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Is the number 0 the real number 1?

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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #20 on: 02/01/2018 19:13:27 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 02/01/2018 19:06:21
All of that is irrelevant. We all have choices in how we respond to adversity, we can choose to be polite and friendly or not. There are quite a few people on this forum who have or are experiencing significant problems, but they don’t use it as an excuse and remain positive and considerate.
Let’s keep it friendly and polite please as agreed in the forum acceptable use policy. Thank you.
Is there a way to block you?

On what basis do you, can you require that members "remain positive?" Did you recently arrive from Mars? I ask in all sincerity and mirth (I'm attempting to be positive.).
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #21 on: 02/01/2018 19:49:42 »
Quote from: scherado on 01/01/2018 21:43:27
Who made the claim that "zero is no 1?"
Nobody,
but I presume that's a typo.
The OP said that 0 is 1, (there's a strong hint in the title of the thread) and you seemed to be trying to back it up.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #22 on: 02/01/2018 22:38:41 »
Quote from: scherado on 02/01/2018 19:13:27
I'm attempting to be positive
Excellent, keep it up.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #23 on: 16/02/2018 07:34:37 »
I think this is a great post.

The number zero has so many implications regarding everything we use for mathematical transformations as per the Cartesian coordinate system.

The cartesian coordinate system works well when we don't consider relativity; "0" as a concept doesn't work well with "relativity". We can create a "0" reference in space, and then another, and compare those two spatial "0" references, yet either they are actual "0" references or they aren't. They're not in terms of "time".

I think eventually the scientific community will consider the idea of the Cartesian coordinate system and associated "0" reference the real problem with our analysis of relativity.

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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #24 on: 18/02/2018 14:41:03 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/12/2017 22:00:58
If you are counting apples, do you start at zero?
If I am selling apples, I certainly stop at zero. No point in standing in the market thereafter.

Not to be confused with the stock market, which is about promising to buy stuff you don't want,with money you don't have, in the hope of selling it before anyone notices.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #25 on: 19/02/2018 01:21:39 »
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If you are counting apples, do you start at zero?
If I am selling apples, I certainly stop at zero.

It seems that you are asking whether, or not, zero is a number.  To keep this elementary...there are several classifications of number sets.  All have there uses, and all have limitations.  There are, for example, the following:  Real numbers, Integer numbers, Ordinal numbers, Cardinal numbers, Counting numbers (also called whole number or natural numbers), Imaginary numbers, Rational numbers, Irrational numbers, ... and the list continues.

The history of zero is considerably shorter than the history of say counting numbers.  A reason for this may be one of conceptualization.  Romans, for example, were unable to conceptualize nothingness.  The absence of anything was an alien construct to them, and yet they conquered the western world.  In China, much like in Rome, only centuries earlier, there was no symbol for "0".  Theirs was a system of 1 through 9, and the mathematics that could be formed around such.

So, to try to answer the question... Is zero a number? 

Zero is neither positive, nor negative.  Zero does not "exist", it is the absence of function or property.  Yet, zero can be thought to be the beginning of everything.  Certainly, if I take any number, x, and subtract - or more precisely "add the negative (or "opposite") of x to x, I get "0".  x + -x = 0

So, I guess, what do you want to consider?  As for a vacuum... my mathematical opinion is that a perfect, absolute vacuum is not possible.  However, that is only my opinion.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #26 on: 19/02/2018 08:28:17 »
Quote from: petelamana on 19/02/2018 01:21:39
It seems that you are asking whether, or not, zero is a number.   
I believe he was being sarcastic(ish). If you look at the OP it is clearly asking an odd question with its references to beings, and serving 0 etc.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #27 on: 19/02/2018 12:35:03 »
Oh, I get it.  Kinda like "yellow being the new black" sort of thing.
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Re: Is the number 0 the real number 1?
« Reply #28 on: 19/02/2018 15:17:20 »
Quote from: petelamana on 19/02/2018 12:35:03
Oh, I get it.  Kinda like "yellow being the new black" sort of thing.
Mmm, that’s dark. Or do i mean deep?
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