Can terrorism activity trigger our collective consciousness?

tkadm30 · « **on:** 09/02/2017 23:53:36 »

The Quebec terrorist attack has affected my collective consciousness. I felt sad about how one can radicalise itself to commit violent acts on its own people.

Can terrorism activity provoke a strong emotional response to awaken the "collective consciousness"? Or can the medias amplify the phenomenon?

Do we have a "collective mind" and is this evidence of brain-to-brain connectivity ?

David Cooper · « **Reply #1 on:** 18/04/2017 18:12:23 »

When you say it has "affected my collective consciousness", do you mean your consciousness is collective with itself, or collective with other people's (which would make the use of the word "my" rather odd)?

Terrorists don't often act against their own people, but against people they regard as an enemy tribe. This is a consequence of ideologies that divide people from each other and the toleration of hate within different communities, the worst kind of hate being the hate speech which has been built into manifestos and holy texts (which is the driver of most of the world's terrorism) and which is very hard to remove when so many people who should know better are determined to hold onto it come what may.

So far as there is a collective consciousness, it is just the shared beliefs and world outlook that groups of people acquire through the exchange of ideas and values. If there was a collective mind, surely we would all feel the suffering of hundreds of millions of people who are starving and who are on the wrong end of genocide, but we think about this when it is on the news and then put it out of mind most of the rest of the time. Ten thousand Yazidis were murdered and we felt nothing until we heard about it on the news. People are being tortured by dictators and we feel nothing of this. Vicious people are getting a kick out of killing and torturing others, and we do not feel the thrill that they experience.

Ideas don't travel by means of any collective mind - the wheel was not thought of in the Americas until the Europeans brought it, even though it was being used for thousands of years elsewhere in the world. Perhaps the distance was to great to transmit thoughts though. Think then about exams where someone struggling to find answers is in close proximity to a hundred others who know what they're doing, but nothing crosses the gap and the struggler fails. Perhaps a short, direct connection would help - pressing head against head. That might be an experiment worth trying - it's your best hope that there is such an effect, but beware of lice.

tkadm30 · « **Reply #2 on:** 18/04/2017 23:05:30 »

Quote from: David Cooper on 18/04/2017 18:12:23

When you say it has "affected my collective consciousness", do you mean your consciousness is collective with itself, or collective with other people's (which would make the use of the word "my" rather odd)?

Terrorists don't often act against their own people, but against people they regard as an enemy tribe. This is a consequence of ideologies that divide people from each other and the toleration of hate within different communities, the worst kind of hate being the hate speech which has been built into manifestos and holy texts (which is the driver of most of the world's terrorism) and which is very hard to remove when so many people who should know better are determined to hold onto it come what may.

So far as there is a collective consciousness, it is just the shared beliefs and world outlook that groups of people acquire through the exchange of ideas and values. If there was a collective mind, surely we would all feel the suffering of hundreds of millions of people who are starving and who are on the wrong end of genocide, but we think about this when it is on the news and then put it out of mind most of the rest of the time. Ten thousand Yazidis were murdered and we felt nothing until we heard about it on the news. People are being tortured by dictators and we feel nothing of this. Vicious people are getting a kick out of killing and torturing others, and we do not feel the thrill that they experience.

Ideas don't travel by means of any collective mind - the wheel was not thought of in the Americas until the Europeans brought it, even though it was being used for thousands of years elsewhere in the world. Perhaps the distance was to great to transmit thoughts though. Think then about exams where someone struggling to find answers is in close proximity to a hundred others who know what they're doing, but nothing crosses the gap and the struggler fails. Perhaps a short, direct connection would help - pressing head against head. That might be an experiment worth trying - it's your best hope that there is such an effect, but beware of lice.

Thanks for your input, David.

I think the medias are manipulating "our" collective consciousness by fabricating the terrorist label. Do a quick search on Google for "artificial terrorism" in case you're interested in this phenomenon.

Also, when I feel empathy and sadness toward the victims of so-called terrorists, I assume theses shared feelings are evidences of brain-to-brain connectivity. Perhaps I should have titled my question as "how could artificial terrorism trigger our collective consciousness?"

David Cooper · « **Reply #3 on:** 19/04/2017 17:27:49 »

A quick Google search came up with just one hit, but it was "artificial terrorists" that it found rather than "artificial terrorism". That result is a book which appears to be about a couple of Muslims being framed by the FBI (or tricked into revealing unpleasant beliefs which they had no intention of acting on). Perhaps Google supplies you with a different list of links.

