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« Reply #100 on: 20/09/2016 02:39:16 »
No reasonable reply - Thus, still false. Providing a bigger picture (enlarged) which doesn't include a size scale is still unscientific nonsense.

rofl.... Ever hear of the nanometer scale genius?

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Oh and viruses average around 30-50 nm



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« Reply #101 on: 20/09/2016 02:46:54 »
The pictures vary significantly from the text book version

Let's see Atkhenaken's "textbook version"?

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« Reply #102 on: 20/09/2016 02:55:41 »
Its all just computer generated and fabricated nonsense to justify and prevent billions of dollars in litigation by the general public.

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Bad diet causes disease and that's that.

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Viruses are just normal body produced hormones and cells which the body uses to rid itself of unwanted pollution and garbage which the stupid person has allowed to enter their bodies.

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End of story! Get with it! Don't support criminal medical organisations and other fraudsters.

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« Reply #103 on: 20/09/2016 03:10:52 »
No reasonable reply - Thus, still false. Providing a bigger picture (enlarged) which doesn't include a size scale is still unscientific nonsense.

rofl.... Ever hear of the nanometer scale genius?

So, you added a scale which wasn't there before. Good Photoshop skills. I congratulate you! Soooooooooorrrrrrry.............. but the horse has already bolted! lol

The fraud has been exposed!





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« Reply #104 on: 20/09/2016 03:51:55 »
So, you added a scale which wasn't there before. Good Photoshop skills. I congratulate you! Soooooooooorrrrrrry.............. but the horse has already bolted! lol The fraud has been exposed!

I didn't "add" anything to the picture and nobody photoshopped it either rofl.....

If you would like to take issue with the credibility of the picture, perhaps you should contact CDC/ C. Goldsmith, P. Feorino, E. L. Palmer, & W. R. McManus.


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« Reply #105 on: 20/09/2016 03:57:29 »
So, you added a scale which wasn't there before. Good Photoshop skills. I congratulate you! Soooooooooorrrrrrry.............. but the horse has already bolted! lol The fraud has been exposed!

I didn't "add" anything to the picture and nobody photoshopped it either rofl.....

If you would like to take issue with the credibility of the picture, perhaps you should contact CDC/ C. Goldsmith, P. Feorino, E. L. Palmer, & W. R. McManus.

You still have a long, long way to go.

2. There is no description of what part of the body this is.

3. There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses.

4. How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?

5. How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?

6. There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams.

Note - The electron microscope is hopeless at photographing soft squishy objects such as cells. Its only practical application is for hard materials such as rock or metallic objects.

The fact remains that grain, sugar, alcohol and dairy cause 98 % of all disease. Just take away these unnecessary products and you can stop most diseases. Wake up to the scam!
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« Reply #106 on: 20/09/2016 08:38:19 »
Note - The electron microscope is hopeless at photographing soft squishy objects such as cells. Its only practical application is for hard materials such as rock or metallic objects.

Really ?
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« Reply #107 on: 20/09/2016 12:32:52 »
Note - I have worked in an electron microscope unit, so don't try to bluff me with garbage.

Note - The electron microscope is hopeless at photographing soft squishy objects such as cells. Its only practical application is for hard materials such as rock or metallic objects.

Can we hear more about this "electron microscope unit"???

Did the equipment look like this by chance:



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« Reply #108 on: 20/09/2016 19:53:53 »
" No size scale indicated - Thus - False"
If I showed you a picture of a man with a mouse in his hand and said that the man was bigger than the mouse would you say that isn't true because he is not holding a ruler?
The size is indicated by the presence of a cell in the picture. The virus particles are about a thousand times smaller.
did you not understand that?

Still no size scale! - Thus false. Unscientific idiotic nonsense! To be a scientist, you MUST use scientific methodologies. The reason they keep omitting size scale references is because they are committing a fraud and don't want to get caught!

