Does spin plus aether equal matter?

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Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« on: 30/08/2016 15:26:10 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based. I came to this conclusion by observing that galaxies spin, planets spin, suns spin and that atoms must spin also. The universe is divided into fractal dimensions, like a series of Russian dolls. These dimensions extend to infinity both outwards and inwards directions forever.
The universe is made of only one basic sub-atomic particle. This particle has 3 states - left spin (clockwise), right spin (anti-clockwise) and no spin (black-hole). The left and right spin could be interpreted as positive and negative, while the no spin particle could be interpreted as a black –hole or neutron.
These 3 forms make up space and matter. Space is made of alternate left and right spin aether particles which I would call ‘ethons’. The no spin ethon forms the centre of all matter and atoms (neutrons). Neutrons could be regarded as black holes which attract aether particles into rotation similar to how planets rotate around a sun. Aether particles spin at the speed of light.
The speed of light is a dimensional signature of the sub-atomic world. In the sub-atomic world, things happen very fast and don’t obey our laws of time and space. Light is a product of the sub-atomic world and travels at light speed because the ethons are naturally rotating at this speed and are thus conveyed like a conveyor belt. The ethons in space are not attached. They only engage one-another when light passes or they are united by a no spin ethon or neutron. When light passes through aether the ethons engage, as do the cogs in a clock or watch and cause the wave to move at the speed of light. Thus, light is two dimensional. It has both spin and wave energy.
The universe is energy rich. Aether particles spin at the speed of light. When 2 aether particles approach a large body like a sun, they are pushed together and stop spinning. This releases their energy. Thus – E=MC squared.
Using this concept the forces of the universe can be unified. Thus, spin becomes the common denominator which unites matter, light, electricity, gravity, weak and strong nuclear forces.
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #1 on: 30/08/2016 17:27:09 »
At least some matter has no spin.
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #2 on: 01/09/2016 01:21:20 »
At least some matter has no spin.

No spin creates a black hole attractor (neutron). 

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« Reply #3 on: 01/09/2016 04:34:41 »
The universe is a simple place

If that were true, why are so many credible physicists still struggling to understand it's complexities? Frankly, after scrutinizing your explanation, the only thing I see spinning are the heads of those credible physicists.
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« Reply #4 on: 01/09/2016 05:08:03 »
The universe is a simple place

If that were true, why are so many credible physicists still struggling to understand it's complexities? Frankly, after scrutinizing your explanation, the only thing I see spinning are the heads of those credible physicists.

Most physicists don't want the universe to be simple because you can't make a living out of explaining how a simple universe works because it is simple. On the other hand, a complex universe with hundreds of sub-atomic particles is a far more attractive a proposition, with lots of complications and lots of explaining to do and research grants in finding out how these particles behave.

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« Reply #5 on: 01/09/2016 13:30:11 »
The universe is a simple place

If that were true, why are so many credible physicists still struggling to understand it's complexities? Frankly, after scrutinizing your explanation, the only thing I see spinning are the heads of those credible physicists.

Most physicists don't want the universe to be simple because you can't make a living out of explaining how a simple universe works because it is simple. On the other hand, a complex universe with hundreds of sub-atomic particles is a far more attractive a proposition, with lots of complications and lots of explaining to do and research grants in finding out how these particles behave.
You make a fair point there sir, but now what you need is the evidence in support of this "simple" theory. Science requires more than a philosophical explanation. While I agree that spin is significant when studying the subatomic world, I doubt that a peer review will be successful by incorporating said Aether into your Hypothesis.
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« Reply #6 on: 01/09/2016 14:49:47 »
..... what you need is the evidence in support of this "simple" theory.
You have offered conjecture that this single particle exists in the forms you describe. To have your ideas taken seriously you will need details of experiments you have performed and show how the results support your ideas. There is a lot of advice on the net regarding methodology and examples from the work of Faraday, Newton, Galileo etc.
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« Reply #7 on: 01/09/2016 17:36:14 »



You make a fair point there sir, but now what you need is the evidence in support of this "simple" theory. Science requires more than a philosophical explanation. While I agree that spin is significant when studying the subatomic world, I doubt that a peer review will be successful by incorporating said Aether into your Hypothesis.
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I have already submitted my theory but it was rejected because it contained the word "aether" which is a big no no in the science world. That doesn't matter. I know my theory is right because everything fits together perfectly and there is no wastage. The universe is very frugal in its allocation of particles and it wouldn't create hundreds of sub-atomic particles when one particle can do the job.

