[Tim the Plumber]

Dear God!!!

In 1976 we in the UK had a very hot and dry summer. Whilst there were water shortages, we have a long history of under investment here, Britian did not collapse. The ecosystem did not fall over. There were no mass extinctions. Even though the previous winter was particularly harsh. We managed fine. So did the wildlife over all.

Wow!
It's as if you think that a 3 month blip is the same as a permanent change (or do you know that there's a difference, but choose to misrepresent it)

Given that the anual variation from year to year is very often far more pronounced than the degree of temperature chenge predicted for any location why do you think there is a massive problem?

I get that there are those people who cannot deal with the idea of change at all. I get that there are those who prefer to think that we are all doomed. I get tha there are those who are communist and will jump on any band waggon.

But I don't get why people want to kill millions of people for the sake of not really avoiding a none problem.

Today we use loads of food as fuel. Bio-fuel. This has raised the price of basic food by 30% to 70%. The effect on the poorest billion people on the planet is that, my guess, at least 20 million of them die extra per year.

The next poorest billion are locked into the poverty they are in.

The rich world's rich farmers get more money than they other wise would.

[Tim the Plumber]

Regardless of who the plumber is...  The Earth has a warming trend going on.  2015 was the hottest on record, soon to be replace by 2016, AFAIK.

Sea ice is in, a seemingly horrifying, melting trend...  It's not news in US of America for some reason I can only theorize and it behooves me.  Perhaps NASA & NOAA and a bunch of schools have a data conspiracy thing going on, trying to inflate their global monitoring budgets...  I kinda doubt it, but it could be...

This study seems somewhat Germane to the topic at hand.
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/03/study-links-human-actions-to-specific-arctic-sea-ice-melt/

I care about people dying at a rate faster than ever happened in WWII. I dont't care about sea ice that has no effect on sae level and no other significant effect.

[JoeBrown]

I care about people dying at a rate faster than ever happened in WWII. I dont't care about sea ice that has no effect on sae level and no other significant effect.

It's really hard to track deaths do to climate change because many are simply not reported in US media.  US media seems to have a ban on "climate" related news.  Heat waves didn't reach WWII casualties, so I suppose it's not something you would care about.  However, the Arctic air being pushed further south will cause cold related deaths which also won't likely be linked to "climate change".

The average 3mm annual sea level rise doens't impact many communities all at once, but this year will likely change that.  The Arctic and Antarctic regions are experiencing rather unusual ice reductions, which may (or may not) register greater than 3mm annual sea level rise. 

At present total polar sea ice area/extent is 1 month off schedule.  It's not been recorded before, so when we hit February low, we have have a February high sea level.  I don't know.  I've been told the area/extent doesn't contribute to sea level change...  I believe we'll see what happens come February/March... 

Tho president elect Trump will probably suppress such information, to the best of his administrations ability...

https://14adebb0-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/sea-ice-extent-area/grf/nsidc_global_area_byyear_b.png

[Tim the Plumber]

I care about people dying at a rate faster than ever happened in WWII. I dont't care about sea ice that has no effect on sae level and no other significant effect.

It's really hard to track deaths do to climate change because many are simply not reported in US media.  US media seems to have a ban on "climate" related news.  Heat waves didn't reach WWII casualties, so I suppose it's not something you would care about.  However, the Arctic air being pushed further south will cause cold related deaths which also won't likely be linked to "climate change".

The average 3mm annual sea level rise doens't impact many communities all at once, but this year will likely change that.  The Arctic and Antarctic regions are experiencing rather unusual ice reductions, which may (or may not) register greater than 3mm annual sea level rise. 

At present total polar sea ice area/extent is 1 month off schedule.  It's not been recorded before, so when we hit February low, we have have a February high sea level.  I don't know.  I've been told the area/extent doesn't contribute to sea level change...  I believe we'll see what happens come February/March... 

Tho president elect Trump will probably suppress such information, to the best of his administrations ability...

https://14adebb0-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/sea-ice-extent-area/grf/nsidc_global_area_byyear_b.png

Given sea ice is floating it will not effect sea level at all when it either melts or freezes.

If you live on land that is likely to be flooded by a  3mm sea level rise it is not land in the first place but you can make it land with a shovel and sme work to build some sea defences.

[yor_on]

However one looks at it we're the ones that change our world. And the more we become the worse it gets. We're doing so out of natural instincts, substituting/sublimating those into what the world (that's us) define as worthwhile. Money is not something existing by itself, but greed do exist in each one of us. So we use symbols of different kinds to impress each other, and award ourselves. We've just chosen the wrong ones

[Tim the Plumber]

However one looks at it we're the ones that change our world. And the more we become the worse it gets. We're doing so out of natural instincts, substituting/sublimating those into what the world (that's us) define as worthwhile. Money is not something existing by itself, but greed do exist in each one of us. So we use symbols of different kinds to impress each other, and award ourselves. We've just chosen the wrong ones

In Holland half the land has been changed from sea to land over many centuries of work by the Dutch because they wanted more farmland to grow food.

I think this is a good thing.

Given that some of this land that was sea is 11m below sea level an extra 1m of sea level rise will not cause much difficulty for the Dutch. As long as they have cheap power to pump the water out of course.

[yor_on]

Well, human ingenuity may solve this too :)
Depending on global warming's time table, and severity.

[Tim the Plumber]

I don't think the figure of 40% youth unemployment should be taken to seriously the Italians are very skilled at tax avoidance many of the 40% are simply self employed.

What do you see as being the principal single threat?

Please keep it to just one threat as otherwise the topic will explode.

[zx16]

The threat of Italians.  They always stop Germany winning.