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"Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals."
Yes it has. In particular with Norovirus because it's difficult to culture ( a recent breakthrough means they no longer have to use human volunteers.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825172254.htm

Norovirus - or other wise known as 'cruise ship disease'. People who travel on cruises eat and live like imbeciles with little sleep, too much alcohol, bad diet and very little exercise. Thus, this is the reason that they get sick and has nothing to do with viruses. Again - dairy, sugar and grain the main cause - resulting in leaky gut syndrome.

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" Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False"
Yes they do. Here's an article about the chickenpox virus genome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413377/

The whole virus identification process is a fraud. Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus. Garbage!


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It seems rude to ask but, do you (ya) have some sort of learning disorder that stops you (ya) understanding things like not needing a scale to see if one thing is bigger than another (punk)?

Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!

Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?
Setting aside the observation that the picture does have a scale bar- that you didn't notice- you still don't need a ruler to see that a man holding a mouse is bigger than the mouse.



"Norovirus - or other wise known as 'cruise ship disease'. People who travel on cruises eat and live like imbeciles with little sleep, too much alcohol, bad diet and very little exercise. Thus, this is the reason that they get sick "
OK, why do their doctors + nurses- who are not on holiday and don't behave like that- also get sick?
Here's a hint- it's an infectious agent.
Specifically- it's a virus.

"Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus."
How fortunate that nobody said that it was.
Did you think you were making a point?

Again, things like this
"Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!

Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?"
leave me wondering if you need help.
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #109 on: 21/09/2016 01:21:48 »

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OK, why do their doctors + nurses- who are not on holiday and don't behave like that- also get sick?
Here's a hint- it's an infectious agent.
Specifically- it's a virus.

"Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus."
How fortunate that nobody said that it was.
Did you think you were making a point?

Again, things like this
"Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!

Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?"
leave me wondering if you need help.

Hmm? More junk mail again! Nothing important to say? No refutations or serious comments? Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait till I get an intelligent response. lol!

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« Reply #110 on: 21/09/2016 21:39:07 »

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OK, why do their doctors + nurses- who are not on holiday and don't behave like that- also get sick?
Here's a hint- it's an infectious agent.
Specifically- it's a virus.

"Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus."
How fortunate that nobody said that it was.
Did you think you were making a point?

Again, things like this
"Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!

Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?"
leave me wondering if you need help.

Hmm? More junk mail again! Nothing important to say? No refutations or serious comments? Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait till I get an intelligent response. lol!

Do you realise that, for example, pointing out that the doctors on cruise ships catch norovirus from their patients proves that there's an infectious agent involved. So it' not junk, it is a refutation of your absurd viewpoint.
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« Reply #111 on: 22/09/2016 03:45:22 »

Do you realise that, for example, pointing out that the doctors on cruise ships catch norovirus from their patients proves that there's an infectious agent involved. So it' not junk, it is a refutation of your absurd viewpoint.

The reason that people who live together all get sick is because they all do the same stupid things. They all eat the same foods, drink alcohol, no exercise, little sleep, constant air-conditioning and little sunlight. That's the reason. You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky. Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle. Why? Reason - Because all medical practitioners are frauds and they must disguise the true cause of disease so that people keep getting sick and need more doctors to 'fix' them. Thus, therein lies the scam.
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« Reply #112 on: 22/09/2016 07:24:54 »
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I believe that viruses don't exist and nobody has ever seen a virus.
Well, you're certainly entitled to believe what you'd like to. However you're assertion about nobody having ever seen a virus is incorrect. Since viruses as so small they can't be seen with the naked eye. One has to use an electron microscope to see them. For more on this please see the following webpage: http://penpals.web.unc.edu/2013/04/14/what-microscopes-do-you-use-to-see-microbes/

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post because it would take too much work to correct all of your mistakes, mistakes which are rooting in your lack of knowledge of the relevant sciences.

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« Reply #113 on: 22/09/2016 14:40:49 »
Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle.

Your theory is comical at best. Go ahead and provide an explanation as to the etiology and/or pathogenesis of neonatal viral meningitis, or neonatal herpes simplex virus..... since viruses don't exist & all disease is caused by poor diet & lifestyle choices lol

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« Reply #114 on: 22/09/2016 17:03:18 »
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I believe that viruses don't exist and nobody has ever seen a virus.
Well, you're certainly entitled to believe what you'd like to. However you're assertion about nobody having ever seen a virus is incorrect. Since viruses as so small they can't be seen with the naked eye. One has to use an electron microscope to see them. For more on this please see the following webpage: http://penpals.web.unc.edu/2013/04/14/what-microscopes-do-you-use-to-see-microbes/

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post because it would take too much work to correct all of your mistakes, mistakes which are rooting in your lack of knowledge of the relevant sciences.