You could try Robert Distinti's website. He has similar ideas and understands the mathematics behind it as well. My theory differs somewhat from Robert's theory though. I have taken his concept one or two steps further.

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« Reply #8 on: 01/09/2016 17:48:21 »
..... what you need is the evidence in support of this "simple" theory.
You have offered conjecture that this single particle exists in the forms you describe. To have your ideas taken seriously you will need details of experiments you have performed and show how the results support your ideas. There is a lot of advice on the net regarding methodology and examples from the work of Faraday, Newton, Galileo etc.
Good luck in your venture.

My theory is based on logic and observation. For example - The electric plug has 3 connection points. A sphere can only do 3 things - left spin, right spin and no spin. The cogs in a clock spin alternate left and right. Put it all together and you have my theory. Note - No experimentation is required - the evidence already exists, its just a matter of seeing it and putting it together like a jigsaw puzzle.

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« Reply #9 on: 01/09/2016 23:05:28 »
My theory is based on logic and observation.
Really?
Shaver plugs have 2 pins, 3 phase plugs have 4
for a sphere I can think of at least 9 movements, not counting movement through space
Don't understand the cogs bit, that's only 2 directions!
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« Reply #10 on: 02/09/2016 01:27:44 »
My theory is based on logic and observation.
Really?
Shaver plugs have 2 pins, 3 phase plugs have 4
for a sphere I can think of at least 9 movements, not counting movement through space
Don't understand the cogs bit, that's only 2 directions!

My theory requires a little common sense. The basic concept of positive, negative and neutral is all pervasive throughout nature and you can't discount its importance. Electricity is a positive negative and neutral force regardless of how many pins there are. Note - 99% of all plugs have 3 pins.

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« Reply #11 on: 02/09/2016 02:58:21 »
My theory is based on logic and observation.
Really?
Shaver plugs have 2 pins, 3 phase plugs have 4
for a sphere I can think of at least 9 movements, not counting movement through space
Don't understand the cogs bit, that's only 2 directions!

My theory requires a little common sense.

If I may be so blunt, that sounds very much like you have determined that we are lacking Sir. But that aside, could you please tell us exactly how one should define "common sense"? I suggest that there may be as many definitions as there are members here at our forum. It's all a matter of personal perspective..........................right?
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« Reply #12 on: 02/09/2016 03:30:13 »

My theory requires a little common sense.

If I may be so blunt, that sounds very much like you have determined that we are lacking Sir. But that aside, could you please tell us exactly how one should define "common sense"? I suggest that there may be as many definitions as there are members here at our forum. It's all a matter of personal perspective..........................right?
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common sense - The ability to grasp the essential elements without being distracted by - preconceived ideas, rigid formats, unrelated matters, red herrings, unnecessary details, ego related issues, career and peer related concerns. [To cut through the bullshite and get to the crux of the matter.]

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« Reply #13 on: 02/09/2016 14:09:10 »
Here you are welcome to discuss whatever you feel is common sense. Some science fora limit their discussions to the currently accepted view, here we offer a platform for anyone as long as they respect the way we divide our forum up into sections.
See http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66954.0
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« Reply #14 on: 02/09/2016 16:09:18 »
I would say yes. I put your view into a mechanical form of relativity where the observations of Relativity fit the mechanics described. I suspect this is possibly what you meant as a common sense approach. But I would not want to speak for your interpretation without knowing your full understanding. Mechanical Relativity in new theories.

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« Reply #15 on: 02/09/2016 18:09:15 »
I would say yes. I put your view into a mechanical form of relativity where the observations of Relativity fit the mechanics described. I suspect this is possibly what you meant as a common sense approach. But I would not want to speak for your interpretation without knowing your full understanding. Mechanical Relativity in new theories.

The concept of time changing with speed is illogical. I can't accept relativity in this case. It would be more logical for the measuring clocks to change but not for time itself to change. Thus, relativity is just a measurement of aetheric compression due to speed.  Note - Its the compression that causes the clocks to slow down. This is another aspect of my theory which does away with all magical forces and fields and replaces it with mechanical actions. Thus, the universe has no fields or forces but only has mechanical actions. This is the Simple Universe Theory.