But even if the name isn't widely known, the media could still be exaggerating the amount of terrorism by describing things as terrorism which in reality involve nothing more than mentally ill people going off the rails, or other people who feel excluded from society due to discrimination. However, it is always the case that the people most likely to get involved in terrorism are the ones with the least to lose, so you have to look at why some people in difficult situations turn to terrorism while others don't, and the ones that do are usually the ones who have bought into an ideology of some kind that gives them a purpose and which shows them the way. When a Buddhist goes off the rails, there is nothing in "bless the jewel in the lotus" to push him into violence, so he can't be guided towards violence by his religion. (He can be guided towards violence by someone else's religion though if he feels threatened by its hate.)

If all ideologies and religions where banned from propagating hate, all the hate speech in their manifestos and holy texts would have to be removed, at which point there would be nothing left in any of them capable of steering people towards terrorism and the problem would go away, but the guardians of hate are determined to protect passages about such things as prophets having people burned to death in their houses for failing to attend prayers - they do not condemn those passages, but simply pretend they aren't there or that they aren't hateful, and they leave them in place to influence the ones with troubled minds.

As for the brain-to-brain connectivity, that is all communication through language and the transmission of ideas through images and sound - there is no evidence for a collective consciousness using any telepathic communication method. A hundred thousand people can be killed in a matter of a few minutes by a tsunami, but we feel nothing of it until we hear about it on the news.

profound · « **Reply #4 on:** 04/07/2017 21:20:51 »

Quote from: tkadm30 on 09/02/2017 23:53:36

The Quebec terrorist attack has affected my collective consciousness. I felt sad about how one can radicalise itself to commit violent acts on its own people.

Can terrorism activity provoke a strong emotional response to awaken the "collective consciousness"? Or can the medias amplify the phenomenon?

Do we have a "collective mind" and is this evidence of brain-to-brain connectivity ?

Across the country, opioids killed more than 33,000 people in 2016, more than any year on record, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.NO WALL TO WALL COVERAGE ABOUT THIS? because it would hurt big business=big pharma.The media is controlled by big pharma who spend billions on advertising chemical concoctions and would pull the adverts and money if anything is said about it on the mainstream media.

Terrorism is the least cause of death but gets maximum media coverage. Heart disease is the biggest cause of death but gets the least amount of media coverage.

Your perception of reality is being distorted by the Money Making Media.Just look at them salivating.

Just look at you salivating like Pavlov's dogs when the bell was rung.

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Terrorism is the least cause of death but gets maximum media coverage. Heart disease is the biggest cause of death but gets the least amount of media coverage. Your perception of reality is being distorted by the Money Making Media.

David Cooper · « **Reply #5 on:** 05/07/2017 23:03:22 »

If you ignore all the terrorism that's classed as war, you can pretend that there's very little terrorism, but you're playing a dangerous game. In every war, one side is usually doing nothing but terrorism, and millions of people can die at the hands of terrorists in some wars while you rule them out of the statistics and only point to an handful of hotheads killing people outside of war. The impact of terrorists outside of war is indeed small, but it is tied to bigger things and can turn into major conflict.

profound · « **Reply #6 on:** 06/07/2017 07:36:08 »

Quote from: David Cooper on 05/07/2017 23:03:22

If you ignore all the terrorism that's classed as war, you can pretend that there's very little terrorism, but you're playing a dangerous game. In every war, one side is usually doing nothing but terrorism, and millions of people can die at the hands of terrorists in some wars while you rule them out of the statistics and only point to an handful of hotheads killing people outside of war. The impact of terrorists outside of war is indeed small, but it is tied to bigger things and can turn into major conflict.

War is one on one combatants fighting as in a boxing ring.Terrorism is blowing up shopping malls,concerts filled with random people who are non combatants.

tkadm30 · « **Reply #7 on:** 06/07/2017 09:55:03 »

Terrorism is indeed a poorly understood form of civilian/domestic warfare. I think however the interconnections between terrorism and the medias doesn't justify the scenario of the movie: Human consciousness is shared among a psychocollectivity, and staged terrorism events is likely to motivate more psychotic-like symptoms in peoples with mental disorders.

puppypower · « **Reply #8 on:** 06/07/2017 11:41:46 »

I tend to think that terrorism is media driven. The media plays a large role in integrating the collective awareness. It is through the media the collective consciousness learns to buy products or follow fads.

As an example, say there was an airline crash. Flying is a safe way to travel, yet, after the expert analysis and instant replay from a hundreds of angles, spread out over days, the herd will start to move in unison, repeating what they heard and demanding the airline industry have new regulations, right on cue. The fatality statistics will be forgotten or ignored to run with the latest fad narrative.

The main reason the media hates Trump is he is undermining their ability to move the herd, since on several occasions the media the herd was awaken, only to find itself down a bind ally.