Sorry sir, but is your education that is lacking. I am here to bring you closet dwelling fuddy duddies up to date. The pictures that you have presented are of hormones and are not of viruses. Nice try though! lol!

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« Reply #115 on: 22/09/2016 17:14:01 »
Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle.

Your theory is comical at best. Go ahead and provide an explanation as to the etiology and/or pathogenesis of neonatal viral meningitis, or neonatal herpes simplex virus..... since viruses don't exist & all disease is caused by poor diet & lifestyle choices lol

There is no such thing as viral meningitis.

Drug-induced aseptic meningitis
The incidence of drug-induced meningitis (DIAM) is unknown.(?????????????) (known stupid! lol otherwise you wouldn't be telling us! lol) Many antimicrobials can cause the disorder (e.g., trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, ciprofloxacin, cephalexin, metronidazole, amoxicillin, penicillin, isoniazid). Other drugs that have been associated with DIAM include NSAIDs, ranitidine, carbamazepine, vaccines against hepatitis B and mumps, immunoglobulins, radiographic agents, and muromonab-CD3.

DIAM may recur with re-exposure to the offending agent. Green et al reported a case of lamotrigine-induced aseptic meningitis, with a second episode on rechallenge with lamotrigine.[5]

The pathogenic mechanisms of DIAM are diverse and presumably differ from drug to drug. There are two proposed mechanisms: direct meningeal irritation by the intrathecal drug and hypersensitivity reactions to the drug (type III and IV). In type III hypersensitivity reactions, the drug or its metabolite forms a complex with antibodies in the serum, in turn activating the complement cascade. In type IV reactions, T helper cells, after previous sensitization, are recruited to the site of inflammation.[6]

DIAM from muromonab (OKT3) is believed to be mediated, at least in part, by cytokine release. Why such reactions are confined selectively to the CSF compartment is unclear.

Aseptic meningitis—along with cerebral vasospasm or ischemic encephalopathy—has been reported with intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIg) therapy.[7] Jarius et al strongly suggest that in vivo activation of TNF-alpha–primed neutrophils by atypical antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies (ANCAs) of IVIg may contribute to these side effects.[8]


Thus, I think that you will find that in all cases of prenatal meningitis the mother was given some form of drug which has attacked the nervous system of the baby.
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« Reply #116 on: 22/09/2016 17:51:42 »
There is no such thing as viral meningitis.

Sure thing.... and unicorns are real.

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Viral meningitis is inflammation of the layers of tissue that cover the brain and spinal cord (meninges) and of the fluid-filled space between the meninges (subarachnoid space). It is caused by viruses.

The most common cause of viral meningitis is Enteroviruses, such as echovirus and coxsackievirus. Enteroviruses tend to reside in the digestive tract. Infections are very contagious.

Other common causes include Herpes simplex virus (HSV), usually type 2 (HSV-2)

Mosquito-borne viruses (called arboviruses), such as West Nile virus, St. Louis encephalitis virus, and California encephalitis virus

Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)


https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain,-spinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/meningitis/viral-meningitis

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« Reply #117 on: 22/09/2016 17:58:38 »
I think that you will find that in all cases of prenatal meningitis the mother was given some form of drug which has attacked the nervous system of the baby.

rofl.... Wanna bet?

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« Reply #118 on: 22/09/2016 19:17:05 »
There is no such thing as Atkhenaken. It is simply the result of a random collection of objects hitting a keyboard. This gives the impression of an underlying intelligence.

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« Reply #119 on: 22/09/2016 20:07:06 »

Do you realise that, for example, pointing out that the doctors on cruise ships catch norovirus from their patients proves that there's an infectious agent involved. So it' not junk, it is a refutation of your absurd viewpoint.