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« Reply #16 on: 02/09/2016 18:25:02 »
I would say yes. I put your view into a mechanical form of relativity where the observations of Relativity fit the mechanics described. I suspect this is possibly what you meant as a common sense approach. But I would not want to speak for your interpretation without knowing your full understanding. Mechanical Relativity in new theories.

The concept of time changing with speed is illogical. I can't accept relativity in this case. It would be more logical for the measuring clocks to change but not for time itself to change. Thus, relativity is just a measurement of aetheric compression due to speed.  Note - Its the compression that causes the clocks to slow down. This is another aspect of my theory which does away with all magical forces and fields and replaces it with mechanical actions. Thus, the universe has no fields or forces but only has mechanical actions. This is the Simple Universe Theory.

You are invoking absolute time which would require an absolute frame of reference. This frame would require absolute zero velocity relative to all other particles within the universe and be fixed with respect to expanding spacetime. So which point in the universe do you suggest we anchor this frame to? Earth? Some remote galaxy? Shangri La?

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« Reply #17 on: 02/09/2016 21:06:21 »
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The concept of time changing with speed is illogical. I can't accept relativity in this case. It would be more logical for the measuring clocks to change but not for time itself to change. Thus, relativity is just a measurement of aetheric compression due to speed"

Apparently I have forgotten how to do quotes so here goes the long way.

What is your definition of time? For me time = motion. So speed changes the total possible motion available to the electron cycle time (depending on your understanding of cycle or if you even have one). There is total motion available c and speed reduces the available energy of total motion. Simple Relativity.

"Note - Its the compression that causes the clocks to slow down."

What is causing compression and why is it causing clocks to slow down? Fundamental energy c is being used for speed. Allowing less to be available because of the increased distance the electron covered in space.

"This is another aspect of my theory which does away with all magical forces and fields and replaces it with mechanical actions. Thus, the universe has no fields or forces but only has mechanical actions. This is the Simple Universe Theory."

You seem to be trading one magic for another. What moves the electrons?


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You are invoking absolute time which would require an absolute frame of reference. "

Hardly, I am invoking absolute motion as a reference frame. That is a postulate of relativity. c is the fastest motion possible. You cannot go faster than c (fundamental energy) speed limit. Only I give it a mechanical basis. A grid pattern of complimentary spin offset by a second set with a 90 degree complimentary spin at ~ 45 degrees of angle. Geometrically this is impossible to have equidistant legs.

Obviously you have been taught there is no rest frame without being taught why there is no rest frame. What you are claiming as a zero rest frame is actually the highest fundamental energy state where mass does not exist. So the highest energy state in space is the highest available energy for motion. Where mass and the inverse square exist time energy being used cannot be related to a resting state. Its funny mass itself reduces the energy density of space it occupies. One atom in space between galaxies floating in an equidistance place would have the electron moving the fastest. We view everything backwards. We are biological clocks and age slower the faster our speed through space. All reactions slow to the frame speed of our clocks. There is no absolute frame of fundamental energy.





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« Reply #18 on: 02/09/2016 22:09:20 »
I honestly don't know why I bother sometimes. There is a wall to my immediate left that I could easily bang my head against.

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« Reply #19 on: 02/09/2016 22:22:22 »
I honestly don't know why I bother sometimes. There is a wall to my immediate left that I could easily bang my head against.
I've been considering my wall as well Jeff, but mine is stationed to my immediate right.........................What would please me even more would be to bang some sense into someone else's head but because I abhor violence, I'm left with only mine to take out my frustration upon.
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« Reply #20 on: 03/09/2016 02:14:02 »

You are invoking absolute time which would require an absolute frame of reference. This frame would require absolute zero velocity relative to all other particles within the universe and be fixed with respect to expanding spacetime. So which point in the universe do you suggest we anchor this frame to? Earth? Some remote galaxy? Shangri La?


Time is just a human intellectual construct. It doesn't exist as an entity by itself. Time is just a measurement of spin and rotation. If there was no spin or rotation, then nobody would have a clue what the time was.

Relativity joins space and time as a unit of action. This is plain crazy.

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"Note - Its the compression that causes the clocks to slow down."

What is causing compression and why is it causing clocks to slow down? Fundamental energy c is being used for speed. Allowing less to be available because of the increased distance the electron covered in space.

