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Quote from: Thebox on 21/06/2017 14:59:08You have not inserted time dilation into anything, there is no such thing as a time dilation, perhaps you mean a timing difference?I use the definition of time dilation that says light would take more time between my two atoms if they were moving through aether, of course the atoms need a way to count the tics that I didn't find yet, so I'm still looking for some.
You have not inserted time dilation into anything, there is no such thing as a time dilation, perhaps you mean a timing difference?
I have drawn a diagram to show timing relativity.
Quote from: Le Repteux on 21/06/2017 15:14:15I have drawn a diagram to show timing relativity.Time is made of cyclic motions. We measure long ones out of small ones. Long ones vary more than small ones, so small ones stay precise for a longer period, that's why atomic clocks are more precise. My two atoms use the light they emit to stay synchronized, and they succeed to do so because their components do the same thing. The clock from their components is a billion times more precise than the clock they make, that's how they can keep their inertial motion perfectly constant, at least from our viewpoint. If time dilation happens to one of them, it happens to the other too, so they don't get out of sync because of that, and their motion stays constant. Things need to have a use, and time dilation too. For the moment, I can't see any use for it at the atom's scale, and I am still not sure there is one at our scale. I still resist to the idea that one of the twins gets younger.
I only refer to my diagram. It shows how two atoms would act to stay synchronized while being accelerated. If we try to accelerate the left one, it resists to move to stay synchronized with the right one, and that resistance represents mass. If we stop accelerating it, the doppler effect accumulated between the two atoms produces their constant motion until another acceleration happens, and that constant motion represents inertial motion. Without them emitting light towards one another, they could not stay synchronized and there could be no motion at our scale. They do not use clocks to do so, they use their own light frequency, so they do not have to count the tics.
You may not have read yet how I describe the motion between my two atoms, so here it is again:We have two atoms A and B that are part of the same molecule. The time interval represents the time the information takes between the two atoms at t0. We accelerate A for a while and observe what happens to the system from t0 to t7. The blue arrows represent the blueshifted information that travels from A to B, and the red arrows represent the redshifted information that travels from B to A. The acceleration of A begins at t0 and ends at t4, so because of the time gap, the acceleration of B begins at t1 and ends at t5. After t5, the two atoms travel at the same speed, but we can easily see that the distance between them has contracted, and we can follow its progression during the acceleration. At that moment, the information on the future speed of each atom with regard to aether is situated between them in the form of doppler effect. The main idea is that, without doppler effect, there would be no motion between bonded particles, so there would be no motion either at our scale. I insist on the fact that we have to exert a force to introduce that doppler effect between them, and that this force represents mass. So with the same principle, we explain mass, motion and contraction. Of course motion is a bit more complicated this way, but we can discard the complicated Higgs, and we can study more closely what happens with motion at the micro scale, which could help us to link Relativity theory to Quantum theory.As you can see, I use only immediately observable things, and you use entropy, which is not immediately observable, at least for an atom.
The two atoms emit their own light at their own frequency, and they have to move so that the light from the other atom looks as if it had the same frequency as theirs. If the left atom has moved towards the right one before its light had the time to reach the right one, that right one will move away from the left one after a while, and it will do so also before its light had the time to reach the left one, so that left one will also move forward after a while. We can very well see how contraction would happen between the two, but it is less clear how dilation would happen. What seems clear to me though is that, even if it happened, it wouldn't affect the contraction or the speed of the system, because it wouldn't affect the synchronization between the two atoms.
Time is made of cyclic motions. We measure long ones out of small ones. Long ones vary more than small ones, so small ones stay precise for a longer period, that's why atomic clocks are more precise. My two atoms use the light they emit to stay synchronized, and they succeed to do so because their components do the same thing. The clock from their components is a billion times more precise than the clock they make, that's how they can keep their inertial motion perfectly constant, at least from our viewpoint. If time dilation happens to one of them, it happens to the other too, so they don't get out of sync because of that, and their motion stays constant. Things need to have a use, and time dilation too. For the moment, I can't see any use for it at the atom's scale, and I am still not sure there is one at our scale. I still resist to the idea that one of the twins gets younger
If you buy two spades and use one to double-dig your entire garden once a week for ten years, that spade will be badly worn by the end of that time.
In my diagram, inertial mass is due to the left atom being forced to get out of sync with the incoming light, and data shows that there is equivalence between inertial and gravitational mass, so I'm looking for a way to incorporate the redshift from gravitation into my mechanism, in such a way that the particles would be forced to move towards one another to avoid being out of sync. That's incidentally what my left particle does, it moves towards the right one to stay on sync with its light, which is actually redshifted since that right one was moving away from the left one when it emitted its light, but that redshift is not produced by dilation, it is pure doppler shift. If dilation was affecting my system of two particles, and if some light was able to escape the system, then non bonded particles would be forced to move towards one another, and that motion could produce gravitation. Gravitation would then be due to the dilation from inertial motion, and the redshift we observe from galaxies might not be due to motion, but to dilation. I'm just beginning to play with dilation and contraction, so it might take a while before I get used to the game. For the moment, I'm just thinking aloud
Imagine two rockets, one of which is stationary and the other which is moving along at the usual 86.6% the speed of light (because that gives us nice round numbers to work with). If we assume that rocket A is stationary and rocket B is moving, then the clocks in rocket B will be running at half the rate of the clocks in rocket A. These clocks could be connected up to radio transmitters to send out a beep for each tick. When the crew of rocket A listen to the beeps coming from rocket B, they may hear the beeps comming in at one beep every two seconds. When the crew of rocket B listen to the beeps coming from rocket A though, they too will hear one beep every two seconds. You can see that twice as many ticks reach the stationary rocket as the moving one in a given length of time, but you have to remember that time is running at half the normal rate in the moving rocket, so those ticks will be perceived as arriving there at exactly the same rate as in the stationary rocket. Of course, if the moving rocket is travelling in the opposite direction and towards the stationary one, then the ticks arrive at both rockets at a much faster rate, as you can see below, but again when you allow for the slowed time in the moving ship, the perceived tick rates received by each ship are identical,
The contradictions in the accounts of events from different frames of reference are still important though, for they demonstrate that not all the accounts of events can be true. There is only one frame of reference which can be tied to the fabric of space, so its accounts are the ones which are true while all the other accounts are false.
Your spade deteriorates more because it moves, and inversely, the twin deteriorates less also because it moves, so the comparison doesn't seem to hold.
If dilation has no use for particles, then why would it have any for us? The Muon experiment is certainly not a use. The GPS would be a use if we could attribute the dilation to motion, but gravitation is on the way.
With your simulation, light would travel more distance between my two atoms in motion, so if it would become less intense because of that, then the bonding between the atoms would be affected, but your box mind experiment shows that there would be no way for us to detect that difference, so how could the atoms do so?
I still think that if constant motion is really affecting emitted frequencies, in such a way that we can detect them, then that information has to be useful to something else than humans, and I can't see anything else than gravitation as a target.