The reason that people who live together all get sick is because they all do the same stupid things. They all eat the same foods, drink alcohol, no exercise, little sleep, constant air-conditioning and little sunlight. That's the reason. You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky. Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream which makes you sick. Then - the stupid medical system blames it on the viruses and not the food and lifestyle. Why? Reason - Because all medical practitioners are frauds and they must disguise the true cause of disease so that people keep getting sick and need more doctors to 'fix' them. Thus, therein lies the scam.

You keep having to lie to support your "point"
For example, you say "You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky."
there's no basis for saying that is there?
It's just stuff you made up isn't it?


"Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome "
I can put two and two together.
Since the doctors are not involved in the drinking etc and yet they still get sick the cause cannot possibly be due to the drink + overeating so it must be something else- like an infection.

You entirely missed the point that the doctors- who are not drinking and overeating etc also get sick.
That's because it's an infection.
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« Reply #120 on: 23/09/2016 01:50:52 »

You keep having to lie to support your "point"
For example, you say "You seem to think that people who travel on cruises just have bad luck and get norovirus because they are unlucky."
there's no basis for saying that is there?
It's just stuff you made up isn't it?


The amount of sickness on a cruise ship is greater than off cruise ships. Therefore, there is something that's occurring during a cruise which is causing this excessive sickness. That's why they need a separate disease name to cover this particular anomaly. (norovirus) I have been on a cruise and seen with my own eyes the debauched life style, too much alcohol and excessive gluttony. 'Stomach flu' ?????????????? lol What a joke the medical system is! They just make this stuff up to protect the cruise ships from litigation. Wash those hands nincompoops! lol! It will do you no good if you eat crap! lol! You can wash your hands a thousand times and you will still get sick if you eat crappy food.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/gastroenteritis-is-the-curse-of-cruise-ships-and-what-do-owners-do-to-prevent-it/news-story/dc0b8304a54d9c95fd8e7a4c091cc62e

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140128-cruise-ship-royal-caribbean-nation-health-science-virus/


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"Can't you put two and two together and see that there is a pattern here? Bad diet, lack of exercise, constantly drinking alcohol, too much grain, sugar and dairy all add up to sickness and leaky gut syndrome "
I can put two and two together.
Since the doctors are not involved in the drinking etc and yet they still get sick the cause cannot possibly be due to the drink + overeating so it must be something else- like an infection.

You obviously haven't watched a single episode of 'The Love Boat'. 'Doc' was a serial womanizer and reveler in all the excesses that go on in a cruise ship. lol

Get a life moron!

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You entirely missed the point that the doctors- who are not drinking and overeating etc also get sick.
That's because it's an infection.
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Do you have any evidence? Answer - No! Obviously! lol! What a joke you are!
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« Reply #121 on: 23/09/2016 13:19:53 »
Do you have any evidence?

lol....

More than enough contrasting evidence has been presented.

Evidence is only valuable to those who can comprehend it.

You have [zero] evidence to support your opinion and it's quite obvious "you still have a long, long way to go"

Buh bye

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« Reply #122 on: 23/09/2016 18:22:53 »
Do you have any evidence?

lol....

More than enough contrasting evidence has been presented.

Evidence is only valuable to those who can comprehend it.

You have [zero] evidence to support your opinion and it's quite obvious "you still have a long, long way to go"

Buh bye

Unanswered questions -

1. Where do viruses go to when they are not infecting people?

2. There is no description of what part of the body this is.

3. There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses.

4. How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?

5. How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?

6. There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams.


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« Reply #123 on: 23/09/2016 18:32:37 »


The amount of sickness on a cruise ship is greater than off cruise ships. Therefore, there is something that's occurring during a cruise which is causing this excessive sickness.

You obviously haven't watched a single episode of 'The Love Boat'. 'Doc' was a serial womanizer and reveler in all the excesses that go on in a cruise ship. lol

Get a life moron!


Do you have any evidence? Answer - No! Obviously! lol! What a joke you are!

Yes, there is something different about a cruise ship- lots of people in a small space which promotes the spread of an infectious agent.