Aetheric compression. Its the same as driving a car and getting increased wind resistance the faster you go. Thus, the faster you travel in a space ship the slower the clocks will run due to aetheric pressure on the mechanism of the clock. Time, itself, remains unaltered.

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"This is another aspect of my theory which does away with all magical forces and fields and replaces it with mechanical actions. Thus, the universe has no fields or forces but only has mechanical actions. This is the Simple Universe Theory."

You seem to be trading one magic for another. What moves the electrons?

Who said electrons move? Its only the aether flow that moves.





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« Reply #22 on: 03/09/2016 03:26:48 »
Hey guys, Science has been hitting a brick wall for some time. And those of you who do not take in the full observations of relativity will find the wall the fastest. You think others do not understand and that is true none of us understand everything. What makes anyone believe their understanding is correct? My criteria is theory fits all observations with the same set of parameters used for all observations. Current science uses magic to fit their theory.

Both of you might as well bang your heads physics could care less about what you think you understand. Most are just parrots of the same magic dance. You went down a branch of the learning tree. So yes why do you bother? The most important questions you don't bother giving any thought about.
1. Why do electrons move?
2. Why are the electron and photon confounded in every frame?
3. why do you think there is a perpendicular view when understanding Relativity you recognize there is no such thing possible as a perpendicular view because light is independent of the source. You would have to have a fixed frame for a perpendicular view. There are no fixed frames?
4. How can a photon be a particle and a wave? If the particle is moving at the speed of light the wave motion would have to be greater than the speed of light. The blind are teaching the blind. Virtual particle is a weasel word to maintain current understanding not following the math. If it does not follow the math it is wrong.

I could go on with many more examples of the accepted theory without a cause. But please go bang your heads.

I agree many make statements without any backing. Any theory without the mechanical backing is useless including the currently accepted one.

All of these questions are meaningless to main stream because accepted theory cannot answer them. There is a fundamental energy that allows motion up to but not including c. Speed of mass reduces that available energy to c. because all energy of the electron is used up with none left for the cycling of the electron. Follow Relativity or the theory will fail.

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« Reply #23 on: 04/09/2016 04:11:09 »
Hey guys, Science has been hitting a brick wall for some time. And those of you who do not take in the full observations of relativity will find the wall the fastest. You think others do not understand and that is true none of us understand everything. What makes anyone believe their understanding is correct? My criteria is theory fits all observations with the same set of parameters used for all observations. Current science uses magic to fit their theory.

Both of you might as well bang your heads physics could care less about what you think you understand. Most are just parrots of the same magic dance. You went down a branch of the learning tree. So yes why do you bother? The most important questions you don't bother giving any thought about.
1. Why do electrons move?
2. Why are the electron and photon confounded in every frame?
3. why do you think there is a perpendicular view when understanding Relativity you recognize there is no such thing possible as a perpendicular view because light is independent of the source. You would have to have a fixed frame for a perpendicular view. There are no fixed frames?
4. How can a photon be a particle and a wave? If the particle is moving at the speed of light the wave motion would have to be greater than the speed of light. The blind are teaching the blind. Virtual particle is a weasel word to maintain current understanding not following the math. If it does not follow the math it is wrong.

I could go on with many more examples of the accepted theory without a cause. But please go bang your heads.

I agree many make statements without any backing. Any theory without the mechanical backing is useless including the currently accepted one.

All of these questions are meaningless to main stream because accepted theory cannot answer them. There is a fundamental energy that allows motion up to but not including c. Speed of mass reduces that available energy to c. because all energy of the electron is used up with none left for the cycling of the electron. Follow Relativity or the theory will fail.

What is the purpose of this reply?

(1) Are you trying to hi-jack my post with your own ideas?

(2) Do you agree or disagree with my hypothesis?

(3) Reasons for agreeing or disagreeing.

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« Reply #24 on: 04/09/2016 04:23:50 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

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« Reply #25 on: 04/09/2016 04:31:06 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

The only possible source of energy that the universe has is spin energy. Logic dictates that sub-atomic particles must spin at the speed of light. This is the source of all energy. The universe is energy rich.

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« Reply #26 on: 04/09/2016 04:37:36 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

The only possible source of energy that the universe has is spin energy. Logic dictates that sub-atomic particles must spin at the speed of light. This is the source of all energy. The universe is energy rich.