In terms of terrorism, if you had a radical cause, that needed publicity, you can depend on the media to assist you since they benefit by the drama. All the media attention helps direct the terrorist as to how to get free publicity, that get reach far and wide. If the media did not drive it, few people would be aware of terrorism, since terrorism ranks low in terms of death toll compared to many other things. Terrorism tends to be isolated and not commonly seen, in the day to day life of the average person; if you factored out the media.

Auto travel has a much higher death toll. Picture if the media decided to place that on par with terrorism, using the template of doom and gloom and all the expert analysis and debate. They could get the herd all freaked out. They won't do this because the auto industry is a paid sponsor and a source of tribute money. They would weigh the pros and cons with respect to their own bottom line. They will not bite the hand that feed it.

Consider the Trump and the Russian connection where a mountain was made out of a molehill, all with the intension of using misinformation to sell news products. CNN was able to increase market share with this recipe.Trump is calling out fake news which can and has been used to drive the herd down moron ally. The media are very sensitive to their prestige being tainted, since this is part of their charm for running and getting away with scams. The press is help up high as the arbitrator of truth, which is a front for a den of thieves and snake oil salesmen.

profound · « **Reply #9 on:** 06/07/2017 18:28:12 »

Quote from: puppypower on 06/07/2017 11:41:46

I tend to think that terrorism is media driven. The media plays a large role in integrating the collective awareness. It is through the media the collective consciousness learns to buy products or follow fads.

As an example, say there was an airline crash. Flying is a safe way to travel, yet, after the expert analysis and instant replay from a hundreds of angles, spread out over days, the herd will start to move in unison, repeating what they heard and demanding the airline industry have new regulations, right on cue. The fatality statistics will be forgotten or ignored to run with the latest fad narrative.

The main reason the media hates Trump is he is undermining their ability to move the herd, since on several occasions the media the herd was awaken, only to find itself down a bind ally.

In terms of terrorism, if you had a radical cause, that needed publicity, you can depend on the media to assist you since they benefit by the drama. All the media attention helps direct the terrorist as to how to get free publicity, that get reach far and wide. If the media did not drive it, few people would be aware of terrorism, since terrorism ranks low in terms of death toll compared to many other things. Terrorism tends to be isolated and not commonly seen, in the day to day life of the average person; if you factored out the media.

Auto travel has a much higher death toll. Picture if the media decided to place that on par with terrorism, using the template of doom and gloom and all the expert analysis and debate. They could get the herd all freaked out. They won't do this because the auto industry is a paid sponsor and a source of tribute money. They would weigh the pros and cons with respect to their own bottom line. They will not bite the hand that feed it.

Consider the Trump and the Russian connection where a mountain was made out of a molehill, all with the intension of using misinformation to sell news products. CNN was able to increase market share with this recipe.Trump is calling out fake news which can and has been used to drive the herd down moron ally. The media are very sensitive to their prestige being tainted, since this is part of their charm for running and getting away with scams. The press is help up high as the arbitrator of truth, which is a front for a den of thieves and snake oil salesmen.

Well done puppypower.You are perceptive and self aware instead of being a media brain washed zombie like so many people.

A few people get blown up ( by the way i am not dismissing those deaths in any way and of course they were loved by their friends and relatives dearly and will be sorely missed) and everyone becomes apoplectic because it's a non stop 24/7 media circus with everyone getting their knickers in a twist and ready to lynch anyone.

The next day a lorry driver killed 5 people but no one cares because they were not blown up.

Doctors and hospitals and big pharma are responsible for tens of thousands of death every year in the U K but no one cares.It's not on tv

In America 260000 get killed every year by the side effects of prescription drugs but its not on tv so it's ok.

You death is only important if you get blown up by a muslim terrorist.

The latest craze of opioids are killing 33000 a year but people only care about and remember the 3500 9/11 "victims"....

David Cooper · « **Reply #10 on:** 06/07/2017 18:45:28 »

Quote from: profound on 06/07/2017 07:36:08

War is one on one combatants fighting as in a boxing ring.Terrorism is blowing up shopping malls,concerts filled with random people who are non combatants.

Wars by imperialists are terrorism. Wars involving genocide of harmless people are terrorism. Dictators who torture and slaughter "their own" people are terrorists. Most wars are dominated by terrorism because the two sides are not equal in morality. If someone you don't know and who doesn't know you comes up to you in the street and punches you, a fight may break out - that's one-on-one combat and may look very balanced to anyone watching, but one of the people involved is a bastard (unless there's some medical issue that can absolve him of blame) and the other is totally innocent. Wars are usually like that too - one side is deeply in the wrong and every death in what may look like a well balanced conflict is really the result of terrorism. The kind of terrorism that involves people setting off bombs amongst civilians is a subset of the greater set of terrorism which is not normally labelled as terrorism, but don't be misled by the way words are used - it's the meanings that count.