"The Love Boat" is not real- did you think it was a documentary or something?
If you have to resort to pretending that is evidence you have pretty much admitted that you know that you are wrong.
Calling me a moron doesn't make you any less of a fool.
I have a life thanks- it doesn't involve saying stuff that's plainly untrue on web sites.
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« Reply #124 on: 24/09/2016 02:19:36 »

"The Love Boat" is not real- did you think it was a documentary or something?
If you have to resort to pretending that is evidence you have pretty much admitted that you know that you are wrong.
Calling me a moron doesn't make you any less of a fool.
I have a life thanks- it doesn't involve saying stuff that's plainly untrue on web sites.

Dodge, weave, evade, misinterpret, divert, insult, deny and deceive. These are the stock and trade of the medical establishment supporters. Still 6 questions unanswered.

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« Reply #125 on: 24/09/2016 13:16:00 »
Pointing out that your "reference"  "the love boat" is a made-up story is not dodging, evasion or whatever.
Not addressing the fact that doctors  (and others) who are not drinking or eating to excess, also get sick is evasion.

As for your 6 questions- why should I even bother to address them.
The first  couple don't even make sense.
Why assume the virus has to "go" somewhere?
" There is no description of what part of the body this is."
What body part are you talking about?

"There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses."
Yes there is- they were cultured  + DNA typed.

"How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?"

You seem not to have noticed that was already answered Here's Exothermic's reply again for you
""Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/"

"How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?"
It doesn't.
Nobody said it did.
That's another lie you made up.

"There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams."
That's because they are very small- which is obvious if you actually learn about them.
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« Reply #126 on: 24/09/2016 13:19:24 »
By the way, I think this finally nails your naive idea that it's caused by modern unhealthy lifestyle choices.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2016-07-29/norovirus-outbreak-hits-sisters-of-mercy/1776425165805.html
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« Reply #127 on: 25/09/2016 02:42:10 »
Pointing out that your "reference"  "the love boat" is a made-up story is not dodging, evasion or whatever.
Not addressing the fact that doctors  (and others) who are not drinking or eating to excess, also get sick is evasion.

The Love Boat TV series is based on real life confessions of cruise liner crew who submit stories about things that they have witnessed and seen. It is not entirely fantasy. There are plenty of elements of truth which the series reveals about what goes on behind the scenes on a typical cruise liner.

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As for your 6 questions- why should I even bother to address them.

I can understand your reluctance to want to answer the questions because they show the illogical nature of viral theory. Note - There are no proper answers to these questions because I already know there are no viruses. Thus, any answers that you come up with will have to be completely made up nonsense and scientific fraud. But, I can see that you have been brainwashed by the system into accepting there existence. Note - To become a chemist, you must accept a large volume of nonsense science to pass the exams.

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The first  couple don't even make sense.
Why assume the virus has to "go" somewhere?

It is the science community that insists that viruses "attack" us poor humans. Thus, in order to "attack", you must first be outside of the human body. Thus, if you are outside of the human body you must be hiding somewhere. Thus, the question. Where are the viruses hiding? Note - Your reference regards a nunnery states that the norovirus was an infection that came from exterior sources. (food or water supply)



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" There is no description of what part of the body this is."
What body part are you talking about?


You are supposed to tell me. How can I know what part. You have supplied the evidence which doesn't have any description of the methods by which the sample was obtained.

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"There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses."
Yes there is- they were cultured  + DNA typed.

The methods of measuring viruses are very dubious. Note - It was found that in Japan where there is no HIV. That after testing people for for HIV in Japan, that 25 % of the population was HIV positive. Pure nonsense! lol!

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"How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?"

You seem not to have noticed that was already answered Here's Exothermic's reply again for you
""Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/"

The reference that you have supplied states that the virus matures outside of the host cell. It states that the virus is not mature when it comes out of the cell because it is not budding yet. Note - Viral theory states that a virus requires the internal mechanism of a living cell to reproduce itself. But, your reference contradicts this basic concept by stating that the virus is not yet mature after exiting the cell. Basic logic or a lack thereof I believe. lol

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"How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?"
It doesn't.
Nobody said it did.
That's another lie you made up.