No , spin is a process of energy , not energy.


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« Reply #27 on: 04/09/2016 05:04:14 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

The only possible source of energy that the universe has is spin energy. Logic dictates that sub-atomic particles must spin at the speed of light. This is the source of all energy. The universe is energy rich.

No , spin is a process of energy , not energy.


Where does this "energy" come from? Answer - Sub-atomic spin!

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« Reply #28 on: 04/09/2016 05:17:09 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

The only possible source of energy that the universe has is spin energy. Logic dictates that sub-atomic particles must spin at the speed of light. This is the source of all energy. The universe is energy rich.

No , spin is a process of energy , not energy.


Where does this "energy" come from? Answer - Sub-atomic spin!

The electron ''spin'' is not as you imagine it. Atoms of a ''solid'' do not individually spin , the entirety of  the inertial reference frame ''spins''.

Energy is light related and the initial fusion process of stars that ''feeds'' all other matter that is not a star, if it were not for stars the energy in/of the Earth would soon dissipate leaving a dormant like rock.


What is gained is equally lost to the entropy of free space, thus allowing equilibrium of the matters entropy.


Spin is not energy , although spin can produce work , but the spin is created rather than being.




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« Reply #29 on: 04/09/2016 08:10:24 »




The electron ''spin'' is not as you imagine it. Atoms of a ''solid'' do not individually spin , the entirety of  the inertial reference frame ''spins''.


The atom exists in its own fractal reference frame. We do not exist in the sub-atomic reference frame but we just feel its existence from our reference frame. The speed of light is a sub-atomic reference frame. it signifies the speed at which the aether spins.

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What is gained is equally lost to the entropy of free space, thus allowing equilibrium of the matters entropy.

The energy can never be lost. Its called 'background radiation'.

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Spin is not energy , although spin can produce work , but the spin is created rather than being.

If the aether didn't spin at the speed of light the universe would be totally dark and completely dead. Thus, energy without spin is impossible. Thus, no spin, no energy, no universe, no nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #30 on: 04/09/2016 12:04:32 »




The electron ''spin'' is not as you imagine it. Atoms of a ''solid'' do not individually spin , the entirety of  the inertial reference frame ''spins''.


The atom exists in its own fractal reference frame. We do not exist in the sub-atomic reference frame but we just feel its existence from our reference frame. The speed of light is a sub-atomic reference frame. it signifies the speed at which the aether spins.

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What is gained is equally lost to the entropy of free space, thus allowing equilibrium of the matters entropy.

The energy can never be lost. Its called 'background radiation'.

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Spin is not energy , although spin can produce work , but the spin is created rather than being.

If the aether didn't spin at the speed of light the universe would be totally dark and completely dead. Thus, energy without spin is impossible. Thus, no spin, no energy, no universe, no nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But there is no known aether of space , there is nothing to spin, things spin in space.   To have any chance of your theory you would have to prove the aether to begin with.

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Thus, no spin, no energy, no universe, no nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hmmm! big bang my friend not spin.

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« Reply #31 on: 04/09/2016 22:57:17 »
But there is no known aether of space , there is nothing to spin, things spin in space.   To have any chance of your theory you would have to prove the aether to begin with.
I wouldn't waste your time in this thread, he doesn't have anywhere near your observational and analytical skills. And I'm being serious.
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #32 on: 05/09/2016 02:06:08 »
But there is no known aether of space , there is nothing to spin, things spin in space.   To have any chance of your theory you would have to prove the aether to begin with.
I wouldn't waste your time in this thread, he doesn't have anywhere near your observational and analytical skills. And I'm being serious.

Avoidance of issues is the first sign of deception.  Now seeking peer group ratification and back patting from colleges to disguise feelings of insecurity and doubt. lol!

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #33 on: 05/09/2016 09:36:49 »
But there is no known aether of space , there is nothing to spin, things spin in space.   To have any chance of your theory you would have to prove the aether to begin with.
I wouldn't waste your time in this thread, he doesn't have anywhere near your observational and analytical skills. And I'm being serious.

Avoidance of issues is the first sign of deception.  Now seeking peer group ratification and back patting from colleges to disguise feelings of insecurity and doubt. lol!

