and otherwise if any thing, not expected is invented.

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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #77 on: 26/12/2016 17:56:15 »
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If we move to high hill areas, where gravity is weak,

If we follow relativity the closer we get to the center of the Earth the less gravity we feel. So a high hill would feel the attraction more not less. Pressure becomes less in higher mountains but gravity attraction becomes greater. Just the opposite of what you are suggesting. There is no gravity in the gravitational center of the Earth. In the form of attraction. There you would be weightless.
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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #78 on: 09/01/2017 03:08:51 »
Well, GOC
As per General relativity  it is true that if we move to the centre of the earth, gravity comes down and if we move to the poles gravity increases and the same is proved scientifically.  But the way and method by which it is happening is different and is not as assumed by our predecessors.  They have carried out number of practical experiments which in fact mislead them and taken to a wrong direction. 

For example, we have already discussed about force/strength of Dark energy.  Actually Dark energy has got no capacity to accelerate upon other forces and to create pressure. It is due to the force or pressure of outside energy that dark energy gains strength, which we have already discussed at length.

They simply forgot that they are already in the gravitational field and it is influencing each and everything.  When we are doing any experiment on Atom means, we must keep in mind that it is also undergoing influence of gravity.  Simply thinking that if an atom is split, huge energy is generated, misleads us.  Actually an Atom contains very, very small amount of energy and when detonated, it has to dilate "similar physical quantity" only.  We have to take different options and study them.  But we are not changing our mind set, simply concentrating on Atom, and we are feeling that Atom contains sub-atoms and they are detonated later.  Well, i am not against study of atom.  I am sure that there is every need for further research.  But research is different from fact.  The fact is that there is huge gravity force working on each and everything including atom which we cannot deny it.  While studying/carrying out research we cannot omit  this fact.     

Ok, about gravity variations on Earth:
As said by you:
"If we follow relativity the closer we get to the center of the Earth the less gravity we feel. So a high hill would feel the attraction more not less. Pressure becomes less in higher mountains but gravity attraction becomes greater. Just the opposite of what you are suggesting. There is no gravity in the gravitational center of the Earth. In the form of attraction. There you would be weightless".

At present we are of the opinion:
The Earth is not a perfect sphere, but is slightly flatter at the poles while bulging at the Equator: an oblate spheroid.  A perfect sphere of uniform density, or whose density varies solely with distance from the centre, would produce a gravitational field of uniform magnitude at all points on its surface, always pointing directly towards the sphere's centre. . There are consequently slight deviations in both the magnitude and direction of gravity across its surface.

If we take Inverse square law, gravity must be high at the centre of the Earth and must decrease as we move towards poles.  But it is not happening so, the reason is Earth is rotating.  It is true that Earth is a huge mass.  It is not simply standing at a particular place.  There is a huge force, which is keeping Earth at a particular place.  Do Earth is rotating against this force.  No, in fact Earth has got no  capacity to move. 

Suppose let us assume that Earth is rotating against this force, then what happens, nothing will remain on the surface of the Earth.  We must keep one important point that Earth is not rotating, but being made to rotate by the gravity waves.  There is lot of different between "to rotate" and "being made to rotate".   If we forget this difference than everything goes waste.   Ok, let us assume that we are traveling by Bus and the same is compared to Earth.  Here, Bus is moving against gravity waves.  There is a force/pressure of gravity against Bus.  Where as in the case of Earth, which is huge in size, is being thrown to weightless state by the gravity waves.  Here, in the case of Bus, gravity waves are working against it and it is moving with lot of force. 

Gravity waves are  holding the Earth perfectly from all sides.  Earth is not rotating, but being made to rotate by this Gravity waves.  When Earth rotates, it is not Earth alone, but Gravity waves, and the hydrosphere seated against it. 

We have already discussed that there is huge "Energy base" on this Earth.  This Energy base, due to the weight of the hydrosphere is accelerating against things on the Earth.  It is true and known fact that most of this "Energy base" is contributed by the Earth only.  Since Earth is cooling from sides, most of the energy is dilated at the centre only.  Energy is having important quality of  moving from high to low area and there is continuous flow from the centre of the Earth to poles.  At the centre, energy dilated by the Earth is pushing the gravity waves and it is resulting in weak gravity.  Where as if we move to poles, as there is no ant-igravity waves, only standard gravity persists. 

Gravity at any place mainly depends on the distance between surface area and hydrosphere.  In all plain areas, the gap between earth and hydrosphere increases, and gravity waves have to bear more weight and resulting in high gravity.  Where as on the high hills, the gap decreases and gravity waves have to bear less weight, resulting in less gravity.  This is the main reason, why gravity goes on decreasing, if we move in upward direction.  This gap between hydrosphere and Earth increases in summer and comes down in winter. 

 Yours
Psreddy





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Re: What exactly gravity is?
« Reply #79 on: 09/01/2017 13:21:43 »
What exactly gravity is ?
I have concluded in my paper that everything is electromagnetic.
The field vector E and H indicate the arrow of time. Energy is always conserved during constructive or destructive interference because if the E field cancels due to interference then the H field doubles its amplitude. 
This enables a perfect energy conservation mechanism. The electromagnetic medium seems like pretensioned to enable propagation at c.
The medium is homogeneous otherwise we would see the relativistic effects.

Because the energy conservation mechanism looks very clear, I consider that adding a third field as gravity, could destroy this ballance, hence gravity is a interaction between field values in the medium that creates the appearance of a force. Also magnetic and electric pure forces are also aparent and  not forces. The concepts of force an inertia are defined  by newtonian mechanics that assumes object in space are bodies that travel through empty space. The reality is quite different as everything in the universe propagates.

http://vixra.org/abs/1612.0239
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