The virus is outside of the cell and is "not budding". Therefore, that makes you the liar!

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"There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams."
That's because they are very small- which is obvious if you actually learn about them.

Funny, I can see them clearly in the textbook digital version of a virus? But, whenever I see a photograph of an electron microscope version, they are missing. Note- When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence, eh? lol!

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #128 on: 25/09/2016 02:52:51 »
By the way, I think this finally nails your naive idea that it's caused by modern unhealthy lifestyle choices.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2016-07-29/norovirus-outbreak-hits-sisters-of-mercy/1776425165805.html

This is just hearsay evidence and has no scientific basis. So they all ate the same garbage or rotten food and got sick. Thus, my theory still stands. You must supply an example where food contamination is not the cause. Also, they must not consume any grain, sugar, dairy or alcohol to qualify to be exempt from my theory. Do you have any proof of this?
Your only possible answer - I have no proof and was just trying to bluff you as I always do. lol

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #129 on: 25/09/2016 02:57:10 »
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence

The spiky (crenated) red blood cells are 1000x the size of a virus ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304734/view

You can learn about scale here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M

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« Reply #130 on: 25/09/2016 03:07:02 »
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence

The spiky (crenated) red blood cells are 1000x the size of a virus ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304734/view

You can learn about scale here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M


Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply. lol Good luck! lol!

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« Reply #131 on: 25/09/2016 03:41:57 »
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.

There will be no pictures of virus emerging from red blood cells as they don't have a nucleus : no DNA inside. So viruses cannot be made by a red blood cells.

Viruses can be made by white blood cells, you've already seen pictures of that in this thread.
Here's a link to more such images ... http://www.sciencephoto.com/search?subtype=keywords&searchstring=lymphocyte+virus+-illustration

Red & white blood cells are about the same size ...

http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304720/view
« Last Edit: 25/09/2016 03:46:58 by RD »

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« Reply #132 on: 25/09/2016 04:30:34 »
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.

There will be no pictures of virus emerging from red blood cells as they don't have a nucleus : no DNA inside. So viruses cannot be made by a red blood cells.

Viruses can be made by white blood cells, you've already seen pictures of that in this thread.
Here's a link to more such images ... http://www.sciencephoto.com/search?subtype=keywords&searchstring=lymphocyte+virus+-illustration

Red & white blood cells are about the same size ...

http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304720/view

T - Lymphocytes produce hormones which regulate the body functions numskull. This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses. lol! (Nice try though) lol

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« Reply #133 on: 25/09/2016 05:40:51 »
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.

If blobs of hormones occurred they would be homogeneous : with a uniform cross-section : they would not have structure, which virus buds have ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/248305/view
« Last Edit: 25/09/2016 05:44:28 by RD »

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« Reply #134 on: 25/09/2016 07:38:42 »
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.

If blobs of hormones occurred they would be homogeneous : with a uniform cross-section : they would not have structure, which virus buds have ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/248305/view

Please state -

1. Method used in obtaining photos

2. Size scale in nm

3. Explain how you get a photo from an electron microscope of an ejecting virus from a T - cell. Seems very improbable to me, having worked in an electron microscope unit myself.

4. Why aren't they ejecting from a normal cell? Is that because only T-Cells eject?

Thyrogobulin Endocytosis - Note - Same picture as your picture but of hormone excretion. lol!

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter/chapter-2-thyroid-hormone-synthesis-and-secretion/
« Last Edit: 25/09/2016 07:56:39 by Atkhenaken »

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« Reply #135 on: 25/09/2016 07:49:53 »
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm

If you click on the "sciencephoto" link below the photo the method [TEM] and magnification are specified.

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« Reply #136 on: 25/09/2016 08:00:07 »
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm

If you click on the "sciencephoto" link below the photo the method [TEM] and magnification are specified.

All questions unanswered. Note - "size in nm". Not magnification. See modifications also.

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #137 on: 25/09/2016 10:09:32 »
If you can't accept the science then the thread is pointless. Which I why it has been locked.