Well! I wouldn't be to sure he was not ''speaking'' to you .  Peer, college?   not me, I am banned from all sections except this one. I ''argue'' more than most .

My objective does not allow itself to do ''god'' theories, in other words you can't base  theory on a Aether if there is no Aether proven to begin with .


p.s  Colin, waste my time?  I am hardly overwhelmed with conversation so I will take what discussion I can get. (presuming your post was aimed in my direction).



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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #34 on: 05/09/2016 13:28:59 »


Well! I wouldn't be to sure he was not ''speaking'' to you .  Peer, college?   not me, I am banned from all sections except this one. I ''argue'' more than most .

My objective does not allow itself to do ''god'' theories, in other words you can't base  theory on a Aether if there is no Aether proven to begin with .


The aether has many different names to disguise its aetherness. (dark matter, dark energy, space-time continuum, virtual photons, non energy quantum fluctuations and Planck's constant).  You obviously don't understand that the aether is just a political football of the science world. Its the elephant in the room which nobody is allowed to talk about. People only whisper its name in secret places because they are all afraid of being thought of as old fashioned and not with it. But as soon as they discarded it, they had to immediately reinvent it under a different name because the universe doesn't make any sense without it.

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« Reply #35 on: 05/09/2016 19:21:59 »


Well! I wouldn't be to sure he was not ''speaking'' to you .  Peer, college?   not me, I am banned from all sections except this one. I ''argue'' more than most .

My objective does not allow itself to do ''god'' theories, in other words you can't base  theory on a Aether if there is no Aether proven to begin with .


The aether has many different names to disguise its aetherness. (dark matter, dark energy, space-time continuum, virtual photons, non energy quantum fluctuations and Planck's constant).  You obviously don't understand that the aether is just a political football of the science world. Its the elephant in the room which nobody is allowed to talk about. People only whisper its name in secret places because they are all afraid of being thought of as old fashioned and not with it. But as soon as they discarded it, they had to immediately reinvent it under a different name because the universe doesn't make any sense without it.


Ok , looking at this in ''light'' of your explanation of an Aether I sort of get where you are coming from and I have explained this Aether plenty of times before in various forms.

I do prefer the term Dark energy these days. The term alone allowing me to ''see'' the dark energy.


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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #36 on: 06/09/2016 00:14:39 »



Ok , looking at this in ''light'' of your explanation of an Aether I sort of get where you are coming from and I have explained this Aether plenty of times before in various forms.

I do prefer the term Dark energy these days. The term alone allowing me to ''see'' the dark energy.

So, you are quite happy to accept that dark energy exists but still are unhappy with the aether. Even though the existence of dark energy has no scientific proof either and is just a scientific hypothesis.

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« Reply #37 on: 06/09/2016 11:58:22 »



Ok , looking at this in ''light'' of your explanation of an Aether I sort of get where you are coming from and I have explained this Aether plenty of times before in various forms.

I do prefer the term Dark energy these days. The term alone allowing me to ''see'' the dark energy.

So, you are quite happy to accept that dark energy exists but still are unhappy with the aether. Even though the existence of dark energy has no scientific proof either and is just a scientific hypothesis.

No, I said I understand your point now about the aether but would rather call it dark energy.. None of the ''aether'' is proven to exist, they build a picture from nothing, except somethings need a beginning, 1.

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #38 on: 06/09/2016 14:14:01 »
I'm with you Atkhenaken

Been hiding from this forum while delving into my own postulations.  I've contrived a similar postulation to yours.  But I think your off by two spin.  There's perpendicular forces ie. electro-magnetism.

That suggests theres 4 spin.  up/down - left/right...  Which makes your universe a little less simple (not much tho).

I understand your desire to use the term aether.  I don't quite see it as an aether.  Space the final frontier, is difficult to explain, because we simply cannot see it.  Doesn't mean it's "nothing", but if you cannot examine a thing, it makes it hard to describe...

I've been working on describing all of the forces as I understand them, to myself with a similar thesis.  You're eaton I refer to as photon in my thoughts, w/out the speed of light.

I don't agree with your neutron - blackhole hypothesis.  I've haven't worked out the math, but I think electrons have electric polar spin alignment and protons have perpendicular (magnetic) polar spin alingment. I think neutrons have both combined in harmony.