RD · « **Reply #11 on:** 06/07/2017 20:07:58 »

Quote from: profound on 06/07/2017 18:28:12

In America 260000 get killed every year by the side effects of prescription drugs but its not on tv so it's ok ...

Where on this graph of life-expectancy did Big Pharma start to do more harm than good in the USA ? ...

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?country=USA

profound · « **Reply #12 on:** 08/07/2017 17:56:45 »

Quote from: RD on 06/07/2017 20:07:58

Quote from: profound on 06/07/2017 18:28:12
In America 260000 get killed every year by the side effects of prescription drugs but its not on tv so it's ok ...

Where on this graph of life-expectancy did Big Pharma start to do more harm than good in the USA ? ...

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?country=USA

Your post is misleading.Why don't you research Big pharma deaths instead.Maybe you work for them?

RD · « **Reply #13 on:** 09/07/2017 01:28:31 »

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45

Your post is misleading ...

He/she asserted without presenting any evidence as to why.

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45

"Why don't you research Big pharma ... "

see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Do_your_own_research

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45

"... Maybe you work for them?"

see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit

profound · « **Reply #14 on:** 09/07/2017 15:21:34 »

Quote from: RD on 09/07/2017 01:28:31

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45
Your post is misleading ...
He/she asserted without presenting any evidence as to why.

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45
"Why don't you research Big pharma ... "
see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Do_your_own_research

Quote from: profound on 08/07/2017 17:56:45
"... Maybe you work for them?"
see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit

Look the reason i did not give links is because you would say they were biased.

Since you insist here is a pdf below with references and the shocking truth is the number of deaths by Big Pharma is horrifyingly much higher then the figures i quoted.Much Higher

Read and Weep.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjiotyMsvzUAhWsIsAKHWMbDmUQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webdc.com%2Fpdfs%2Fdeathbymedicine.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFpqppVcSTXcvjSJx9fmgzldsZgQA

RD · « **Reply #15 on:** 09/07/2017 17:38:24 »

Quote from: profound on 09/07/2017 15:21:34

Since you insist here is a pdf below with references ...

Your obscured URL links to "webdc.com" : the "c" of "webdc" stands for chiropractic , see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chiropractic

The pdf is apparently written by ....
"Gary Null, PhD", see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Null#Credentials & https://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html,
& "Carolyn Dean, M.D.", see ... https://www.casewatch.org/foreign/dean/dean.shtml

profound · « **Reply #16 on:** 14/07/2017 11:43:53 »

Quote from: RD on 09/07/2017 17:38:24

Quote from: profound on 09/07/2017 15:21:34
Since you insist here is a pdf below with references ...
Your obscured URL links to "webdc.com" : the "c" of "webdc" stands for chiropractic , see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chiropractic

The pdf is apparently written by ....
"Gary Null, PhD", see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Null#Credentials & https://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html,
& "Carolyn Dean, M.D.", see ... https://www.casewatch.org/foreign/dean/dean.shtml

Attacking the messenger and digging dirt on them does not alter the number of deaths caused by Doctors,hospitals and prescription medication side effects.

More then 700000 deaths every year! Terrorism is absolutely nothing.

Terrorism is the least cause of death but gets maximum media coverage.

You forgot to dig dirt on the 152 references quoted at the bottom of the pdf.

Something you could do over the weekend in your spare time.

chris · « **Reply #17 on:** 14/07/2017 13:43:55 »

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Can we keep this polite and civil please.

Thanks

RD · « **Reply #18 on:** 14/07/2017 16:11:15 »

Quote from: profound on 14/07/2017 11:43:53

... digging dirt on them does not alter the number of deaths caused by Doctors,hospitals and prescription medication side effects.

That the leading author of the non-peer reviewed article you cite has a bogus PhD, and the 2nd named author had their license to practice medicine revoked due to incompetence, are relevant as to their credibility and judgement.

There is also an undeclared conflict-of-interest: Gary Null sells unproven nutritional-supplements which he claims are superior to proven medicines, ( and managed to hospitalize himself by consuming his food products ).

Iatrogenic deaths do occur, but propaganda written by a snake-oil-salesman isn't going to give an accurate picture of that issue.

[ BTW Gary denies the existence of AIDs ].

profound · « **Reply #19 on:** 15/07/2017 23:25:21 »

Quote from: RD on 14/07/2017 16:11:15

Iatrogenic deaths do occur, but propaganda written by a snake-oil-salesman isn't going to give an accurate picture of that issue.

What IS a ACCURATE picture then?

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