These are some of the ideas I've been working on.  Theres a lot more details that need to work out, but I think you & I are on the right track.

Instead of 10 dimensional strings, it all boils down to a buckyball universe.  :)  Describing the bucky ball is difficult when you cannot ever hold one still and look at it nor, measure it's properties, etc...  That's where the math will come in handy.
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« Reply #39 on: 06/09/2016 14:37:45 »
I'm with you Atkhenaken

Been hiding from this forum while delving into my own postulations.  I've contrived a similar postulation to yours.  But I think your off by two spin.  There's perpendicular forces ie. electro-magnetism.

That suggests theres 4 spin.  up/down - left/right...  Which makes your universe a little less simple (not much tho).

I understand your desire to use the term aether.  I don't quite see it as an aether.  Space the final frontier, is difficult to explain, because we simply cannot see it.  Doesn't mean it's "nothing", but if you cannot examine a thing, it makes it hard to describe...

I've been working on describing all of the forces as I understand them, to myself with a similar thesis.  You're eaton I refer to as photon in my thoughts, w/out the speed of light.

I don't agree with your neutron - blackhole hypothesis.  I've haven't worked out the math, but I think electrons have electric polar spin alignment and protons have perpendicular (magnetic) polar spin alingment. I think neutrons have both combined in harmony.

These are some of the ideas I've been working on.  Theres a lot more details that need to work out, but I think you & I are on the right track.

Instead of 10 dimensional strings, it all boils down to a buckyball universe.  :)  Describing the bucky ball is difficult when you cannot ever hold one still and look at it nor, measure it's properties, etc...


The Universe is not hard to understand in terms of forces, direction, up, down, left and right are just the figurative of speech. There only exists at this ''time'' relatively +ve direction and -ve direction relative to each independent observer, by observer I do not just mean things that can see and observe, I mean the entirety of matter in free space observing and experiencing their affects on each other.
Spin is a process rather than a cause of ''things'', forces acting on forces etc.

I consider the universe is compressing and decompressing simultaneously, I consider unlike the present information, dark energy is the compressor and also in close relationship to the strong nuclear force and gravity.

I consider that ''light'' energy is the decompress, things that gain more ''light'' expand. Likewise charges repel.

However I also consider that both a dark energy and a light energy could occupy a void and absolute space.



 
 

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« Reply #40 on: 06/09/2016 15:52:39 »
I'm with you Atkhenaken

Been hiding from this forum while delving into my own postulations.  I've contrived a similar postulation to yours.  But I think your off by two spin.  There's perpendicular forces ie. electro-magnetism.

That suggests theres 4 spin.  up/down - left/right...  Which makes your universe a little less simple (not much tho).

Left and right spin is all that there can be. You can rotate the left or right spin in any direction which includes up and down. Thus, both up and down are already taken into consideration as part of my theory. Rotation is only possible when considering neutrons. Space doesn't have any rotation which differentiates itself from matter. Thus, what we call "matter" are ethons in rotation around a neutron. Dimensionality is the complicated part. Fractal dimensions differentiate atoms from galaxies. Time and dimensional differences make it impossible to see inside an atom.

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I understand your desire to use the term aether.  I don't quite see it as an aether.  Space the final frontier, is difficult to explain, because we simply cannot see it.  Doesn't mean it's "nothing", but if you cannot examine a thing, it makes it hard to describe...

I've been working on describing all of the forces as I understand them, to myself with a similar thesis.  You're ethon I refer to as photon in my thoughts, w/out the speed of light.

Think of the universe as a kind of Photoshop which has layers which are invisible but can influence other layers depending on the programming. The speed and nature of light are two important keys to understanding the universe. Light being two dimensional can only travel as a spin/wave through a medium. Thus, light has spin torque which gives it its intensity. Note - The sun burns your skin slowly. How? Spin torque! Get a long round and narrow stick and spin it fast on your skin and your skin will burn. Same thing!

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I don't agree with your neutron - blackhole hypothesis.  I've haven't worked out the math, but I think electrons have electric polar spin alignment and protons have perpendicular (magnetic) polar spin alingment. I think neutrons have both combined in harmony.

Recent research has found that galactic shapes are very similar to atomic shapes. Most scientists will say that galaxies don't resemble atoms but they don't take into consideration the dimensional time shift.

Further research see - Robert Distinti's website.

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« Reply #41 on: 06/09/2016 16:52:58 »

The sun burns your skin slowly. How? Spin torque!

The Sun does not burn your skin, your skins reaction to the radiation is the burning you feel. 

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« Reply #42 on: 07/09/2016 02:46:29 »

The sun burns your skin slowly. How? Spin torque!

The Sun does not burn your skin, your skins reaction to the radiation is the burning you feel.

Radiation equals spin torque. Thanks for your confirmation!

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« Reply #43 on: 08/09/2016 11:04:10 »

The sun burns your skin slowly. How? Spin torque!

The Sun does not burn your skin, your skins reaction to the radiation is the burning you feel.

Radiation equals spin torque. Thanks for your confirmation!


There is no confirmation in that post, please do not misinterpret my posts and put in your own words that  you want to hear.


Radiation = pressure

You skin becomes Saturated in radiation, the greater the radiation intensity the greater the ''heat'' you feel. The atoms/molecules/chemicals of you interact with the radiation and reacting in some way. I still do not see why you are applying spin although ''light'' spins according to theory, (I have no idea how true that is).

The greater the pressure and intensity of ''light'' the denser the ''layers'' of Photons are at the surface point of permeability of the surface, the electromagnetic field and resonating ''signal'' from the surface structure obstructing and creating a ''bottleneck/congestion of ''light''.









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« Reply #44 on: 11/09/2016 15:55:52 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

Spin is the primary source of all energy.

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« Reply #45 on: 11/09/2016 15:59:25 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based.

Ok, I have thought about this myself in the past, spin is not the primary although in principle spin/rotation is a ''huge'' part of the activity of the Universe.
However spin/rotation is surely a process of acting force(s)?

Spin is the primary source of all energy.

No, compression and ''storage'' ability is the rudiment of E. Spin has nothing to do with it.



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« Reply #46 on: 12/09/2016 06:16:19 »


No, compression and ''storage'' ability is the rudiment of E. Spin has nothing to do with it.

How is energy stored??????????

What is the storage mechanism????????

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« Reply #47 on: 12/09/2016 08:06:26 »


No, compression and ''storage'' ability is the rudiment of E. Spin has nothing to do with it.

How is energy stored??????????

What is the storage mechanism????????


Similar to magnetic storage the same has a hard drive works.   A magnetic field can stop some hf getting in, but it also captures some light and stops it escaping.
The storage mechanism is the field, and all matter generates a field , contains a field. The Hf within a field, is pushed to the center of the field where it then is forced to rotate by a sort of mini magnus effect.

Entropy is just a technical term for capacitance.

The K max of S of an isolated ''power cell''= hf/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s..........................................................................



 


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« Reply #48 on: 12/09/2016 09:44:37 »


No, compression and ''storage'' ability is the rudiment of E. Spin has nothing to do with it.

How is energy stored??????????

What is the storage mechanism????????


Similar to magnetic storage the same has a hard drive works.   A magnetic field can stop some hf getting in, but it also captures some light and stops it escaping.
The storage mechanism is the field, and all matter generates a field , contains a field. The Hf within a field, is pushed to the center of the field where it then is forced to rotate by a sort of mini magnus effect.

Entropy is just a technical term for capacitance.

The K max of S of an isolated ''power cell''= hf/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s..........................................................................


"pushed to the centre where it is forced to rotate" Thus, we are in total agreement that spin is the ultimate action of the universe. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis.

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« Reply #49 on: 12/09/2016 15:15:16 »


No, compression and ''storage'' ability is the rudiment of E. Spin has nothing to do with it.

How is energy stored??????????

What is the storage mechanism????????


Similar to magnetic storage the same has a hard drive works.   A magnetic field can stop some hf getting in, but it also captures some light and stops it escaping.
The storage mechanism is the field, and all matter generates a field , contains a field. The Hf within a field, is pushed to the center of the field where it then is forced to rotate by a sort of mini magnus effect.

Entropy is just a technical term for capacitance.

The K max of S of an isolated ''power cell''= hf/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s..........................................................................


"pushed to the centre where it is forced to rotate" Thus, we are in total agreement that spin is the ultimate action of the universe. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis.

You keep doing that, that does not confirm spin is the ultimate action of the Universe although spin is a key thing of the Universe , it is not the ultimate. Other actions occur before spin.